So what would YOU do with Tim Allen?

DeVore

Ok, so you have the power of judge jury and executioner.

Tim Allen has pleaded guilty with the specifics of the case as detailed in real life.

You get to sentence him and your sentence cannot be appealed.

What would you sentence him to?


Now, you are not resticted to the sentences available to modern judges.... you can declare his sentence to be anything you can think of... from Freedom to Death by Quartering or worse.

For the purposes of this thread.... please do NOT comment on other peoples posts. No arguments or challenges, everyone gets to have his or her opinion uncontested (you can argue on the other thread).

Just state (as briefly as possible) what you would have prescribed if you had been the judge and had free reign over the "sentence".


DeV.

Occidental

Liquidate his assets and give the money to kids charities.

Thorbar

Force him to work for the rest of his life aiding children who are victims of abuse.

Bard

Put him in jail with a minimum sentence to be served of 10 years.

PH01

Since he's rich, I think it would be good if he severs all links the the Allen family business for the rest of his working life (about 18 months).
Oh! that has already happened? Oh, then he's forgiven. Lets all go back to the cookery school and buy more Simply Delicious books.

He was unlucky not to get a jail term.

Talliesin

9 months with 6 suspended.

(He had been seeking help, so I would have given him a relatively light sentence. I wouldn't have let him away altogether though).

I would also have fined him around €50,000 which I would have given to those who try to track down and rescue children involved in child pornography.

If any of the children abused were found then they could of course bring a civil suit against him. Damages would of course vary according to what had been done to that child, but I wouldn't consider all of the abuse the child had been subjected to by the traders, not just that involved in the individual photographs involved, since he was funding all of the abuse. €100,000 would probably be a minimum.

mike65

Tim Allen should be required to work with abused children under supervision for 10 years, his assets (NOT his families) should be spent on helping abuse victims for 10 years. Thereafter 50% of all earnings for the rest of his life should go to those who work with abused children.

Mike.

Pepe LeFrits

2 years in prison.

Ajnag

Sit him on the Oçonnel street spike with lead on his feet, and leave for a month.

DeVore

Can we keep jokes/silly suggestions off this thread please? I've already deleted Bostons suggestion that he be sent to Limerick, I'm leaving ajnaG's as it shows a certain vitriol which at least indicates his feelings in the matter.

DeV.

kaimera

so some of you would put a guy who looks at kiddie porn working with the abused kids he was looking at?

sure...that'll sort him out. pffft

All thats doing is feeding his desire.

as with all kiddie-philes...shoot him

BuffyBot

2 years prison and continuing supervision/therapy

daveirl

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Turner

2 years in jail, 12 months suspended and a means tested fine. (on what he could afford as im sure he could well afford 5 times what he paid).
The money going to the people who track and disable child porn websites/servers.

12 months suspended as he was seeking help for his problem.

daveirl

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ykt0di9url7bc3

12 months in pyschiatric care, then 200 hrs of comunity sevice labour...

re-offending results in his amputation of his dick and balls and permanent pysch care

hussey

Let him be abused and then take photos of him

Then he might know the meaning of abused

or

Give him absolutly no money,
wife and kids want nothing to do with him,
and let him live in shame

daveirl

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Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i think maybe a short mild jail sentence, a year or two of community service..and therapy, paid for out of his own pocket until his therapist thinks he is ready to end the sessions.


and of course, money paid towards helping child abuse victims and tracking down the perps of the abuse.

what he did was bad, but it wasn't evil imo.

Beruthiel

1 years suspended sentence, which would be implemented if he should happen to re-offend

as Mordeth said, a therapist until he has been given the all clear,
his children should also be given some therapy (god knows what they are going through!)

200 hours community work

60,000 eurons to go to childline

I know sending him to jail would make him think twice , but it wouldn't fix the underlying problem of why he did this in the first place, hence therapy is necessary in getting to the root of his problem, it beggars belief how a man who has children could do this, I feel really sorry for them, they will live with the consequences of his actions for a long, long time.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

mm, on the subject of the fines...

you say 60k beruthiel... what about the next person this happens to..

if they are fined, how much will they be fined? if they are richer than mr allen, or not as rich? .. should it be a sliding scale depending on income, like taxes..

or should there be a set limit for the crime, and if you can't pay it you go to jail? but then that sets the stage for "one rule for the rich.. etc etc"

i think a fine is a good idea, but the amount and how that amount is arrived at .. still not sure about that

Jak

An insulated year in jail, a fine - to whoever, and psychiatric parole of some sort when released.

Mad_Patrick

I think the sh!t he's going through right now + a bit of a fine to be given to abused kids is punishment enough. At the end of the day he probably can't really help what floats his boat. He should definately get psychotheripy so he can resist urges to fund the sick bastards who do this sh!t to innocent kids. But then that's just my opinion.

