Mass shooting in Orlando Nightclub

my friend wrote: »

Bullšhït

US is very tolerant of lifestyle choices, infact the guys most actually tolerant are live and let live NRA type heads

Your concept of what and how Americans behave is based on nothing other than your preconceived living life as a victim loser attitude

Get out and live

The US congress has repeatedly voted against equality legislation for LGBT people.

RobertKK wrote: »

Looks a more orgnaised plot.

Unless the CNN article has something different the LA Times article stated.

The source said authorities did not know of any connection between the gay nightclub shooting in Orlando, Fla., early Sunday morning and the Santa Monica incident. The investigation has been taken over by the FBI. The source said the man appeared to be white.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Lol. Hardly a large sample size in France was it.

13,000 killed by guns in the states last year and over 400 mass shootings. This indicates a bit of an issue with guns

The point is, tough gun laws wouldn't prevent terrorists getting access to weapons.

It is like thinking the guns used by Irish drug gangs are legally registered weapons.

CSF wrote: »

It is really horrifying to me that people are using this as a vehicle for their anti-Muslim views, yes. There have been countless mass murders over here unfortunately, the vast majority committed by white males who get passed over as lone wolves, despite the fact that these people all have equally messed up world views. On this occasion it wasn't a white male, so it isn't a lone wolf anymore, we're actually going to focus on the person's world view this time, instead of passing it off as mental health issues or something else that doesn't fit the political views of some.

Elliot Rodger, the nutcase who shot people in California a few years ago perpetrated his massacre because he had never been kissed or had sex with a girl and blamed women for it and set out to slaughter as many as he could.

He was not a member of a religious sect made up of frustrated virgins that preaches killing women who refuse to have sexual relations with them that has flown jets into buildings, invaded countries, beheading thousands and perpetrating other acts of genocide.

Omar Mateen was not a lone nut like Roger He was a member of worldwide army of Islamic extremists who among other ultra violent beliefs believe all gays deserve to be killed. This ideology has tens of millions of followers and supporters worldwide and is fighting an aggressive war against the entire world.

That is why Roger's atrocity is isolated while Mateen's is not.

Lyaiera wrote: »

Unless the CNN article has something different the LA Times article stated.

I posted when CNN brought up the story.

So far they are saying unrelated, but we have to see if the story develops to find some sort of connection.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Was that the same crowd that wanted to invoke the blaspheme laws around Charlie hebdo ? And did the same crowd actually attend the not in our name last I heard they did not.

Yes it was some of the members of the Blanchardstown Mosque were beaten up for handing out leaflets promoting the "not in our name" march outside the gates of the Clonskeagh mosque and got beaten up. Only 50 Muslims turned up for the march in the end!

rjpf1980 wrote: »

Elliot Rodger, the nutcase who shot people in California a few years ago perpetrated his massacre because he had never been kissed or had sex with a girl and blamed women for it and set out to slaughter as many as he could.

He was not a member of a religious sect made up of frustrated virgins that preaches killing women who refuse to have sexual relations with them that has flown jets into buildings, invaded countries, beheading thousands and perpetrating other acts of genocide.

Omar Mateen was not a lone nut like Roger He was a member of worldwide army of Islamic extremists who among other ultra violent beliefs believe all gays deserve to be killed. This ideology has tens of millions of followers and supporters worldwide and is fighting an aggressive war against the entire world.

That is why Roger's atrocity is isolated while Mateen's is not.

Elliot Rodger was a walking billboard for the massive male entitlement issue that leads to a very high proportion of sexual attacks. His world view was absolutely representative of a larger number of people. Male on female violence is far more prevalent than islamic violence.

However people don't want to use a problem belonging to a smaller number of people as being representative of white males as large, so they get classified as lone wolves.

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The stony silence from muslims when things like this happen, you could hear a pin drop. Where is the condemnation? Islam shouldn't be tolerated as long as mainstream Muslims tolerate extremism and consent to it with their silence. The lefty nutters are asking us to tolerate something that would turn around and chop their heads off given the first opportunity.

This comment pops up every time something like this happens, and again there is an endless amount of Muslims condemning this all over the world, as they always do.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

And yet arming everyone with guns is the answer yet no one seems to shoot back in most cases. Having a gun and actually drawing down on someone is completely different. So therefore useless in having the legal guns in the first place.

I agree.

I think if I had a gun on me, I would be trying to escape, not draw attention, and to use it would have to be the very last act in a bid for survival.
I would leave the shootouts to the professionals.

Lyaiera wrote: »

So why did you say it looks like an organised plot? So far the only thing we have to go on is what the anonymous official said that it looks unrelated.

Maybe I put 2+2 and got 5.
Maybe in time it will be 4.

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Elliot Rodgers was visiting a psychologist since he was a child and was on more medication than I can remember. "Male entitlement"...please...

Why do we know about Elliot Rodger's mental condition? Because he is a white male so we have to rationalise and humanise the acts of what was very clearly a monster who had put huge amounts of thought into his actions over a prolonged amount of time when he made his videos.

gandalf wrote: »

No but it certainly would make it an awful lot harder for them to get their hands on them. Have they released if these are legally held firearms or not?

One of the weapons was bought in Florida.

Yes it would be harder, but this person worked with a private security company so would have access to weapons.