Why did you delete that thread?

Muppet Monarchy · 10-12-2002 11:29am #1

Please explain. 'Cause I don't understand. Look, I'm so upset I started my sentence with because. And i used a contraction. Lord help us all.

SimonMaher · 10-12-2002 12:02pm

Hello there,

Muppet Monarchy perhaps you could be a little less specific as to what thread you meant?

If it was the "Another Query" thread, I said in a post on Sunday that I would delete it and then in a post last night said that I was deleting it, but if anyone wanted to start the thread fractions again as seperate threads then go for it. Fractions being me being a git of a censor, a totally different but interesting debate about music, and a debate on the United States of anywhere!

Focus and be careful with those contractions. You could do yourself a mischief!

Regards,

Pete Reed
Phantom FM

tony 2 tone · 10-12-2002 12:18pm

Was it the post on why you delated an other post?

SimonMaher · 10-12-2002 12:23pm

Jaysus Tony you might be right. Which would make this a post about why I deleted a post about why I deleted a post. Whats going to happen when I delete this one? I predict catastrophe on a grand scale. Will leave it until after Thursday night so

Regards,

Pete Reed
Phantom FM

Muppet Monarchy · 10-12-2002 12:29pm

So. Here we are. Again.

The 'another query' thread ; would have dropped off the page and been forgotten about soon enough. Why bother to delete it? You never answered my question, so the discussion was far from over.

Why the hack-and-burn moderating? What does it achieve? I think you've stated before that you don't want discussion wandering off-topic too much. Why? It's a discussion forum - let people have discourse. Perhaps somebody would've read that thread today, and contributed something really interesting. It's unlikely, but you never know.

My point is, why don't you go easy on the moderation. Here's a little experimnet we could try - promise not to delete any non-duplicated, non-libellous threads for 30 days. Remove that infantile anti-swear-word nonsense for 30 days. If the world ends, I was wrong. If the board becomes even a little livelier, more entertaining or whatever, maybe I have a case.
Let's work together, hmmm?

roxy · 10-12-2002 12:36pm

Think of the board as a Bonsai Tree.

It needs regular pruning to keep it healthy and nice.

If you don't prune the tree it will die. Die! So while the tree probably doesn't like having some of its bits chopped off, it knows that it's for the best and so IT DOESN'T GIVE ANY LIP. It knows that its owner knows what its doing. I like Bonsai Trees.

startled_frog · 10-12-2002 1:16pm

Well put Roxy.

Raggamuffin · 10-12-2002 1:59pm

censorship curbs creativity.

What will happen is that when people want to freely express themselves they'll stray away from the phantom board and take their ideas elsewhere.

Whereas those loya citizens who cause little or no bother will stay and post the same old boring waffle.

I wonder how long before the league of gentlemen thread is deleted.

Yeah whats with the cursing cut out?
i mean its kinda funny... cause people make such an effort to go around it why not just let it be?

are those boards.ie guys doing it to ya? cause their after hours board is profanity central.

Anywa i'm off to go find out about this cartoon called the visionaries......

oh and does anyone else have that new CNX channel its really good..... ever since MTV2 started playing "the music, sum41, the strokes," 24/7 i've been going mad.

Seinfeld at 8pm on paramount though.
seeya

tony 2 tone · 10-12-2002 2:25pm

Delete the chicken!

the fnj · 10-12-2002 2:27pm

If you don't like the rules or the way the board is run, no one is forcing you to use it.

BrianD · 10-12-2002 2:36pm

Raggamuffin, wake up and smell the coffee ... I've never read so much rubbish in my life - censorship curbs creativity is a tad over the top. Move on!

tony 2 tone · 10-12-2002 2:40pm

Originally posted by BrianD
Raggamuffin, wake up and smell the coffee ... I've never read so much rubbish in my life - censorship curbs creativity is a tad over the top. Move on!

Whoa, and that wasn't over the top?

polarbelly · 10-12-2002 2:58pm

sometimes i get angry

tony 2 tone · 10-12-2002 3:15pm

Some times people drink my miwadi..............that makes me angry............

Graemo · 10-12-2002 3:32pm

Originally posted by Raggamuffin
censorship curbs creativity.

What will happen is that when people want to freely express themselves they'll stray away from the phantom board and take their ideas elsewhere.

Nonsence.

It has been proved time and time again that when you put restrictions on a person for any reason that person is forced to use thier creativity (if any) to an even greater degree to be able to get around the censorship laws.

Truly competitive people the world over welcome adversity.

Muppet Monarchy · 10-12-2002 3:36pm

Pete, I'm not trying to bust yo balls here, but I know you've read my post, since you pasted it over here into this thread.
Have you any response?

BrianD - Are you trying to say that it's not censorship? What are you trying to say?

