Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Really?Really? Your a smart person do you actually think that the homophobic rhetoric of the US fundamentalist Christian Right has an influence on the actions of a young Muslim from an Afghani background.

Yes.

Because it provides a beacon of righteousness when it comes to homophobia. Public figures, politicians, respected businesspeople and other influential figures being given substantial airtime to talk about what's wrong with "the gays".

By giving it publiclity you create the impression that it's a reasonable point of view, a valid opinion, and one that should be heard.

If you think that doesn't impact an American person growing up (go away with trying to call him anything but), than that's naive in the extreme.

If people who think the moon landings were fake were given prime time slots on Fox News and getting involved in debates with presidential candidates, a significant number of people will think, "Hey, there must be something to it".
Yet, people with ideas just as off-the-wall and ridiculous (except much more dangerous) are regularly plastered all over the media.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The worst 'crime' one of them committed was to put sugar in my coffee when they know I am diabetic :mad:

Shocking did you request a drone strike .

Funny thing in parts of Muslim counties Afghanistan stands out where homosexuality is acceptable despite claims to the contrary

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

That's certainly a discussion that needs to happen, but I don't really think this thread is an appropriate place for it.

Really?

While people are claiming this attack was all due to Islamic homophobia while denying the very real and politically powerful Christian homophobia that is currently demonising LGBTQI people in the U.S I think it is very much a discussion that needs to take place in this thread.

Too many straight people trying to tell us who we should be afraid of and acting like legal discrimination such as the Bathroom Laws aren't part of a culture of hate that spans religions.

This make me cross.

hidden shallows wrote: »

I've given up expecting anything sane, logical or sensible being done about this issue. There doesn't seem to be any atrocity bad enough to warrant a major over hall of gun-ownership legislation in the US.

Sandy hook was the major watershed moment of the last few years,

What happened absolutely nothing .

Gun companies and retailers made a lot of money whipping up mass hysteria grab your assault rifles and magazines before the ban comes many increased prices and sold out ,
And the ban didn't come

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How wonderful for you.

Now - any chance we could stop talking about you and start talking about religiously inspired homophobia including religions other than Islam?

Well we wouldn't be talking about me if you didn't make it an issue.
It was never about me.

I posted a link yesterday about a topic I did a few days ago, in which I included homophobia in Qatar and how awful that nation is.
You are obsessing with Christianity. No one should be advocating killing anyone else.
Homosexuality should not be illegal in any country, people are on a scale sexually from raving hetero to raving homo, and everyone is somewhere on that scale. So to have homosexuality as something illegal is to make something that is natural is wrong.
I was reading some news about Saudi Arabia where some official was accusing the Internet of turning people gay.
It would be a start if these people learned that sexuality is something one is born with.

This current case in Orlando is to do with a homophobic Islamic extremist, yet you want to concentrate on Christianity. Anyone advocating hate is wrong, but why are you wanting to avoid discussing the perpetrator in the Orlando case and his background?
His father supports the Taliban, the terrorist spoke to work colleagues about his terrorist leanings which concerned them enough to contact the authorities.
The terrorist made contact with a subsequent suicide bomber.
Rang 911 to profess his allegiance to ISIS and his admiration for the Boston Bombers.
But you want to talk about Christianity, I would say yes talk about it till the cows come home but it is like you are trying to avoid the reality of the Orlando massacre which was Islamic terrorism.

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

Do you think this man gave a tiny little **** what the christian church think of homosexuality?

Do you think seeing powerful men at the heart of the political system supporting 'kill the gays' pastors doesn't legitimise hate?

Straight Edge Punk wrote: »

You will need new keys for your keyboard if you keep smashing LGBTQI anymore.

Nope.
I can do that all day.

Can you address my point?

wakka12 wrote: »

I don't think a ban on guns is even remotely possible in the US until the present millennials become the majority of the population, younger people generally seem very anti guns.

Because young people think if it's illegal to break one law, then someone who's breaking other laws will stop short of breaking that one too.

Yeah I'm not sure where they get that line of thought either..

RobertKK wrote: »

Well we wouldn't be talking about me if you didn't make it an issue.
It was never about me.

