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superconor · 19-01-2003 9:14pm #1

Does anyone here find that when you walk past the Slip****
kids in their wu tangs, slaipknot hoodies and slipknot shirts, while you are wearing say a nirvana/guns n roses/iron maiden shirt you get looks like you are a freak?
pesky kids......

Darkillion · 19-01-2003 9:18pm

yea, except for me its with Nirvana/Pearl Jam/RHCP cuz thats the only t-shirts i have

pesky

Pugsley · 19-01-2003 9:52pm

Most of them wear Nirvana hoodies aswell i find, well in my area they do anyway.

cournioni · 19-01-2003 10:53pm

Most of them don't really wear Slipknot hoodies around here. Its usually just Wu-Tang and Independant skateboarding stuff. With Slipknot t-shirts underneath them though!

I usually go up to them with my Pantera/Morbid Angel/Venom/At The Gates t-shirts and scare the **** outta them.

CRONIC ARSE · 20-01-2003 10:58am

kids just dont get it. they wear them just to b the tuf little ****s around but trualy they just get there mums to get them because they cry and wing that there best friend has one and they dont. id say the majority of them are not even aloud to listen to slipknot anyway.

LISTEN LITTLE KIDS IF U LOOK A ME FUNNY IL ****IN EAT YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

domeara01 · 20-01-2003 1:31pm

it really sucks.
in my town though the only reprise is that the skater "goths" get the **** kicked out of them every weekend. which is funny. slipknot getting torn apart is funny.
you have to wear cradle of filth and the nightwish gear that i got in finland to like look metal here.

xx · 20-01-2003 1:42pm

that look that the kids give you is the look of "my band is better than yours". Its a universal look that shows that they know little or nothing about heavy metal in all its ugly forms. They believe that metal begins and ends with Slipknot and Papa Roach. Sad but true. Still, give them some time and a no-kerrang tv diet and they'll come around.

kingconor · 20-01-2003 3:11pm

Yeah happens all the time!!! Bloody slipknot children!!!! I'm also not very fond of skaters either!!

Pugsley · 20-01-2003 10:26pm

As bad and annoying as these goth kiddies are, at least they dont go beating the cr*p outta people (in my area anyway), its just the clubebrs that do, one of my mates got the livin shit kicked out of him by 6 guys just a week and a half ago by these clubber folk when he was goin home with a few friends after skating (hes not a gothling type skater, he enters compo's and the like). Tis a shame tho, people beating up strangers, very sad.

Drunk pirate · 20-01-2003 10:42pm

The funny thing is my friend got some christmas clothes and it's a Slipdick hoodie and skate "rebel!" trousers!

The thing that pisses me off is the girls that are going around with Nirvana hoodies and the new trousers with the pieces of fabric hanging out the sides. So unorigional now.

I agree that the only music the call "Metal" is Papa roach linkin twat and slipknot. A friend of mine in school wouldn't stop singing (or whispering a roar) that ****in' slipknot song. Don't give a **** judge me thing. Back on the subject - I don't wear hoodies.

ThenComesDudley · 20-01-2003 10:55pm

hmm tis funny they wear there wu-wear and slipknot clothes and go around actin like little hard ****s. But as soon as they want a new hoody there all good and nice and get there mothers in to buy them.heh
also i used to make fun of those sk8ter kids but after the amount i saw being robbed by knife point by junky scum last week while o nmy lunch i think ill leave em alone for a while

Oeneus · 20-01-2003 11:03pm

The skater kids in my area seem like the OK ones to me!

There's the skaters (a large majority of them are under 13 and wearing Master Of Puppets hoodies, which surprised me), the wannabe goth kids (Slipknot), and the Skangers (known as townies over here) who listen do DJ boom boom, wickie wickie type shit!

Also, some of them are some pretty damn good skaters!

eth0_ · 21-01-2003 12:52pm

I cannot stand those little wannabe goths/skaters/metallers who hang around the central bank. They think they're so leftfield, yet they all wear the same slipknot/nirvana/korn hoodies.

And as for slipknot jeans....who the fu<k is selling those things!

Karl Hungus · 21-01-2003 6:20pm

Would someone PLEASE tell me the connection between Slipknot/Skater Kids and a genre a music that evolved from the late 70's post-punk bands like Siouxsie And The Banshees and Joy Division... Because I simply dont see it!