Raggamuffin · 10-12-2002 6:29pm

Originally posted by Graemo
It has been proved time and time again that when you put restrictions on a person for any reason that person is forced to use thier creativity (if any) to an even greater degree to be able to get around the censorship laws.

Truly competitive people the world over welcome adversity. [/B]

when has this been proven?
is that why joyce left ireland cause he welcomed the censorship laws?

Your just trying to find ways of disagreeing with me.

YOu argument is just stupid. Censorship existing so people can overcome it and find ways around it?

OK so basically we should set up a nazi state just so people can find ways around it.

yeah.......... good one

creative people are'nt competetive either.....and if they are it's usually a flaw rather than a a positive aspect of their character.

however if your running a business thats a different story.

dera · 10-12-2002 6:45pm

just to say, I think the moderatorship on here is fair and fine .. imagine a lot of people agree.

polarbelly · 10-12-2002 7:57pm

Originally posted by Raggamuffin
when has this been proven?
is that why joyce left ireland cause he welcomed the censorship laws?

Your just trying to find ways of disagreeing with me.

YOu argument is just stupid. Censorship existing so people can overcome it and find ways around it?

OK so basically we should set up a nazi state just so people can find ways around it.

yeah.......... good one

creative people are'nt competetive either.....and if they are it's usually a flaw rather than a a positive aspect of their character.

however if your running a business thats a different story.

i betcha you love/loved religion class in school

Sir · 10-12-2002 8:07pm

Originally posted by polarbelly
i betcha you love/loved religion class in school

Betcha you wish those guitar lessons would finally start paying off!!!

polarbelly · 10-12-2002 8:16pm

i play drums

Mewzel · 10-12-2002 8:43pm

"Betcha you wish those guitar lessons would finally start paying off!!!"

i think its posts such as these that pete is complaining about when he says people are going off topic into a mere slagging match.

Shorty · 10-12-2002 10:38pm

HaHa! OMG I can't believe people are actually defending censorship! :rolleyes:

I honestly can't be bothered arguing for free speech and against censorship, it should be so blatantly obvious, thumped.com is a moderated board, so to speak, but it is so much more liberal.

I could throw in a load of quotes on freedom and how high it's importance is, but again this is so obvious that this thread seems beyond me.

PiE · 10-12-2002 10:48pm

Originally posted by Raggamuffin
when has this been proven?
blah blah blahblahblah blah blah?

Your just trying to find ways of disagreeing with me.

YOu argument is just stupid. blah blah blahblahblah blah blahblah blah blahblahblah blah blahblah blah blahblahblah blah blah!!

OK so basically we should set up a nazi state just so people can find ways around it. blah blah blahblahblah blah blah I'm an idiot blah

yeah.......... blah blah blah

creative people are'nt competetive either.....and if they are it's usually blah blah blahblahblah blah blah

however if your running a business thats a different story.

Go search for "Censorship" on the Admin board, this has been argued to death.

Wheres that 'Set My People Free' card when you need it...

Shorty · 10-12-2002 10:55pm

Okay, I know the deal with censorship on boards.ie , but this seems to be people saying that in general, censorship is okay.

LOL!!! In an ironic wtf is going on sorta way.

Raggamuffin · 10-12-2002 10:55pm

set my people free
hehehehe

kinda funny

Sir · 10-12-2002 11:50pm

Or in your case Raggamuffin your little man...

Amz · 11-12-2002 12:19am

Well actually its...

never mind....

SimonMaher · 11-12-2002 12:55am

Hello all,

Right, brief reply.

Muppet Monarchy: Apart from the deletions on offence basis and all that stuff, theres also pruning purely from a volume point of view. So, if a topic loses focus then I usually put up a posting saying it will be removed, but asking people if they want to start a thread about that topic. Then theres multiple posters, who plug their gig or venue five or six times in a week, or even in a day. Then theres commercial posters from big organisations clogging up the board too. You get the buzz Im on?

You also say "we're all adults". How do you know this? In fact, quite a few posters aren't.

On you overall point though, I am willing to try for a few days at least to see what effect a lighter touch may have. Given some of the ****e Ive had to clear from the board today I doubt it will last a few days, but yep, lets give it a shot. Now, in return you can promise to maybe not just lazily knock Phantoms efforts (particularly in relation to our charity gig on Thursday night) and lets see how we get on

And Ragamuffin, Joyce left Ireland so he could find someone who could understand what the feck Ulysses was about. Wrecks my head that book.

Regards,

Pete Reed
Phantom FM

Raggamuffin · 11-12-2002 1:41am

wrecks your head?
jesus the latin on the first pages while hes shaving or sumthing had me baffled.

