Clare and Inishturk islands get grant aided satellite internet

LegacyUser

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/finance/2001/0725/fin14.htm

Minister for Public Enterprise, Ms O'Rourke has launched a satellite internet link for Clare and Inishturk islands. The pilot project involves using the V SAT Internet system to provide high-speed access by satellite.

"Three companies have been selected for grant-aid to provide it at the chosen locations: Cedare Software (Ireland) in Castlebar, Co Mayo, Navan Education Centre in Co Meath and the West Offaly Task Force in Co Offaly. "

"The Minister said the Government was committed to rolling out quality internet access throughout the State. "No areas should be at a disadvantage," she said yesterday."


HHmmmmmmm!

LegacyUser

No areas should be at a disadvantage," she said yesterday."
*****, what about north dublin, i want sat interent, what about me,
you talks this ****e while eircum plan to limit adsl to half a city,

dahamsta

Don't talk out your bottom Gladiator, this is a good thing. You might *want* VSAT, but at least you have some form of Internet service already. The Islands don't have it, so the Minister has found a way to let them have it. Would you begrudge them that?

adam

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no I was just listening to her on the news last night, talking about what a shame it was outrage telecom infrastructure in the west is so bad, and something will just have to be done for the poor sheep farmers,

well sorry but I think the outrage is the ****e infrastructure were its in most demand,

she was talking like somebody was picking on the west, were all in the same situation and she shouldn't pretend otherwise

LegacyUser

Gladiator, what are you on about???
Just because this is the first time that Dublin does not get a service at first should mean that everybody in D. goes ape**** now???
Be happy that the first steps are taken by a Minister to find a solution to get everybody in Ireland online.
And as the solution is satellite based the whole thing should spread quickly - after the initial trial phase.
So, IMO a little bit of cautious optimism and greatfulness should be more appropriate now.

LegacyUser

she was acting like everywere in ireland but the west have great telecom access, which is what i have a problem with

dahamsta

No, most of Ireland has a pretty poor access to Internet products and services, at least relative to other European countries. However some areas in the West of Ireland have *no* access to products and services. I'll say it again - would you begrudge them that?

adam

LegacyUser

i dont they could have ntl cable coming out there ass for all i care, its was the ministers atitude to the problem i found so offencive

LegacyUser

Well im sure someone in the west of Ireland would find your attitude offensive.

I say fair play, its about time that these areas get some sort of access.

LegacyUser

how can they, if they dont have internet,

For the 5 ****ing time ive no problem with them haveing internet, i do have a problem with the minister pertending the problem is limited to the west

LegacyUser

The problem of having NO internet AT ALL is mostly limited to the west. Really ultra crappy phonelines that most of the time cant hold a 19200 connection if anything at all.

Youve got a modem and a half decent phoneline. Thats miles better than most of them.

LegacyUser

yea true, and my heart goes out to them, but
lets not pertend there the only ones it just really ****ed me off, what she was saying last night, anybody listening to it would get the impression there was a huge amounth of investment along the east coast

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Shiminay

Gladiator...
As a Mayo man I find you to be a complete toss pot. You lack any coherence in your arguement and come off as quite a muppet.

Let me tell you a little bit about my internet access at home...
It sucks. I have *at most* a 28.8 connection and that's a very good day!

You seem to think that the Minister is showing favouritism to the West - that isn't the case as there was NO internet access AT ALL in some of these areas.

Just because somewhere that ISN'T Dublin is getting something at a subsidised rate (not first, you can get it too you muppet), you're up in arms and not thinking straight.
Also, you're harping on about the DSL stuff - Eircom are NOT a semi-state any more - the government has nothing to do with the running of it.

Get some skillz.

Actually, I had a crack at bringing that V-Sat to everyone who's on these boards cause I know the Boss of Cedar in Castlebar (I used to work there and he gave me a shout because he thought I could make it go).
We were going to package it to gamers, but the price was too much (something like €1600 installation) and latency too high (500 ms).

I'm still thinking about getting it at home anyway - it'd be nice to be able to download at a deacent rate!

I'll get more exact details and post them here is anyone's interested.

