Admin is dead, long live Admin.

DeVore

I'm trying something that occured to me the other day. We've changed Admin so that anyone can create a thread but only admins can reply to it.

We've moved the general lounge-chatter stuff here as we still enjoy it but it was beginning to cause problems in that we were missing board-requests and other stuff (the Motorsports board nearly didnt get created as a result!)

So, this is the new "Admin" feedback forum, the Admin forum will become the official response area for the Admins.

DeV.

daveirl

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DeVore

Mostly the boring posts that require the admins attention.
We'll be closing/transferring Bugs/Suggestions I expect.

Its for more specific problems then the general discussion *about* Boards that was being mixed in.

I guess we might even call it Admin/Support

DeV.

daveirl

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ironbrew

Seems like a good idea DeV, but i'm sightly confused in, say if someone were to post a thread in the Admin board asking for some sort of community or private board how could we or where could we endorse it at?

amp

Tis a sad day, had a lot of fun in Admin. But it's for the best.

BioHazRd

Ironbrew,

Taken from http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82722

This forum is for the Admins to respond to specific requests for change to the system. We've created a forum called Feedback which should be the main community dicussion board for discussing the community.

Things that should be posted here are:
1. New boards requests. The admins will respond here then move it to Feedback for community feedback on the idea if it merits it.

Does that answer your question

Bio

Keeks

Originally posted by DeVore
Mostly the boring posts that require the admins attention.
We'll be closing/transferring Bugs/Suggestions I expect.

Its for more specific problems then the general discussion *about* Boards that was being mixed in.

I guess we might even call it Admin/Support

DeV.

To me this looks like ur just renameing the boards. Wasn't the Bugs/suggestions board where all the boards requests and bugs and stuff were to be discussed and the admin board where all the "feedback" was to go on originally.

If ppl would actually post on the right board this problem wouldn't exist. And the reson for that was the Admins rarely ever visited the Bugs board. Well it just looked like that, since there comments are less frequent on it.

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the pursose of this board
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ironbrew

Ahh i get it now!

thanx a million bio.

yellum

Originally posted by Keeks

If ppl would actually post on the right board this problem wouldn't exist.

Sometimes it is easier to change one tech setting than make a whole community change, even if they are actually doing things the wrong way. Sad but true.

DeVore

Hi Y'all.

I guess what we (actually this is mainly my idea so blame me) are doing is merging Bugs and Admin together and Feedback and Suggestions together.

I highly value the community brain power as its often come up with ideas and suggestions that we wouldnt have thought of but it was becoming clear that communication on the Admin forum was being drowned out by a mistaken presumption that the "Moderator" title meant something of authority in the overall Boards system.

We've always said and continue to say that Mods are some of our best posters and shouldnt have to toe a party line simply because they have volunteered to be Mods (they are after all people who have opinions too) but we wanted somewhere where the admins could reply to specific requests for bugs to be fixed, changes to be made and general Q&A and announcements. I think that Feedback / Suggestions is going to be 10 times more active but the Admins will only have to *actively* deal with threads in Admin.

It was getting to the stage that I had to read everything in Admin every day and act on them there and then or the buildup was too much and frequently I'd miss stuff and have to be reminded of it!

So, the rules on Feedback will be the same or more relaxed then the old Admin... allowing for more discussion without interferring with the important business of getting the admins to do what is needed

Wow, I actually sound like I thought this out ...

DeV.

bubbles

Righto.... wow, plently of ammo there DeV, thanks or something.

Lets begin with the good auld "The admins are a bit pissed off with you lot" thread ( http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78900 ) where DeV says

"Admin" is not a chatter zone for the "in" crowd.

To be followed up by

...it was becoming clear that communication on the Admin forum was being drowned out by a mistaken presumption that the "Moderator" title meant something of authority in the overall Boards system.

So this clearly points out that the people you where telling where to

**** up or **** OFF.... yeah?

where indeed the moderators? I'm not digging up this argument again, but what the **** are you on DeVore?

Let me get this right.... so you're saying Mods have **** all to do in the running of boards.ie? You expect everyone to follow the mods charter for their board, accept their decision on what threads where locked or deleted when you say they have a mistaken presumption that mods have authority?

Fine. Maybe you should run along there and unban the people who where banned from the humour board? They did nothing wrong since the charter made by a mod has, in your own words "presumption that the "Moderator" title meant something of authority"

And don't give me this "i meant in the overall boards system" ****e. In case you havn't noticed - boards.ie is made of some little tiny boards, and some bigger boards, which only together make up the "overall boards system" Each is the ruler of their own little section. Like it or not, the Mods do have a say in the overall boards system. Its them who read every post in their section making sure everything is running smoothly. Ok, most of them asked to be Mod, and you gave them the position because you thought they where responcable enough to do it. They are doing you admins a favour, by digging through the **** and cleaning it up. After you give them this abilty, you turn around and smack each of them in the face - *slap* bad little mod, you are nothing, how dare you post comments and sarcastic remarks on admin *smack* bad little mods, know your place

The majority of posters happen to be mods, because they tend to be the people who spend most time making contribution to boards, and you, the admins, gave them the belief that they where actually apriciated. And yes, this would make you think that if you where a mod, that your suggestions and posts are valued somewhat more than some newbie who has 20 posts.

And speaking of newbies, I remember reading somewhere a couple of days ago someone asking a question about features, and even said he wasn't bothered reading the FAQ for the answer (nice chap even admited it). Good man in my opinion. He probably values his time, and doesn't want to dig through loads of **** he isn't interested in just to find the answer to one thing. What do people, including an Admin do? Slam him for asking and not reading the FAQ. Poor chap was mistaken in the belief it would have been quicker simply to ask someone.

DeVore made a comment along the lines "no, instead you waste our time" How many times have you asked a question in IRC, about something, lets say a quake console command for example in IRC, when the answer was in the readme or online quake quides? Why can't this person not ask a question to get an answer quickly from someone who already knows the answer and you can?

This is excatly the type of **** I do be moaning about. The way newbies are treated by the admins and by Mods. How dare someone not know something! Its like when someone makes a suggestion for something, a rating system for example. All the get is a rude ""its there if you looked you stupid ****er""

And i do know what I'm talking about. You people know my habbit for having a few accounts, and the way I am treated when posting under these accounts which would of course have newbie status for a while is amazing. You mods(not all mods) and admins fail to forget sometimes that you where new once too, and because you are so familier with everything, and with the people everything seems easy and straight forward to you.
The majority of boards.ie is bascially a hanging out place for, as Dev puts it the 'in" crowd - why? Because your own heads have been lodged up your own arses over the years while you where licking your assholes over the years.

The Admins have created boards, you have also created most of the problems(these things happen, noone is perfect - but don't accuse and belittle other people because of them. Like Keeks comments above, the admins caused the admin board to be what it was, and their responce is to tell people to "**** up" and tell everyone who is a mod, in the eyes of admins are absolutly nothing. The amount of double standards around here is amazing.

Bard

Christ.... :eek:

well...

said...

Bubbles!

