New Non-Line-Of-Sight Wireless Broadband invention, 20 mile range

Urban Weigl

Up to 20 miles NLOS (Non-Line-Of-Sight) radius from base station, 3.2Mbps down and up per subscriber (full two-way system) even to the edge of the cell, already rolled out to up to 97 million people in Mexico -- who can avail of the service from 30 euros per month...

http://www.nextnetwireless.com

However, it can not be rolled out in Ireland because it operates in the 2.5-2.7GHz spectrum, which has all been reserved for Chorus and, in some cases, NTL. Oh well.

K!LL!@N

This is exactly the kind of technology Ireland needs to be pushing for. We need to embrace new technologies like this. 3.2Mb is more than adequate. And do i read right that it's synchronous giving 3.2Mb in each direction? If the latency was good, i'd definitely use something like this.
Surely NTL's licence must be revoked and i'm sure we could revoke Chorus' licence as well. We need to open up that range of the spectrum, letting anyone that wants to provide a service on it to do so. What would IBB/IrishWISP et al, do with this technology?

97 million Mexican's can't be wrong!

Killian

Nuphor

That'd be absolutely perfect. However, given the current legal state with regard to licences, it'd take an age to implement. This should definately be something that IOFL pushes for though.

parasite

why oh why did they give it to chorus ? when was this, have they made any attempt to use it, or is it just to stop someone else using it ?

zynaps

Get those licenses away from them wasters!

longword

I wonder how far you'd get with 802.11[abg] if you were allowed transmit at 2 Watts.

pork99

Originally posted by Urban Weigl
However, it can not be rolled out in Ireland because it operates in the 2.5-2.7GHz spectrum, which has all been reserved for Chorus and, in some cases, NTL. Oh well.

Oh the great feeling of being overtaken by 3rd world countries! Nice one!

yellum

MMDS operates just above the 2.4GHZ band. I'm not sure but there were plans to move the cable resellers licences to other bands, I don't know is it to this band or from this band though.

Its on the comreg site somewhere. If Muck was here ...

Is this an open or proprietary standard, as at the end of the day it could end up costing a fortune. Although if its available to the masses in Mexico. .. Hang on rolled out to 97 Million people in Mexico, thats about the number of net users in the United States. Dodgy.

dahamsta

If Muck was here ...

Where is he yellum?

*koff* BILDERBERG *koff*

heh

adam

PiE

"Rolled out to up to 97m people"

That's probably exaggerated, like eircom saying they've DSL-enabled 500,000 lines.

K!LL!@N

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yellum

The specs for the products are here:

http://www.nextnetwireless.com/products_specs.asp

Anyone know if other manufacturers make gear that can work with this ?

Q How is NextNet's Expedience system different from other broadband wireless solutions?

A: The Expedience™ system is a NLOS Plug-and-Play system with a proven business model for MMDS service provider profitability. It features: the industry's first and only NLOS indoor, portable subscriber unit with a cell radius of up to 20 miles, with greatest throughput to the edge of the cell. This means more subscribers have access to true broadband speeds. In addition, it requires no exterior antenna and no service provider truck-roll for installation. What's more, the Expedience system is truly plug-and-play, with absolutely no software for the end user to load, and no need for the carrier to configure or support the user's personal computer.

Q: Will NextNet's Expedience technology be applied to other Frequency bands in the future?

A: Yes. Initially, this technology is being applied to the MMDS band (2.5 to 2.686 GHz). It is being leveraged into other frequency bands and applications, based on customer demand.

spongebob

if it is not an open 802.xx wireless standard I would not be interested....even if it meant that valuable spectrum was left with those tossers Chorus and NTL

NLOS tech operates up to 11Ghz for some reason I know not, above that the techology must be LOS (Line of Sight)

Comreg should be very picky about allowing operations in these bands and have reserved a chunk at around 5.8Ghz for some funky tech that may do what Chorus and NTL certainly won't. Comreg mused on the matter in this Document

This is the bit that caught my eye back then.