I dont ever remember the likes of Peter Murphy, Carl McCoy or Andrew Eldritch flying about on skateboards like a bunch of plonker kids, whining about their parents...

Maybe you good people would like to explain the connection?

How did the likes of Bauhaus and Fields Of The Nephilim ever influence Limp Bizkit?

Or maybe you're all talking out of your arses?
And you've no concept of what 'Goth' is at all?

In which case, listen to these:

Bauhaus - Silent Hedges
Fields Of The Nephilim - Psychonaut
The Mission - Wasteland
Sisters Of Mercy - Lucretia my Reflection
Joy Division - Shadow Play
Switchblade Symphony - Dollhouse

Any questions?

Oeneus · 21-01-2003 6:30pm

I have a question. Why the hell do all the goths in my college pretend to be insane for the sake of attention?

Karl Hungus · 21-01-2003 6:34pm

Originally posted by Oeneus
I have a question. Why the hell do all the goths in my college pretend to be insane for the sake of attention?

Seeing as you say THIS:

Originally posted by Oeneus
the wannabe goth kids (Slipknot),

I'm pretty sure YOU'VE no idea either.

So, I cant answer that.

Oeneus · 21-01-2003 6:39pm

Originally posted by AngelWhore

I'm pretty sure YOU'VE no idea either.

/sighs

There all such Head****s!

Karl Hungus · 21-01-2003 6:41pm

Originally posted by Oeneus
/sighs

There all such Headfu[/b[]cks!

Thank you very much, and leave the swearwords banned, ok?

Oeneus · 21-01-2003 6:47pm

I don't know, maybe it's just my area, but seriously! Over here they are just so ****ed UP! Honestly.

I mean one called me over one day and said "Come closer"

I move closer

"closer" she says

I step forward

"closer!"

Then she slaps me in the face! I mean, I don't even know her and have never spoken to her and she slaps me in the face? What's going on?!

Darkillion · 21-01-2003 7:44pm

hehe, sounds a bit like that crappy dance song, ne1 heard it?

'I need 2 sheet'

Karl Hungus · 21-01-2003 11:13pm

Sounds like she was comming onto you, Oeneus.

Giblet · 21-01-2003 11:52pm

Nah angelwhore, she was being grim, with a smiggen of necro. How very Quaint.

The only thing I really hate is people into whatever type of music they're into for the look, rather than the music. Or people who decide the worlds biggest fans of (blah) in one day and learn everything like words and lyrics and become know-it-alls, and spend all day discussing these bands that they had no knowledge of two days prior.

Pugsley · 21-01-2003 11:56pm

Originally posted by Giblet
Or people who decide the worlds biggest fans of (blah) in one day and learn everything like words and lyrics and become know-it-alls, and spend all day discussing these bands that they had no knowledge of two days prior.

Or the guys who claim to be X's greatest fan type fellow ever, then cant name 3 of their songs, done this to a 2nd year on the bus from school who claimed to be a massive slipknot song (wore the iowa hoodie and was an ignorant annoying wee fecker) and when we asked him to name 3 songs, he got one song then told us to f*ck off...... the whole bus burstout laughing and the wee cretin was near in tears! he didnt get the bus for the rest of that week

Karl Hungus · 22-01-2003 1:03am

Have any of you listened to any of the songs I told you to yet?

Also:
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/84/diva_destruction.html
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/127/black_tape_for_a_blue_girl.html
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/105/museum.html

http://www.netgoth.org.uk/music/

Dr. Loon · 22-01-2003 10:10am

This thread is quite possibly the saddest thread to ever exist on these boards! :rolleyes:

superconor · 22-01-2003 9:37pm

i didnt mean real goths (i like them) i mean the little children who think they are. dont soil ureself angelwhore... (JOKING!)

and yes, i like skateboarders. unlike kingconor...
i mean, i saw this dick in our school out skating with 1 of his friends. fair enough, i go over and talk to them. they are wearing matching blink-182 shirts and one of them constantly gets at us just cos we listen to iron maiden and queen over scooter and euphoria albums. little feckers.....

Doodee · 23-01-2003 7:45pm

What i dont get is why these Nirvana kids walk around with the hoodies saying "I h8 myself and I want to Die" on them, i mean ffs, kurt designed T-Shirts not hoodies. and they didnt really go by the designs that these kids are being tricked into buying, they must really be stupid.

