New Championship

Im_not_french

What does everyone think would be the way forward for the Championship cause the whole qualifier thing sucks!!! The evening games are a success to and why dont the GAA take a million euro and develop 5 stadiums across Ireland where these evening games can be played? Its not as if it leaves a hole in the GAA's pocket when they lifted well over a million at the All-Ireland Final alone!

Darkillion

ah, barton. i have no opinin on the matter though

ironbrew

Aha Barton nice to see that youve joined our community!
Darren go and spam somewhere else...lol

Go on Barton tell everyone who your dad is....go on...you know u want 2...ok then i will...im_not_french's dad is Damien Barton!!!!!!

p.s. Derry will need the qualifiers this year as Tyrone will kick Derry's ass in da 1st round!

ironbrew

Shane are you sure that you didnt mean to say the below comment instead of this.......

What does everyone think would be the way forward for the Championship cause the whole qualifier thing sucks!!! The evening games are a success to and why dont the GAA take a million euro and develop 5 stadiums across Ireland where these evening games can be played? Its not as if it leaves a hole in the GAA's pocket when they lifted well over a million at the All-Ireland Final alone!

Ce qui fait chacun pensez serait la manière en avant pour la cause de championnat que la chose entière de qualificateur suce!!! Les jeux de soirée sont un succès à et pourquoi pas la prise de GAA million euro et développer 5 stades à travers l'Irlande où ces jeux de soirée peuvent être joués? Son pas comme si elle laisse un trou dans la poche du GAA quand ils se sont bien soulevés au-dessus de million au seul final de l'Tout-Irlande!

Yavvy

lets try sand keep french to one thread....

Seriously though I think the C'ship is just fine. But evening games would be great.

kingconor

Back door is crap!! I hate it, get rid of it!
Now, evening floodlit games, there's an idea!
This is the best thread we've had for a while, better than any of ironbrews anyway!!!

cournioni

Originally posted by ironbrew
Derry will need the qualifiers this year as Tyrone will kick Derry's ass in da 1st round!

Pity it wont make much difference. Cavan is going to knock you out in the semi-final. Thats just the way...

ironbrew

Pity it wont make much difference. Cavan is going to knock you out in the semi-final. Thats just the way...

suuurree its the way...ah time will tell my friend, time will tell!

This is the best thread we've had for a while, better than any of ironbrews anyway!!!

Why whats wrong wif any of my threads???!?!??!
...do i detect a hint of jealousy that my thread about club websites has 5 stars and yours has only 3 stars!?!?

Darkillion

[controversial comment] without the back door, Tyrone would be in a pickle [/controversial comment]

ironbrew

Are you trying to say that you(plural) are gonna beat us in the first round of the championship!?!?!??!

Im shocked and thought you had more intelligence than that!!

poeticallydead

la vie est belle,

yes i agree with all those comments.....

actually i do agree they should have more stadiums, very good arguments

ironbrew

poeticallydead...you seem to be following me around!!

lmao @ your posts per day!!!

Neil3030

We have 32 teams.

Seed the best 8 on current performance.

Pick 8 groups of 4 out of a hat.

Top 2 from each group go into the last 16 and so forth.

Only fair way to do it imo.

Yavvy

There are 34 Teams actually.

Current form in GAA cournts for feck all as teams perform compleatly different in the leauge than the cup. doing this seeding thing might actually help..

But I like the C'ship the way it is.

Waylander

I think the Championship is set up brilliantly now. It is not every day I try to give some credit to the GAA but they actually did something right here. Traditionally weaker counties are beginning to put some good performances in now, like Sligo and westmeath in particular.

Coillte_Bhoy

There are 34 Teams actually

Kilkenny don't play in the Senior C'ship, so that leaves 33. Anyway if there was to be a league based c'ship i'm sure New York would not be involved and maybe not London either.

Yavvy

Why not ? The all ireland is the All Ireland.

There are 34 teams- any county that doesn not contest does so on a year to year basis. so you have to plan for all 34 tems.

Coillte_Bhoy

Can you see a New York team travelling over 3/4 times during the season???

Yavvy

hence its a bad idea?

And the football c'ship is fine the way it is ?

but yes, yes I could see newyork traveling that many times.

Coillte_Bhoy

hence its a bad idea?

I didn't say that, just think it's unrealistic cos of problems with illegal players, finance etc.

And the football c'ship is fine the way it is ?