Of the twelve respondents who expressed a view, eight were in favour of increasing the EIRP in the 5725 -–5875 MHz band from the current 25 milliwatts. Two respondents proposed an EIRP of 1 watt, one at least 2 watts and another 4 watts. 1 watt was considered by one respondent to be sufficient to allow cost effective, non-line of sight technology to customers within a 5 to 10 km radius. Another respondent suggested that at least 2 watts was required to enable metropolitan area network (MAN) services such as fast wireless Internet beyond the reach of alternative platforms such as ADSL or cable modems. The 4 watt proposal was based on enabling service providers to address rural and metropolitan services at reasonable cell / network costs. Four of the respondents in favour of higher powers also proposed that the spectrum should be licensed and split into two 75 MHz bands for assignment. One further respondent supported higher power levels but suggested that access be restricted to specific user groups.

Richard Barry is the man to ask I think, or some of the WAN organisers...certainly not me....

M

OHP

Wrong place for this sorth of thread me thinks.


OHP

bk

Originally posted by OHP
Wrong place for this sorth of thread me thinks.


OHP

OHP are you just trying to increase your post count or what?

If you don't like the look of a thread from the title then don't read it, there is no one forcing you.

It is up to the mods to decide what is and isn't relevant.

Personally I'm very interested in WLAN, as are many IOFFL members. Any last mile technology is of interest as we all recognise that the biggest hurdle for BB in Ireland is Eircoms control of the last mile.

In other countries cable competes with DSL and has played a big part in the reduction in price of DSL. In Ireland we don't have cable net access, that is why I believe we should all be doing whatever we can to try and promote WLAN as an alternative in Ireland.

yellum

Any last mile technology is relevant to this forum. See my reply in another thread.

SkepticOne

I agree that wireless last mile solutions are relevent to this forum in addition to the 'wireless' forum.

joec

i have on good advice that chorus are testing a new technology(wireless)........i would say it may be this product.........i was told that the technoloigy was far cheaper for them ect...........

yellum

Haha. Chorus.

spongebob

Originally posted by joec
i have on good advice that chorus are testing a new technology(wireless)........i would say it may be this product.........i was told that the technoloigy was far cheaper for them ect...........

Chorus has their LOS licences taken off them in October 2002 and must have a working D-MMDS product by the 01/03/03 in ALL of their franchise areas. Currently it exists in Limerick only.
Here you may note that ALL the MMDS licences are up for competition on the 01/03/04 irrespective of whether they are providing a service on the wavelengths or not. Only Chorus are currently allowed to offer Broadband on the MMDS frequencies, NTL are not.

If Chorus don't have a working D-MMDS product (Wireless Broadband in and around the 2.5 or 2.6Ghz band) they will undergo a spectrum cull like last October in every franchise area in which they fail to deliver. I am not surprised they are looking into it seeing as it must be at the pilot stage all over the west and the Midlands by the end of THIS month......

The spectrum that Chorus are sitting on is valuable NLOS spectrum and will be probably opened up on a first come / first served basis to operators who will use it.

In yesterdays Sunday Tribune there was a mention of Chorus losing €180 MILLION (I jest not) last year.....mostly from goodwill writeoffs. Choruses goodwill was in negative figures anyway and then underwent a €180Million readjustment for the worse. It also came up in the article that they are negotiating with their bankers for financing going forward.

If they lose some of their spectrum in an important band around 2.5-2.6Ghz then they may very well become immediately unviable and collapse, Comreg will not comment on these matters owing to the commecial sensitivity of the whole thing and Etains mortal fear of the High Court.

Etain would do better if she remembered the praise she heaped oin Chorus .......in a Speech she made down in the bog here in September 2001 on one of her RARE forays into 'Car Driving' range from her office. One year after she praised them and repeated their PR drivel to us down here in the Wesht she stripped the useless tossers of the FWA licences averred to as follows.

One of the other broadband FWA licensees is Chorus who applied for and were awarded £17.1 million from the Government’s national development plan to provide FWA services to the regions, in particular the BMW region including towns Castlebar, Ballina, Sligo, Donegal, Letterkenny and Buncrana. Chorus have started offering their services in parts of the country and are working on the roll out of their network.

This will supplement the MMDS network operated by Chorus to provide wireless television services, including digital services. My office recently published consultation documents which show revised completion dates for digital roll out. Ballina, for example, will have 80% digital coverage by Q1 2003; the Midlands served by MMDS will have 100% digital coverage by Q1 2003 and the MMDS network serving the NorthWest is planned to have 100% digital roll out completed by Q1 2004 . Chorus’ MMDS signal is only one way and users would have to use a dial up connection to complete the two way service required for interactive services. FWA solves this problem.

