Coloured People Make the best Music...

Manics

Am I wrong? No. One of the guys I shared with was coloured - sos im speaking from experience. He could sing and rap better than any of the Irish lads, its just in their blood. If you look at most of the music in the charts and on telly today, all the best stuff is by coloured people. I know theres other good stuff as well, most of the techno fellas are white, but generally...what do y'all think?:)

Shorty

Coloured? Like green and blue and purple?

Kali

ahh surely that post has to be a pisstake... nobody could be that narrowminded

<sarcasm>
wow yeah, and sprinting and basketball.. they're great at that too.. amazing, must be because after years of oppression they're full of a strong determination to succeed at whatever they turn their hand to.
</sarcasm>

Pearl

If we weren't all coloured we'd be transparent.

Kali

that'd be cool.. you'd finally be able to see what coke does to your insides

Manics

What's your problem? I'm takking about music.... what do you call them ..black, whatever, I'm talkin about music! Your draggin poletics into it... Ireland's a different place now and I think thats great, I'm just trying to get on withit.

Music - there's great music around here. That's what I want to talk about

Tara

Manics, if you are trying to get with it, "coloured" really isn't a good word to use to describe people.

Kali

Whats my problem? You're equating the colour of somebodys skin with a perceived musical ability.. its almost laughable in its stereotyping... never mind the actual racist undertones, "their blood" etc.
Plus it helps when attempting a debate to give examples..

Wools

Reckon you're talking pooh there manics. In the grand scheme of things, for every excellent black performer, we could give you an excellent white performer, and if we were up to speed, an excellent Asian - South American - whatever - performer to match.

You've brought your taste in music down to dividing it by race.

joey D

It's idiotic to think black people make better make music than white people... although it does remind me of that excellent series on Channel 4 a couple of years back, the history of hip hop and rap (its exact title escapes me), anyway, Ice T was going on about Vanilla Ice, and when 'Ice Ice Baby' was no.1. Apparently Vanilla Ice was wont to describe himself as 'street', i.e. a credible and mean rap artist with roots in the ghetto or whatever. Ice T said "He thinks he's street? What f***ing street is he from, Sesame Street?"

acquiescefc

And on that bombshell

Manics

aLL i'M SAYIN IS THAT LOOK AT ALL THE RAPPERS. aLL THE BEST ONES ARENT WHITE...THERE COLOURED OR BLACK OR aFRICAN OR WHATEVER...EVEN dR dRE THOUGHT eMINEM was black before he met him. Its a fact! It was in a documentary onMTV last weekend. aND ALL OF YOU ARE ALL SO UP FOR IT AND KNOW THE RIGHT WORDS FOR THIS AND THAT BUT WHAT ARE ANY OF YIS DOIN TO HELP THEM? THERES LOADS OF BLACKS AND CHINEESE AND ROMANIANS MOVED INTO WHERE i LIVE - I KNOW LOADS OF THEM. hOW MANY DO YOU KNOW. wHAT ARE ANY OF YOUS DOIN TO LET THEM PLAY AT YOUR GIGS IN wHELANS AND da2 and eammon dorans and all that. Have any of yous gone up to them and welcomed them or tried to invite them to your gigs? Have any of yous even asked if they wanted to be in a band with you? Do ye think they even know of Phantom FM. They do cause I told saome of them about it - but do play any of there demos? Did yis even ask them? It easy for you 'casu you all live here...your part of this. How do you think they feel? So don't gimme your correct language and all that...spare me. Thanks. Now can we talk about MUSIC!

the fnj

I think your caps lock key is broken!

Shorty

nvwihtrgiarbfipaibgcabfbvypqnvsbyi...the whole thing was made entirely out of rubber! nanafdhqgpg svbwlrqpbvba agrqnvaahv
Snake! Snake! mbnfgaczweqoewqtpmbviaunagye owefhbadgb Cairo!!! qoriq bqiug gfkjsb shguyi sdfuirqpfrmavndgo ...poisonous monkey... bxbvuyge eqihgrpritn suhdg basoiepfn pqhr urqptrb repiqg iagpqn hfi...like a giant marshmallow! bzfg abergoqe qerypqb rpeg mghjo ternv ...fingerless gloves were essential... fvvvsnttiuwk ioufrbdisog uaoufcalo uoaf yfgjhd bxnruikfjdbgipqea iaur aiprgbrq A lorryload of interesting cheeses... kdsfoigw ierow grqufr. I'm afraid that I was very... very... drunk.

