Questions for an Esat Engineer installing ADSL

MoSeS_.

Tried this in the Nets/Comms board but no-one is looking at it and time is running out.

Right, this engineer is coming in an hour. Is there anything specific I can/should ask him to setup/configure for the ADSL connection to for example get lower pings for gaming ??

or just any questions anyone might want an answer from one of these guys on

Cheers


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Mountjoy Mugger

I don't think there's much the installation engineer can do as regards lower pings. Any modifications will need to take place at the local exchange.

Let's know what pings you do get though. I'm considering switching from Eircom's i-Stream if there's a substantial difference.

ElNino

Also as far as I know it will be an Ericsson engineer who actually does the installation and not an Esat engineer.

DC

Its a KTI engineer that will do it. They have the contract. They install Ericsson DSL modems.

The telephone cable extension length works perfectly for me at nearly 20m long, even though they say up to 10m. So, you can probably get to that faroff bedroom or office.

Nothing really can be done for ping speeds at your end. My experience, and I only got it in yesterday, is that ping speeds for Irish and UK servers are in the region of 16 - 32ms. Quite good in my opinion. Ping speeds to the USA I'm not sure about but are I think just over 100ms.

MoSeS_.

ohhhh baby this internet connection rocks

ping www.barrysworld.co.uk

Pinging www.barrysworld.co.uk [212.67.202.241] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=240

Ping statistics for 212.67.202.241:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 31ms, Maximum = 40ms, Average = 37ms

62KB/s download mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

DC

I'll bet you still have that twitch as you look down to the bottom right of the screen to watch the clock

Takes a couple of days to get over it....

Mountjoy Mugger

Impressive pings there. It looks like I might be ditching Eircom's offering in the not too distant future. Pings of 70ms+ with a 3GB cap not acceptable.

MDR

Apparentily Moses has money to burn

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by MDR
Apparentily Moses has money to burn

Heh - maybe he found it among the bull rushes..

Seriously, I just got home and pinged Barrysworld:

Pinging www.barrysworld.co.uk [212.67.202.241] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=87ms TTL=241
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=100ms TTL=241
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=241
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=241

Ping statistics for 212.67.202.241:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 80ms, Maximum = 100ms, Average = 86ms

I'd be interested to know if it was the basic 512/128 package s/he got.

MoSeS_.

I think it's 512/256 with Esat
But yup that's it, the basic one.

nice haven't stopped grinning childishly to myself yet

KdjaCL

MOses where are you ???


kdjaC

MoSeS_.

G-G-G-G-Galway!!!

Tirellan heights

Mountjoy Mugger

Can you clarify one thing, Moses? The €90 is EX VAT?

MoSeS_.

I can't clarify anything yet as I haven't seen a bill but my understanding is that it is €90 ex VAT so it's somewhere around €108 pm inc VAT

Hannibal_12

Originally posted by MoSeS_.
I can't clarify anything yet as I haven't seen a bill but my understanding is that it is €90 ex VAT so it's somewhere around €108 pm inc VAT

So how many using DSL in Ireland now, 2001. Congrats your one of the lucky few.

Moriarty

Originally posted by MoSeS_.
ping www.barrysworld.co.uk

Pinging www.barrysworld.co.uk [212.67.202.241] with 32 bytes of data:

Just to let you know, its barrysworld.com not .co.uk

Otherwise though, nice set of stats

De Rebel

Originally posted by DC
I'll bet you still have that twitch as you look down to the bottom right of the screen to watch the clock

Takes a couple of days to get over it....

I hate ya...............

ando

nice to see esat being gamers friendly

De Rebel

Originally posted by ando
nice to see esat being gamers friendly

Ah DC is a grand guy, but hes reminding us about his nice shiny new DSL at least twice a day and it hurts, man it hurts……

Michael Collins

Originally posted by Hannibal_12
So how many using DSL in Ireland now, 2001. Congrats your one of the lucky few.

Ah yes 108 euros a month...very lucky . But at least he has the choice I suppose...

DC

Ah DC is a grand guy, but hes reminding us about his nice shiny new DSL at least twice a day and it hurts, man it hurts……

Only got it in yesterday. Ok, no more rubbing of salt in wounds..... With the initial shock now over I can get back to being constructive. Besides, isn't your exchange going to be €ircon enabled in January, De Rebel?


One thing I find interesting is the comparison in ping speeds between EsatBT and €ircon. It is a bit of a serious issue if the ping speeds are more than double that of EsatBT. This is something worth getting some more stats on. Even to check differences between exchanges, e.g. Churchfield and Galway.

For example, my ping stats for barrysworld.co.uk (ok I realise its not online gaming, but the stats were posted)....

Pinging www.barrysworld.co.uk [212.67.202.241] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=31ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=32ms TTL=240

Ping statistics for 212.67.202.241:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 31ms, Maximum = 32ms, Average = 31ms

Mountjoy Mugger, your pings seem a bit too high, even for eircom. Was there anything else using the internet at the time?


