Angel dust

orm0nd · 12-06-2016 10:33PM

greysides wrote:

In the past it was distributed by people with links to the IRA as a means of revenue generation. A nice story about it is the one of the farmer using it after it was banned, acquired from an IRA source, that found it was only milk replacer he had been using. I bet the customer complaints division didn't entertain his disgruntlement!

A not so nice story of a guy that didn't clear his account with these individuals, who was subsequently knee capped, and he bleed to death.

greysides · 12-06-2016 10:38PM

orm0nd wrote: »

A not so nice story of a guy that didn't clear his account with these individuals, who was subsequently knee capped, and he bleed to death.

Mid-Tipp? If so, I am familiar with the event.

_Brian · 12-06-2016 10:39PM

orm0nd wrote: »

A not so nice story of a guy that didn't clear his account with these individuals, who was subsequently knee capped, and he bleed to death.

That's what happens when ya play with the big boys.

laoch na mona · 12-06-2016 10:57PM

when I heard angel dust I thought it was this first
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine

orm0nd · 13-06-2016 09:08AM

greysides wrote: »

Mid-Tipp? If so, I am familiar with the event.

yep

_Brian · 13-06-2016 10:10AM

How does growth on Angel Dust compare to the old bullet behind the ear that was being used in the 70's, I remember we were using that back then and my god the growth rates were amazing, cattle were wild though.

longgonesilver · 13-06-2016 01:07PM

This is coming up on the bottom of Agriland as suggested reading.

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/drug-cheat-blames-angel-dust-in-irish-meat-for-failed-test/

Some defence. Maybe we should sue....

bullnuts · 13-06-2016 01:58PM

_Brian wrote: »

How does growth on Angel Dust compare to the old bullet behind the ear that was being used in the 70's, I remember we were using that back then and my god the growth rates were amazing, cattle were wild though.

What was that old bullet behind the ear?

Englebert Humperdink · 13-06-2016 02:14PM

In fairness it wouldn't be proper jiggery-pokery in the beef industry if Larry Maith An Fear wasn't tangled up in it somewhere

Nekarsulm · 13-06-2016 02:18PM

bullnuts wrote: »

What was that old bullet behind the ear?

Ralgro and Finiplex, usually. Made some job of a Friesian......

bullnuts · 13-06-2016 02:23PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Ralgro and Finiplex, usually. Made some job of a Friesian......

Banned now I presume ? Steroid?

Nekarsulm · 13-06-2016 02:28PM

bullnuts wrote: »

Banned now I presume ? Steroid?

Banned nearly thirty years at this stage.
Although I remember going on a Macra tour to Belgium several years after growth promoters were banned in Ireland. We attended the cattle market in the Brussels suburbs, and a beef factory, and every animal there was still getting hormones. In the shadow of the Berlymont.

whelan2 · 13-06-2016 02:29PM

How long after they got the angel dust would it still turn up in the meat?

Nekarsulm · 13-06-2016 02:30PM

I think they test the retina of the eye, seemingly it never leaves.

_Brian · 13-06-2016 02:56PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Ralgro and Finiplex, usually. Made some job of a Friesian......

Yea, I remember a lad coming and giving it to Friesans here, was some stuff.

longgonesilver · 13-06-2016 04:24PM

And for the general public reading this was perfectly legal at the time.

Nekarsulm · 13-06-2016 05:31PM

longgonesilver wrote: »

And for the general public reading this was perfectly legal at the time.

And still is in the USA and South America.
Which raises some serious concerns regarding TTIP trade talks.

greysides · 13-06-2016 05:55PM

The problem with the use of growth promoters was the lack of adherence to withdrawal times. There was evidence published at the time that compared to meat from animals where the times were observed, there was more hormone in female cattle slaughtered while bulling, cabbage, eggs... etc.

J.O. Farmer · 13-06-2016 05:59PM

bullnuts wrote: »

Banned now I presume ? Steroid?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aatlliinymw

yosemitesam1 · 13-06-2016 07:36PM

Is it random testing that showed this up or are all animals tested?

whelan2 · 13-06-2016 07:39PM

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Is it random testing that showed this up or are all animals tested?

from the link in the op, it was picked up on random testing.

Bullocks · 13-06-2016 08:25PM

I don't think LG would have anything to do with angel dust , why would he and us throwing as much beef at him as he wants without ever having to break rules ? By God he will knock great spin out of it for himself though and it won't slow him down an ounce .
As someone said its always up that neck of the wood something like this happens , I could be way out but would love to know is there any connection between this and the fella charged with stealing the cattle ?

barnaman · 13-06-2016 08:36PM

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/illegal-abattoir-linked-to-provo-fuel-smugglers-30096674.html

Without commenting on cases before courts; there is a common thread from the Angel Dust years ago upto today.

Water John · 13-06-2016 09:04PM

Angel dust travelled countrywide. Some merchants used other products as loss leaders and made the big margin on the dust. Dangerous stuff, a few lives lost.

I think if my memory is right, the meat is darker.
Angel dust was the purpose of the original special unit in the Dept of Ag.

Bullocks · 13-06-2016 09:09PM

Water John wrote: »

Angel dust travelled countrywide. Some merchants used other products as loss leaders and made the big margin on the dust. Dangerous stuff, a few lives lost.

I think if my memory is right, the meat is darker.
Angel dust was the purpose of the original special unit in the Dept of Ag.

How were the lives lost with it ?

Water John · 13-06-2016 09:15PM

As Greysides said, dangerous in powder form. Easily inhaled and overdosing yourself it seems.
But if you want your Fr bullocks to look like Ben Johnson, no better stuff.

Mac Taylor · 13-06-2016 09:32PM

Water John wrote: »

As Greysides said, dangerous in powder form. Easily inhaled and overdosing yourself it seems.
But if you want your Fr bullocks to look like Ben Johnson, no better stuff.

Very true but you need to be of a certain vintage to know who Ben Johnson is:D

Water John · 13-06-2016 10:03PM

Sorry, not good a putting up a pic.

Base price · 14-06-2016 12:29AM

_Brian wrote: »

How does growth on Angel Dust compare to the old bullet behind the ear that was being used in the 70's, I remember we were using that back then and my god the growth rates were amazing, cattle were wild though.

Ralgo and Finaplix and no problem holding the ear, pointing the needle into the spot and pulling the trigger.
We never had a problem with wild cattle but I did have a personal problem (miscarriage) due to seepage of Ralgo hormone.
Edit - For some mad reason I kept one of the Ralgo cartridges (round plastic cartridges) in the pocket of my fleece for several weeks because there was 4 or 5 shots still left in it. At that time my Obstetrician reckoned that the hormones seeped into my bloodstream and probably caused the miscarriage.

greysides · 14-06-2016 01:07AM

Sorry to hear that BP.

Angel dust

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