Go on, just say thats what it was. You did post at 02:43 in the morning.

Wools

Originally posted by Manics
Have any of yous gone up to them and welcomed them or tried to invite them to your gigs?
Do ye think they even know of Phantom FM.

At one of the recent gigs we played, there were quite a few asian people at it - and they were the most responsive to the show, they gave it loads. Fair play to them. They said they know of phantom as well, as we were being played at the time.

On a different note, there was about 10 deaf people up the front too. And they actually came up and said they really enjoyed it as well. That rocked

the66electric

Originally posted by Manics
coloured

Muppet.

Manics

Why are yous all attackin me? Maybe yer all in college and youve been told loads about it. I haven't - all I know is what I see. All I'm doin is telling yous my opinion. I thought thats what yous did here. But all I'm gettin is abuse. The only person that's said anything that made sense was Tara... don't attack me - tell me. EXPLAIN THE WAY IT IS. sHARE YOUR EDUCATION. wOOLS THAT'S GREAT ABOUT ORIENTALS GOING DOWN TO YER GIG. ...AND DEAF PEOPLE.... ALTHOUGH IF THEY COULDNT HERE WHY WERE THEY THERE? Are yis an art show or what?

the66electric

Muppet.

Kali

I think its safe to say this is definitely a pisstake now.. or a 10 year old, as nobody in their right mind would use "if its on mtv it must be true" as an argument...

shay

In Manics defence, I only found out about 6 months ago that the term "coloured" was an offensive one - that doesn't make me racist just because I'm not up on the lingo.
Therefore, calling him/her names cause that term was used is a little harsh methinks......

kirn

i think generalising by race is worse than getting 'the lingo' wrong.

as 66 said; muppets.

the66electric

Yip.

joey D

I'm surprised no-one posted the obligatory dictionary definition of racism, here goes:


racism

n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

Therefore he's being racist against white people, right?

Pigman II

Originally posted by Manics
Am I wrong? No. One of the guys I shared with was coloured - sos im speaking from experience. He could sing and rap better than any of the Irish lads, its just in their blood. If you look at most of the music in the charts and on telly today, all the best stuff is by coloured people. I know theres other good stuff as well, most of the techno fellas are white, but generally...what do y'all think?:)

Yeah, I gotta agree with you there. Green people make the best pop-music but transparent people make the worst trolls.

Monkey

"Maybe yer all in college and youve been told loads about it. I haven't" - ah come on that's bollocks

Manics

I'M NOT ****NI' RACIST! HOW THE HELL AM I RACIST? WHAT DID I SAY THAT WAS RACIST? WHAT? NOTHING. I dont care what people do. Where there from or anything. All i'm talking about is MUSIC. MUSIC. MUSIC. TELL ME WHAT I SAID WAS RACIST. TELL ME WHY IM A MUPPET. I LIKE CERTAIN TYPES OF MUSIC AND THAT MUSIC IS MADE BY BLACK PEOPLE. THEY GO ON ABOUT THAT THERE BLACK. NOT ME. THEY SAY IT IN THERE WORDS. THEYRE PROUD OF IT JUST LIKE IM PROUD OF BEEN IRISH. ITS BLACK MUSIC AND BLACK PEOPLE DO IT BEST. HOW AM I RACIST? YOURE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT PUT AT MATE OF MINE AND HIS GIRLFRIEND OUT OF A JOB. THEY WORKED THE JACKS IN ONE OF THE BIG BARS IN TOWN - IM CANT SAY WHERE CAUSE IT WASNT THE BARS FAULT - BUT PEOPLE COMPLAINED THAT THEY WERE WORKIN THERE AND THE BAR STOPPED THE JOB. THATS A JOB FOR THEM THEY GOT PAID WELL AND PEOPLE GAVE OUT ABOUT IT CAUSE THEYN WERE BLACK. PEOPLE SAID THE BAR WAS RACIST. IF THEY WERE WHITE AND FROM BALLYMUN NO ONE WOULD HAVE SAID A THING. ..BUT PEOPLE WITH AN EDUCATION AND PEOPLE WITH MONEY ALWAYS THINK THEY KNOW BEST. SOUND. HERE 66ELECTRIC - DO YOU HAVE ANY REPLIES THAT ARE MOE THAN FOUR WORDS? GET OFF YER HIGH HOURSES - WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. IS THERE NO ONE IN THIS PLACSE THATLL GIVE ME A BIT OF SUPPORT HERE? AND KALI I DIDNT SAY IF IT WAS ON MTV ITS TRUE. QUOTE ME - TRY READING WHAT ISAID. I WAS QUOTING DRE. IF I QUOTED DRE AND IT WAS BROADCAST ON NCHANNEL 4 WOULD IT BE ALRIGHT - WOULD THAT BE TRUE? YOU BUY INTO MIDDLECLASS PROPAGANDA - TVSTATIONS, NEWSPAPERS, YOU KEEP THE STATUSQUO - TRY AGAIN ... TRY A LITTLE BIT OF LIFE OUTSIDE YOUR BEDROOM.

