Maths Paper 2

PHB

Well that went great I thought.

Thanks Kaimera for that tip, much appriciated.

DSMe

ahhhh why didnt i look at it!! I did ****ly enough

Tazzle

Couldn't have asked for better. Went real well.

radiospan

Did anyone note answers for Questions 6 and 7?

Here are some of mine:

Q6 a) i) 20 ii) 6
b) (i) l=-5, m=3
c) i) 121/360 ii) 1/12 iii) 11/12 iv) ?

Q7 a) i) 120 ii) 288
b) i) 35 ii) 35 iii)/iv)?
c) ii) (a-b)/2

Sev

You know what the worst feeling is? Coming out of an exam and realising you forgot to do a bunch of parts to questions that you thought you did.

Stupid paper 2! I fscked up the circle question and Q4c. Q8c was a bit weird, I haven't seen that before. 2,3,5,6 went alright I hope.

DSMe

yeah , i got 1 and 3 totally right .. 6 and 7 got about half right and 5 and 8 got about 1 fifth of them right..ciricle ad line were ok .
At least it wasnt as that bastard paper 1 ... u bastard child of a thousand bitches!!!!!

PHB

I got Q 2,3,6,8 Perfect
Q4 was perfect except the last part of the c part so i figure i lost 10 marks there, maybe 7 if I get an attempt.
Q5 I got everything out but the actual distance cause im a stupid ****er, and didnt realise it was 3D, so thats losing 10 marks again, maybe i'll get 3 marks for an attempt.

So assuming I havn't made any huge mistakes I got 284 out of 300 so im happy
And even if I ****ed it up I've got about 30/50 in Q7 so im good
Combined with my 93% in maths paper 1 and i get 94% so im ecstatic!!


HHAHAHA You guys wont believe this.
On question 5 with the trig picture I did realise it was a 3d picture and didnt realise you just had to use pytagorus, so i took a educated guess of 65, and it was right
So so happy

lordsippa

Dave, I hate you.

I blanked. I took WAY too long on Q1 and then rushed and blanked. Not good at all.

ella minnow pea

yeah didnt do fantastic r owt. coupla bits of c's i couldn't get. o and Q4 part (c)???? what the hell?? dammit it have to do well in all the rest now :mad:

imp

That wasn't too bad at all. I made a couple of mistakes on (c) parts though. So for Paper 2 I'm guessing I'll have a B2 maybe.

Overall I'd say I'll be looking at a C of some sort.

I was hoping for better... but nih...

Now to decide what to do in college!

}:>

Ro: maaan!

It was mostly easy... Mostly.

Probability took about a minute to do!
Question 1 took quite a while though. They trick you into thinking it's easy, but it always takes ages.
Time was the biggest problem. Could have gotten everything with a little more time. Anyone else run out of time?

kaimera

No probs PHB

pity I didn't get it out.

Time management was poor on Paper2

Q1 me no like, 2 and 5 were piss easy.

Made a fair stab at everything else.

paper1 was nicer

radiospan

There were serious complaints about it on Radio 1 just now.

Things along the lines of "the only noise to be heard in exam halls was the sobbing of higher level maths students". :rolleyes:

I didn't think it was as bad as they made it sound, but the c part of Q4 was hard alright.

Q8c was very much like Applied Maths

kaimera

yea, heard that too plazz.

talk about OTT reaction ffs.

QUICK! everybody write to the exam board in Athlone and comlain!
get the questions marked easier :rolleyes:

ffs

PHB

No dont do that
Do it for applied maths after I do bad in that exam

Man U babe

NOBODY is going to do bad in applied maths. Trust me.

I beg to differ *sniff*

ella minnow pea

HAY YOU GUYS!!!!
I heard there was a mistake on the paper in q1 part (b) {like another one that we weren't told about} and in a (c) part of another question

is this true?

if so, whopskidoodles:D

Tazzle

Ya, er my mate said that he heard something about q1 (b) on the news, that we didnt get a correction for it.

Sangre

Well the correction for us was that the three circles were on the same line. but it was kind of obvious from the diagram.