I blame Limp Bizkit

eth0_ · 23-01-2003 7:53pm

angelwhore, please, stop being so fu<king elitest!
I have punk/metal/goth friends, and I haven't any problem, it's the punk/metal/goth hybrid wannabe children who piss me off.
So don't try and tell me I don't know what a goth is.

Darkillion · 23-01-2003 8:10pm

whats worse is people who say a certain type of music is crap even when they havent heard any of it

Karl Hungus · 24-01-2003 7:32pm

Thanks for that informative post, etho.

But I think I'm going to be as elitist as I want, as I'm not hurting anyone, am I?
Are there endangered species at risk? Does god kill a kitten every time I post something?

Either way, you're not doing anything to convince me that you DO know anything about what you're talking about. Punk/metal/goth wannabe kids piss you off? That would be great if I knew of any kids who DID actualy wannabe punk, metal or goth. But no, I find that most of them in fact, don't. Unless by some turn of fortune it's found that Linkin Park is infact a hybrid of punk/metal/goth??? And maybe I'm just too blind to see it?

Doodee · 24-01-2003 8:32pm

Linkin who?

hey, u think they ripped the name off Linkin the cs player?

Anyways, Reguardless ppl do seem to pick on the "little critters"
guy who werks with me just stopped 2 from getting their asses kicked by some skanger out looking for a fight.

Damn this, why are ppl getting me to listen to nightwish, once i start i wont be able to stop.....

Axe · 24-01-2003 10:28pm

I am certainly not fond of the "Wu-tards", as a friend of mine calls them. They are simply regular pop/dance freaks who have opened up a "Rock" (and i use that word in it's loosest possible sense) branch. The only thing i have to console myself is that, like all trendy fads, this will last roughly 6 months, then we will be free of hoodies, wu-tang jeans, Slipknot and their irritating "music", Linkin Park and their ridiculous rapping FOREVER!! Also, Nirvana might take a proper place in music history, rather than being worshipped by people who probably weren't aware they existed until they became popular again about a year ago.

Slipknot will go the same way as Hearsay, worshipped at the beginning, shot down in flames at the end.

Darkillion · 25-01-2003 5:12pm

at least there is only one album left from them

Axe · 25-01-2003 5:57pm

Yo Angelwhore, read the messages more closely, and you will see that so far only one person (eth0_) has so far refered to these kids as goths, the rest have either preceded it with the word "wannabe" or put the word goth in inverted commas. This would suggest that they DO in fact, know what a goth really is.

Karl Hungus · 25-01-2003 6:01pm

Really?

Originally posted by Pugsley
As bad and annoying as these goth kiddies are...

You were saying?

Axe · 25-01-2003 6:05pm

I do beg your pardon, i meant to say Pugsley, but got confused with eth0_. Upon closer inspection, Pugsley was the person who didn't use inverted commas or the word wannabe. Forgive my mistake.

Karl Hungus · 25-01-2003 6:12pm

Still though, even 'Wannabe' and "Goth" give allusions to the term being used as 'Another word for the same thing' when it comes to dealing with these kids. Which it certainly isn't.

I'm pretty sure NONE of the actualy DO want to be Goth, especially if they actualy knew what goth music was. Because it's almost completely unrelated to most forms of metal.

Just curious, do you know much about Goth at all?

Axe · 25-01-2003 6:19pm

Why yes, as it happens, i am quite friendly with a real goth, and therefore would consider myself to know enough about the subject to get me by. Suffice to say i know enough to not refer to the Slipknot kids as goths, cos they just plain aren't! I myself, have never used the word goth in reference to the kids, coz i know better.

^CwAzY^ · 25-01-2003 6:46pm

What's everyones problem with people who wear slipknot/korn/linkin park hoodies? It's not like they're going around robbing cars, beating people up, breaking into houses.. like a lot of the youth today. Compared to them they are angels.

Axe · 25-01-2003 7:08pm

Oh, come on! We are debating them from a musical point of view, not whether or not they are criminals!

^CwAzY^ · 25-01-2003 9:02pm

Come on they're 12 & 13.
I'm sure they're flattered that they annoy you so much.

Karl Hungus · 25-01-2003 9:08pm

They can go as old as 18, really.

But on the flipside I've seen some serious 14 year old Death Metal fans.