Pigman II

Originally posted by Manics
I'M NOT ****NI' RACIST! HOW THE HELL AM I RACIST? WHAT DID I SAY THAT WAS RACIST? WHAT? NOTHING. I dont care what people do. Where there from or anything. All i'm talking about is MUSIC. MUSIC. MUSIC. TELL ME WHAT I SAID WAS RACIST. TELL ME WHY IM A MUPPET. I LIKE CERTAIN TYPES OF MUSIC AND THAT MUSIC IS MADE BY BLACK PEOPLE. THEY GO ON ABOUT THAT THERE BLACK. NOT ME. THEY SAY IT IN THERE WORDS. THEYRE PROUD OF IT JUST LIKE IM PROUD OF BEEN IRISH. ITS BLACK MUSIC AND BLACK PEOPLE DO IT BEST. HOW AM I RACIST? YOURE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT PUT AT MATE OF MINE AND HIS GIRLFRIEND OUT OF A JOB. THEY WORKED THE JACKS IN ONE OF THE BIG BARS IN TOWN - IM CANT SAY WHERE CAUSE IT WASNT THE BARS FAULT - BUT PEOPLE COMPLAINED THAT THEY WERE WORKIN THERE AND THE BAR STOPPED THE JOB. THATS A JOB FOR THEM THEY GOT PAID WELL AND PEOPLE GAVE OUT ABOUT IT CAUSE THEYN WERE BLACK. PEOPLE SAID THE BAR WAS RACIST. IF THEY WERE WHITE AND FROM BALLYMUN NO ONE WOULD HAVE SAID A THING. ..BUT PEOPLE WITH AN EDUCATION AND PEOPLE WITH MONEY ALWAYS THINK THEY KNOW BEST. SOUND. HERE 66ELECTRIC - DO YOU HAVE ANY REPLIES THAT ARE MOE THAN FOUR WORDS? GET OFF YER HIGH HOURSES - WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD. IS THERE NO ONE IN THIS PLACSE THATLL GIVE ME A BIT OF SUPPORT HERE? AND KALI I DIDNT SAY IF IT WAS ON MTV ITS TRUE. QUOTE ME - TRY READING WHAT ISAID. I WAS QUOTING DRE. IF I QUOTED DRE AND IT WAS BROADCAST ON NCHANNEL 4 WOULD IT BE ALRIGHT - WOULD THAT BE TRUE? YOU BUY INTO MIDDLECLASS PROPAGANDA - TVSTATIONS, NEWSPAPERS, YOU KEEP THE STATUSQUO - TRY AGAIN ... TRY A LITTLE BIT OF LIFE OUTSIDE YOUR BEDROOM.

Amateur! Back to Troll 101 with you.

Amz

I like the red jelly babies best and then the green ones the others aren't too nice....

Remember jelly babies are people too!

(Did i miss the point of this??)

Tyrrial

Manics.... you can always just plead temperary insanity....

but we all must thank Manics for bringing together such a great force against racism! if it wasn't for People like Manics we would never have come together in such a strong way....




of course if there weren't people like manics we wouldn't need to but thats not the point

Shorty

No Amz you didn't miss the point.

LOL!!! This is hilarious.

Best thread EVER!

Splatz

I'm inclined to agree with Shay on this one.

