May we please.....

Seaneh

I was wondering if you could, please, please, please set up a "Christian" comunity board?
There is a fair few christians who post on the boards and it would be nice if we had a gathering point.


Thanks either way.
Sean.

Repli

OH TESTIFY!

Seaneh

Dude, don't mock. Please.

Seaneh

please?

DeVore

He's right, people shouldnt mock others religious beliefs (on the other hand people shouldn't force their religious beliefs into schools to be taught as curriculum ).

I was thinking about this today, after looking at the "paganism" forum. I dunno, I know we've denied the request before but Gandalf has a point (as well as a very long sig). I'll consult the Great And Almighty Cake and see what its sponge-filled decision on this is.

DeV.

Seaneh

Dev, there is a paganism forum, why not a christianity forum?
c'mon.... it will bring more trafic on here.....

DeVore

You think that traffic motivates us? Thats not our style.

What we concern ourselves with is "what is good for Boards.ie's community". Using logic like "they have one so why not us" ... along with 1 euro 50 cent will get you a hot cup of coffee. And not much more

Its something we'll consider, personally I'm reasonably in favour of it but if it attracts freaks and prosletysing theres going to be one ginormous *crunch* and tears before bedtime.

We didnt build Boards to "spread the word" and dont even give me the "we're not all like that" speech because I know you arent... but I'm not worried about the ones that arent.

My vote would be to try it. Of course, cake doesnt have voting.

DeV.

Seaneh

If you let JustHalf mod it i promise that any muppetry/non-our-forum talking about our faith shall be delt with and reported to higher powers(thats you).


Pwease????

Repli

I thought people who suggested forums weren't allowed mod them OoOo :eek:

Seaneh

shush.....

DeVore

In general they arent.

DeV.

Seaneh

I don;t care who mods the damned thing!!

Carbiens

it would would have to be modded very tightly,

there's a lot of people out there who aint too happy with the whole christian scene (me being one, but i manage to keep most of my views all locked up inside where they do the most good:p )
so this board would be fairly vulnerable to spamming/trolling and other miscillanious forms of muppetry, but if it is kept under control then i see no reason not to have a christian board.

i say give it a trial run and see how it goes.

Seaneh

Thank you.

daveirl

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Gordon

Originally posted by DeVore
I'll consult the Great And Almighty Cake and see what its sponge-filled decision on this is.

Where is this cake that you keep talking of? Is 258 the number of the cake?

Seaneh

huh?
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sceptre

Cautious vote in favour.

Without tight modding it won't work.

(personally as a well known "don't know veering towards no" on the religious front it's not my kind of thing but give it a whirl & see)

(if anyone talks real crap I'll come bouncing in (in a nice way))

Seaneh

Erm.. How about you make it like the CS board was for a while there, like you have to be "granted" the right to post in it, that way we can slap the ban hammer on people who abuse it....

JustHalf

Gordon's a bit funny in the head, and wears a man-skirt sometimes.

Carbine: I'm of the impression that the GLB forum hasn't gone the way many claimed it would. I don't know if this is due to extreme moderating or just not having the "huhu, fags!" type of crap come there in the first place. If Shinji, Swiss and Yellum can succeed, I don't see why this board can't.

Besides, it would be a good place to have discussions that you can't have on any other board; which pretty much require you to be a Christian to have. For example, where on Boards.ie can one discuss the Christian response to sexuality (a much misunderstood topic, particularly with us Christians )?

JustHalf

Originally posted by Gandalf/Sean
Erm.. How about you make it like the CS board was for a while there, like you have to be "granted" the right to post in it, that way we can slap the ban hammer on people who abuse it....

I wouldn't do it that way - best to let anyone post on it. Besides, mods can ban muppets on their board no matter what way it's set up.

yellum

Originally posted by JustHalf
If Shinji, Swiss and Yellum can succeed, I don't see why this board can't.

It wasn't due to our modding. It was sue to the maturity of the posters. Some eejits did post silly things but it wasn't serious.

DeVore

We have to consider something else:

This will set precedent. I mean, one forum (paganism) can be overlooked, two will a trend and *not* granting 3,4 and 5 will be seen as bigotry.
We may well end up with a number of religious forums under Society >> World Religions >> <list>.