Clintons Cat

18 months in an open prison would seem appropriate.

growler

life imprisonment with no possibility of parole , throw away the key on the pervert , the world would be a better place without him

Mad_Patrick

He looked at a few pictures Growler, lets not get carried away here

scojones

I think the minimum sentence for looking at child porn should be 3 years + €250,000 fine to pay, with no appeal. This should be for the small cases, however looking at gary glitter I think people like him should get 10-12 years and €500,000 fine. Also when they come out they should not be allowed to use a computer that has net access for a further three years.

b20uvkft6m5xwg

3 months in Prison
Max Fine (1500 euro I think!?)
50k Donation to the Poor Box

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I presuming he does not have any "priors"

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The mere fact he would have to serve a custodial sentence is enough IMO- anyone suggesting beyond 6 months is being a bit extreme in the circumstances- given it was a District Court Case and also the Max Sentence is 12 months.

Thats not to say I dont advocate the introduction of a new Sentencing Scale for such offences. I hope the govt strike a balance between the varying degrees of culpability in Sexual Offences though. Although Paedophelia is a premeditated criminal act with countless victims, there must be a distinction between this and the likes of Ivan Payne and serious Sexual (Physical)Assaults on Children. The later warranting even tougher sentencing.

JustHalf

I think he should be forced to watch every episode of Tool Time as punishment for foisting that monstrosity upon the world.

[Wrong guy JH... Got an actual opinion on this? - DeV]

BEAT

are you talking about Tim 'the toolman taylor' allen?
I havnt heard about this, what happened and when?

regi

I think the minimum sentence for looking at child porn should be 3 years + €250,000 fine to pay, with no appeal

Erm... why shouldn't they be allowed to appeal?

Victor

Originally posted by Chief---
2 years in jail, 12 months suspended and a means tested fine. (on what he could afford as im sure he could well afford 5 times what he paid). The money going to the people who track and disable child porn websites/servers. 12 months suspended as he was seeking help for his problem.

I would generally concur with this, plus therapy. I presume he goes on the sex offenders register. We need to get away from fixed maximum fines in this country and go for means tested ones.

The possibility of an internet ban is tempting, but how would you enforce it?

daveirl

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rob1891

I believe the ban on Kevin was found unconstitutional, though don't quote me on that!

(on the grounds of freedom of association)

edit: I thought I might check my sources

In June of this year Kevin was sentenced for certain admitted violations of his supervised release and for possession of unauthorized access codes. The court imposed a sentence of 22 months instead of the 32 months sought by the government. Since Kevin has been in custody since his arrest in February 1995, this sentence has been satisfied. We are currently preparing a request for release on bail.

During this stage of the proceedings, the government sought to impose restrictions on Kevin's access to computers which were so severe as to virtually prohibit him from functioning altogether in today's society. The proposed restrictions sought to completely prohibit Kevin from "using or possessing" all computer hardware equipment, software programs, and wireless communications equipment. After arguments that such restrictions unduly burdened Kevin's freedom to associate with the on-line computer community and were not reasonably necessary to ensure the protection of the public, the court modified its restrictions by allowing for computer access with the consent of the Probation Office. Nonetheless, the defense believes that the severe restrictions imposed upon Mr. Mitnick are unwarranted in this case and is, therefore, pursuing an appeal to the Ninth Circuit.

http://www.kevinmitnick.com/about.html

From above you can see that the restriction was determined to not be necessary to ensure the protection of the public. I would wonder how this would be argued about in a case against viewer of child pornography ....

anyway, go on with your sentencing!!

Chowmein

Admitted into a mental hospital locked ward and given treatment on till 3 different Psychologists/Psychiatrists deem his treatment complete. After this a 6 month open prison sentence and a fine of 25% of his personal assets imposed and used to fund child centred organisations. Internet access revoked for a further 2 months.

Upon second conviction repeat with double the figures above.

If third conviction occurs, lock him in a 10mX10m and throw a white phosphorus grenade in with him.

Hellrazer

In the real world-lock him up for at least 5 years.5 years should be a mandatory sentence.

Given any punishment without question

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Castration

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whether it be chemical or physical.Wont get any more urges after that will he???????

DeVore

REMINDER:

This thread is for you to post *whatever* punishment you would have handed down as the judge, completely unrestrained by todays sentencing standards. You can sentence him to anything you like without fear of question.

Also, Daveirl, can you discuss peoples posts on the other thread, I dont want this thread to become tainted by people thinking what they post will be ripped into or deemed "sane".

I dont think you or I have the wisdom to decide if one post is "sane" or not.

Each post should be solely your opinion on the sentence you would have handed down.

Noone should have more then ONE post on this thread. Except me obviously...

DeV.

Hellrazer

Originally posted by DeVore



Noone should have more then ONE post on this thread. Except me obviously...