Pigman II · 26-01-2003 5:28pm

Originally posted by AngelWhore
And you've no concept of what 'Goth' is at all?
In which case, listen to these:
Joy Division - Shadow Play

Any questions? [/B]

Yeah, I have one. Do you actually have any concept of what 'goth' is yourself?

Because mentioning Joy Division in connection to goth certainly suggests that you don't.

NeMiSiS · 26-01-2003 7:34pm

Now now.

Define 'Goth' arguments,suck ass. Who gives a **** like?

Highly constructive comment #106

Lots of Love

NeM

Karl Hungus · 26-01-2003 8:13pm

Originally posted by Pigman II
Yeah, I have one. Do you actually have any concept of what 'goth' is yourself?

Because mentioning Joy Division in connection to goth certainly suggests that you don't.

Well done, you've earned a cookie.
Not a very bright cookie, mind you.
But it suits you.

Goth evolved from the Post-Punk scene of the late 70's. Joy Division is clearly one of the most influential bands when it comes to the early goth scene. Simple, really. Of course, seeing as you give no arguement in your first post as to why you'd consider them NOT to be connected to goth, I think I'll ask for that in your next reply.

Darkillion · 26-01-2003 8:51pm

Pigman II · 26-01-2003 9:09pm

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Well done, you've earned a cookie.
Not a very bright cookie, mind you.
But it suits you.

Oh no! A patronising sarcastic internet guy has really cut me to the bone there!

Not really very clever to start a post insulting someone and then claim the moral high ground demanding constructive arguementative points btw.

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Goth evolved from the Post-Punk scene of the late 70's. Joy Division is clearly one of the most influential bands when it comes to the early goth scene. Simple, really. Of course, seeing as you give no arguement in your first post as to why you'd consider them NOT to be connected to goth, I think I'll ask for that in your next reply.

Please! Any incarnation of guitar based music can be connected back to any previous form if you want to be anal enough about it, and clearly you do. You could just as easily credit Leadbelly with influencing modern folk if that's the way you have to categorise everything.

JD might have had an influence on goth but they were not a goth band (or even 'early goth' <- :rolleyes:). As such (and this is my point) telling people who want to find out about the scene to listen to stuff like ShadowPlay is off the mark. It's like telling someone who wanted to find out about grunge to go listen to Cheap Trick or Husker Du. Sure they may have influenced many of the bands who eventually got labeled 'grunge' ... but they aren't grunge. Similarily JD aren't goth.

Now have a cookie yourself. Stick your face in a whole packet if you like.

Darkillion · 26-01-2003 9:25pm

touche

kingconor · 27-01-2003 3:36pm

Ledbelly Rules!! Just listen to Ram Jam by Black Betty, he wrote it!!!

Karl Hungus · 27-01-2003 6:46pm

Originally posted by Pigman II
Please! Any incarnation of guitar based music can be connected back to any previous form if you want to be anal enough about it, and clearly you do. You could just as easily credit Leadbelly with influencing modern folk if that's the way you have to categorise everything.

JD might have had an influence on goth but they were not a goth band (or even 'early goth' <- :rolleyes:). As such (and this is my point) telling people who want to find out about the scene to listen to stuff like ShadowPlay is off the mark. It's like telling someone who wanted to find out about grunge to go listen to Cheap Trick or Husker Du. Sure they may have influenced many of the bands who eventually got labeled 'grunge' ... but they aren't grunge. Similarily JD aren't goth.

No, I'm certainlly not being anal about it.
Joy Division are possibly the MOST influential band when it comes to Goth. And Shadow Play is a song that perfectly emphasizes this. Ian Curtis' vocal style was possibly one of the most profound (Especially at the time) influences, definetly on the likes of Andrew Eldritch, Rozz Williams and so on.

Also, specifically, the bassline to Shadow Play, and the whole guitar style. Clearly a profound influence on what Goth was at the time of the early 80's: deep vocals, deep basslines, and the guitar usually 'Echoing' over it sparsely. A definite blueprint set down by JD.

This is NOT anally backtracking to something that Might have been an influence, this is a DIRECT, and PROFOUND influence.

Karl Hungus · 27-01-2003 6:53pm

And here's something else.

A quick search on google:
http://www.scathe.demon.co.uk/histgoth.htm

Go to the 'Influence' and 'Bands' sections.
This backs up my points perfectly.

The Kids

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