'Ballina 80% coverage' by now......its 0% Etain same as before you took over the ODTR

M

SkepticOne

Originally posted by Muck
Chorus has their LOS licences taken off them in October 2002 and must have a working D-MMDS product by the 01/03/03 in ALL of their franchise areas. Currently it exists in Limerick only.
Here you may note that ALL the MMDS licences are up for competition on the 01/03/04 irrespective of whether they are providing a service on the wavelengths or not. Only Chorus are currently allowed to offer Broadband on the MMDS frequencies, NTL are not.

If Chorus don't have a working D-MMDS product (Wireless Broadband in and around the 2.5 or 2.6Ghz band) they will undergo a spectrum cull like last October in every franchise area in which they fail to deliver. I am not surprised they are looking into it seeing as it must be at the pilot stage all over the west and the Midlands by the end of THIS month......

Can you point me to the regulation that Chorus will be in breach of if they don't provide two-way (as opposed to one way digital MMDS) services in all their franchise areas?

spongebob

1. Is MMDS licence is for Telly, this is by and large in use and they will keep it.

2. Is for Broadband (FWA or FWPMA in Comreg speak) using MMDS frequencies. These are the frequencies alluded to in the technology which was mentioned in re: Mexico at the start of the thread around 2.5 - 2.7Ghz

To Recap

In the year 2000 4 FWA Broadband Licences were granted. Formus colapsed, Chorus had theirs taken off them in October 2002 , Eircom have theirs and ESAT have some of theirs. ESAT's were selectively culled in October 2002 .

In the year 2000 2 FWA Narrowband Licences were granted. Chorus generally use their WLL licence. It works in Limerick Cork and Dublin.
Eircom have theirs but I am not sure about its deployement , I think 2 more were on offer but nobody got one (or applied .........hint hint ESB)

There is a single licence known as Rurtel ISTR. Eircom got that to swap out RF links for something better. It is a sorta low grade WLL and runs at around 2.3Ghz. They may have used this and not the WLL one, must enquire.

Chorus (in 2000 I think) got a kinda HYBRID FWA (1 only in the country) to run Broadband over MMDS frequencies. This was only activated in Limerick (Powernet) and promised widely in Cork and Dublin. As Chorus licences are awarded by County, Chorus should be relieved of this Broadband/MMDS licence in every county except Limerick.......on the 01/03/2003 from what I hear. They should keep their WLL licence or Narrowband.

If they can get pilot signals out there quick is some vague hope for them. Cork and Dublin alone would be most lucrative franchises. It appears that Chorus may make a typically pathetic effort to do sp ..... it will be the crappiest trial on the planet no doubt.

That is the only way that they can keep their licence in Cork and Dublin ....

M

oscarBravo

Originally posted by Muck
'Ballina 80% coverage' by now......its 0% Etain same as before you took over the ODTR

From a mail I received from Chorus on November 4 2002:

We don't have any plans to bring Powernet to Mayo in the near future. Your only current options would be a satellite link...

oscarBravo

Originally posted by Muck
There is a single licence known as Rurtel ISTR. Eircom got that to swap out RF links for something better. It is a sorta low grade WLL and runs at around 2.3Ghz. They may have used this and not the WLL one, must enquire.

My WLL is running in or around 5GHz, if that helps. They're using Airspan AS4000 kit.

spongebob

Originally posted by oscarBravo
From a mail I received from Chorus on November 4 2002:

Once they admit that they will not use the licence...and you have such an admission for Mayo, then you should immediately complain to Comreg (attention Licencing Division) and demand that Chorus be forced to comply in full with their General Licence conditions for "Narrowband FWPMA in Mayo" by the 28/02/03.

Note the docs I linked in the BMW thread a few minutes back..they are fairly short and readable.

It would be a help if Comreg had their backbone stiffened in this matter

M

pork99

Originally posted by Muck


It would be a help if Comreg had their backbone stiffened in this matter

M

I think it will be necessary to cut out some expensive dead-wood first

oscarBravo

Hmm. I've been doing some digging on this before I write to ComReg and Chorus. I read the Chorus license document Muck linked to, and there are some interesting bits in it:

1.1 The following services are deemed to be Required Services for the purposes of Condition 28.1 and shall be provided by the Licensee within 10 months of the Designated Commencement Date.
[...]

• ISDN Basic Rate
• 'On line' Internet Access
• High speed Internet access (up to 8.9Mbps)

The 'On line' Internet Access tarriff is set to £25 for unlimited always-on access.