That may not be a bad thing (I do like other cultures and religion is part of culture) but its something to consider too.

DeV.

ecksor

Originally posted by DeVore
This will set precedent. I mean, one forum (paganism) can be overlooked, two will a trend and *not* granting 3,4 and 5 will be seen as bigotry.
We may well end up with a number of religious forums under Society >> World Religions >> <list>.

With that in mind ...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89085

sceptre

Hmmm, this request is a little different though - more a community request (hint)

Broad religious discussion still belongs in Humanities until (if) it can support its own board imho.

Think we should defer to the boards gods (pun not too intended) on this one - the possibility of every little sect bounding along looking for equivalency is a consideration.

Doodee

right, I had an arguement with this guy only this morn on IRC.

He may indeed be sincere bout the whole idea, but he doesnt want it to be mixed with other religions.

I was trying to speak to him from the point of view that i had, i made a mistake in requesting the star wars forum, or well, agreeing to it, i thought it would be a whole lot busier, but its not, and really coulda stayed in sci/fi.

I think the best solution, is to leave paganism where it is and incorperate all the religions into one forum, this aint like languages. its religion in general.
this would also mean assigning less mods to look over more forums, and clustering boards. it also means alot less work for yee guys.

I wouldnt mind seeing it work out, I know there has been one or two religious questions on the P.I boards.

Best of Luck

Doodee

Victor

Originally posted by JustHalf
I don't know if this is due to extreme moderating or just not having the "huhu, fags!" type of crap come there in the first place.

I think the problem is they can't find it or if they do, they don't know what it is.

JustHalf

Originally posted by Doodee
He may indeed be sincere bout the whole idea, but he doesnt want it to be mixed with other religions.

...

I think the best solution, is to leave paganism where it is and incorperate all the religions into one forum, this aint like languages. its religion in general.
this would also mean assigning less mods to look over more forums, and clustering boards. it also means alot less work for yee guys.

What's the point in a general "religion" forum anyway? There's already Humanities, which seems to have that covered (quite a few general "religion" posts there... remember DeVore's "God, Science and The Clock" thread there, and how well suited it was for that forum?)

It is a pity that it truly is like languages. Religions differ on so many levels... you can't expect a Buddhist and a Christian to agree on even the very basics of their faith, so how is one expected to have a discussion from the Christian only perspective?

If a Christian were to respond to a request for help with:

Have you prayed to God about it?

or suggest a bible passage on a general religion board, I believe there is a significant chance of inter-belief conflict of opinions. If the person who is actually asking the question is a Christian, this will be entirely useless to them.

Victor

Originally posted by JustHalf
If a Christian were to respond to a request for help with:

or suggest a bible passage on a general religion board, I believe there is a significant chance of inter-belief conflict of opinions. If the person who is actually asking the question is a Christian, this will be entirely useless to them.

In part this is covered by the prosletysing clause, but at the same time I don't think I would be overly offended if someone quoted a piece of Islamic or Buddhist writing to me (assuming it wasn't completely over the top).

Carbiens

Originally posted by JustHalf
Gordon's a bit funny in the head, and wears a man-skirt sometimes.

Carbine: I'm of the impression that the GLB forum hasn't gone the way many claimed it would. I don't know if this is due to extreme moderating or just not having the "huhu, fags!" type of crap come there in the first place. If Shinji, Swiss and Yellum can succeed, I don't see why this board can't.

Besides, it would be a good place to have discussions that you can't have on any other board; which pretty much require you to be a Christian to have. For example, where on Boards.ie can one discuss the Christian response to sexuality (a much misunderstood topic, particularly with us Christians )?

am...i think you missunderstood me JustHalf, i gave this idea a thumbs up, and in i way you kinda agreed with what i said.

btw, the GLB is a perfect example of how this board should be looked after n1

and just for the simple fact that ive only just seen it im going to stick a ninja smiley in here too :ninja: hehe that rocks:p

CuLT

Doodee, I would like to point out that Christianity cover a pretty fecking large propotion of world religions.