Mercury_Tilt

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Dustaz

The admin lock is annoying. Theres a thread up there referring to CGI:IRC which begs some questions, but we cant ask them because of the forum lock. Sure, we could open a thread here to mirror it but err, thats just complicated.

Admin was getting REALLY annoying imo, way way way too much noise but and im being completely blunt here, this should not happen on ANY boards. The mods would/should warn, lock and ban if needs be to keep it under control.

The recycle bin is there if people want to chatter and pretend its irc.

Slydice

Well Said Bubbles!

ecksor

Originally posted by Dustaz

Theres a thread up there referring to CGI:IRC which begs some questions, but we cant ask them because of the forum lock.

Well, CGI::IRC can't really go on any of the boards servers to allow access to irc and won't be going on any of the boards servers and that's final, as regi has said, so further questions about it are basically irrelevant on the admin forum.



There are lots of tech forums to ask such questions on though, whether your question was about performance, or about the kline that regi mentioned (in which case you'd probably be pointed to the quakenet faq, particularly this bit -> http://www.quakenet.org/faq/faq.php?c=128&f=127 )

I know that's unfriendly, but in the interests of noise reduction it does make sense!

amp

Bubbles, voice of the newb, defender of democracy on boards.ie, battles the evil "in-crowd" in the name of justice, truth and love.

Will his heroic efforts be in vain? Can he really fight against the natural urge for humans to form "in-crowds". For strangers to be treated differently to people they've actually met, or know?

Tune in next week.
Same boards user.
Same boards channel.
Same fight the power rant...

amp: who's going to write a US Teen movie (you know the type; nerdy loser fights in-crowd jocks using brain, to get chick) about this.

Typedef

Yeah but, I just don't fancy Dawson, it's nothing to do with me identifying with Pacy and hating that damn cookie cutter Dawson Leary.

*no really...

logic1

Well said Bubbles.

.logic.

amp

Originally posted by Typedef
Yeah but, I just don't fancy Dawson, it's nothing to do with me identifying with Pacy and hating that damn cookie cutter Dawson Leary.

*no really...

Yeah, I agree. He's had like, at least 20 babes climbing *into* his bedroom. Some even take their tops off. And he still can't get laid. Now if only we could combine Dawsons great looks with Pacy's wit and charm....

Typedef

The wierd part is that ... I've never even watched Dawson's creek.....

chick flicks

as if.

Dustaz

Originally posted by ecksor

There are lots of tech forums to ask such questions on though, whether your question was about performance, or about the kline that regi mentioned (in which case you'd probably be pointed to the quakenet faq, particularly this bit -> http://www.quakenet.org/faq/faq.php?c=128&f=127 )

I know that's unfriendly, but in the interests of noise reduction it does make sense!

Theres the question i was going to ask, on topic i feel, pretty much answered. Ta xor. It just feels strange that it had to be answered in a completly different forum, in a thread thats as bad as the admin ones were

amp

Originally posted by Typedef
The wierd part is that ... I've never even watched Dawson's creek.....

chick flicks

as if.

Uh... me neither. Nope. /me whistles

Btw. I think some of the angst about Admin is generated because when some of us see that the thread is dead, we can't help but throw it wildly off-topic.

It's bold I know. And I'm trying to quit. It's just I've quit so many things I like this year and *sniff* I really wanted to change, cause if I changed then maybe Joey would love me again.

/me rows back across the creek gently crying...

DeVore

Sorry bubbles I had you on ignore. What was that?


Bottom line guys, I have had to field a lot of mails from people that started of "I would have posted this on Admin but I didnt think it was XYZ enough" or "I was too afraid to post this on admin".

We had a lot of signal and a lot of noise. Now, I initially tried to get people to shut up on the noise side, but that felt wrong.

Noise is signal-in-the-wrong-place.... So I created a place where we can all chat about stuff about Boards and how its working etc and left another board where people can talk directly to the admins and ask them directly to do stuff for them.

We're trying something new... maybe it will work better and maybe it wont, but I felt the "noise" was too high on the Admin Board.... here, we can be more relaxed about the "noise" and be 'stricter' with it on Admin.

This IS a community influenced website but its also a benevolent dictatorship. We've never said otherwise. That means sometimes there are dictats issued but they are genuinely what we (and the other admins have agreed with me on this) feel the site needs at that time.

If bubbles and others want to troll and suggest that I'm treating you contempt, then I will let you (plural) be the judges of that and vote with your time and browsers.

DeV.

DeVore

ps: there were many people, usually mods, who were very helpful to newbies and who offered succinct and helpful answers. Unfortunately there were others (some mods, some not) who made admin reasonably unworkable. Not the least of which included trolling and baiting.

I'm sorry to have lost the help of those mods as they were genuinely helpful to others (Seamus springs to mind, amongst others), and it will mean more work for us in the long run probably but the answers were being lost in the noise and it wasnt the right way to handle "support"...

We may ask some people to help us with support requests in the future, but the only way to do that now would be to play favourites and pick individuals and we werent prepared to do that.

DeV.

bubbles

This IS a community influenced website but its also a benevolent dictatorship.

Don't think anyone would argue with you there, but because myself and others have a different opinion doesn't mean we are trolling. If you don't like it, thats your problem, just like its my problem if you say something I disagree with. Anyway, I'm sure people would aggree with me that you're doing far more trolling these days then me DeVore. And you expect other people who use boards to be nice to each other when the admins are like that?!

Anyway, my overall point was not what you wanted to do with the admin/feedback board - it was your attitiude towards people, (esp the Mods), who all helped make this community. Seems you sometimes forget that. Still, havn't had one person here or on IRC disagree with me yet over what I said, so get your little mirror, and ask it, mirror mirror on the wall, who is the biggest troll of them all. You mightn't see it, but others do.

Accept it.


Manners - they go a long way in this world

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by DeVore

If bubbles and others want to troll

i have to say Tom, i get really bored of people accusing anyone who does not agree with the status quo of being a troll.
every day i get called a troll because i tell someone that i dont agree, because i say something against another mod, because i can actually think without the rest of the sheep herd population bleating in the same direction as me.

dont make the mistake of always thinking that as well. youre brighter than that.
of course, it is bubbles, and once you cry wolf......

Originally posted by DeVore
ps: there were many people, usually mods, who were very helpful to newbies and who offered succinct and helpful answers. Unfortunately there were others (some mods, some not) who made admin reasonably unworkable. Not the least of which included trolling and baiting.

and there are people who get sick of the same questions all the time.
there are people who are sick of giving the answers to the same questions all the time, only to have the answers thrown back in their faces.

Originally posted by DeVore
I'm sorry to have lost the help of those mods as they were genuinely helpful to others (Seamus springs to mind, amongst others), and it will mean more work for us in the long run probably but the answers were being lost in the noise and it wasnt the right way to handle "support"...

i think you will find that most people have always been helpful.
and i think you will find that once one person acts the arse, there are only too many people willing to jusmp on the band wagon to get their reall funny remark in.
on boards.ie, everyones a fúcking comedian.....

