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is Eddie Jones the outstanding candidate for Lions Coach?

  • 12-06-2016 11:02pm
    #1
    Richard Hillman
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    Grand Slam in his first season.
    7 wins in 7 as England coach.
    Turned underachievers into champions.
    Coach of only England's 4th win over Australia in Australia.
    Coach behind the greatest Rugby upset of all time.
    Not Warren Gatland, a kiwi, or any indigenous New Zealand fruit.

    Clearly the next Lions Coach.


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  • #2
    irishbucsfan
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    How exactly would England feel about their new head coach being pulled away and unavailable to coach their team over the autumn and in only his 2nd 6 Nations? Can't see it happening.


  • #3
    Richard Hillman
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    How exactly would England feel about their new head coach being pulled away and unavailable to coach their team over the autumn and in only his 2nd 6 Nations? Can't see it happening.

    Proud to be Lions.


  • #4
    Podge_irl
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    Unless it was written into his contract, there is zero chance of the RFU releasing him to the Lions at this point.


  • #5
    bilston
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    He would probably be a great option, however England will not allow it. Not a chance.

    It will be either Gatty or Joe. My money is on Joe if the rumours about him stepping down are true.


  • #6
    Podge_irl
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    bilston wrote: »
    He would probably be a great option, however England will not allow it. Not a chance.

    It will be either Gatty or Joe. My money is on Joe if the rumours about him stepping down are true.

    I think the IRFU would be bonkers to release Joe to the Lions as well. Why would they?

    It's probably in Gatland's contract and he'll remain the favourite partly for that reason.


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  • #7
    bilston
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    bilston wrote: »
    He would probably be a great option, however England will not allow it. Not a chance.

    It will be either Gatty or Joe. My money is on Joe if the rumours about him stepping down are true.

    I think the IRFU would be bonkers to release Joe to the Lions as well. Why would they?

    It's probably in Gatland's contract and he'll remain the favourite partly for that reason.

    They might let him go early if he confirms he is gone next year anyway. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.


  • #8
    Podge_irl
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    bilston wrote: »
    They might let him go early if he confirms he is gone next year anyway. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.

    Nucifora is on record as saying they'd let him leave to coach the Lions if he signed an extension but otherwise no. Now, I'm not sure how serious he was, but to be perfectly honest I see no reason why they should let him out a year early unless it is to return home for personal reasons. If he was to stay up here and coach the Lions I would be pretty unhappy with the outcome.


  • #9
    awec
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    It'll be Gatland.


  • #10
    [Deleted User]
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    awec wrote: »
    It'll be Gatland.

    Least likable coach in existence


  • #11
    kilns
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    The Lions were not very likeable with Gatland but with Eddie Jones as coach it would be unbearable

    It all depends on the politics and who is on the committee, if its Joe or Gatland my money will be on Gatland


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  • #12
    Shefwedfan
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    When Eddie Jones was hired he said he would not be Lions coach. See below for recent interview where he said he wouldn't be

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2016/03/18/eddie-jones-rules-himself-out-of-lions-job/

    Unless Joe renews contract he will not be coach, it is written into current contract he cannot do the Lions

    So it will be Gatland


  • #13
    stephen_n
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    Why wouldn't Cotter be considered?


  • #14
    tgdaly
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    stephen_n wrote: »
    Why wouldn't Cotter be considered?

    I suppose the issue there is that, although Scotland have certainly improved immensely under him, it would be hard to justify hiring a coach who hasn't had a winning record since he took over that job in 2014 (46% win record, no wins against Ireland, Wales or England in 7 matches in that time either)


  • #15
    nehe milner skudder
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    jones deserves it.


  • #16
    thomond2006
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    Jones is pretty insufferable. No thanks. I don't think it will happen anyway, maybe best to get someone not involved in the international sides.


  • #17
    former total
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    Jones is six months into the England job. He is not a candidate.

    It is between Schmidt and Gatland and I'd be 95% sure it will be Gatland.


  • #18
    thomond2006
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    ROG to go as an assistant? (Provided he's not needed by Racing)


  • #19
    Podge_irl
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    ROG to go as an assistant? (Provided he's not needed by Racing)

    Seriously? Not a chance I would assume.

    (this may have been a joke, I'm not super sure)


  • #20
    Teferi
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    ROG to go as an assistant? (Provided he's not needed by Racing)

    The issue with this is that the Top 14 season starts in September and finishes in August so he'll need to be around for all matches.


  • #21
    thomond2006
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Seriously? Not a chance I would assume.

    (this may have been a joke, I'm not super sure)

    No, not joking! He's done a good job at Racing, why not?


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  • #22
    Buer
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    No, not joking! He's done a good job at Racing, why not?

    It's not realistic. He has no working experience with any of the likely players aside from Sexton.

    Also, his CV really isn't strong enough. If you go back through the previous coaching teams, those involved have all had international experience or, at the least, were successful head coaches in their own right at club level.


  • #23
    jm08
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    Buer wrote: »
    It's not realistic. He has no working experience with any of the likely players aside from Sexton.

    I don't see how that could be a problem. Andy Farrell had no experience of working with most the Lions last time.

    As for Jones and Schmidt - isn't there some sort of a rule that before you can be head coach, you need to have been on the Lions as a player or assistant coach.


  • #24
    Buer
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    jm08 wrote: »
    I don't see how that could be a problem. Andy Farrell had no experience of working with most the Lions last time.

    As for Jones and Schmidt - isn't there some sort of a rule that before you can be head coach, you need to have been on the Lions as a player or assistant coach.