I can't find Eircom's FWPMA license, but it seems fair to assume that the terms are the same. I have an Eircom FWPMA line, and they've refused to offer me ISDN on it! Can they do that if the terms of the license require them to offer the product?

Oh and Muck, how the hell do you find anything on the ComReg site??!

spongebob

Timeline

1. October 1999, Broadband FWA or FWPMA licences issued Chorus Eircom ESAT
2. June 2000 Narrowband FWA or FWMPA licences issued Chorus Eircom only.
(Mystery ...Chorus get additional (narrowband with up to 8.9Mbit internet condition ...confused me that) spectrum in MMDS band, it may have been then or slightly later) cannot find anything else .
3. October 2002 Comreg remove Chorus Broadband FWA or FWPMA licence in its entirety and vary the Eircom and ESAT ones
4. December 2002 02/121 and 02/123 , Chorus NARROWBAND and Eircom Narrowband licences are restated......a reminder.
5. Any day now, Chorus served notice the game is up for the Narrowband licences.

If you county does not have a Broadband Wireless service from Chorus (only Clare and Limerick do but try getting them to install it) then do as follows

Write to (snip)

---

Mr Wille Fagan
Regulatory Affairs Director
Chorus
Roxborough Road
Limerick

Dear Mr Fagan,

As you are aware. Chorus is obliged to supply a Narrowband wireless product in "insert my county" under the terms of your General Licence from Comreg.

Please tell me when Chorus will comply with this General Licence Proision in "insert my county" . If you are already compliant, please inform me of how I can apply for this product, marketed as 'Powernet'.

I expect a reply to my request by "one week from date of letter".

Your Sincerely

(snip)

---

Off with those letters by registered post people. One per each of the 26 counties

A failure to reply by Willie or a negative reply is ground for a complaint to Comreg on the "one week from date of letter" date.

M

oscarBravo

Grr. I still can't find Eircom's narrowband license. Surely if Chorus were required to provide ISDN BRA over FWPMA, then Eircom would be required to do so as well?

I've been looking for ISDN for yonks[1], and if Eircom are required to offer it on FWPMA then I'm damned well going to get their arse kicked over refusing to give it to me.

[1] Anyone remember me from the public meeting in the Conrad? I'm the one that pulled Soula up on the [non]universal availability of ISDN!

spongebob

I am not sure ISDN will make it into the next USO, its 2 years away from being a universal obligation.....if ever

I suspect that WLL Radio Telephones circuits, ussued under current licencing, should be capable of ISDN speeds if deployed correctly.

Contact Comreg to find out

1. What licences does Eircom have for Narrowband or WLL or Rurtel ...they have 2 or 3.

2. What are the frequencies allocated for each of these, where are the Base Stations/Access Towers for each

3. What are the minimum channel sizes for each of these in Mhz

4. What bitrate is possible in such a channel , full duplex.

PM me

M

yellum

Originally posted by Muck

Off with those letters by registered post people. One per each of the 26 counties

A failure to reply by Willie or a negative reply is ground for a complaint to Comreg on the "one week from date of letter" date.

Done !

timod

Originally posted by Muck

Please tell me when Chorus will comply with this General Licence Proision in "insert my county" . If you are already compliant, please inform me of how I can apply for this product, marketed as 'Powernet'.

course, we all know what the reply is going to be...

Thank you for your enquiry. we hope to launch Powernet in your area in the next 3 months...

At least that what I got anytime I enquired!

spongebob

they 'could' do so in Cork because they have the Antennae. In most cases they don't have the Antennae and are not allowed to put them up ANYWHERE, EVER as and from January 21 2003

From This Document

...in order to limit the roll-out of the FWPMA narrowband network to the 36 base stations deployed and providing FWPMA services as of August 2002.