120_Minutes · 11-12-2002 10:27am

Lies make baby Jesus cry......

johnnynolegs · 11-12-2002 12:24pm

and makes him poo aswell

or is that cabbage

thedrowner · 12-12-2002 1:12pm

ah
you'll all probably kill me for bringing this back up to the top but

OH MY GOD

some of these people deserve to whacked around the head with a fish.

and im going to personally do that to sir for getting personal with mick. im going to find out where u live and castrate you with a spoon (hey-im heading for censorship myself here)

yes shorty-people are arguiing for cencorship here. it's a good idea sometimes. especially when you're dealinh with about...10,000 users who's stats in life arent known and therefore could be a little 12 yr...ah i give up. i cant be arsed.

i woke up this morning and i thought it was sunday

anyway muppet monarchy, and im probabyl starting a big war by saying this but u havent written one post yet that hasnt pissed me off, so you of all people shouldnt be giving out about moderation on this baord.

johnnynolegs · 12-12-2002 1:27pm

u tell 'em rosemary

Muppet Monarchy · 12-12-2002 1:33pm

"yes shorty-people are arguiing for cencorship here. it's a good idea sometimes. " {SIC}

W.R.O.N.G.

Censorship is never ever ever ever ever ever ever a good idea. It never will be a good idea. A democracy cannot co-exist with censorship, the two are wholly incompatible.

"u havent written one post yet that hasnt pissed me off, so you of all people shouldnt be giving out about moderation on this baord."

For a start, you really have to think about your spelling. What age are you? Punctuation's a bit iffy, too.

Now, just what the hell does this mean? I don't see the connection. Are you trying to say that you do have a right to talk about censorship on this "baord"? What is it about the fact that I've pissed you off that means I don't have the right to talk about it? What the **** are you on about?

Raggamuffin · 12-12-2002 1:50pm

I think our argument about censorship went from "board moderation" to "censorship in general".

graemo made a point about censorhip in general being good, and then you backed it up (badly), so it really had nothing to do with the moderation on the board at this point.

i hardly expect some 12 year old btw to see the word "f.uck" written for the first time on a messege board, sure haven't you seen those FCUK t-shirts disgraceful.

anyway anyone who argues that censorship in general is a good idea, either has'nt got a clue, or is seeking to control the reichstag. Maybe both now that i think of it!

You're talking out of your hole love. day day

thedrowner · 12-12-2002 2:21pm

dont make me MAAAAAAAAAD- i type way too quickly and make errors. and im loved for it. so ur slagging my spelling will have no affect on me whatsoever (oh to heck with it, im 12, and youre posts have turned me from the happiest little bundle of joy that ever lived to the most cynical bitch on earth)

anyways

didn't you ever see the episode of sabrina the teenage witch where she meets the petulant kid? im sorry, but rules and regulations are important, depending on what theyre for. its like parenting, or sometimes having to be cruel to be kind. yes, a lot of us dont need that kind of censorship in our lives,but you've got to take into account that other people out there do, you may not agree with that but i think a lot of people out there will.

im talking about both kinds of moderation. board moderation and censorship in general. Yes i find it annoying that on the baords we have to be moderated, but im not going to arue about it and start causing problems for moderators because i like baords.ie,i understand why these rules are there, i like using it, and so im going to put up with their rules. if i didnt like it as much as u seem to ragamuffin, then why would i stay posting?

also, muppet-when someone's posts offend people on baords.ie they can report tthe posts to a moderator and the postscan be deleted and the person banned. also, you seem to be trolling, and its not even funny trolling its just annoying trolling thats getting up a lot of ppl's noses-and thats why i think its a bit rich that ur aggravating this even further.

Raggamuffin · 12-12-2002 2:37pm

oh i'm not even listening to you anymore
you're tlkaing so much crap.

and i've never found muppet monarchy to be offensive on purpose

thedrowner · 12-12-2002 2:42pm

hmmmmmm....go on.....tell me whats crap.....point out exactly whats crap and we'll argue out the flaws.

Raggamuffin · 12-12-2002 2:46pm

NO

jesus christ i'm not even going to try and convince you the errors of censorship.

Modderation on this board fair enough, but you actually think censorship in general is a good thing?>

thats just weird, way too complacent just go eat some chicken ok

polarbelly · 12-12-2002 2:51pm

"W.R.O.N.G.

Censorship is never ever ever ever ever ever ever a good idea. It never will be a good idea. A democracy cannot co-exist with censorship, the two are wholly incompatible."

in your opinion you twat

"oh i'm not even listening to you anymore
you're tlkaing so much crap.

and i've never found muppet monarchy to be offensive on purpose"

raggamuffin, i know that you know the only person who is talkin crap round here

and muppet monarchy is always offensive on purpose, he finds that to be humourous

thedrowner · 12-12-2002 2:55pm

i may be wrong in saying this but i suspect the reaosn u cant try convince me in the errors of my ways is more to do with u cant find anything wrong. surely if im so blatantly wrong u wont have a problem picking up on this and picking somehting i've said that you know everyone is going to think im in an eejit for.

i'll tell you why censorship is a good thing...because there are people out there who are too young and lacking in experience to make certain decisions for themselves, or who dont have the ability to make decisions for themselves, people with mental illnesses, or people who have been born with such handicap's as down's syndrome or autism. when i was younger i thought i knew it all, now i see as i get older how untrue this is, and it infuriates me when i see people thinking they know it all....

