Angel dust

Buford T. Justice XIX

A sample of meat has been found with Angel Dust:mad:

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/investigation-launched-as-angel-dust-found-in-beef/

_Brian

Heard that in the news, such a selfish thing to do considering how much beef we export.

jimini0

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

A sample of meat has been found with Angel Dust:mad:

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/investigation-launched-as-angel-dust-found-in-beef/

Is this an isolated case of one farmer chancing his arm or is there more to come?

Waffletraktor

Surely with tracebillity the farmer is in the poo and will be severely reprimanded?

jimini0

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Surely with tracebillity the farmer is in the poo and will be severely reprimanded?

Ya a slap on the wrists. And told not to do it again

whelan2

Where would you get angel dust?

charolais0153

They seized some on his farm asweell I think

Buford T. Justice XIX

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Surely with tracebillity the farmer is in the poo and will be severely reprimanded?

There was a large quantity of it found found apparently.

That would suggest it isn't an isolated case as you can't buy clenbuterol off the shelf, it has to be illegally smuggled in so I imagine there would be a few customers to justify the risk of smuggling it in.

mahoney_j

Always a few greedy smart arses out there who could screw up an industry

Waffletraktor

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

There was a large quantity of it found found apparently.

That would suggest it isn't an isolated case as you can't buy clenbuterol off the shelf, it has to be illegally smuggled in so I imagine there would be a few customers to justify the risk of smuggling it in.

What would be expected, excluded from bps, very regular supprise inspections etc?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Waffletraktor wrote: »

What would be expected, excluded from bps, very regular supprise inspections etc?

All animals tested and any found with it will be destroyed, I imagine.

And that could be a large proportion of his herd.

And regular calls from the Dept inspection teams, a few every year for a good number of years.

Court case with possible (probable?) jail time and a fine.

Edit: And they will probably check carcasses of any animals of his in storage as well to make sure as much contaminated meat as possible removed from sale.

tractorporn

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

A sample of meat has been found with Angel Dust

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorists but when I heard Larry's name mentioned I smell something fishy.

I'm not saying that the guy in Monaghan wasn't caught offside but something just feels off about it.

whelan2

tractorporn wrote: »

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorists but when I heard Larry's name mentioned I smell something fishy.

I'm not saying that the guy in Monaghan wasn't caught offside but something just feels off about it.

was the same when the bse case came out a few years ago blame larry, now I know the man is no angel but ffs

bullnuts

whelan2 wrote: »

Where would you get angel dust?

Keep an eye for his court case ! His name and address will be published! They found more of it on his farm so he may be all out of it but he should be able to point you in that direction

whelan2

bullnuts wrote: »

Keep an eye for his court case ! His name and address will be published! They found more of it on his farm so he may be all out of it but he should be able to point you in that direction

:cool: My question was if it is illegal how did he come to get it, I assume its illegal in the uk too, so were would it have come from?

greysides

tractorporn wrote: »

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorists but when I heard Larry's name mentioned I smell something fishy.

I'm not saying that the guy in Monaghan wasn't caught offside but something just feels off about it.

I understand where you're coming given the history of LG and his legacy on the Irish beef industry but I think you're off-target there.

As I understand it, he has a large proportion of the beef kill go through his plants so, statistically, it's likely an animal found with residues would have gone through one of his plants.

Also, being so involved in the trade both his management and himself would be well aware of the testing programme that's in place.

Given that this is going to end up going through the courts we need to be careful with what is posted on this thread. People can't be casually libelled and judicial proceedings can't be prejudiced by what is read here.

rangler1

whelan2 wrote: »

:cool: My question was if it is illegal how did he come to get it, I assume its illegal in the uk too, so were would it have come from?

Clenbuterol is a drug for asthma, so there's thousands of tons produced somewhere......only a matter of sneaking it into the country
It's in some of the inhalers

greysides

rangler1 wrote: »

Clenbuterol is a drug for asthma, so there's thousands of tons produced somewhere......only a matter of sneaking it into the country
It's in some of the inhalers

It was also available years ago as a uterine relaxant (to aid with caesarians/calvings- I remember one calving I did that would not have been possible without it)- and it was available as Ventipulmin (a broncho-dilator used in pneumonia).

It has effects on the heart and lungs so is quite dangerous to use in powder form.

In the past it was distributed by people with links to the IRA as a means of revenue generation. A nice story about it is the one of the farmer using it after it was banned, acquired from an IRA source, that found it was only milk replacer he had been using. I bet the customer complaints division didn't entertain his disgruntlement!

Back in the days of ACOT, research was done on it for it's effects in growth promotion and carcase improvement.

50HX

how come it's always in the same part of the country that this sh1t always goes on....

locha

50HX wrote: »

how come it's always in the same part of the country that this sh1t always goes on....

How come Kilkenny win hurling and Kerry football... its in the DNA...

ganmo

I was only having a conversation about angel dust last week!
When was the last lot found?

bogman_bass

tractorporn wrote: »

I'm not usually a conspiracy theorists but when I heard Larry's name mentioned I smell something fishy.

I'm not saying that the guy in Monaghan wasn't caught offside but something just feels off about it.