Just to keep it going, I am interested if anyone with Eircom DSL could compare with the following examples. It would be good to have some stats comparing like with like. Good for people who need good ping speeds and live in an area where they have a choice of €ircon and Esat.


1. Google

C:\>ping www.google.com

Pinging www.google.com [216.239.51.101] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=109ms TTL=51
Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=51
Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=51
Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=51

Ping statistics for 216.239.51.101:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 109ms, Maximum = 110ms, Average = 109ms

2. Ireland.com

C:\>ping www.ireland.com

Pinging www.ireland.com [195.7.33.37] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=117
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=117
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=117
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=117

Ping statistics for 195.7.33.37:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 16ms, Maximum = 16ms, Average = 16ms

3. BBC.CO.UK

C:\>ping www.bbc.co.uk

Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.114] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.224.114: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.224.114: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.224.114: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.224.114: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 212.58.224.114:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 15ms, Maximum = 16ms, Average = 15ms


These stats tell us that for Ireland, expect pings of 16ms, for UK expect 16ms - 32ms and for USA just over 100ms under optimal conditions. Is that good enough for you hardened gamers

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by DC
Mountjoy Mugger, your pings seem a bit too high, even for eircom. Was there anything else using the internet at the time?


Just to keep it going, I am interested if anyone with Eircom DSL could compare with the following examples. It would be good to have some stats comparing like with like. Good for people who need good ping speeds and live in an area where they have a choice of €ircon and Esat.

Nothing else using it.

Now, to give you my i-stream ping times (sigh):

Pinging www.barrysworld.co.uk [212.67.202.241] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=82ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=240

Ping statistics for 212.67.202.241:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 80ms, Maximum = 82ms, Average = 80ms

Pinging google.com [216.239.35.100] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 216.239.35.100: bytes=32 time=205ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.239.35.100: bytes=32 time=210ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.239.35.100: bytes=32 time=210ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.239.35.100: bytes=32 time=210ms TTL=49

Ping statistics for 216.239.35.100:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 205ms, Maximum = 210ms, Average = 208ms


Pinging www.ireland.com [195.7.33.37] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=58ms TTL=122
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=50ms TTL=122
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=122
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=122

Ping statistics for 195.7.33.37:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 50ms, Maximum = 60ms, Average = 57ms

Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.32] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.224.32: bytes=32 time=65ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.224.32: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.224.32: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.224.32: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 212.58.224.32:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 60ms, Maximum = 70ms, Average = 66ms

Maybe we're better moving this to Net/Comms?

crazyasafox

I think Esat is the only way to go as Iike Mountjoy-Mugger I have eircom i-stream.What ever way they are routing their traffic is making an arse of it,most irish sites 40-60ms/ uk sites 65-90ms/us sites 150-170ms and that is at this time of night.So when it comes to eircoms flavour it ain't to hot and is obviously not just a couple of exchanges as I am hooked up to Coolock and I am sure MM is some where in town.

DC

Mountjoy Mugger said:
Maybe we're better moving this to Net/Comms?

I think it would be good in both places. Inadequacies in Eircom's DSL are worth highlighting.

Mods: Is it possible to split this thread in some way between IOFFL and Net/Comms?

The difference between €ircon and Esat is worth highlighting for a couple of days anyway. This is something Muck has been alluding to. I for one cannot understand why there is such a difference (2 - 4 times slower pings). Muck... is there a reason for this?

Sounds like you are on a Dublin exchange? I think the stats show the connection speeds are v. good between Churchfield and Dublin.

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by crazyasafox
So when it comes to eircoms flavour it ain't to hot and is obviously not just a couple of exchanges as I am hooked up to Coolock and I am sure MM is some where in town.

Yeah, I'm on the Summerhill exchange, which thankfully is on Esat's list of DSL enabled exchanges.

I've been getting these pings since Eircom were trialling the product though. I'm just pleasantly surprised that Esat are rolling out a decentish quality (no mention of price) flavour.

shinzon

2 questions i have that could be answered by you

1) Did you just have to pay for the installation when the engineer came

and

2) if not did you have to pay 3 months in advance ie 3x90= 270 euro plus installation of 125 quid

Just curious cause its a bit cloudy on if its actually a monthly or quarterly subscripton as has been mentione on several occasions on the boards

Oh and by the way the 90 quid according to ESAT themselves is vat included

TRI

eth0_

Originally posted by triacus98

2) if not did you have to pay 3 months in advance ie 3x90= 270 euro plus installation of 125 quid

Oh and by the way the 90 quid according to ESAT themselves is vat included

TRI

It's billed quarterly in advance so initial set up is hefty-ish.

Who in Esat told you it was VAT inclusive? It's €108ish including VAT.