    Andy Farrell had 2 seasons as England's defensive coach where he worked with a number of the players. He was a proven international coach following a successful stint as a club coach.

    No, there's no such rule. Graham Henry was head coach with no prior experience of the Lions.


  • #25
    awec
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    It'll be Gatland by default.


  • #26
    former total
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    Buer wrote: »
    Andy Farrell had 2 seasons as England's defensive coach where he worked with a number of the players. He was a proven international coach following a successful stint as a club coach.

    No, there's no such rule. Graham Henry was head coach with no prior experience of the Lions.

    Neither did Clive Woodward.


  • #27
    irishbucsfan
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    former total wrote: »
    Neither did Clive Woodward.

    Clive Woodward played for the Lions!

    Edit: And it's SIR Clive Woodward to you!


  • #28
    Podge_irl
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    ROG has done a very good job but having no international coaching experience and coaching outside of the Lions countries basically completely rules him out of the running I would think.


  • #29
    Buer
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    ROG has done a very good job but having no international coaching experience and coaching outside of the Lions countries basically completely rules him out of the running I would think.

    It's about as likely as Mike Prendergast (who has done a great job) getting the call.


  • #30
    jm08
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    Buer wrote: »
    Andy Farrell had 2 seasons as England's defensive coach where he worked with a number of the players. He was a proven international coach following a successful stint as a club coach.

    No, there's no such rule. Graham Henry was head coach with no prior experience of the Lions.

    It was because of Henry not having had any previous Lions experience that they decided that the head coach needed either to have toured with the Lions as a player or at least been on a tour as an assistant coach. Henry, it seemed just didn't 'get' the Lions.


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  • #31
    jm08
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    Buer wrote: »
    It's about as likely as Mike Prendergast (who has done a great job) getting the call.

    Mike Prendergast doesn't have 3 Lions Tours and over 100 international caps under his belt!


  • #32
    WarZ
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    Another undeserved Lions tour for ROG? Nah :)


  • #33
    jm08
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    WarZ wrote: »
    Another undeserved Lions tour for ROG? Nah :)

    Graham Henry
    Clive Woodward
    Ian McGeehan

    :)


  • #34
    whatawaster
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    Would love a left-field choice like Gregor Townsend

    Anyone but Gatland please.


  • #35
    tgdaly
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    whatawaster wrote: »
    Would love a left-field choice like Gregor Townsend

    Anyone but Gatland please.

    If it was left field Mark McCall would be a great shout after the year Saracens just had

    It is surely a 3 horse though between Gatland, Jones and Schmidt


  • #36
    Dog Botherer
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    I'd be stunned if it isn't Gatland.

    Eddie and Joe are too smart to take on what will 100% be a series whitewash in NZ.


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  • #37
    LorMal
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    Isn't this Lions thing a bit of overblown nonsense at this stage? I fully understand why it was popular in the amateur era when the world was larger and these long trips were holidays of a lifetime for the players.
    We are already playing Southern Hemisphere teams on an annual basis in the AIs.
    Anyway, there is no equivalent Southern Hemisphere super team - it's all a bit forced and cosmetic - money rules.


  • #38
    Kobe248
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    It will be Gatland

    If he performs the miracle and wins

    Surely he will get the NZ job


  • #39
    Buer
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    Kobe248 wrote:
    Surely he will get the NZ job

    The NZRU won't hire a coach who isn't coming from within their own union.

    It will be one of the current assistants or possibly one of the Super Rugby coaches.

    Winning a Lions test series down there isn't going to change that. Gatland couldn't even get a Super Rugby position last time he went home despite being a HEC winner and having coached Ireland.


  • #40
    Donnielighto
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    Pat Lam!


  • #41
    Rightwing
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    Jones is without doubt the best for it, but he is on record saying he doesn't want it.


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  • #42
    awec
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    Kobe248 wrote: »
    It will be Gatland

    If he performs the miracle and wins

    Surely he will get the NZ job

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  • #43
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Isn't this Lions thing a bit of overblown nonsense at this stage? I fully understand why it was popular in the amateur era when the world was larger and these long trips were holidays of a lifetime for the players.
    We are already playing Southern Hemisphere teams on an annual basis in the AIs.
    Anyway, there is no equivalent Southern Hemisphere super team - it's all a bit forced and cosmetic - money rules.

    Its a bit of fun


  • #44
    LorMal
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its a bit of fun

    You're right - sorry - just feel it gets hyped out of all proportion (particularly by Sky)


  • #45
    Clegg
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    Jones again saying he doesn't want the Lions gig.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/19/eddie-jones-rules-out-coaching-lions-2017-no1-england

    It's going to be Gatland I think.


  • #46
    tgdaly
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    LorMal wrote: »
    Isn't this Lions thing a bit of overblown nonsense at this stage? I fully understand why it was popular in the amateur era when the world was larger and these long trips were holidays of a lifetime for the players.
    We are already playing Southern Hemisphere teams on an annual basis in the AIs.
    Anyway, there is no equivalent Southern Hemisphere super team - it's all a bit forced and cosmetic - money rules.

    I suppose it helps break up the four year cycle between world cups as well. I get your points though, I'd be very surprised if many outside of the Lions countries and the hosts would be following it with that much interest.


  • #47
    Dave_The_Sheep
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    ... And if he was...

    Eddie Jones: Dylan Hartley 'great candidate' as 2017 Lions captain


    Please, no.


  • #48
    wp_rathead
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    I'd love someone like Itoje for the Lions Captaincy


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