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All the best!
Dav
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So Bob Hoskins was about to roll a spliff when in walks Dana with her 3 foot Bong
[honey i] violated [the kids]
When the Beefy King arrives, I shall be paying homage with Puunack The Receiver in a haze of green curry.

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">...anybody listening to it would get the impression there was a huge amounth of investment along the east coast

[This message has been edited by Gladiator (edited 25-07-2001).][/B]</font>

If memory serves me right, Eircom are doing (A)DSL testing at the moment. Where? In DUBLIN!

NTL, who seem to have the only 24/7 system in operation in the country, are operating it where? In DUBLIN!

Pardon me for thinking that the East Coast and Dublin get the benefits/options of technology long before anyone else!

More power to the Islanders. They're entitled to have the net as much as anyone else.

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kharn:
Gladiator...
As a Mayo man I find you to be a complete toss pot. You lack any coherence in your arguement and come off as quite a muppet.

Let me tell you a little bit about my internet access at home...
It sucks. I have *at most* a 28.8 connection and that's a very good day!

You seem to think that the Minister is showing favouritism to the West - that isn't the case as there was NO internet access AT ALL in some of these areas.

Just because somewhere that ISN'T Dublin is getting something at a subsidised rate (not first, you can get it too you muppet), you're up in arms and not thinking straight.
Also, you're harping on about the DSL stuff - Eircom are NOT a semi-state any more - the government has nothing to do with the running of it.

Get some skillz.

Actually, I had a crack at bringing that V-Sat to everyone who's on these boards cause I know the Boss of Cedar in Castlebar (I used to work there and he gave me a shout because he thought I could make it go).
We were going to package it to gamers, but the price was too much (something like €1600 installation) and latency too high (500 ms).

I'm still thinking about getting it at home anyway - it'd be nice to be able to download at a deacent rate!

I'll get more exact details and post them here is anyone's interested.

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and you wonder why i dont want mayo people on the net,

believe what you want,

and ntl have stopped there cable service and we will believe eircoms adsl when we see it

dahamsta

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">As a Mayo man I find you to be a complete toss pot. You lack any coherence in your arguement and come off as quite a muppet.</font>

I guess I'm showing my age, but I hate the fact that "muppet" has become an insulting term, it really gets on my wick. I really wish people would stop misrepresenting the poor Muppets - they were a cute, lovable bunch of cuddly little sods that'd whip Gladiator's butt if it came down to a showdown. The Muppets were cool. Is this one of those "hot is cool" and "bad is good" things? Gods, I'm only 29 like, I'm not *that* old surely?

adam

LegacyUser

id rather not talk about the Muppet wiping incident, it brings back painful memories

o and yea your old

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Delphi91:
If memory serves me right, Eircom are doing (A)DSL testing at the moment. Where? In DUBLIN!
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Correction: South Dublin, ADSL... HA, next year till North dublin sees it, at least.... nomatter what anyone says

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
NTL, who seem to have the only 24/7 system in operation in the country, are operating it where? In DUBLIN!</font>

Correction: South Dublin


We north dubliners are just as off as the rest of the island !! lol

LegacyUser

correction either of them are anywere as neither of them have launched a service

dahamsta

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
o and yea your old[/B]</font>

Least I'm not a twat, eh Gladiator?

adam

LegacyUser

yea but you got a small willy

LegacyUser

LOLOLOL, ah man, the responces in this topic just crack me up so much !!

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kharn:
I'll get more exact details and post them here is anyone's interested.
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Yes!!
Location: West Sligo.

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dahamsta:
Don't talk out your bottom Gladiator, this is a good thing. You might *want* VSAT, but at least you have some form of Internet service already. The Islands don't have it, so the Minister has found a way to let them have it. Would you begrudge them that?</font>

Good for them, all they need now is electricity and a few computers Ohh Im mean...

Kharn - get that vsat info pls. quite interesting it sounds indeed.. Maybe your pal would even be interested in setting up a few national offices.. eh, what, hmm.. bring the goods to the people as it were..

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Bard

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:

you talks this ****e while eircum plan to limit adsl to half a city,

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:

and you wonder why i dont want mayo people on the net,

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
yea but you got a small willy </font>

Above quotes from THIS thread alone. Kindly stop posting this kind of utter crap please, Gladiator, before further action needs to be taken against you.