Giblet

To those interested, heres what ISDN gets

Pinging www.barrysworld.co.uk [212.67.202.241] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=68ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=55ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=240

Ping statistics for 212.67.202.241:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 55ms, Maximum = 69ms, Average = 61ms



Pinging www.google.com [216.239.51.101] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=123ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=124ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=138ms TTL=49
Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=123ms TTL=49

Ping statistics for 216.239.51.101:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 123ms, Maximum = 138ms, Average = 127ms



Pinging www.ireland.com [195.7.33.37] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=42ms TTL=121
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=41ms TTL=121
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=121
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=121

Ping statistics for 195.7.33.37:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 27ms, Maximum = 42ms, Average = 34ms



Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.240.121] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.240.121: bytes=32 time=109ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.240.121: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.240.121: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.240.121: bytes=32 time=110ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 212.58.240.121:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 109ms, Maximum = 110ms, Average = 109ms

Shocking to see ISDN out do Eircom ADSL.

shinzon

An esat DSL rep i was talking on the phone to last week when i got my line tested

TRI

Gerry

I'm quite sure that it has been mentioned on IOFFL before, that eircom adsl has a setting in the exchange, apparently for fault tolerance, which causes these massive pings. There have to be people here who know what I'm talking about. If I had eircom dsl I'd ring my local engineer, and see if I could get this setting changed.

Boston

Originally posted by Gerry
I'm quite sure that it has been mentioned on IOFFL before, that eircom adsl has a setting in the exchange, apparently for fault tolerance, which causes these massive pings. There have to be people here who know what I'm talking about. If I had eircom dsl I'd ring my local engineer, and see if I could get this setting changed.

I know what your talking about, its a settign that allows adsl to be provided to more people, something to do with extending the range, and theres error protection involved that causes the abnormally large pings, nothing you can do about it. They wont change it.

ando

Originally posted by Boston
a settign that allows adsl to be provided to more people

thats bull**** from eircom, their still limited to 2.5km range, the average for world wide dsl.

BTW, UtvIp 64k isdn:

C:\>ping www.ireland.com

Pinging www.ireland.com [195.7.33.37] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=150ms TTL=116
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=150ms TTL=116
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=140ms TTL=116
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=141ms TTL=116

Ping statistics for 195.7.33.37:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 140ms, Maximum = 150ms, Average = 145ms


no supprise there than :rolleyes:

eth0_

Originally posted by triacus98
An esat DSL rep i was talking on the phone to last week when i got my line tested

TRI

Well...either it was someone very new to their job that you spoke to or they lied...the launch material I looked at said it was €90 excluding VAT (as all telephony prices are....)...i'm even getting it installed myself and was told €108 ish inc VAT.

I think you should call back and double check.

jd

Originally posted by ando
thats bull**** from eircom, their still limited to 2.5km range, the average for world wide dsl.

No it's not
interleaving is used by eircom-look it up on the interweb
jd

Boston

No offence but i used eircom adsl for 6 months i know what im talking about

btw i havent kept up with esats offering, what exactly do they offer in modems, just usb? also what kind of unbundling is it. because i only know of the two versions of bitstream currently being offered by eircom

btw 56k

E:\>ping www.ireland.com

Pinging www.ireland.com [195.7.33.37] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=190ms TTL=113
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=141ms TTL=113
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=150ms TTL=113
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=140ms TTL=113

Ping statistics for 195.7.33.37:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 140ms, Maximum = 190ms, Average = 155ms

MoSeS_.

Well they gave me an Erricson HM230dp Ethernet router

ESAT BT ADSL pings (from Galway)

Pinging www.barrysworld.co.uk [212.67.202.241] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=240
Reply from 212.67.202.241: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=240

Ping statistics for 212.67.202.241:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 40ms, Average = 32ms


Pinging www.ireland.com [195.7.33.37] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=117
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=117
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=117
Reply from 195.7.33.37: bytes=32 time=20ms TTL=117

Ping statistics for 195.7.33.37:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 20ms, Maximum = 20ms, Average = 20ms


Pinging www.google.com [216.239.51.101] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=130ms TTL=51
Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=120ms TTL=51
Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=120ms TTL=51
Reply from 216.239.51.101: bytes=32 time=120ms TTL=51

Ping statistics for 216.239.51.101:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 120ms, Maximum = 130ms, Average = 122ms


Pinging www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.36] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 212.58.224.36: bytes=32 time=40ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.224.36: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.224.36: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=248
Reply from 212.58.224.36: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 212.58.224.36:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 30ms, Maximum = 40ms, Average = 32ms

Boston

esat adsl Modem Found an interesting PDF file, well worth a read. Very interesting piece of kit, much better then the pos eircom sell. What did they charge you for it?

DC

That would be 0. I guess esat still own it, but you don't pay anything.

crazyasafox

Do Esat give the option to buy the modem/router instead of renting?

DC

There's no rent. Its not like there is an option to tell them keep the modem in exchange for a reduction.

LoBo

€125 install charge (ex vat) includes the modem.