Originally posted by bluedaemon Count Dooku beat Yoda.
Originally posted by bluedaemon
Qui-Gon was beaten by Darth Maul who was beaten by Obi-Wan who taught Anakain/Darth Vader and was taught by Yoda (among others).
Luke beat Anakain/Darth Vader.
Mace Windu just sucked.
Originally posted by bluedaemon
Dooku had the advantage of the dark side over Yoda. Yoda couldn't beat him.
Yes, Dooku was unfair to force Yoda to protect Anakain and Obi-Wan but hey he's evil! He is always going to use the dark side in some way. The Best Swordsman is simply the one who can win the sword-fight not the one who is 'good'.
Originally posted by ][cEMAN** No he didn't, he distracted Yoda by bringing down the structure to crush anakin and obi-wan, so Yoda had to let him go. Infact he RAN away!!
Originally posted by ][cEMAN** YODA>MACE>OBI>MAUL>QUI
Originally posted by ][cEMAN** Stand up I can't hear you - you're talking out of your arse! heheehe. Yoda couldn't beat him because he used the force? Yet you say the best swordsman isn't depenant on the force? Well which is it? And Dooku used the force against Yoda. He lost, it was when he used a distraction which wasn't anything to do with him at all.
Originally posted by User45701 If so why did yoda hide in fear of the power that Vader and Emperor held?
Originally posted by User45701 I know the plot for episode 3 i thought you would all know it aswell?
Originally posted by User45701 i speak the truth
Originally posted by Vader QuiGon was also sh1t. Did you see the sweat pour off him after his first (short) encounter with Maul? When Maul had him in a one on one he didn’t last long at all. He was not considered one of the best fighters alive. He gets the crap jobs and wasn’t on the council, although this in part is due to his arrogance, stupidity and being weak with the force. He was least able to see the future and sense the force although it must be said that at the time the council members were probably bluffing too. My jury’s out on that one.
Originally posted by Vader Mace Windu is considered the fighter on the council (next to yoda) and with good reason. He killed the Fet (SP? The bounty hunters anyway) who bet Obi Wan and some other Jedi
And who Vader puts more faith in (well his clone anyway) than in Sith lords. Mace felt he could take on Dooku, Obi Wan knew he couldn’t. Mace wasn’t arrogant, he thought he could.
Maces fault is that he gets angry. He keeps it under control but its obvious he uses some dark side engery in his battles. The purple lightsaber reflects this. Mace can control this though and it gives him an excellent edge.
Originally posted by Vader Yoda is definitely the quickest and most agile. He defeated Dooku as far as Im concered.
Originally posted by Vader Luke Skywalker. He learned in under a decade what most Jedi/Sith spend their whole lives learning. He was weak with the force, he was by no means wise. He was stubburn . I think he spent about 5 to 10 years learning from Yoda after episode 5. Still it was a lot of self taught stuff he used. He let his hate guide him in the third battle with Vader. The only reason he survived the first two encounters is because Vader couldn’t bring himself to kill his only child.
Originally posted by Vader With the proper training he’d ‘ave gone far but alas he was the last Jedi. I wouldn’t think much of him as a trainer.
Originally posted by Vader Luke was as good as Anikan in ep2 but Luke put in more effort so I wont even give him a raw talent award ( oouuo harsh).
Originally posted by Vader he emperor was stronger with the force than yoda.
Originally posted by TheSonOfBattles Well, as far as I know Qui Gon Jinn was considered one of the Jedi's best fighters in his prime. But he was past his prime, which was prolly part of the reason he was training Obi Wan so hard, he wanted someone competent to come after him. That's why he was sweating so hard, he was good, but age had slowed him down enough that it was a lot of effort to be as good as he used to be. As for why he wasn't on the council, again as far as I know, he was considered for council position, but he DIDN'T WANT it, and his rebellious nature and recklessness put him out of contention, not lack of ability, talent or wisdom.
It's Fett, Jango Fett. Boba Fett is a clone of him that wasn't raised by Kaminoans with accelarated aging.
You may have a point about Mace though, although the purple lightsabre could just be the colour of the crystal he uses to power his lightsabre, one that's slightly differant to most other Jedi's lightsabers. Will have to check up what the differance in crystals is.
Hmm, okay, first of all, between Episode 5 and 6 Luke didn't do any training with Yoda, or anyone for that matter. What he was actually doing was putting together plans to rescue Han along with Leia, Chewie and Lando. He also spent a lot of time training alone on Tatoinne if I recall correctly. Luke spent a total of a few weeks MAX. training with any Jedi Master. A few days with Obi Wan and a few weeks with Yoda, around about the time it took for Han et al to get from Hoth to Bespin.
Also, Luke isn't weak in the force, far from it, he's one of the strongest force users ever, same as Vader coincidentally.
Yes, he was stubborn, but that was the only thing that allowed him to survive as a Jedi. And your right, during the trilogy and for a bit afterwards, he wasn't particulary wise, but he does come more to his own in the books regarding pretty much everything, including wisdom. It's no suprise he's not the best swordsman in the films after all, who trained him? Wait for it...........
....he all but trained himself. He has his own style, and this is one of his advantages.
Um, you've never read any of the expanded universe have you?
how can you say he's not a good trainer? He single handedly trains dozens of the new Jedi who go on to do a lot of good things. So there's a few bad eggs come out of it, a lot more good Jedi come out, so I'd say he's a pretty good trainer meself.
How you can make this comment i'll never know. I don't feel any need to comment on it more than that, as it's obviously complete shite tbh.
Quite prolly, but we'll never know.