Tazzle

you got corrections? wut level?

Sangre

Higher level, Q1 b) for the circle K question.

Tazzle

i didnt get no bloody corrections, must talk to supervisor tomorrow.

Sangre

If you think it made a diffrence, then you really should.
We had like 3 corrections for Geography, I wonder if they read them out.

There has been a correction in nearly every exam. Is it that hard to proof read something ffs.

PHB

We havn't had a single correction yet
Gona talk to the supervisor tomorrow

Tazzle

I've only got one correction so far, it involved the scribbling out of a the in some question on paper 1, has there been any others on any other papers on any subject?

Sangre

Maths P1 and 2, Irish ordinary, Geography....ok one everyday at least. But geography had some doozies

Tazzle

where abouts are u sangre

Sangre

In my house at my computer.

Tazzle

county, dont be smart it doesnt suit u!

Sangre

Tbh it fits me like a well tailored suit.

....'Why do you dress me in borrowed robes?'










South Dublin.

Tazzle

stop with the macbeth quotes i never want to look at english again.

Tazzle

i'm not a happy camper

ella minnow pea

this correction aint the correction about the circle being on the same line though
ok that word has now lost all meaning

sikes

from the irish times. keep on moaning! That exam went arse ways. Q1 was crap. Q2, Q5, Q6 were al right. Q4 p(c) was gay and Q8 part c was gay

There goes my B

Maths exam confused pupils, claim teachers
Kathryn Holmquist, Education Correspondent



The State Examinations Commission has defended itself against claims that yesterday's Higher Maths Paper II was unfair, as maths teachers reported widespread distress among students who sat the exam.

Teachers have alleged that Question 1 was unnecessarily difficult and confusing, getting students off to "an unfortunate start" and that many students were "agitated" leaving exam halls.

Adding to the confusion was the fact that superintendents were supposed to read out a correction to Question 1 at the beginning of the exam.

The Irish Times has received a report that at one school the superintendent did not read out the correction until 35 minutes into the exam.

There were reports that many students in various schools spent so much time trying to figure out Question 1 that they could not properly complete the rest of the exam.

Question 8 (c), meanwhile, was actually a highly theoretical Applied Maths question that did not belong on a general Higher Maths paper, teachers alleged.

Mr Jim Healy, a teacher at Terenure College in Dublin, said: "This question was not on the course and not in the maths books for those who did not study Applied Maths, and that would be the vast majority." Higher Level Maths is taken by nearly 10,000 students, 17 per cent of the total who sit maths exams. About 1,300 students - just 2 per cent of the total - study Applied Maths.

Dr Aidan Seery, of the Institute of Education, predicted that Question 8 (c) could lead to a higher failure rate this year.

"It depends on how they tweak (the marking)," he said. Students would have been "thrown off" by Question 1, he added.

The chief examiner, who cannot be identified for security reasons, said last night that any student, teacher or parent with a complaint should make it to the commission in writing.

There were reports last night that even students who had done well in their mocks feared they had failed the exam and ruined their chances of university places. The commission moved to offer reassurance, stating: "No students will be disadvantaged by any aspect of the examinations process which is outside of his or her control."

The difficulty of the exam, will not help the reputation of maths, which is becoming so unpopular that less than one in five students take the higher-level exam.

Meanwhile, the commission - which is running the examinations for the first time - confessed last night to an error concerning the Applied Leaving Cert.

Yesterday, the commission prematurely delivered copies of today's Leaving Cert Applied (Office Administration and Customer Care) to eight schools, as well as to The Irish Times.

Students who were meant to be doing Applied Engineering received the Office Administration paper instead.

When the mistake was discovered, the commission faxed copies of the Applied Engineering exam to schools.

Today an alternative version of the Office Administration and Customer Care subject will be taken by 460 students in 36 centres.

Neil3030

Mr Jim Healy, a teacher at Terenure College in Dublin, said: "This question was not on the course and not in the maths books for those who did not study Applied Maths, and that would be the vast majority." Higher Level Maths is taken by nearly 10,000 students, 17 per cent of the total who sit maths exams. About 1,300 students - just 2 per cent of the total - study Applied Maths.