Originally posted by DeVore
We may ask some people to help us with support requests in the future, but the only way to do that now would be to play favourites and pick individuals and we werent prepared to do that.

but surely thats what its always been?
surely you picked people on soem sort of basis that you liked them and thought theyd make a good mod, as opposed to just some random punter on the boards.

i'll be honest, i think its about time that boards sort of said, this is boards.ie, like it or leave it, and this is the admin team, and we do what we bloody well please.

you are doing too much to try to please all the people all of the time, and its really starting to get messy, with people suggesting you write up rules and regulations and this and that.

again, as ive said before, its all becoming regimented. its begining to lose that 'laissez fair' feel it used to have when it was just a collection of people who knew each other and had a good laugh and fought and píssed each other off and bragged about 4 colours of brown.

its just a big on line community, and some people have stronger personalities than others, and people have good and bad days.

you may as well have a little tester that will only allow people to post if they are within their own user defined limits.

warning wwman, you are píssed off today, please remember to not post anything sarcastic or thought provoking. people will misinterpret ie as trolling.........



and bubbles. give it a rest.

as for the rest of this thread. yep, on topic and on target as always....l.

DeVore

Well now, sorry for you if you dont like people thinking that you and bubbles are trolling but frankly you cried wolf enough to warn of an entire pack. I find it hard to take anything either of you say seriously as a result.

I will however address Eamos points in his last post as I believe he's being serious.

i think you will find that most people have always been helpful.

Yes, they have but it only takes a fraction to stick their boot in to disrupt that helpfulness.
Whats that line? "It takes one tree to make a thousand matches, and only takes one match to burn a thousand trees".

I honestly think this set up is better for everyone , we can have discussion, feedback and suggestions here and a support forum consisting of direct communication with the admins on the Admin / Support forum.


Of course, the nay-sayers (the same nay-sayers as ever) havent even given it a chance before presuming its some slight on something or other.. I'm not even sure what the argument is tbh...

and i think you will find that once one person acts the arse, there are only too many people willing to jusmp on the band wagon to get their reall funny remark in.

Thats accurate enough. Only you'll find it was a different set of people jumping on the bandwagon each time. You included as I'm sure you'll admit.

i'll be honest, i think its about time that boards sort of said, this is boards.ie, like it or leave it, and this is the admin team, and we do what we bloody well please.

When have we ever said otherwise?

I *try* and be fair, because its in my nature. I *like* the idea of a community evolving through its own decision because I am a proponent of free speech IN ITS TRUE FORM and in the idea that things are more then the sum of their parts.
and mostly because I think the world has lost the sort of community gathering places that I saw in Pompeii , which is where Boards really started to ferment in my mind. A place where people, everyone, could come and discuss the issues of the day.

However, I've seen a hundred things go wrong on account of committees and working groups and no clear leadership.
I'm not prepared to let boards go like that so while we avail of the combined thinking power of the community (which we have done in the past), when a decision has to be made, we, the admins, will make it.

So, let me state this: I want EVERYONE to be happy... I want to bring everyone with me whereever this merry road leads us.

But if we lose a few along the way who cant agree to work that way or who dont see what we're trying to achieve, then so be it.


Look at it this way.... We've renamed Admin to Feedback and created a Bug-Ticket System board called Admin / Support.

(Look at: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82904 Do you see how this is kinda working? I could never have had that succinct a conversation over an issue before this except through mail....)


There, does that clarify everything?


Jeezzzzzzzz....

DeV.

ironbrew

umm i think nearly everything already was clarified, it's just some people or ranting on about the Mods Vs the newbies(me) argumnet and how they arn't being treated right, but yip your right because i was *nearly* always treated with respect and the mods freely let me have my opnion, accept for the occasional fag!

but on the other hand i tihnk this has sorta started over my thread on "private boards" and the way newbies were threated there so on that basis me says sorry! Anyway i don't see theres that much of a change in the renaming of the boards Admin/support etc... as it does help the admins spot the requests that matter and i';d say ive visted this board more than Admin since this has become the board for the "in crowd" and all the chitter chatter has moved here

P.S..i did actually like your speech Bubbles...im renaming it..."i have a dream...." By Mr. Soap Bubbles....

btw...im probally talking bollock, because i always do and im doing my GCSE coursework:rolleyes:

bubbles

Well now, sorry for you if you dont like people thinking that you and bubbles are trolling but frankly you cried wolf enough to warn of an entire pack. I find it hard to take anything either of you say seriously as a result.

Let me assure you that I am serious, and thats a kind of lame and petty thing to do, saying that I have cried wolf so many times...

How ofter do I cry wolf (ok, maybe 3 years ago things where different). Examples please? I mean, i hardly post as bubbles anymore - so there's pretty much **** all I can get up to, and I'm guessing you don't know my other aliases....so please, prove to the people how I am... and I mean real evidence - not that fake stuff like those fake logs etc you issued trying to corner me during my Ali G phase (which is actually very lame in itself, you could have least put a bit of effort into making it look half convincing)

Not going to go on any further about the comments in the above post, I made my point fairly well I think

Grow up.

DeVore

LOL now I know you are trolling bubbles... cos we both know what story behind Ali G

You really almost had me going :P

DeV.

bubbles

Yes, we do both know the story - and just because I mentioned you made up fake evidence over an incident about 3 years ago, you think I taking the piss now?

Explain that logic to me... please. I really want to see what is going on in that head of yours.

I even mentioned this a few months ago, how someone says something you don't agree with, and you know they are right (ala moi) you try to play them off as a muppet, and normally the majority of the people, who are usually happy to blindly follow you because they are lick arses do, always be nice to the guy with the power.

Not this time, I have put hard FACT down in my argument - what have you put down? That you THINK I'm a 'troll' And you continue to atempt to make me look like a Troll, so people won't take notice. I've asked you 3 times now over the last 3 weeks, and each time you fail to answer - evidence please?

I'll take the lack of an answer to be that there is none - surprise surprise.

But hey, look at the bright side... you can simply reply, calling me a Troll again if it makes you feel better. You obviously have issues.

And since this is the feedback board, and regi last night made a passing comment saying what don't I suggest something postive for a change (huh?)

Well, I suggest getting another admin to be the "public speaker" of the pack. Vexorg or Cloud would be more suited imo - decent people, who are sane and don't have a superiortiy 'issues'.

You need a holiday.

amp

Ah, so this boils down to a personality conflict between Bubbles and DeVore. And this thread has decended into whether Bubbles is trolling or not and if he's trolled in the past.

Was it three years ago that you claimed that Boston was an account you made up Bubbles? I don't think it was. And I fell for it myself, because I believed that only you could have pulled off such a master troll, given your reputation. And you have one, whether you like it or not.

Now, if you're not trolling, and this is purely a personality conflict, then put away your handbags, get off the dancefloor and get a room.

bubbles

Amp, It turned out like that, but not because of it. It is because of DeVore. Him saying I was a troll etc trying to weaken my point without. I'm not just going to sit back and watch him do that. **** no!