I posted a link yesterday about a topic I did a few days ago, in which I included homophobia in Qatar and how awful that nation is.
You are obsessing with Christianity. No one should be advocating killing anyone else.
Homosexuality should not be illegal in any country, people are on a scale sexually from raving hetero to raving homo, and everyone is somewhere on that scale. So to have homosexuality as something illegal is to make something that is natural is wrong.
I was reading some news about Saudi Arabia where some official was accusing the Internet of turning people gay.
It would be a start if these people learned that sexuality is something one is born with.

This current case in Orlando is to do with a homophobic Islamic extremist, yet you want to concentrate on Christianity. Anyone advocating hate is wrong, but why are you wanting to avoid discussing the perpetrator in the Orlando case and his background?
His father supports the Taliban, the terrorist spoke to work colleagues about his terrorist leanings which concerned them enough to contact the authorities.
The terrorist made contact with a subsequent suicide bomber.
Rang 911 to profess his allegiance to ISIS and his admiration for the Boston Bombers.
But you want to talk about Christianity, I would say yes talk about it till the cows come home but it is like you are trying to avoid the reality of the Orlando massacre which was Islamic terrorism.

No Robert.

You are obsessed with Islam.

I am saying that religious extremism be it Muslim/Christian/Jewish/Buddhist/Hindu is dangerous.

You can't seem to accept that some members of the Religion of 'Love' want gay people killed just as much as some members of the Religion of 'Peace'.

Perhaps in a year you will change your mind about that too.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

No Robert.

You are obsessed with Islam.

I am saying that religious extremism be it Muslim/Christian/Jewish/Buddhist/Hindu is dangerous.

You can't seem to accept that some members of the Religion of 'Love' want gay people killed just as much as some members of the Religion of 'Peace'.

Perhaps in a year you will change your mind about that too.

But you don't want to discuss Orlando.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It does seem as though this attack was as a result of Islamic homophobia though. That's not an attempt to sweep Christian homophobia under the rug on my part, it's a very real problem.

It seems as if this attack is more closely related to the recent attacks in Europe than it is to Christian homophobia, and it concerns me that people seem to be playing down the connection to Islamic extremism. Is it not possible that this attack was due to both Islamic extremism and homophobia? It doesn't have to exclusively be one or the other.

It could be Islamic homophobia or it could be a homophobe who used Islam as his 'justification'.

Either way -the attack took place in a society that is seeming increasing levels of political homophobia and the attacks cannot be isolated from this.
To keep banging the Islam drum is to divert attention away from the political endorsement of hate and create the false impression that if radicalextremist Islam is 'dealt with' then the Gay Garden is will be rosy.

It won't.

Not until homophobia itself is dealt with - regardless of the 'justification'.

orubiru wrote: »

For many years there has been a lot of supportive attitude and feeling of solidarity within the LGBTQ community. Basically a deep feeling that "an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us". Agreed?

So now the wider community treats this attack in the same way. It's not simply an attack on LGBTQ people, it's an attack on our personal freedoms, our culture, our secular society. It's an attack on western values.

What makes folks think they should have exclusive rights to tragedy or victimhood?

The fact is that "terrorist attack" is all that really matters here. You can split hairs or categorise or whatever you like. This time it was people in the LGBTQ community, next time it could be office workers or children or athletes or Jews or men or women or whoever. It's irrelevant at this point.

Attacks like this are attacks on society as a whole. So there is nothing AT ALL wrong with saying "it was an attack on people having a night out".

It is absolutely not irrelevant that this was an attack on the LGBT community these people were murdered BECAUSE THEY WERE LGBT. How difficult is this for people to understand like???

Bannasidhe wrote: »

It could be Islamic homophobia or it could be a homophobe who used Islam as his 'justification'.

Either way -the attack took place in a society that is seeming increasing levels of political homophobia and the attacks cannot be isolated from this.
To keep banging the Islam drum is to divert attention away from the political endorsement of hate and create the false impression that if radicalextremist Islam is 'dealt with' then the Gay Garden is will be rosy.

It won't.

Not until homophobia itself is dealt with - regardless of the 'justification'.

Are you choosing to avert your eyes from the background of Omar Mateen?