DeV.

Me thinks the saying is : "Absolute power corrupts absolutely":)

Velvet Vocals

I have a theory about why he got such a light sentence in a society that is calling for blood. His sentence is setting precedence for all future cases... i.e. the case of a certain Judge that will be up in court for similar offences pretty soon.
Just what I think may be the case.
It is getting a bit out of hand though, I actually think his sentence was a fair one. I know what he did was wrong but not as wrong as actually abusing a child.
It's a very sensitive subject and people have very emotional opinions about it, but we have to stop and think before we lynch someone.

DapperGent

One year suspended sentence, to run consecutively with any other sentence he might get for reoffending.

Fine of 25% of current assets + 10% of income until he starts drawing a pension. All of which would go to bringing child pornographers to justice and helping their victims.

Therapy with a court appointed councilor/shrink for a five year period.

Sex offenders list for life.

DeVore

Originally posted by Hellrazer
Me thinks the saying is : "Absolute power corrupts absolutely":)

Actually Hellraiser I was pointing out that I have already posted once of this thread but my role as Admin (and thread starter!) leads me to have to remind people to ONLY post their opinion of what his punishment should have been.

Clearly this requires me to post more then once

Anyway, I've not yeat given my opinion (sneakily enough ) but I wanted to see the responses (which I find fascinating... captain).

So, anyone else out there with an opinion as to what to do with him?

DeV.

hedgetrimmer

5 years minimum and direct all his assets to the CAB.

And then make him meet adult victims of child abuse, if that could be arranged

Suzybie

Jail time is useless - what does it do except make us feel better and cost about 60,000 Euro per prisoner per year? there is no therapy available of any value in the Irish Prison Service.

I do think people should make a distinction betoween looking and doing to put it very awkwardly. The vitriol/rubbish in the irish media the last few days is completely OTT and I have to agree with the staff of Ballymalloe who wrote to the Irish Times today regarding their lives, jobs, respect for the Allen family etc and the impact of the media.

b20uvkft6m5xwg

DeV. if you'll excuse me posting twice on this thread.

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Lets get realistic with fines. Unless you're a legal Person (i.e. a company) anything over 5 figures is likely to be ruled unconstituional as an attack on private Property re: A.43. If fines are imposed they are done to so to punish a person or provide restitution for victims etc. On the basis of some of the suggestions, we'd be able to clear the National Debt of some 3rd world countries.

As for the CAB suggestion, they can only seize assets that are determined as being the proceeds of crime, so unless donwloading child porn has been bankrolling cookery schools, catering companies and Television Production then how can they come into consideration.

Opinions welcomed, but some realism s'il vous plait

DapperGent

80project I think the whole point of this is that realism is uneccesary.

Kinda gut punishment feelings or so I understand it.

Sorry for posting twice.

K!LL!@N

I'd make him wear this:

http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/tshirt.php?sku=a189



Killian

Hellrazer

Originally posted by DeVore
Actually Hellraiser I was pointing out that I have already posted once of this thread but my role as Admin (and thread starter!) leads me to have to remind people to ONLY post their opinion of what his punishment should have been.

Clearly this requires me to post more then once

Anyway, I've not yeat given my opinion (sneakily enough ) but I wanted to see the responses (which I find fascinating... captain).

So, anyone else out there with an opinion as to what to do with him?

DeV.

Ahhhh I was just slagging!!!!!!!!

We await your opinion with open minds!!!!!!!!!!
Richie

DeVore

80p ... as was pointed out, this thread isnt about the current law or standards of judgement, its a thought experiment... so far its been fascinating.


Killian, I'm going to leave your post partly so as not to annoy Amp any further

But mostly to show you up for the low-IQ person that would post that.

You own you're own words.

DeV.

Celt

Originally posted by Hellrazer
Me thinks the saying is : "Absolute power corrupts absolutely":)

Power does not corrupt men, fools however, if they get into a position of power, corrupt power.

K!LL!@N

Originally posted by DeVore
80p ... as was pointed out, this thread isnt about the current law or standards of judgement, its a thought experiment... so far its been fascinating.


Killian, I'm going to leave your post partly so as not to annoy Amp any further

But mostly to show you up for the low-IQ person that would post that.

You own you're own words.

DeV.

I guess i should be thankful that you left it there.
I thought it was quite obvious that i was joking.
Put anybody in that t-shirt and have them walk down any crowded street in Ireland and they would immediately be singled out for abuse( both verbal and possibly even physical ).
Yet, people like Tim Allen can go completely unnoticed in society and have done for many years.

As for what i'd really do to him.
Well i would have made him serve the appropriate sentence for the crime he clearly committed.
And i'd have fined him an amount similar to that which he was already fined.

Killian

DeVore

I know you were "joking". Thats what I was referring to.

DeV.