I support this board:

A) I enjoy debates and/or arguements on the various aspects of (in my case) Catholicism.

The lack of people who have a faith these days astounds me.

C) It could help people to see if their beliefs are in accordance with Christianity, if they really do have Christian beliefs.

I may have to edit his because I forgot an important point I had from reading the first page...

[edit] I remembered , banning Guest accounts on the forum would be an easier way of moderating it. It would ensure that anyone who just idly wanted to rant would have to go to the trouble of signing up if they wanted to post.

Very few people would put the effort into that if they were just going to be banned.

Boston

Originally posted by DeVore
(on the other hand people shouldn't force their religious beliefs into schools to be taught as curriculum).

DeV.

So says the lord almighty god. Do you even know what your talking about anymore? Religious education is the subject thought now, Catholic education when out the door over 6 years ago,even in most cbs schools. In RE you learn allot of useless ****e, most of which has nothing to do with any religion.

Btw i support this idea, once people with contrasting opinions can express them.

ferdi

i probably wouldnt go to it but i dont see the problem with it. i'm not trying to be a smasrt a$$ but what would u talk about? - bible verses? personal religious revalations? what?

JustHalf

It would probably used for talking about Christian problems, and ideas relevant to Christianity.

There's a whole range of topics which Christians try and find the "Christian response" to. There are things which Christians believe one thing which is completely unsupportable by scripture. Then there are those things which people believe there is a Christian response to, when there isn't one at all (is lasagne the best food, for example).

Then there is the Christian community things. What our churches are up to. And Bible study.

I think the reason you don't know what we'd talk about is that you're not one of us!

PiE

Originally posted by JustHalf
It would probably used for talking about Christian problems, and ideas relevant to Christianity.

But surely the answer/response to every question/problem would be:

Have you prayed to God about it?

Eh... If enough people supported it; fine but I don't think enough have in this thread. Most of the replies have been "I won't use it but let them have it".

Which also happens to be my attitude towards it :]

pickarooney

That would be an ecumenical matter.

Excelsior

I would use it and I think if it is moderated well, it could be a way for alot of the Dublin students who are Christians to communicate to each other about what they are doing on their campuses. This is a service that I have thought would be useful for a long time and it could definitely sustain itself nicely.

yossarin

Originally posted by pickarooney
That would be an ecumenical matter.

yes.

i think that we should give it a whirl. But it'll be contentious as hell (pun intened) + mods will have their work cut out for them. Lots of people have a personal gripe against the irish catholic church in particular so they'll be bringing that to the board.

it might be the start of evil cults using boards to recruit though


/edit: stupid link

Sposs

I think we should all just hug each other even muslims.





wonder was that a politically correct thing to say?

CuLT

Originally posted by yossarin

it might be the start of evil cults using boards to recruit though

*cough* my nick *cough* .

Nah, I reckon this could be well moderated, need a few lads tho...

(My nickname insinuates no connection with any form of cult, the only "cult" that I am a member of is Catholicism)

Hobbes

I don't see a problem with this forum. There should still be the rule of actually having people to post in the forum instead of just asking for the forum for the sake of it.

DeVore

I think we'll probably give it a shot as a community forum. This is one I'm going to talk to the other admins about to see how we feel about it.

Can everyone who WOULD USE the forum make their voice heard here please (JH et al, its ok to herd people to this thread to have them vote if they GENUINELY will use the forum. Remember, lies make baby Jesus cry... sorry, couldnt resist )

DeV.

Shinji

For example, where on Boards.ie can one discuss the Christian response to sexuality

Er, the GLB board?

I'm still not entirely sure what you'd discuss on a Christian board that doesn't belong on Humanities, but I'm certainly not opposed to the idea - as long as it doesn't become the kind of internalised patting each other on the back affair I think some people feared GLB would become.

I'm an athiest personally but I have a fascination with religion and a fairly wide knowledge of the bible, and I'd like to think I could enjoy debates on such a board. Even though I'm going to hell. For too many reasons to list

smiles

Hmm... well when i was directed to the thread i was against it (depsite being a practicing catholic), but... as i read the posts and stuff i kinda realised that _I_ would actually use it, there's some relgious stuff which is very belief orientated which i wouldnt be able to discuss on humanities, i mean i've had hour long discussions with various priests and stuff (due to my family having a long history of working with them), and i think it'd be a great idea.