Page 177 of Texts and Tests 5 has a question almost identical to the one that came up yesterday. Sure am glad I opted out of going to Terenure. Teachers don't even know what's in their books!

All in all a pretty good paper I thought. Fair enough, I failed question 1 miserably but I aced question 4, 6 and 8, got all of 3 bar that stupid angle between the line and K (forgot the poxy formula!!!!) and I blanked on the proof in 5 part (c).

All in all, confident of a B1 - A2 and who knows, what with all this bitching, I might end up getting some sympathy marks for question 1!!!

Roll on Accountancy on thursday!!!

sionnach

did ne1 get an answer of 8 minutes for question 8[c]? thats what i got, a confirmation of this answer would put my mind a lot more at ease............it was a bit different from all the other minimum turning point questions i did but i think i might have done it the right way, expressing the distance using pythagoras, ie distance = square root of (4km-(x/10)km)squared + (x/5km)squared..................then differentiate ur distance and let it equal 0

wiensta

jeez lads the situaltion was totally different in my school.. everyone thought the paper was a total bioch.. girls outside crying etc..

Good thing i did pass!

Tazzle

Our supervisor is writing a letter to the department about q1(b) and not giving us the correction. Think I got i right anyway but it'll be interesting to see how this develops.

PHB

Page 177 of Texts and Tests 5 has a question almost identical to the one that came up yesterday. Sure am glad I opted out of going to Terenure. Teachers don't even know what's in their books!

I was in his class and nearly everyone in the class got out that question so I wouldnt be so sure

I was tlaking to him after and he thought it was doable, and just because its in the books doesnt mean its on the course.
He is the best teacher that I've ever had.

That was an applied maths question, and had applied maths tricks in it too, like changing from hours to minutes.
Johnny Brown didnt cover it either, why you ask? Because it shouldnt have come up.

Anyway what do I care I got it perfectly

Tazzle

I got it perfect too, but guess what i didnt do, convert hours to minutes :rolleyes:

PHB

Why you ask?
I did it because I do applied maths I knew the trick

sionnach

phb u saying that honours maths students arent expected to know how to change hours to minutes?????? I dont really think that knowing an hour contains sixty minutes is something you can only learn from an applied maths book!

PHB

No they should know it, but shouldnt be bloody looking for it.

Maths is about the idea, checking if you understand what th ehell is going on and seeing if you can use maths to work out practical applications of it, like in max/min questions.

You shouldnt be going into a maths exam looking for where the examiner is trying to trick you, it should be a straight foward quesiton with the problem being inside it, not in the reading of it.

Applied maths is full of those tricks and you are meant to look for them, but its not something that should come up in maths.

Phb as a matter of interest did you get 40mins for Q.8 c[iii]?

sionnach

40 minutes is wrong, i think thats teh MAX value, wo chances are u got most of the question right, just took teh max value instead of the min. After 40 minutes the train travelling at 6kmh will have travelled the 4km and the ohter train would be 8km away. I think 8 minutes is right cos i checked the distance between them after 7,8 and 9 minutes. 8 was smaller than both 7 and 9.

Sev

Em, I dunno, I thought question 8 (c) was routine, whether youre doing applied maths or not. It was just like the rest of them.. find a link, get the entire equation in terms of 'x', then dy/dx it.

The answer was 8 minutes. Coverting hours to minutes? Dunno how you can really consider that a trick.

sionnach

wrote a quick computer program to make extra sure its 8 minutes, the computer agrees wit me, here are the distances between the two trains for the first 14 minutes:

1. 3.90512
2. 3.82099
2. 3.74833
4. 3.68782
5. 3.64005
6. 3.60555
7. 3.58469
8. 3.57771 << lowest at 8 minutes
9. 3.58469
10. 3.60555
11. 3.64006
12. 3.68782
13. 3.74833
14. 3.82099

Sev

Although I would agree with PHB, that Jim Healy is indeed probably the best teacher I've ever had.

ella minnow pea

Originally posted by sionnach
wrote a quick computer program

My. God.