Sure, the guy is a bit dim-witted, but the hostility needs to be toned down a bit; you're asking for double standards if you're gonna berate the guy for sounding racist one second and then start calling HIM potentially offensive names the next.

Manics: watch your words and your thinking; classing one race as superior is what started Hitler rolling.

And, my, did he roll...

tony 2 tone

Some one delete this topic soon, please for the children! Oh won't somebody think of the children.....and grammar!

thedrowner

Originally posted by Shorty
nvwihtrgiarbfipaibgcabfbvypqnvsbyi...the whole thing was made entirely out of rubber! nanafdhqgpg svbwlrqpbvba agrqnvaahv
Snake! Snake! mbnfgaczweqoewqtpmbviaunagye owefhbadgb Cairo!!! qoriq bqiug gfkjsb shguyi sdfuirqpfrmavndgo ...poisonous monkey... bxbvuyge eqihgrpritn suhdg basoiepfn pqhr urqptrb repiqg iagpqn hfi...like a giant marshmallow! bzfg abergoqe qerypqb rpeg mghjo ternv ...fingerless gloves were essential... fvvvsnttiuwk ioufrbdisog uaoufcalo uoaf yfgjhd bxnruikfjdbgipqea iaur aiprgbrq A lorryload of interesting cheeses... kdsfoigw ierow grqufr. I'm afraid that I was very... very... drunk.

Go on, just say thats what it was. You did post at 02:43 in the morning.

brilliant shorty....brilliant!!!!

this is a hilarious thread. i still havent worked out whether he/she's bn serious or not.

Manics

whats wrong with yous? did anyone read what i wrote at all? ARe yu TALKING TO ME OR SOMEONE ELSE? WHERE WAS I BEEN RACIST? QUOTE ME! ****IN AMATEUIR? AT WHAT? BEEN A PRICK?
QUOTE ME WHERE I WAS RACIST! QUOTE ME! i FYOUR ALL SO RIGHT ON - SHOW ME. DIM-WITTED? WHERE THE **** DO YOU GET OFF CALLIN ME DIM - WITH YOUR NEITCHE QUOTES. HOW ABOUT YOU BRING ABIT OF INTELLIGENCE INTO THIS - QUOTE ME AND EXPLAIN TO ME WHY I'M RACISTS. ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED YOUS BEFORE. STOP TALKING GIBBERISH. WAKE UP AND THINK!!! SHOW ME WHERE I WAS RACIST!!!!

thedrowner

Originally posted by joey D
I'm surprised no-one posted the obligatory dictionary definition of racism, here goes:


racism

n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races

Therefore he's being racist against white people, right?

the fnj

Can we stop responding to this muppet?

Manics we will debate this with you when you learn to turn off that green light beside caps lock and learn to space out your paragraphs.

Honestly, it's so hard to read what you’re trying to type.

Wools

Yeah manics

learn to spell/type/stop being a negative racist

prick

Manics

Is this easier to read? Now will yous answer my questions.

the66electric

Originally posted by Manics
HERE 66ELECTRIC - DO YOU REALISE HOW RIGHT YOU WERE? I AM SUCH A STUPID CLOWN AND I SHOULD **** OFF AWAY FROM INTELLIGENT THOUGHT

You said it bro. there's a KKK rally in the deep south that you could hook up with. maybe they'll be burning a lower case t.

the66electric

I am laughing so hard that i may vom...

Manics

Hello. Thank you all for your anti-racist comments. They are very much appreciated. My name is Chindu and I am from Nigeria. I have been in Ireland for 2 years. Manics has asked me to read this thread and cast my opinion on it, though my ethnicity and skin colour do not give me any expertise on the topic by default.

I believe that the sentiment expressed by most posters is positive and well-meaning and this, I believe, bodes well for the future.

I do not wish to be enthralled in direct debate. I do wish, however, to defend my friend from the allegations of racisim that are being pitched at him. I have known Manics since I arrived in Ireland and I can certainly state that he is not, by any means, a racist. Having read the threads attached I can understand, perhaps, how he has been misconstrued. I live with my family in the North Central area of Dublin. Manics and his family have been here for several generations. There has been tensions between the many communities here, but both Manics, and his family, are part of the indigenous community who have mads efforts to welcome us.