Thumbs up, but definitely a community, religions in general fall under humanities but specific groups who want to interdiscuss stuff do need someone new.

I mean what does CTYI do that afterhours doesnt? And can you imagine the uproar that would happen if they posted everything they say in After Hours.... /me rofls just thinking of it....

<< Fio >>

JustHalf

Originally posted by DeVore
Can everyone who WOULD USE the forum make their voice heard here please (JH et al, its ok to herd people to this thread to have them vote if they GENUINELY will use the forum. Remember, lies make baby Jesus cry... sorry, couldnt resist )

I would certainly use the forum.

Originally posted by Shinji
I'm still not entirely sure what you'd discuss on a Christian board that doesn't belong on Humanities, but I'm certainly not opposed to the idea - as long as it doesn't become the kind of internalised patting each other on the back affair I think some people feared GLB would become.

I had the same view of the GLB forum, but that panned out. I couldn't see the point, but being outside of that group I didn't understand.

Originally posted by Shinji
I'm an athiest personally but I have a fascination with religion and a fairly wide knowledge of the bible, and I'd like to think I could enjoy debates on such a board. Even though I'm going to hell. For too many reasons to list

I'm sure you'll be welcome. As long as you don't start making arguments along the lines of "There is no God so therefore..." there shouldn't be a problem.

Barry Aldwell

Originally posted by smiles
I mean what does CTYI do that afterhours doesnt? And can you imagine the uproar that would happen if they posted everything they say in After Hours.... /me rofls just thinking of it....

That would be hilarious! You'd have to go through several hundred "WTF?"s to get to the second post in a thread, though.

CuLT

Originally posted by smiles

Thumbs up, but definitely a community, religions in general fall under humanities but specific groups who want to interdiscuss stuff do need someone new.

One word. Paganism.

Plus I would use this board . I think I've made my reasons clear in previous posts.

swiss

I'm afraid I glanced over most of the replies, so forgive me if this has already been suggested.

Why don't you create a "theist" or "religion" board, where people can discuss the impact and ramifications of *all* of the worlds major religions. That way, you don't have to leave yourself open to allegations of bigotry should you decide not to set up a board for every religious belief that prevails on the internet and in real life (tm).

I'm pretty sure religion is of major interest to many people. I am an atheist myself, but I would like to engage in some discussions pertaining to the bible and faith systems in general. Granted, some of my viewpoints would probably be based on what I perceive to be incongruous or hypocritical (in my view) points raised by those belief systems, but I hope that they would be not be considered to be 'flames' or that I do not respect the individual beliefs and faith systems held by other boards members.

I'm pretty sure JustHalf would do well as mod. I don't know enough about Gandalf/Sean to comment, although I'm pretty sure that the whole rule about people who suggest boards not being allowed to mod them was to stop muppets from suggesting boards just to be a mod. This is apparantly not the case here.

JustHalf

The problems with a generalised "Theist" or "Religion" board are few in number but great in importance.

First of all, one such forum already exists. Humanities has received a fair amount of traffic with regards to religion in general. DeVore's uber-rant about The Clock and The Clockmaker fitted very well there. Would not the next such thread fit there too?

Second of all, a general religion forum removes the foundations of certain discussions. Though a Christian, a Muslim, a Jew and an atheist can sit down at a table and discuss faith in the general sense, they cannot discuss their faith for they lack that common ground. It is this that the board should support. There a things that Christians can discuss amongst themselves that other people cannot discuss, in the same way rock-climbers and sewage-workers can discuss things that no-one else can.

Thirdly, there's a lot of Christians out there that don't know how many born-again Christians there are. Gandalf/Sean here thought he was the only one on boards! Knowing you're not the only one can force a wonderful shift in your point of view.

CuLT

You have a way with words JustHalf... got my vote .

Victor

I might use it, but you know I post on a huge number of boards anyway ....