You really don't want to be banned from boards.ie (again), do you? I've sent you a polite email already within the past while asking you to calm down. I really don't have the time to trawl through the board deleting stupid posts and correcting you time and again, so PLEASE take heed of that email and refrain from posting this kind of garbage.

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Bard

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Stephen

Mm, vsat sounds nice (except for the manky 500ms ping). Any idea if they plan to make it available all over the country, dav?

South East/Kilkenny here

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- Munch

LegacyUser

i didnt start calling people muppets,

Bard

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gladiator:
i didnt start calling people muppets,</font>

That's quite true, but you certainly merited being called a muppet yourself.

Stop posting crap now Gladiator, please.

... and let's keep this thread on topic, please. I, for one, think it's brilliant to see Co. Clare getting decent Internet access at last.

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Bard

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Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

LegacyUser

i never said i didnt want clare to have the internet, i said the minister wouldnt be talkign crap about the rest of ireland,

but i see ill not win this one, so good day to you

LegacyUser

I have been aware of the trials for a while now and did have a chat with someone involved behind the scenes who gave strict instructions not to go live witht the info until after the minister had announced it. So all I got to do now is find the damn piece of paper I wrote it all down on!!!! It is two way satellite and it is being aimed at businesses primarily, but whats to stop afew people chipping in together? I will find the info and post it asap.

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Stephen:
Mm, vsat sounds nice (except for the manky 500ms ping). Any idea if they plan to make it available all over the country, dav?

South East/Kilkenny here

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There is no technical reason why VSAT technology shouldn't be available anywhere in the country -- the satellite footprint covers most of Europe and beyond.

Currently I'm waiting for Tiscali's VSAT satellite Internet, however if I could support the Irish economy and get it from a local provider, that would be even better!

So, what's the phone number of that software company based in Mayo? I'm just a 45 minute drive away from where they are based.

[This message has been edited by Urban Weigl (edited 25-07-2001).]

LegacyUser

Hooray for the Islands ... did you know in Celtic times the Islands off the west coast of Ireland use to be the busy commercial, area of Ireland and not the east (all that fishing and shipping or something made it popular) ... anyway

Wow, are we able to sign up for this NOW? I mean £1,600 for installation may be steep, but it sure is cheaper than a leased line. I assume it's 24:7 access right? And what sort of upload and download speed and is there any limit? 500 ping ain't bad at all for a satellite, I'd be so happy to get it. Please, Please, please post any information people have about these companies' web-site addresses, telephone numbers, prices as soon as you find out.

thx! This forum really is great for getting the latest info on developments of net access in Ireland

LegacyUser

Whilst Tiscali has not officially launched any pricing yet, it is expected that installation for the VSAT will be around £350 (this will be subsidised in order to improve takup). The speed will be 500kbps downstream, 150kbps upstream. Another company worth looking at is Aramiska (www.aramiska.com). They are only going to target SMEs though, and not consumers.

LegacyUser

Monthly charges?

Metered or unmetered?

LegacyUser

Mmm i dont log on for a few hours and when i do i find insults and murder going on, however, i do ahve to add, we all deserve internet access, and in whatever way we have it we have to make do untill someone actually does someting like IO, at least now all of Ireland [i think] is actually connected and the ppl on the south side in Tallagh, Killnamanagh and Templeogue can enjoy the best of this weak, unacceptable, internet access.

LegacyUser

I posted the info for this service many times in the past..... some ppl just seem not to bother looking up past topics ....

I got this email after I asked for specific details about the satellite internet access.....

£2000 installation, £150 a month + additional charges after downloading 466megabytes per month .... a little to expensive for me !

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Thank you for your e-mail 26 June 2001.

The service is not an unmetered service, for the basic monthly fee an end user can download 466 Mbytes and send 46 Mbytes of data per month additional data is charged extra. There is no per minute charge for being online.

Regards,
Douglas Armstrong
Managing Director
Web-Sat Limited
Tel: +353 1 4509480
Fax: +353 1 4505725
www.web-sat.com </font>

LegacyUser

I posted the info for this service many times in the past..... some ppl just seem not to bother looking up past topics ....

I got this email after I asked for specific details about the satellite internet access.....