And so what? I said I was Boston, Boston said he was me - is that a troll? Do you fear the unknown that much? I know for a fact DeVore does. Que the twilight zone music.

amp

Roughly translated: "He started it! wasn't me waaaa!"

"Fear of the unknown."

I expected more than that from you Bubbs, I know you're more creative than that. Obviously I'm not worthy.

bubbles

Yup, he started it. If you where in town or whatever, and someone comes up and hits you... do you just stand there and smile? No.

And no, I'm not worthy, never have been and never will be. I'm sorry to hear that you expected more than me.

Giblet

Great Idea Devore, this has inspired a great argument! And to think, I might of never have seen such delights.

Anyway...
If I were to make a new topic in Admin, and you or whoever else were to respond, how am I supposed to reply? Or have you allowed such things.....

amp

Originally posted by bubbles
Yup, he started it. If you where in town or whatever, and someone comes up and hits you... do you just stand there and smile? No.

Here's what I see happened. DeVore posted about the changes made to Admin and Feedback. You write a critique of this and other things claiming Dev to be hypocritical. Dev calls you a troller and wonders whether you're being serious.

Given your reputation of trolling that's understandable. It's hard for people who've been trolled by you in the past to take you seriously. For all I know I'm currently the victim of your latest troll.

Dev is not responsible for that reputation, you are.

And no, I'm not worthy, never have been and never will be. I'm sorry to hear that you expected more than me.

No, no, I said I'm not worthy. Worthy of the type of response you normally reserve for Dev.

DeVore

Originally posted by Giblet
Great Idea Devore, this has inspired a great argument! And to think, I might of never have seen such delights.

Anyway...
If I were to make a new topic in Admin, and you or whoever else were to respond, how am I supposed to reply? Or have you allowed such things.....

Yup we thought of that, you can reply to your own topics just not other peoples support issues. Personally I think its working well at the moment.


Bubbles I *know* you are trolling because we both know what happened that stormy evening 3 years ago. Lets not bring it up again, its too..... too painful. See, I *KNOW* you are trolling cos you are trying to say it didnt happen and you werent caught like a MOFO, which we both know you were. Now you can go all innocent and hurt and pretend like your valour is all wounded but even feckin' Eamo is telling you to give it a rest!

The funny thing (as you well know) is that I cant prove you are trolling despite knowing FOR CERTAIN that you are (since I know the events really DID occur!). But you see, I dont care about convincing other people. So long as I'm happy that there isnt a problem here and you are just on your usual soapbox, then I'm relieved.

I'd really hate to think anyone thought this was a slap in the face. We've separated the hard support issues from the chit-chat of feedback and boards-interested community discussion.

DeV.

Hobbes

Apart from prehaps making your "Why can't I post here?" a sticky (so Regi doesn't go nuts with posts like mine )

Here is a suggestion. If a person posts on Support forum and the admins feel it warrants feedback then all they have to do is move the thread to here and leave the original link.

btw, all in all I don't think it's a great idea to lock it off to so few people. It's only going to annoy some people that they aren't getting an answer that most moderators who have been here a while could answer. But how or never.

bubbles

See, I *KNOW* you are trolling cos you are trying to say it didnt happen and you werent caught like a MOFO, which we both know you were

Ohh I love it... but lets get things straight - the way it happened.
Bascially I was posting under an alias, using proxies and whatnot. I never ONCE posted from work. I decided one morning (when I was ment to be in work) to post from a standard indigo dialup in the hope to throw you off.

You knew it was me, and fair enough... and because of the time I posted that one post, you concluded that I must have done it from work - therefore could report me to my employer.
And yes, to be honest that did worry me - why?

Becasue

a) at the time I wasn't really in a position to survive any **** slapped in my face in work

b) even though I knew I couldn't be blamed for posting them from work (because I never did) I was fairly certain you would just provide my employer with fake information indicating it was me - which you already had done publicly on boards.ie a couple of days before - so I was worried about what lies you where going to submit.

Then I came forward - yes, in a way you think would be embarresing to me. But I was dealing with some knob who was making **** up trying to get evidence that it was me. And you are sick in the head, but appear to be sane and yes, I was worried about the **** you would produce. Then we had one of our little chats, remember?

I will post the logs up if you want. Actually, **** you, I will when I get home later, and let the people see what really was said and how pathetic you where.

Bascially our little chat went along the lines of how you Admins didn't want me to get away with it, because other people would know you could do **** all really to track someone who is half arsed about blocking their dialup info. So you asked me to come out and say it in public - so it looked like the Admins could track down any trouble making. And therefore prevent it.

So, to me it looks like you where the one caught with your pants down - even when you told you me tracked me down to a oceanfree dialup on one occasion. I have never ever used an oceanfree dialup even once in my whole life. Yes, you really do have the ability to track down trouble makers...

Funnily enough, if you're sooooo good at it, how come you havn't caught me once since then? Not that I've done anything TOO bad, but 3 years is a long time to be a good boy

I'd really hate to think anyone thought this was a slap in the face.

No, the new policys about the admin boards is fine - good idea etc My problem was with you, and what you said in those posts.

So long as I'm happy that there isnt a problem here and you are just on your usual soapbox, then I'm relieved.

You really think that? Maybe you should ask some more people, who happen not be sitting next to you in work...


Want to bring up anything else?

DeVore

Ah Bubbles. I love you. Really, I dunno what I'd do without you.

DeV.

ps: Yeah I'm sure all the wilting flowers round here are too afraid to voice their opinions because of some fearful retribution from me. I mean, I've done it before right? Uh... actually I've never done anything to anyone for voicing their heartfelt opinions... (apart from Kim Tae Woo and well, she was an idiot).

amp

Fix my signature. Bitch.

bubbles

The logs - bit long - but they tell a story...