No fan of the man but I think you are wide of the mark here. He would have nothing to gain and everything to loose

kowtow

rangler1 wrote: »

Clenbuterol is a drug for asthma, ....
It's in some of the inhalers

Why do I have these visions of excellent Lawyers producing a series of 8x10 photos showing hooks with each cow's name on and an inhaler hanging on it...

patsy_mccabe

whelan2 wrote: »

Where would you get angel dust?

You'd be better off stay well clear of it. Not worth the hassle.

mylesm

50HX wrote: »

how come it's always in the same part of the country that this sh1t always goes on....

Think last conviction for Angel dust was in Tipperary

Nekarsulm

About 15 years ago there was a fair sized community of "dusties" in Castlerea prison.
A few large beef farmers in this area suffered heart attacks all around the same time as well. Some died, the survivors never worked manually again.

whelan2

50HX wrote: »

how come it's always in the same part of the country that this sh1t always goes on....

Because we are all a pack of gangsters in these counties :rolleyes:

barnaman

As the song goes "From Carrickmacross to Crossmaglen, you'll get more rogues than honest men..." . The same lads will get you so many vet meds you could sign your name James Herriott.

djmc

It used to be legal here in the eighty's I think
It's still Legal in the US where the EU are entertaining the idea of doing a deal under the TTIP of selling their beef here.
It is OK once the multinationals and politicians make a profit a bit like cigerates .

Miname

barnaman wrote: »

As the song goes "From Carrickmacross to Crossmaglen, you'll get more rogues than honest men..." . The same lads will get you so many vet meds you could sign your name James Herriott.

its easy blame this area, it may be another point to make that it's one of the most policed areas in the country in nearly all regards not just criminal and that it may be just a higher likelihood that they'd be caught. Was it not a lot of big farmers down Galway tip area that was at it last time?

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

Because we are all a pack of gangsters in these counties :rolleyes:

Is that a confession?:D

orm0nd

greysides wrote:

In the past it was distributed by people with links to the IRA as a means of revenue generation. A nice story about it is the one of the farmer using it after it was banned, acquired from an IRA source, that found it was only milk replacer he had been using. I bet the customer complaints division didn't entertain his disgruntlement!

A not so nice story of a guy that didn't clear his account with these individuals, who was subsequently knee capped, and he bleed to death.

greysides

orm0nd wrote: »

A not so nice story of a guy that didn't clear his account with these individuals, who was subsequently knee capped, and he bleed to death.

Mid-Tipp? If so, I am familiar with the event.

_Brian

orm0nd wrote: »

A not so nice story of a guy that didn't clear his account with these individuals, who was subsequently knee capped, and he bleed to death.

That's what happens when ya play with the big boys.

laoch na mona

when I heard angel dust I thought it was this first
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine

orm0nd

greysides wrote: »

Mid-Tipp? If so, I am familiar with the event.

yep

_Brian

How does growth on Angel Dust compare to the old bullet behind the ear that was being used in the 70's, I remember we were using that back then and my god the growth rates were amazing, cattle were wild though.

longgonesilver

This is coming up on the bottom of Agriland as suggested reading.


http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/drug-cheat-blames-angel-dust-in-irish-meat-for-failed-test/

Some defence. Maybe we should sue....

bullnuts

_Brian wrote: »

How does growth on Angel Dust compare to the old bullet behind the ear that was being used in the 70's, I remember we were using that back then and my god the growth rates were amazing, cattle were wild though.

What was that old bullet behind the ear?

Englebert Humperdink

In fairness it wouldn't be proper jiggery-pokery in the beef industry if Larry Maith An Fear wasn't tangled up in it somewhere

Nekarsulm

bullnuts wrote: »

What was that old bullet behind the ear?

Ralgro and Finiplex, usually. Made some job of a Friesian......

bullnuts

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Ralgro and Finiplex, usually. Made some job of a Friesian......

Banned now I presume ? Steroid?

Nekarsulm

bullnuts wrote: »

Banned now I presume ? Steroid?

Banned nearly thirty years at this stage.
Although I remember going on a Macra tour to Belgium several years after growth promoters were banned in Ireland. We attended the cattle market in the Brussels suburbs, and a beef factory, and every animal there was still getting hormones. In the shadow of the Berlymont.

whelan2

How long after they got the angel dust would it still turn up in the meat?

Nekarsulm

I think they test the retina of the eye, seemingly it never leaves.

_Brian

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Ralgro and Finiplex, usually. Made some job of a Friesian......

Yea, I remember a lad coming and giving it to Friesans here, was some stuff.

longgonesilver

And for the general public reading this was perfectly legal at the time.

Nekarsulm

longgonesilver wrote: »

And for the general public reading this was perfectly legal at the time.

And still is in the USA and South America.
Which raises some serious concerns regarding TTIP trade talks.

greysides

The problem with the use of growth promoters was the lack of adherence to withdrawal times. There was evidence published at the time that compared to meat from animals where the times were observed, there was more hormone in female cattle slaughtered while bulling, cabbage, eggs... etc.

J.O. Farmer

bullnuts wrote: »

Banned now I presume ? Steroid?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aatlliinymw

yosemitesam1

Is it random testing that showed this up or are all animals tested?