Raggamuffin · 12-12-2002 3:00pm

Point out how exactly censorship benefits society.

long term now...... not short term

Do you think that nirvana should have had to change the lyrics to "rape me" and change the cover to "inutero" because people found it offensive?

Its all down to education though, people are'nt aware of their rights and thus leads to stupid beliefs that censorship is a good thing. rubbish. if your that conservative why not move to america.

Raggamuffin · 12-12-2002 3:04pm

KNow it all? hahhahaa

You help those sorts of people through life.
You explain things, give advice.

Muppet Monarchy · 12-12-2002 3:05pm

I'm not trolling. I'm a crusader for international justice. I fight crime, prejudice and ignorance using only the power of my puny keyboard. Now...

Re: Spelling. I'm not slagging you. Couldn't be bothered, to tell the truth. However, when your spelling is so bad that it makes your posts confusing / nonsensical, then I'm gonna point that out, dig?

"Yes i find it annoying that on the baords we have to be moderated, but im not going to arue about it and start causing problems for moderators because i like baords.ie,i understand why these rules are there, i like using it, and so im going to put up with their rules. "

Well, I don't like it either. But I'm gonna talk about it. That's my right, or it would be if threads weren't deleted so often. How am I causing problems for the moderators?
I'm gonna put up with their rules, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna point out how ridiculous they are.

"also, muppet-when someone's posts offend people on baords.ie they can report tthe posts to a moderator and the postscan be deleted and the person banned."

Full marks for stating the obvious. Kinda pointless though, don't ya think?

"also, you seem to be trolling, and its not even funny trolling its just annoying trolling thats getting up a lot of ppl's noses"

Who am I annoying, other than you? How am i trolling?

"-and thats why i think its a bit rich that ur aggravating this even further."

Now, see here we are back to the spelling / grammar / syntax thing. "aggravating this even further"? What the **** does that mean?

Raggamuffin · 12-12-2002 3:10pm

Tra la la

See the whole problem with censorship is that if you can ban one idea from being voiced, well then you can ban anything.

only problem is you get called a socialist so quickly in these parts whever you mutter "free speech" or "human rights".

Muppet Monarchy · 12-12-2002 3:12pm

Pete Reed.

Re: remarks on charity gig posting.
In hindsight, that was churlish and caddish of me. I apologise. I'm immensely impressed that you're willing to try laying back a bit, fair play to you, sir. I would like to add that I have no problem with you removing spam and such, that's your job and you do it well ; it was only the active discussion culling I had a problem with. Mind you, I'm in a pretty good mood today, so it all seems pretty good to me.

polarbelly · 12-12-2002 3:12pm

g'wan outta that ya big socialist

thedrowner · 12-12-2002 3:13pm

i dont have the knowledge required to put somehting like that up...but i can give you loads of short term/long time examples of people who suffered from not following certain censorships....

ragamuffin, i accept that u dont agree with me, and even though i dont fully understand it, its your opinion. you can't start criticing people just because it clashes with your own opinion, people are just going to see this as ridiculous.

thedrowner · 12-12-2002 3:20pm

muppet monarchy-yes you can argue till your death about what you think your rights on this board are but the way you're arguing this is violating some of their rules i believe. and anyway, it just gets tiresome and boring after a while, unless u actually bring about a change that pleases the majority. and ive seen at least 3 or 4 posts by people who have been annoyed by you. if u want me to get links to them i will, but not today as im leaving soon.

im sorry my typo's are causing some confusion, most people here are used to them and know how to decipher it

i'll try checking through my posts after ive written them

Raggamuffin · 12-12-2002 3:21pm

I'm sorry but iif somebody comes up to me and says "all blacks should leave ireland" or as you've pointed out "censorship is a good thing" i'm not going to stand there and say "thats your opinion" because....... censorship is wrong in principle.

its not my opinion that censorship is wrong, its been the opinion of many free spirited minds in history.

I'm not tyring to say that i'm right, but for god's sake people died for free speech and sometimes i find it a insult to suggest that we endorse censorship.

Oh and following up Muppet Monachy's point Pete i too would like to apologise for my comment in the section for your Phundrasier gig. I feel that it should have been deleted cause cause its was'nt really a contributing point to the charity fundrasiing your doing. Hope it goes well btw

i accept your opinions on a numbe of things Drowner but unfortunatly there are limits to what i can honestly accept as a well thought out opinion on a subject such as censorship.

Why did you delete that thread?

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