*** Log file opened: 01/02/00 23:44:00
[23:44] <bubbles> slosh there ?
[23:44] <DeVore> he's around
[23:44] <DeVore> watching tv I thinkl
[23:44] <DeVore> why?
[23:44] <bubbles> just wonderin why he named me on the boards as ali g !!!
[23:46] <DeVore> I think it was because someone sent him a log of you laughing at blades jpg and saying you'd post it on the boards cos you couldnt give a ****
[23:46] <DeVore> (wasnt me btw)
[23:46] <DeVore> I'm staying out of all things Adra
[23:47] <bubbles> it was funny
[23:47] <bubbles> i did say i was going to post it
[23:47] <bubbles> but i didn't
[23:47] <bubbles> the pic blade sent me was the unedited one
[23:48] <bubbles> soz but that **** ain't my style
[23:48] <DeVore> I dont see where he named you...
[23:48] <bubbles> he did
[23:48] <bubbles> it was up for 6 mins
[23:48] <bubbles> then he edited
[23:48] <DeVore> well then, perhaps he retracted it pending better proof.
[23:49] <bubbles> but tarzan saw it when it was bubbles
[23:49] <DeVore> you would have to admit you were a suspect haha
[23:49] <bubbles> ahh c'mon
[23:49] <bubbles> i havn't done any crap like that in ages !
[23:49] <DeVore> well you do have a reputation and he did get a log
[23:50] <DeVore> kinda easy to see how 2 + 2 could come to that answer
[23:50] <bubbles> yah..
[23:50] <DeVore> but he's taken it down
[23:50] <DeVore> which is all he could do
[23:50] <DeVore> I guess
[23:50] <bubbles> but u know me - if i was going to do something i would use my real nick
[23:50] <DeVore> any idea who it *is*?
[23:51] <bubbles> nope...
[23:51] <bubbles> but blade only sent it to a few ppl
[23:51] <DeVore> kinda odd writing style
[23:51] <bubbles> they prb sent it on - either way should be easy to track if u post a message
[23:51] <DeVore> I could get the ISP to trace it but I couldnt be arsed tbh
[23:52] <bubbles> well get #quake.ie logs..
[23:52] <bubbles> see who was on with that i.p at the time
[23:52] <DeVore> yeah, like I said, I couldnt be arsed tbh
[23:53] bubbles gos on a witch hunt
[23:53] <DeVore> I'll ask cloud to search for it
[23:53] <DeVore> and see who it was
[23:53] <DeVore> only to clear your name
[23:53] <DeVore> (see how good I am to you!)
[23:53] <bubbles> !
[23:53] <bubbles> u must want something
[23:53] <DeVore> oooh you wound me!
[23:54] <bubbles> and tell slosh "i expected more from him too"
[23:54] <DeVore> all I have ever wanted is you bubbles you know that
[23:54] <bubbles> yah i know
[23:54] <DeVore> well to be fair to him, he'll apologise if it wasnt you
[23:55] <bubbles> but it wasn't me ! and i see no apoligy - and the word is going around that it is me :-/
[23:55] <bubbles> which i don't really mind - but it wasn't !
[23:58] <bubbles> ahh tell him i still love him
[00:00] <DeVore> ok
[00:01] *** Disconnected ***
*** Log file closed: 02/02/00 00:01:10


Meanwhile - i went to a pissup, and fake logs where posted on boards.ie


*** Log file opened: 05/02/00 15:34:12
[15:34] <bubbles> just had a read of your post
[15:34] <bubbles> read my reply in a few mins...
[15:34] <DeVore> ok
[15:34] <bubbles> i talk like that ?
[15:34] <bubbles> i can up girls online ?
[15:35] <DeVore> ?
[15:35] <bubbles> after 2 years in irc i would at least tought u could figure out what i type like !!!!
[15:35] <DeVore> ??
[15:35] <bubbles> for 2 years no one knew my name - you think i give it out to strangers ?
[15:36] <DeVore> maybe you thought differently in a different chat channel?
[15:36] <bubbles> c'mon now, you think i join other channels with different nicks ?
[15:36] <bubbles> you EVER see me in any other channels ever ?
[15:36] <DeVore> different server
[15:37] <bubbles> ahhh c'mon now
[15:38] <bubbles> just read my reply - and look at the evidence - its seriosuly seriously not me and i tought you of all people would see that !
[15:38] <bubbles> anotehr 5 mins or so
[15:38] <DeVore> I didnt say it was you
[15:38] <DeVore> infact I said I WASNT accusing you
[15:38] <bubbles> I'm not accusing bubbles, but I know my mind is pretty damned certain
[15:38] <DeVore> just that I'm certain.
[15:39] <bubbles> i know, but your opinion is respecte and trusted...
[15:39] <bubbles> if u say its me, then ppl will just conclude its me
[15:39] <bubbles> see ALi G there now !
[15:39] <bubbles> !!!!
[15:39] <DeVore> ?
[15:39] <bubbles> #quake.ie
[15:40] <DeVore> very nice.
[15:40] <bubbles> !
[15:41] <DeVore> stunning that he chose THIS moment to drop by
[15:41] <DeVore> just long enough to make sure we got to see his ident
[15:42] <DeVore> which, SHOCK HORROR, is different from your.
[15:42] <bubbles> no !
[15:42] <bubbles> thats some1 in #quake messin
[15:42] <DeVore> maybe
[15:42] <DeVore> as I said, this has lost all fun aspect for me by now
[15:42] <bubbles> Ali_G [thomashowi@ts10-108.dublin.indigo.ie] has quit IRC (Leaving)
[15:42] <bubbles> Jedi-playingQ3 [thomashowi@ts10-108.dublin.indigo.ie] has quit IRC (Leaving)
[15:42] <bubbles> see !!
[15:43] <bubbles> you have it set its me, and no matter what any1 else does you but it down to me
[15:43] <DeVore> so you are saying its Jedi?
[15:43] <bubbles> no
[15:44] <DeVore>
[15:44] <bubbles> i just said just like there - the ali g pretending to be the other night is a fake !
[15:44] <bubbles> any1 now would be coming onto irc as ali g for the laugh
[15:44] <DeVore> indeed
[15:45] bubbles <---- not impressed
[15:45] <DeVore> whatever
[15:45] <DeVore> you couldnt even keep a straight face last night for gods sake
[15:46] <DeVore> and you made DAMNED sure I knew you were going to be in the pub from early on.
[15:46] <bubbles> lol cos everyone was callin me ali when i'm not !!
[15:46] <DeVore> in fact you made a point of making sure I knew you'd be in the pub from 7:30
[15:46] <bubbles> no cos i didn't want to hang around the office till 7.30 !!
[15:46] <bubbles> and wanted to know if any1 was going down a bit early
[15:46] <DeVore> anyway
[15:46] <bubbles> your paranoid
[15:46] <DeVore> to date, its been a laugh
[15:47] <bubbles> thats posted - go have a slow read
[15:50] <DeVore> I have to go
[15:50] <bubbles> we'll continue this later
[15:50] <DeVore> If I follow this further, whoever it is will get a permanent life ban
[15:50] <DeVore> if thats not you, you'll get an apology from me
[15:50] <bubbles> suits me
[18:40] <DeVore> if its not you, I *will* apologise.
[18:42] <Pikachu> huh ?
[18:42] <DeVore> read my post on the boards entitled "Ali G"
[18:43] <DeVore> cos I'm going legal on monday.
[18:43] <DeVore> I am beginning to doubt it is you, if its not I'm sorry.
[18:43] <DeVore> this guy works.
[18:43] <DeVore> he posted at 9:08 am
[18:43] <DeVore> if it comes to it, I'm going to get him fired.
[18:43] <Pikachu> good
[18:43] <DeVore> I'm really serious this time.
[18:43] <Pikachu> what was his i.p ?
[18:44] <DeVore> its on the board
[18:44] <Pikachu> college ?
[18:44] <DeVore> no indigo
[18:49] <Pikachu> bout time too !
*** Log file closed: 05/02/00 19:43:00