In other words, if the tower was up by August last year then they could possibly offer the service. Here are the 36 towers and their nominal coverage in KM SQ


County Base Station Coverage (Sq. km)
Dublin Treasury 314
Clare Ennis x 2 263.74
Clare Woodcock North 282.05
Clare Woodcock South x 2 298.16
Cork Blarney 191
Cork Carrigaline 67
Cork Charleville 106
Cork Churchfield 170
Cork Clonakilty 121
Cork Cobh 9
Cork Cork Airport x 2 170
Cork Kanturk 505
Cork Kinsale 31
Cork Macroom 222
Cork Mallow 41
Cork Midleton 125
Cork Carron1 (Buttevant) 348
Cork Carron2 (Kilmallock) 462
Cork Nowen Hill (Dunmanway) 178
Cork Skibbereen 98
Limerick Newcastle West 476
Limerick Castleconnell 10
Limerick Raheen 10
Tipperary Nenagh 614
Tipperary Keeper Hill 358
Tipperary Roscrea x 2 488
Waterford Clashmore 273
Kildare Dunmurray 1751
Kilkenny Ballyspellan 837
Louth Mt. Oriel 901
Meath Dunshaughlin x 2 488

Th evast bulk of these are in a cluster around Limerick and Cork cities with a smattering elsewhere.

If you are in Donegal or Mayo or Cavan or Westmeath or Galway then there is no tower on the list above.

They may NOT put one up since the 21/01/03

Therefore they cannot possibly Offer you such a service because they DO not and WILL not have a tower in the area......I know its Chorus we are talking about here but I told ye to write to the head of Regulatory affairs who knows all this perfectly well, he's the guy of whom Comreg said in the linked document that

Despite extensive contacts with Chorus, ComReg has been unable to get timely information from the company ....

M

crawler

I MUST keep saying this - "Muck has a big brain".

yellum

Originally posted by crawler
I MUST keep saying this - "Muck has a big brain".

Your username is so apt CRAWLER

MagicBusDriver

lol

fixer

if the 2.5Ghz license were stripped from Chorus, who do you see as willing to spend millions to build a network on this band?

SkepticOne

Originally posted by oscarBravo
I can't find Eircom's FWPMA license, but it seems fair to assume that the terms are the same. I have an Eircom FWPMA line, and they've refused to offer me ISDN on it! Can they do that if the terms of the license require them to offer the product?

From ComReg's recently updated FWPMA licence for Eircom (document), the basic data requirements are:

1. ISDN (Basic Rate).
2. Leased Lines (64 kbit/sec, 128 kbit/sec from launch and 384 kbit/sec within 11 months
from the Designated Commencement Date).
3. Flexible Bandwidth.
4. X25.
5. Frame Relay (128 kbit/sec from launch and 384 kbit/sec within 11 months
from the Designated Commencement Date).
6. IP Packet Services (speeds of 3Mbit/sec within 28 months of the Designated Commencement Date).

It also mentions that tarrifs should be the same as for wired services.

Note also, the fines on pages 14 and 15.

I believe the original licence was issued in 1999 and therefore all these services should be now in place. You are within the coverage area since you are getting basic voice via this licence, yet Eircom are refusing to provide you with this other service namely ISDN.

It would therefore appear that Eircom are abusing their licence to your detriment.

oscarBravo

Originally posted by SkepticOne
I believe the original licence was issued in 1999 and therefore all these services should be now in place. You are within the coverage area since you are getting basic voice via this licence, yet Eircom are refusing to provide you with this other service namely ISDN.

It would therefore appear that Eircom are abusing their licence to your detriment.

Woohoo!! Time to start writing letters!

They did make it clear that the reason they didn't want to give it to me was because their equipment costs would be prohibitively high, but I'm sure that's not an acceptable reason from a regulatory perspective.

yellum

Originally posted by oscarBravo

They did make it clear that the reason they didn't want to give it to me was because their equipment costs would be prohibitively high, but I'm sure that's not an acceptable reason from a regulatory perspective.

Know anyone else on the service ? Get them to write letters too.

As for high equipment costs, just ask them to remind you how much they make an hour , a day and a year.

SkepticOne

This is the original document issued in 1999: http://www.comreg.ie/docs/odtr9940.doc

SkepticOne

Originally posted by oscarBravo
Woohoo!! Time to start writing letters!

They did make it clear that the reason they didn't want to give it to me was because their equipment costs would be prohibitively high, but I'm sure that's not an acceptable reason from a regulatory perspective.

Remind them of the fines and explain how they will be saving money by complying.

oscarBravo

/me takes a break from writing beautifully crafted epistles...

Anyone care to speculate on how this might work out for me: I currently have two lines, one of which is conventionally wired, and the other is WLL. Having established that I should be able to get an upgrade to ISDN, I would ideally replace both these lines with ISDN BRA, which would give me the same two lines, plus the possibility of up to eight phone numbers, etc etc.