God no, it needs a radical overhaul. For a start why not have two divisions of 16 teams and have two seperate c'ships, with promotion and relegation each year.
Each division could be split a number of diff ways to give each team a a minmum of 5/6 games theroughout the summer before the knockout stages were reached. Granted i haven't given this a great deal of thought but the GAA have got to realise the enormous potential that the games have and no matter what they, or team managers say, the NFL is not regarded seriously in it's own right by the vast majority of fans who want to go big games, in modern stadia and in fine weather (OK so we can't blame the GAA for our summers) that mean something.


At least that way the lesser teams have something to aim for.

Yavvy

lesser teams do have something to aim for right now.

Winning the SAM ! aiming for anything less is not in the spirit of the chamionship....jesus this is the Sam mcGuire...Its what all footballers from the age of 10 when they go to bed with their football kit on so they can be ready for the game in the morning aim for. Its what they dream of......

making the Sam into any kind of legue will subtract from its magic
The All Ireland is special for a number of reasons one of the main reasons is because its a Knock out compitition.

Yes I knwo there is a back door but they cant win provincial titles .. which are of huge importance

The All Ireland is fine the way it is.. if lesser counties want to do better I personally belive they must start at school level and really develop their base of palyers. its worked for Cavan, offaly, Tipperary (kinda) and sligo.

Waylander

Also "lesser counties" ( by the way Armagh was probably one of these not so long ago ) can use the league as a springboard towards championship success. While the bigger counties would not play their starting 15 in the league they would still have reasonably strong trams out. If the lesser counties can compete with these teams they are taking the first step.

Amatuer players with full time jobs simply cannot dedicate the time and training commitment that would be required to have a competitive league. If this was introduced instead of the All Ireland then I think the quality of the football played would nose dive. Players are just about managing things when they only have a match every three weeks or so. In the qualifiers you notice that the team who has played the previopus weekend starts off at a distinct disadvavtage because they have not had enough time to recover. A competitive league structureis just not viable to the GAA. And the Clubs would NEVER back it even if it was suggested.

ironbrew

Aw F*ck i love you Alany..he is 100% right.

Hail Alany
Hail Alany

...dont listen to any other crap because at the end of the day...its night! (well really at the end of the day every player is aiming for sam and if the c'ship was to be divided, the "lesser" counties would have their dreams f*cked down the toilet!)

Yavvy

Brew, your scaring me.

but indeed all Hail .

Im_not_french

Winning the SAM ! aiming for anything less is not in the spirit of the chamionship....jesus this is the Sam mcGuire...Its what all footballers from the age of 10 when they go to bed with their football kit on so they can be ready for the game in the morning aim for. Its what they dream of......

making the Sam into any kind of legue will subtract from its magic
The All Ireland is special for a number of reasons one of the main reasons is because its a Knock out compitition.

Yes I knwo there is a back door but they cant win provincial titles .. which are of huge importance

Alanys right about the whole provincial championships meaning something and i agree about the whole thing about Sam but with the whole back door thing teams like Tyrone will go out to play Derry this year thinkin who cares of we get beat we still have the back door system and hence takes away everything from winning the provincial championship and if Tyrone where to somehow go through the backdoor and wthe All-Ireland it won't mean as much cause they have had to be given a second chance to become the 'best team in Ireland'. But the only way i can think of the thing being run is if you change the championship back to the way it used to be with the knockout stages ansd run it out just like the FA Cup and put more emphasis on the league to maybe stretch it out to the beginnign of the championship or run both at the same time?????

Yavvy

MY only responce to that is There is not a county team in Ireland that dont want to win every game in the all ireland... the back door is not for stronger counties to "take it easy" its for weaker counties to have another "day out"

The backdoor system favous the Derrys and the sligos of this world

revelate

yup..damn straight alany!

it's not like the kerrys and meaths of this fair island run onto the pitch hoping to be beaten, just so they can meet a leitrim or clare in an extra game in the qualifiers..they want to win of course and get to their respective provincial finals. however,if they do get beaten, they have a second chance..as do teams like waterford (who have the opportunity of getting their asses kicked twice in the championship instead of the usual once)

Waylander

who have the opportunity of getting their asses kicked twice in the championship instead of the usual once

People would have said the same about Westmeath a couple of seasons ago, till they only lost by a couple of point s in a match mthey brought to a replay. And Sligo beating Kildare etc etc etc

revelate

yeah...thing is there's a big difference between westmeath and waterford..remember we've propped up division 2b for the last 4 or 5 years. last year's 1 point ended a 3 yr losing streak (or something like that). it's like comparing sunderland and spurs.