*** Log file opened: 05/02/00 20:55:10
[20:55] <Pikachu>
[20:55] <DeVore> ?
[20:55] <Pikachu> going to get it framed i am
[20:55] <DeVore>
[20:55] <Pikachu> hehehe you really really want this chap LOL
[20:56] <Pikachu> i feel nearly guilty
[20:56] <DeVore> yes.
[20:56] <DeVore> why?
[20:56] <Pikachu> lol
[20:56] <Pikachu> ahhh nothin
[20:56] <DeVore> I aint laughin
[20:56] <DeVore> I'm well pissed off.
[20:56] <Pikachu> i'm sure you are
[20:57] <Pikachu> but be crap receiving a phone call of regi to tell some you some1 posted something
[20:57] <Pikachu> but = must
[20:57] <DeVore> eh?
[20:57] <DeVore> regi never phoned me
[20:57] <DeVore> why do you say that?
[20:58] <DeVore> this guy posted from work it seems. I wonder how crap he's going to feel when his box calls him over with a fax of those pictures.
[20:58] <Pikachu> well - are you sure they called in from work
[20:59] <DeVore> seems so
[20:59] <DeVore> dont matter
[20:59] <Pikachu> but you don't know that
[20:59] <DeVore> still going to find out where he works
[20:59] <Pikachu> well u can't go mailing ppls bosses when its nothing work related
[20:59] <DeVore> lies are great, they stick like ****.
[20:59] <DeVore> watch me.
[20:59] <Pikachu> hehehe
[21:01] <Pikachu> then again...
[21:01] <DeVore> ?

bubbles

[21:02] <Pikachu> lets say its a kid... their dad pays the phone line and works - you fax in the pics etc - u can't get the father in trouble in work for something they kid did
[21:02] <Pikachu> thats just not cricket
[21:02] <DeVore> watch me.
[21:02] <DeVore> you'll very quickly find that little "johnny" wont be bothering us again.
[21:03] <DeVore> or indeed anyone.
[21:03] <DeVore> what happens to the father... I could care less.
[21:03] <Pikachu> well - thats not very fair...
[21:03] <DeVore> tough **** for leaving your kid access to the net unsupervised.
[21:03] <Pikachu> when your kids does something like that - and u get punished for it - you'll understand then
[21:03] <DeVore> and I take my responsibility.
[21:03] <Pikachu> easy to say now dev
[21:04] <DeVore> whats it to you anyway?
[21:04] <Pikachu> oh no reason :P
[21:04] <DeVore> this guy is jerking my chain, ***** him*
[21:04] <Pikachu> yes - **** him - don't get his father fired....
[21:04] <DeVore> he wants a fight, on Monday I'll give him a ****ing war hahah
[21:04] <Pikachu> he post an apoligy yet ?
[21:05] <DeVore> see his father will "**** him" for me, much worse then I ever could.
[21:05] <Pikachu> apology even
[21:05] <DeVore> under his own name
[21:05] <DeVore> and it wasnt an apology.
[21:05] <DeVore> it was in that stupid black-rapper ****.
[21:06] <Pikachu> you take these things so seriously : )
[21:06] <DeVore> watch me.
[21:06] <DeVore> on Monday morning, it will get a lot more seriousl
[21:06] <DeVore> until then, its fun.
[21:06] <DeVore> you seem concerned about this poor chap.
[21:06] <DeVore> he dragged you into
[21:06] <Pikachu> no not the chap
[21:07] <DeVore> **** the whole family if necessary
[21:07] <DeVore> see his father will "**** him" for me, much worse then I ever could.
[21:07] <Pikachu> yes - but not worth the father losing his job !
[21:07] <DeVore> he father gets a slap on the wrist, and if he gets fired, its his boss is the asshole.
[21:07] <Pikachu> never seen this evil streak in you before its shocking really
[21:08] <DeVore> its always been there
[21:08] <DeVore> ask regi
[21:08] <Pikachu> lol
[21:08] <DeVore> he's seen me do it to others : )
[21:08] <Pikachu> but remember - there are more then 2 ppl in it......
[21:08] <DeVore> ?
[21:08] <Pikachu> well i know you think i'm one : )
[21:09] <DeVore> Theres me, and theres anyone associated with him.
[21:09] <Pikachu> so therefore theres another...
[21:09] <DeVore> get one, and he'll squeal like piggy.
[21:09] <Pikachu> not he wouldn't
[21:09] <DeVore> eh?
[21:09] <Pikachu> he would "protect his mate"
[21:10] <DeVore> unlikely
[21:10] <Pikachu> and you would still have 50% of the problem out there
[21:10] <DeVore> from his parents? from me?
[21:11] <DeVore> all you have to do is whisper the likelyhood that "these are probably the guys who did Ericom" and watch the whole house of cards come down.
[21:11] <Pikachu> but...
[21:11] <Pikachu> if they are in eircom - how could they post in work with an indigo i.p ?
[21:11] <DeVore> but thats not true?
[21:11] <DeVore> wtf is going to ask questions like that?
[21:12] <DeVore> who knows how these wily hackers work
[21:12] <Pikachu> some1 who works in eircom !
[21:12] <DeVore> they could have tons of dialupos
[21:12] <DeVore> in fact theres another point
[21:12] <DeVore> they have loads of dialup accounts!!! they must be Haxors
[21:12] <DeVore> !!
[21:12] <Pikachu> lol
[21:12] <DeVore> its too easy.
[21:13] <Pikachu> well lets say IF it was me...
[21:13] <DeVore> and having an Internet company behind me makes it even easier
[21:13] <DeVore> I'm the MD of a respected company
[21:13] <DeVore> noone is even going to think twice.
[21:13] <Pikachu> i don't start work till 10, and all eircom internet access in on the LAN so therefore any1 in eircom wouldn't give a damn
[21:14] <Pikachu> i'm sure they would go for any1 wouking in dell, gateway etc
[21:14] <DeVore> but bubbles it *wasnt* you was it now. I'm doing this to clear your name...
[21:14] <Pikachu> and i'm very gratefull
[21:14] <Pikachu> i really am !
[21:14] <DeVore> think nothing of it.
[21:14] <Pikachu> i won't - don't worry : )
[21:15] <Pikachu> just helping to make things clearer for you : )
[21:15] <DeVore> oh things are PERFECTLY clear for me.
[21:15] <DeVore> This is MY world now, and I'm the one that knows all the ways to bend the rules : )
[21:15] <Pikachu> good good - fill me in on monday evening - i'm interested in who this chap is
[21:15] <DeVore> np
[21:16] <Pikachu>
[21:16] <DeVore> you'll know as soon as I do...
[21:16] <Pikachu> good good
[21:17] <DeVore> actually I think I'll record the phone calls too!
[21:17] <DeVore> that would be fun
[21:17] <Pikachu> yah do !
[21:18] <DeVore> could serve them as real audio
[21:18] <DeVore> haha
[21:18] <Pikachu> lol
[21:18] <Pikachu> live i hope
[21:18] <Pikachu> you actually want me to say it don't you : )
[21:19] <DeVore> ?
[21:19] <Pikachu> ahh c'mon now : )
[21:19] <DeVore> ?
[21:19] <Pikachu> hehe
[21:19] <DeVore> until monday, its just a bit of fun
[21:20] <DeVore> slosh was laughing here, and so was I to be honest
[21:20] <Pikachu> i know : )
[21:20] <Pikachu> cos i was too
[21:20] <DeVore> but on Monday, without apology on the boards under their name
[21:20] <DeVore> its gets serious.
[21:20] <Pikachu> we both know thats not going to happen tho
[21:20] <DeVore> um it is.
[21:20] <DeVore> bubbles I aint joking about it
[21:20] <DeVore> I have 6 servers online
[21:21] <DeVore> 2 of them run ecommerce solutions
[21:21] <Pikachu> and i'm not saying sorry for something i don't regret
[21:21] <DeVore> do you have any idea HOW MANY people I get attacking those boxes?
[21:21] <DeVore> apology is the wrong word
[21:21] <DeVore> recognition that you did it and you called me a liar wrongly.
[21:22] <Pikachu> lol : )
[21:22] <Pikachu> recognition i can take
[21:22] <Pikachu> no apoligy cos u did accuse me with no evidence
[21:22] <DeVore> fine.
[21:23] <Pikachu> lol : ) you know how long it took me to do your head this morning ?
[21:23] <DeVore> I never doubted myself for a moment.
[21:23] <DeVore>
[21:23] <Pikachu> i know - and you where right too...
[21:23] <Pikachu> tell me tho...
[21:23] <Pikachu> t'was the bit where i said in #quake.ie saying i'd post it ?
[21:24] <DeVore> no,
[21:24] <DeVore> we never had a log of that
[21:24] <DeVore> I made that up
[21:24] <DeVore> : )
[21:24] <Pikachu> hehe
[21:24] <Pikachu> see ya blamed me for no reason !
[21:24] <DeVore> nah, I knew it was you
[21:24] <Pikachu> so did i
[21:24] <DeVore> bubbles I'm the ONLY one who can tell when its you hahaha
[21:25] <Pikachu> like i went tru so much effort you wouldn't believe
[21:25] <DeVore> and I can ALWAYS tell
[21:25] <Pikachu> went tru like 1000 proxys
[21:25] <DeVore> hahaha
[21:25] <Pikachu> went to a boring pissup
[21:25] <DeVore> yes that gave it away actually
[21:25] <Pikachu> hooked up another pc here
[21:25] <DeVore> who posted while you were at the pissup?
[21:25] <Pikachu> now now
[21:25] <Pikachu> as for ali g being banned - that would never happen
[21:26] <DeVore> it would have taken time and effort its true
[21:26] <DeVore> MP was suspected too
[21:26] <Pikachu> i'm only sorry you's deleted those links to the pics
[21:26] <Pikachu> cos imo they where funny - i even did one of myself !
[21:27] <Pikachu> and i really want to do more
[21:27] <DeVore> well keep it if you like, but it has to be associated with you.
[21:28] <Pikachu> still no good
[21:28] <Pikachu> i don't mind key ppl in on it - that was the plan at the start