£2000 installation, £150 a month + additional charges after downloading 466megabytes per month .... a little to expensive for me !

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Thank you for your e-mail 26 June 2001.

The service is not an unmetered service, for the basic monthly fee an end user can download 466 Mbytes and send 46 Mbytes of data per month additional data is charged extra. There is no per minute charge for being online.

Regards,
Douglas Armstrong
Managing Director
Web-Sat Limited
Tel: +353 1 4509480
Fax: +353 1 4505725
www.web-sat.com </font>

dahamsta

So good you said it twice ando?

To be fair, no-on in the thread said it was Web Sat. And the last time I talked to them, they still weren't making the service available in Ireland.

adam

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dahamsta:
So good you said it twice ando?
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woops !! lol

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Neville:
Monthly charges?

Metered or unmetered?</font>

If you're referring to Tiscali/GIlat's service, it will be completely unmetered and always-on for a flat fee. They haven't released this yet, but from what I've heard, it's expected to be £49/month (more in Irish pounds of course).

You won't be allowed to run a server though. Connection will be via a satellite modem with either USB or Ethernet.

LegacyUser

[/topic] ..turning into a slagging match..nothing worthwhile

EDIT

Personal insults have no place here i feel , no doubt most others aggree, good to see them edited out.

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LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Urban Weigl:
it's expected to be £49/month (more in Irish pounds of course).
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Whoooohoooo!!!!



Whats the catch?
At that price, who needs ISDN?

LegacyUser

Originally posted by Gladiator:
yea true, and my heart goes out to them, but
lets not pertend there the only ones it just really ****ed me off, what she was saying last night, anybody listening to it would get the impression there was a huge amounth of investment along the east coast

Well for what it's worth, I have to agree with Gladiator here. Don't get me wrong fair play to the west and hopefully the NW soon(I'm In Sligo)for getting Sat Internet: but as Gladiator said the Minister should have said that Net Access in the WHOLE of Ireland needs a revamp and that they were starting with the West.
Net access is very poor and costly all over and Ms O' Rourke made it sound like only the west had poor access.

Mick.

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Neville:
Whoooohoooo!!!!



Whats the catch?
At that price, who needs ISDN?</font>

There are two issues of concern regarding Gilat/Tiscali satellite Internet:

1. You aren't allowed to run server(s)
2. Ping times can be quite high, meaning it isn't very useful for online games (StarCraft-like games should be fine, but shooters that require quick reactions are out)

Satellite Internet is ideal for web surfing and downloading.

LegacyUser

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by obewan:

Originally posted by Gladiator:

Well for what it's worth, I have to agree with Gladiator here. Don't get me wrong fair play to the west and hopefully the NW soon(I'm In Sligo)for getting Sat Internet: but as Gladiator said the Minister should have said that Net Access in the WHOLE of Ireland needs a revamp and that they were starting with the West.
Net access is very poor and costly all over and Ms O' Rourke made it sound like only the west had poor access.

Mick. </font>

thats my whole point, alot of people here didnt see the report and id guarantee that if they had the very same people calling my a muppet would have been calling for the ministers head


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dahamsta

Gladiator, when you're quoting in replies to posts, please only include the relevant text. Bandwidth is limited enough as it is...

adam

LegacyUser

if you havent anything nice to say....

dahamsta

Gladiator, we're here for a reason - or at least I am anyway - the Internet in Ireland is too slow and expensive, and we're trying to fix it. While it is expensive and slow, fluff on webpages is costing me money - sure, one page isn't going to hurt me, but you do it all the time, and so do a hell of a lot of other people, and it all adds up. I'm asking you to correct your behaviour, in line with good netiquette guidelines. Is that too much to ask?

adam

LegacyUser

actually thats an extremely good idea
we should ask bard to draw up exceptable guidlines for posting to this forum,
some,including myself, are takeing this far to casual, and it doesnt tie in with the image we want to persent

dahamsta

Bard doesn't need to draw up anything - there are Rules, Policies & Guidelines that you agreed to when you signed up, and there are a shedload of resources out there that explain the concept and guidelines of netiquette in detail. Follow the rules and guidelines and you won't go far wrong. And I'm just being honest when I say that you really need to read them Gladiator.

adam

LegacyUser

all you had to say was it was a bad idea