The problem I have is that the wired line is a phone number I have extensively advertised as a business contact number, and the WLL is a line I use as the "home" number, as well as for Internet access -- what are the chances of being able to keep both existing numbers once upgraded?

SkepticOne

I'm not an expert here but I can't see any problem with transferring the business number to the WLL service except for Eircom's attitude. First step is establishing that you can get ISDN standard services over the WLL. Deal with the numbering later. I would make some preliminary enquiries with ComReg with regard to what Eircom are obliged to do. Muck will have advice on how to go getting what you are entitled to from Eircom wrt registered letters etc.

I'm also very keen to see if services beyond basic rate ISDN are available. The equipment is capable broadband so why can't you get that?

spongebob

If both number come from the same exchange then there is no problem. EG 091 is Galway 0915 is west of the Corrib 091 7 is east of the Corrib

If you move your business west you cannot take an 0917 number with you.....unless you go to another carrier with the number (portability)

In that case you must

a) Take a new 091 5 number...make sure that directory enquiries have it from the word go as your permanent business number...there is an 1800 number for the Eircom Listings Department which happens to be in Galway and are very helpful people.

b) Get permanent call forwarding in the 091 7 exchange on the 091 7 number (the line henceforth terminates in the exchange but you pay the normal €16+Vat for it) ...but you dont want the 091 7 number to be listed anymore.

c) Pay for calls to be forwarded to the 0915 number as they come in....local call rates. In teh first month you make a point of telling all inbound callers your new number

In time, 1 year or so, you drop the 091 7 number because the traffic has dropped to nothing..... its the only way to maintain business continuity. Hint, my yellow pages here in the house are the 2000 ones.....'

Your numbers may all come from the same exchange and may therefore be transferrable , the 'same exchange is determined by

(excluding the STD code)

1st 3 numbers if a 7 digit number
1st 2 or 3 if a 6 digit number
1st 2 if a 5 digit number

The USO designates Eircom as the maintainer of the Primary Directory Enquiries database so all Directory enquiry systems in Ireland and abroad take their data from the Eircom Listing Department as it happens.

M

oscarBravo

Originally posted by SkepticOne
Muck will have advice on how to go getting what you are entitled to from Eircom wrt registered letters etc.

Yeah, I'm nominating Muck for a medal for services rendered!

I'm also very keen to see if services beyond basic rate ISDN are available. The equipment is capable broadband so why can't you get that?

Good question. For now I'll settle for ISDN. I'm not prepared to pay current rates for I-Stream, maybe when prices fall I'll start to make an issue out of it.

That said, it raises another question: there's a fair bit of interest around here in sharing a broadband connection among 10 or so houses using 802.11. There's no reason why I shouldn't be able to get a 2Mb leased line over WLL, is there? Must look into it.

oscarBravo

Originally posted by Muck
If both number come from the same exchange then there is no problem.

[...]

Your numbers may all come from the same exchange and may therefore be transferrable , the 'same exchange is determined by

(excluding the STD code)

1st 3 numbers if a 7 digit number
1st 2 or 3 if a 6 digit number
1st 2 if a 5 digit number

So I'm cool: both numbers are (094)58xxx.

spongebob

Comreg have JUST retated the terms of Eircoms FWA Narrowband licence...as in Today I think

Here 02/19 is a link. The net effect of the change in the licence is as follows.

Eircom MUST supply ALL the SAME services as in the Wired Network over WLL,

Its on Page 6 in black and white for you Oscarbravo ........So that clearly means that ISDN is available over WLL from Eircom.

The services available over Wireless are

ISDN, POTS , 128k leased symmetric and ......wait for it

ADSl Type Services at 384k

Page 10 is a deBiddyfication clause. Eircom must supply the same "level of customer service" as they would a fixed line customer. If your get any crap from Biddy then this is a further schtick to bate them with over at Comreg.

The coverage targets are set with reference to a Designated Commencement Date, I believe that this is still the 16/06/00 so Eircom are now 30 Months into this licence.