bubbles

[21:28] <DeVore> see you want anonymity
[21:29] <Pikachu> well that log u produced !
[21:29] <Pikachu> that ticked me off
[21:29] <DeVore> mostly a fabricatin
[21:29] <DeVore> I knew it would hahaha
[21:29] <Pikachu> it seemed you where makin **** up to get me, even tho you had no evidence
[21:29] <DeVore> I knew you couldnt deny it either
[21:29] <Pikachu> tbh i was pissed at that
[21:29] <DeVore> no
[21:29] <Pikachu> that u think some1 is wrong so u try to frame them
[21:29] <DeVore> I knew that I was making up some stuff
[21:29] <DeVore> you know I knew for sure
[21:29] <Pikachu> but it was directly aimed at me
[21:29] <Pikachu> yah
[21:30] <DeVore> so when I made stuff up like the A/S/L stuff
[21:30] <DeVore> I knew you'd be mad
[21:30] <Pikachu> directl;y aimed at me....
[21:30] <DeVore> and you wouldnt be able to leave it lie
[21:30] <Pikachu> but u could have got the wrong person..
[21:30] <DeVore> not as bad as the stuff you directly aimed at others lol
[21:31] <Pikachu> well you did it badly man
[21:31] <Pikachu> real bad
[21:31] <Pikachu> the way they typed...
[21:31] <DeVore> yeah I lost a lot of the logs!
[21:31] <DeVore> so I had to recall them from memory
[21:31] <Pikachu> ahh
[21:31] <Pikachu> i tought it was snowbat u whgere talkin to
[21:31] <Pikachu> cos he types identical to that
[21:31] <DeVore>
[21:32] <Pikachu> blah blah. OK.
[21:32] <Pikachu> and seriously - i didn't want to piss ppl off....
[21:32] <Pikachu> othewise they would have been real hardcore pics
[21:32] <DeVore> and me and gandie and a gorrilla isnt!
[21:32] <Pikachu> but i would have made a gif of that zero&dre one lol
[21:33] <Pikachu> well i spent 2 hours on your head
[21:33] <Pikachu> then i had to get all those pics
[21:33] <Pikachu> have 180 quake related ones now
[21:33] <DeVore>
[21:33] <Pikachu> ahhh some greats ones of MP
[21:34] <Pikachu> couldn't use them
[21:34] <DeVore> haha
[21:34] <Pikachu> well i have toi think about owning up or not..
[21:35] <Pikachu> ;-)
[21:36] <Pikachu> well he was on the night after...
[21:36] <Pikachu> well you still have something to do and find person no.2
[21:37] <DeVore> I have a very good idea.
[21:37] <DeVore> I have to go
[21:37] <Pikachu> who ??
[21:37] <DeVore> talk to you later.
[21:37] <Pikachu> oki
[21:37] <DeVore> sorry gotta run
[21:37] <Pikachu> cya
[21:37] <DeVore> post that recognition
[21:37] <Pikachu> err no
[21:37] <Pikachu> have to think bout ti..
[21:37] <DeVore> or I'l post this log
[21:37] <Pikachu> you faked this log
[21:38] <DeVore> suuure
[21:38] <Pikachu> Can't you see that. Ok?
[21:38] <DeVore> people will really believe that
[21:38] <Pikachu> i'll talk to ya later
[21:38] <DeVore> bye bubbles
[21:38] <Pikachu> cya mr. D
*** Log file closed: 05/02/00 22:06:04