Waylander

Fair point, but then Waterford are the current Munster Champions in Hurling, albeit for the first time in years. Buit I would guess that there are few clubs in Waterford that play Senior Football, and that the vast majority of the counties resources go into hurling. As I say I do not know this for sure but it is a fairly safe bet, and if this is the case they cannot really expect to do any way well in the football.

kingconor

Originally posted by ironbrew
suuurree its the way...ah time will tell my friend, time will tell!



Why whats wrong wif any of my threads???!?!??!
...do i detect a hint of jealousy that my thread about club websites has 5 stars and yours has only 3 stars!?!?

My all ireland thread had 5 stars, but SOMEONE put it down to 3! I wonder who? :mad:

ironbrew

Originally posted by kingconor
My all ireland thread had 5 stars, but SOMEONE put it down to 3! I wonder who? :mad:

As a guy called Shaggy once said..."wasn't me"

kingconor

Originally posted by Darkillion
[controversial comment] without the back door, Tyrone would be in a pickle [/controversial comment]

Not so, my friend, had it not been for the back door we would have been all ireland champions in 2001!! We would have beaten roscommon, then gone on and beaten meath in the final!!

Waylander

Are all Tyrone people whingers. 1995,2001 how many AllIreland titles should Tyrone have?

kingconor

Lads, you're very naive, its not about giving counties an extra day out, its about money!! The GAA is all about money, its all they want, GAA - Grab All Association!!!
Waylander - We should have 3!!!
1986
1995
2001

kingconor

Lads, you're very naive, its not about giving counties an extra day out, its about money!! The GAA is all about money, its all they want, GAA - Grab All Association!!!

Yavvy

i can promise you No one knows better than dublin GAA clubs what the money grabbing GAA are like. But at the same time their only motovation was not just money..although it was a major one.

So sit back, relax and enjoy the extra day after cavan BEAT YOU GUYS

Waylander

You do know that you have to win the final when you get there don't you. You seem to think that reaching the Semis means you should have won the Sam. If that were the case Dublin and Kerry would have a century of All Ireland titles. Tell you what though if you do actually want to win an All Ireland it better be this year cause Canavan hasn't got much left in him, he could retire at the end of this year.

ironbrew

We don't need Canavan, we ahve got plenty of young youth just waiting to come through...many like wee Brian McGuigan and many big tight ****s like Sean Cavanagh!

Im_not_french

Sean Cavangh is pure class but probably won't get startin for tyrone this year cause he's not experienced enough. Probably watch out for the two McGinley brothers they r pure class and Mickey Anderson. He'll get a strat at somestage surely. Also why r down so crap???! With talent like Mickey Walsh, Liam Doyle and Benny Coulter, martin raferty and stephen kearney to name a few. They should be one of the surprises in this years championship, sorta like the way Sligo and Westmeath have rose up in past years

Yavvy

I see that young lad from croakes will be getting a run out against Kerry this weekend . Been a lot of hype bout this fella.
I wish him and the flying dubs the best !

Im_not_french

Talking about Kerry anyone else think its time for Paudi to move on. I mean a bad start to this year in South Africa and a shakey league campiagn i think they need a 'fresh face' in. Think Mickey Harte is a pack of crap too. He only gets success as he as good players to work with.

kingconor

How can you say mickey harte is a pack of crap? He hasn't had a senior championship game yet! Just give him a chance until you start criticising him, eh?

Im_not_french

I'm only saying dat at Tyrone u-21s it was his squad of players dat brought success and take errigal, the mcginley bros, john devine, canavans were just some of those who won the championship for him and i heard that he had 5 differet trainers in helpin him through last year at errigal

kingconor

All im saying is, give the man a chance, he's had nothing but success, however, i'd like to have seen Brian Mc Ivor get the job!

Im_not_french

This is away from the whole county footall championship stuff but what about the clubs. Clubs are suffering from county players being missing through the championship, their games put off for weeks at a time to compensate for county games and hence players are continually losing the will to compete and win at that level. It's because of this back-door championship that the club situation has got a lot worse. People talk about All-Ireland or provincial leagues for clubs but how would this affect county games and all players alike?

Im_not_french

Brian McIvor!!!!!!!! Thats worse!!!! R u tryin to be smart bout ballinderry winnin the all-ireland after damian left??

kingconor

What are you trying to say??
Speaking of clubs, lets talk about donaghmore, now that they have their new manager, they could be a real force in ulster football! Eh, barton?

ironbrew

lmao you better be joking!!!!!!!

MOORTOWN ALL DA WAY!!
whos over donaghmore this year??lol

its a Tyrone thing

Yavvy

tyrone have lots of small things like that dont they

ironbrew

Hey now Alany no need to be getting all jealous just becuase Tyrone is the Superior County.