The original licence was issued on the 16/06/00 and This Doc Here 02/18explains what has changed now, 30 months later

Here is the menu

Proposed Part I, Second Schedule to Part 5 of eircom Ltd’s General Telecommunications Licence (FWPMA Narrowband)

· Voice -All the same services as in the wired access network including:
· PSTN:
Customer lines, Domestic PSTN, IDD
· Data:
· ISDN Basic Rate
· Leased Lines (64 kbps, 128kbps from launch, and asymmetric 384 kbps within 11 months from the Designated Commencement Date)
· Flexible Bandwidth
· X25
· Frame Relay (128 kbps from launch, and 384 kbps within 11 months from the Designated Commencement Date)
· IP Packet Services (speeds of 2Mbps within 28 months of the Designated Commencement Date)

good luck with Biddy on monday morning make sure you get her full name (and section details) for the Comreg complaint if she is unaware of her equitable customer services obligation, one cannot let the Biddies carry on being ignorant any longer.

M

SkepticOne

Originally posted by Muck
Comreg have JUST retated the terms of Eircoms FWA Narrowband licence...as in Today I think

Here 02/19 is a link. The net effect of the change in the licence is as follows.

Was put up yesterday as it happens. Interesting to note the fines on pages 14 and 15.

The coverage targets are set with reference to a Designated Commencement Date, I believe that this is still the 16/06/00 so Eircom are now 30 Months into this licence.

Is this not the licence here: http://www.comreg.ie/docs/odtr9940.doc, dating back to 1999?

spongebob

No

The 1999 licences were the FWPMA Broadband licences which were reviewed in October/December 2002 . The 2000 Licences were the FWPMA Narrowband Licences which are currently being reviewed. These licences are what should be taken off Chorus any day now, keep writing those letters to Wille Fagan people:D

Eircoms potted history including their current licencing conditions going forward for the next 7 years or so are detailed below.

Document 02/90R Shows Eircoms Current Licence Conditions for FWPMA Broadband
Document 02/121 Explains the modifications made to these in 2002
Document 03/19 Shows Eircoms Current Licence Conditions for FWPMA Narrowband
Document 03/18 Explains the modifications made to them in 2003

Remember that Narrowband in these licences goes up to 2 Megabits so please don't get sniffy and ignore it .....2Mbit is the absolute dogs in this forsaken island.

Finally, see this quote from Comreg in Document 03/18 page 6. It bodes well for the USO coming up shortly. Comreg issued a licence with certain technological requirements and decided after Slightly under three years that the technology had moved on and that Eircom would not have to supply this service (Centrex) which is how they do big multisite organisations in Dublin like the Corpo Aer Lingus and UCD (01 70nn numbers are Centrex ). Slightly under three years is a lot less than the lifetime of the USO we are still wheezing at thee days.........

The reasons for these proposed changes are as follows: The Centrex service is a service whereby the PABX function is provided by the telecommunications operator at its switch. Technological developments have overtaken this service and it is no longer provided by eircom.

Technological developments have now overtaken the pairgain/line splitter in somewhere between 20% and 35% of Ireland by Land Area. They can supply WLL now.

Is there a map of these FWPMA Antennae anywhere ? It should be on the Cell Locator thingy shouldnt it ? Why should a mobile operator have to contribute to a map of 1.8Ghz devices while Eircom can stick up a 2.3Ghz device and not tell ANYBODY , least of all some poor gobsh1te that they fob off with a pairgain when Eircom could supply WLL from a mast that the poor gobsh1te has LOS to.....if they could check where the masts were. Eircom conceded to Comreg in 03/18 that their existing masts have a Longer range than was agreed less than three years ago thanks no doubt to

Technological Developments

as the report said.

These are the coverage requirements at end Years 1 and 5, we are now nearing the end of Year 3

Coverage

End year 1 5
Geographical Coverage 19% 35%
Population Coverage 25% 70%

Cool ........... now which 20% (possibly as high as 35%) of Ireland should not have pairgains and other line crap because there is an alternative and has been for years.

MAP PLEASE NOW !!!!!

M

oscarBravo

Originally posted by Muck
[...]Is there a map of these FWPMA Antennae anywhere ? It should be on the Cell Locator thingy shouldnt it ? Why should a mobile operator have to contribute to a map of 1.8Ghz devices while Eircom can stick up a 2.3Ghz device and not tell ANYBODY , least of all some poor gobsh1te that they fob off with a pairgain when Eircom could supply WLL from a mast that the poor gobsh1te has LOS to.....if they could check where the masts were.

FWIW, if anyone's in the Ballina area, and you can see the big mast in town (y'know, the huge one behind the train station), you have LOS for WLL. You don't need the LOS from ground level, just from any wall where the dish can be mounted. Watch out for trees in the way.