bubbles

*** Log file opened: 05/02/00 23:30:24
[23:30] <Pikachu> lo
[23:30] <DeVore> lo
[23:31] <Pikachu> sooo if i kept using the proxys you wouldn't have had proof ?
[23:31] <DeVore> nah, I had a few traces running on those proxies too
[23:31] <DeVore> and on Geocities and that other place
[23:32] <Pikachu> hmmm
[23:32] <Pikachu> bastid
[23:32] <DeVore> chatcircuit is their admins irc area
[23:32] <DeVore>
[23:32] <Pikachu> see i used indigo for that post that morning cos if i used a proxy you would have tought i posted from work...
[23:32] <Pikachu> and i don't mix work with pleasure
[23:32] <DeVore> I was connecting to ChatCiruit when I found you on OceanFree
[23:32] <Pikachu> oceanfree ?
[23:33] <Pikachu> never used them in my life - only used esat and indigo
[23:33] <Pikachu> a "borrowed" indigo a/c too
[23:33] <DeVore> no, I think I actually spotted someone else on OceanFree's chat area
[23:33] <DeVore> or was that you
[23:33] <Pikachu> nope
[23:34] <DeVore> ah then all this probably didnt make much sense in the end haha
[23:34] <DeVore> nice of you to confirm to me though
[23:34] <Pikachu> hehe
[23:34] <DeVore>
[23:35] <Pikachu> well, i don't mind
[23:35] <DeVore> I wonder who I was talking to then
[23:35] <Pikachu> cos when there are lamers about
[23:35] <DeVore> well you still have till Monday to come clean , or I'll out you more definitely this time
[23:35] <Pikachu> nah
[23:35] <Pikachu> about this coming clean - do i have to ?
[23:35] <Pikachu> i was working so hard on a webpage :-/
[23:36] <DeVore> a web page addmission?
[23:36] <DeVore> or just another ali g web page
[23:36] <Pikachu> noo
[23:36] <DeVore> ?
[23:36] <Pikachu> ali g webpage
[23:36] <DeVore> By Monday morning, everyone is going to know, so you might as well own up and grab the kudos
[23:36] <Pikachu> like if ppl know its me it takes all the fun out of it, never mind the hatred..
[23:36] <DeVore>
[23:36] <Pikachu> but that sucks !
[23:37] <DeVore> not on my watch besides, you've told people I'm wrong and that wont do... wont do at all!
[23:37] <Pikachu> well...
[23:37] <Pikachu> on monday u can do a post saying you have him - but you can't give the name cos there legal action being taken for him using a hacked a/c or something
[23:38] <DeVore> you mean tell fibs ?
[23:38] <DeVore> moi?
[23:38] <Pikachu> lol
[23:38] <DeVore> oh no...
[23:38] <DeVore> I havent caught you in a while bubbles
[23:38] <Pikachu> your enjoying this !! and rightly so !
[23:38] <Pikachu> its a rare occurence
[23:38] <DeVore> hehehe
[23:38] <DeVore> I enjoyed the chase
[23:39] <DeVore> but the end is nigh
[23:39] <Pikachu> ahh man
[23:39] <DeVore> you play the game you know the rules
[23:39] <Pikachu> you could say the person used my indigo a/c last night - and i'll still post an apoligy to you...
[23:40] <DeVore> so much potentially litigatious stuff mmm
[23:40] <Pikachu> :-/
[23:40] <DeVore> actually you will see why I DO want this to happen in about 2 weeks
[23:40] <Pikachu> well i won't advertise the page on the could boards...
[23:40] <Pikachu> explain ?
[23:40] <DeVore> I cant have people thinking they can post **** and get away with it
[23:40] <Pikachu> "DO" as in what ?
[23:41] <DeVore> this was funny
[23:41] <DeVore> and noone will really care
[23:41] <Pikachu> aye - thats where you say u got him caught...
[23:41] <DeVore> and people will demand to know who
[23:41] <Pikachu> say u can't cos they are being sued by indigo
[23:41] <DeVore> it could still be a laugh rather then a witch hunt
[23:42] <DeVore> noone would believe me
[23:42] <Pikachu> they would
[23:42] <Pikachu> hmmm
[23:42] <DeVore> and they'd scream for a name them
[23:42] <DeVore> and they'd scream for a name them
[23:42] <DeVore> and they'd scream for a name then
[23:42] <DeVore> this way its just a laugh
[23:42] <Pikachu> give them chromes :P
[23:42] <DeVore> lol
[23:42] <Pikachu> ahhh but theres so much more i can do !
[23:42] <DeVore> but people know that despite the best attempts you still got caught
[23:43] <DeVore> sorry bubbs but I have to or every muppet will start
[23:43] <Pikachu> i understand...
[23:43] <DeVore> I'll make you a deal
[23:43] <Pikachu> gah this sucks
[23:43] <DeVore> you post an admission that you got caught and it was fun etc
[23:44] <DeVore> and I'll tell you why its important for me to do this
[23:44] <Pikachu> :-/
[23:45] <DeVore> people already totally believe its you anyway
[23:45] <DeVore> it cant get worse haha
[23:45] <DeVore> but you cant go on making the admins look dumb
[23:45] <Pikachu> i don't mind ppl knowing - you know i don't give a **** - but i don't want most ppl to know yet
[23:45] <Pikachu> ohh thats it
[23:45] <DeVore> for reasons I cant go into
[23:45] <DeVore> yes
[23:45] <DeVore> but not why you think
[23:45] <DeVore> its not an ego thing.
[23:45] <Pikachu> well thats understandable...
[23:46] <DeVore> its a very definite reason
[23:46] <Pikachu> i know its not a ego thing
[23:46] <DeVore> people have to know they cant **** with the boards and not be responsible because as funny as this is
[23:46] <DeVore> next thing it will be Ste with me and kiddieporn
[23:46] <DeVore> or some politician
[23:46] <Pikachu> i totally understand...
[23:47] <DeVore> not really, I need to say more but right now I cant
[23:47] <Pikachu> np's
[23:47] <Pikachu> beb need a piss
[23:47] <DeVore> k
[23:48] <Pikachu> baq
[23:49] Pikachu invents a time machine
[23:50] <DeVore>
[23:50] <DeVore> nope
[23:50] <Pikachu> you just want me to come out full stop ?
[23:50] <DeVore> yup
[23:50] <Pikachu> that hurts man
[23:51] <DeVore> you can make it as funny as you like, say you are starting a webpage to poke the eye of the leading scene figures
[23:51] <DeVore> people would read it like crazy sure
[23:51] <DeVore> to see if they get a mention
[23:51] <Pikachu> yah - but the abuse i would get
[23:51] <DeVore> you're going to get it even if we say nothing
[23:51] <DeVore> besides, the abuse you give is 100% worse haha
[23:52] <Pikachu> lol
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*** Log file closed: 06/02/00 23:52:51

Gordon

what a crap thread this is turning out to be.

DeVore

I'd like to apologise to bubbles. I'd like to say I'm sorry for having slighted him, for having brought his good name into disrepute, for doubting the veracity of his claims and for insinuating that he would EVER muck about on Boards, have second accounts or pretend to be someone else.

I'd like to apologise also for treating him roughly during the Admin move over, for calling him a troll and for implying that his posts were not completely serious and not a proper and true representation of his views or that he would fake logs, adjust them so he appears the wounded party or mix several from various time periods.















I'd like to but I'd be completely lying through my teeth lol! *

DeV.

* (c) Amp

bubbles

Those log entries where taken excatly in order, from my log files. I admit I removed 2 sections of the logs - where I mentioned someone elses involvment who really had nothing to do with it at all (about 7 lines removed)

Don't like what you read? Well, thats excatly how it happened. Of course you can post up your copy of the logs and that will verify that they do match.

I didn't want to drag them up, after all it was a private conversation between you and me, but you said i was caught like a MOFO when that wasn't true.. as you can see I didn't have much of a choice.

Truth hurts?