So I would ask you to perhaps read his previous posts with this in mind and to take as given that no bad intensions were meant. Manics has asked me to add, and I concur, that he is well able to defend himself - and this is an exception!

Thanks you for your time,

Chindu Onjalem.

joey D

wtf?

helenloves

Chindu, I think you need to be careful as to how people are perceived. Just because you don't think he's racist doesn't mean he's not. No offence but there are very few of us who are authorities on racism. I respect you for standing up for your friend, though.:)

the66electric

Jesus this thread has taken a turn i did not expect. I am so ****ing intrigued i may die...

lamda

Ohhh isn't this nice?? I feel like im on NewsNight!!!:D

Kali

I think someone got confused between the Phantom FM boards and the Adrian Kennedy phone FM104 show thing .. this is all quite surreal

Manics

Look, i wasnt trying to piss everyone off. Im sorry if i got my lingo wrong. I just wanted to see if there was anyone else who was intrested inhip-hop and rap and stuff. Thats all. And i thought this would be a good place. So thats all. I didnt mean to get all pissed off. I wont post anything else if yous dont want me to. Good luck.

o sleep

god no! please, keep posting, as long as you keep it entertaining. this is, perhaps, the funniest thread i've read in a long time. perhaps my favourite (after manics stopped shouting) was when chindu came in. it's like when people say 'i'm not homophobic, i'm mean i have friends who are gay, but what i understand is why ...'

Morn

Manics, I think there are two key points to why people are reacting harshly to your enquiry.

First off the usage of the term 'coloured' - the point is that everyone is coloured and hmm there are no good words here really either - I think black is generally seen as acceptable. African-American works (ish) except we're not American. African-European perhaps? Oh I don't know. The point, Manics, is that you are coloured, I am coloured and your friend is coloured - to refer to black people as coloured implies that you are normal and they are different - never a good thing.
But really they're just words - it is entirely the intention behind them that counts.

The other point was about you referring to whether or not black people write better music - the whole point about racism is that it maintains we're all equal so therefore questions like this aren't valid. I do think that it is not unreasonable to discuss whether people from a certain culture are, in your opinion, stronger songwriters - whether or not people like to admit it there is a separate culture in America for a lot of black people - I'm probably phrasing this all wrong and I'm going to collect my own share of racist awards for this post but I think it needs saying.

So yeah, when you have a fairly closed community and they share a common interest in a type of music (like you mentioned hip-hop) then I think it is reasonable to discuss aspects of their music. To use a non-race related parallel - it's like discussing people who learn to play jazz in New Orleans - of course not everyone plays jazz there by any means - but there is a definite culture in place and for someone who is learning jazz, there is just a lot more out there to help you grow musically.

Okay y'all can go ahead and shoot me now, but I think Manics original post was badly phrased rather than just bad...

Shorty

Originally posted by Morn
Okay y'all can go ahead and shoot me now, but I think Manics original post was badly phrased rather than just bad...

What!?! No it wasn't, it was comedic genius!

helenloves

I think Morn has posted the most comprehensive answer yet. I have to agree with you. At the end of the day words and terminology go in and out of fashion. It's important to determine the semantic bounaries of a word through debate and then, when it is realised that the definition attributed to a word within a specific context can no longer sustain a concept within that debate- then it is time to introduce and refine your terminology (i.e. from negro, to coloured to black to Afro-American/European and so on). This is a continuous process.

At the end of the day Manics seemed to be saying that the music he prefered came from a particular culture - that of African American. His use of the term coloured is dated. It does not make him a racist. Looking over the thread I cannot find an instance where Manics stated or suggested that any race or ethnic group was superior to another. He did suggest that he believed that the best hip-hop came from an African-American culture. That's less an issue of racism that it is musicology.

What is more dangerous, in my mind, is institutional racism. Where people are so sure that they are not racist that they become blind to their inherent racism and that found in schools, colleges, workplaces, families and so on. It is very easy, I think, to be righteous and use the correct terminology and believe you are anti-racist. It is a more important excerise to admit you are inherantly racisit and become aware of it in your everyday decisions.

So Manics, how about this for a question. You said you were not being racist in any of you comments and I agree with you. But if you accept that everyone is inherently racist, can you see where your racism manifests itself?:cool: