Fine Gael critisise Aherns decision to force friaco!

Xterminator

Well there a turnaround for the books.

From this mornings Irish Times.

"In a clear signal of intent, Mr Ahern said he would issue a policy directive to the new commision, to order telecom firms to offer flat rate internet access services.

Fine Gael critisised the Minister's decision yesterday, Mr Simon Coveney said if the commision is to be effective, it must be independant."

Obviously going back to a 'Etain Doyle' situation where she allows the telco's to deide what that want to offer us, is what Fine Gael envisage.

The problem is i dont think Eircom, and co. will willingly give up the current money spinning methods, and when the do, it is slow, step by step stuff, like UTV's off peak offerings.(And that took how many years?)

Perhaps IOFL can educate Mr Coveney as to why it has become nessacary to force the telco's by direct action, as he seems hopeleesy out of touch on his stance!

X

dahamsta

I've asked him to call me. IrelandOffline should do the same.

Talk about misguided.

adam

MDR

Ok time for some re-educmication

Simon Coveney

This is you job peeps, go forth and re-edumicate, this guy is trying to mess up FRIACO. Tell him what you think.

Adam this is your stomping ground no ?

Typedef

Recomendation: Don't become involved in FF/FG mudslinging.

spongebob

Simon should be in Cork during the last weekend in November or thereabouts.

The Corkonian tendency in here should lash together a CommiTTee...call it CoffL or maybe SMOB ...Southern Movement for Broadband and then tramp down to him MOB handed as it were on the saturday to re-edumacate him on FRIACO and the like.

Then ye can go to a nice pub in Cork to celebrate at Cork prices.

Howz dat bhoy.

M

De Rebel

Phoned his office and mobile and left a message. He is at a meeting at present. I'm following up with a letter irrespective of whether or not I get to speak with him.

spongebob

as a sort of Southern flavour VinnyFitz

I'm sure Dahamsta Ozpass Timod and Yellum could manage an ad hoc CommiTTee along with you.

as long as one of ye is a constituent ye are already rolling

Go SMOB

M

De Rebel

Originally posted by Muck
I'm sure Dahamsta Ozpass Timod and Yellum could manage an ad hoc CommiTTee along with you.

all we need is to agree a pub for our early start (2.00pm ) meeting..... maybe the Motor Inn in Anglesea Street, accross the road from Simon's Constituency Office

vinnyfitz

www.simoncoveney.ie
Maybe without flat rate he can't afford to log on update it often!

Drazhar

just dont try to use the feedback on that site, here's what i got:

The recipient 'simon.coveney@oireachtas.irlgov.ie' is not in the list of acceptable recipients. Please inform the page's author that they need to update the form to contain a valid email address.

i think that just says it all really

Cork

FG are not in power. Don't worry about Mr. Covneys comments. The Minister seems to have made up his mind on this one.


(edited, relevant parts left in - party political broadcast deleted)

Cork - please keep the campaigning and backslapping in the Politics board. It's not what we're about here.

vinnyfitz

just in case you want to call him!

6a Anglesea Street
Cork
T: 021-4313100
F: 021-4316696

Dail Eireann
Dublin 2
T: 01-6183753
F: 01-6184506

pencil

Mail sent informing him of the unhelpfullness of his comments

daveirl

This post has been deleted.

De Rebel

Simon rang back and I spoke with him at some length. Asked him for a statement clarifying his position. He will e-mail same to me and he has agreed to it being posted here. I won't say anymore unitl I receive it.

I also asked if he would be interested in meeting with me to discuss the issue. (Thats meeting me as me, not me as a representative of anything). Anyone else interested? He suggested next weekend, if anyone is willing to join me we would need to meet mid week to agree an approach in advance.

Mentioned this thread to show him the speed of reaction and depth of feeleing. Thinking of printing it for him!Thoughts/Objections?

sax0000

Originally posted by De Rebel
Simon rang back and I spoke with him at some length. Asked him for a statement clarifying his position. He will e-mail same to me and he has agreed to it being posted here. I won't say anymore unitl I receive it.

I also asked if he would be interested in meeting with me to discuss the issue. (Thats meeting me as me, not me as a representative of anything). Anyone else interested? He suggested next weekend, if anyone is willing to join me we would need to meet mid week to agree an approach in advance.

Mentioned this thread to show him the speed of reaction and depth of feeleing. Thinking of printing it for him!Thoughts/Objections?

Why not e-mail him http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68597 and suggest that he have a look?

scoveney@oireachtas.ie

sax0000

ozpass

Thinking of printing it for him!Thoughts/Objections?

How acutely ironic that a debate (centred on a technological comms medium) must be printed to paper for presentation to a politician.:rolleyes:

De Rebel

Originally posted by sax0000
Why not e-mail him http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68597 and suggest that he have a look?

scoveney@oireachtas.ie

sax0000

done

yellum

/me slaps forehead. Can't believe a Cork man said this. We do need to educate this youngfellar.

Hannibal_12

I am at a complete loss as to the reasoning behind this statement. As has been said many times before if all of our telecommunications needs were to be decided by Eircom then I am quite sure we would be using two plastic cups with a string attached to the base of each for local calls and carrier pigeons for long distance messages and of course paying a suitably extortionate price.
Change is never easy to accomplish especially when you have a large inefficient monopoly attempting to prevent it but it is inevitable. I just hope that we don't see more comments like the one above or Ireland will remain the E-Tub for many years to come.

Scottish

Looks to me like lazy, knee jerk opposition for the sake of opposition. No thought or understanding in that statement.

Although he could be a massive Eircom shareholder, or in someones pocket who is a massive shareholder.... But there is absolutley nothing to suggest that. Is there?

pertinax

The whole point of this commision should be this:
The Public put presure on politicians.
Politicions tell commision what to do.

This commision has a function of improving the lot of the public doesn't it?

dahamsta

I imagine Coveney's argument is that the Commission is appointed by the Minister to look after regulatory issues, and that he should let it do it's job. It's a misguided and particularly naive argument, and Coveney should know better. He'd do well to remember where the narkiest members of IrelandOffline come from. Isn't that right yellum? Timod?

[ I'm Adam by the way Simon. I gave you first preference in the General Election, even though Fine Gael didn't follow though on the amendments it proposed to the Communications Bill. I also offered to meet with you to discuss the problems on several occasions, but you've just fobbed me off. You told me to my face that you replied to my email, but you didn't. I hope you don't expect my first preference in 2004. ]

adam

sax0000

Originally posted by Xterminator
Well there a turnaround for the books.

From this mornings Irish Times.

"In a clear signal of intent, Mr Ahern said he would issue a policy directive to the new commision, to order telecom firms to offer flat rate internet access services.

Fine Gael critisised the Minister's decision yesterday, Mr Simon Coveney said if the commision is to be effective, it must be independant."

Obviously going back to a 'Etain Doyle' situation where she allows the telco's to deide what that want to offer us, is what Fine Gael envisage.

The problem is i dont think Eircom, and co. will willingly give up the current money spinning methods, and when the do, it is slow, step by step stuff, like UTV's off peak offerings.(And that took how many years?)

Perhaps IOFL can educate Mr Coveney as to why it has become nessacary to force the telco's by direct action, as he seems hopeleesy out of touch on his stance!

X

Mr Coveney:

We have had “independence” and it doesn’t work. Certainly not in the way it was structured.

Why? Because there was little or no provision for customer input. The customer has been ignored and monopolistically abused and denied services as a result.

The ODTR was acting like a judge, deciding on issues arising between eircom and other industry participants. Lots of lawyers and other professional advisors making cases for eircom or BT or Wcom. Nobody representing the customer. Because there was no provision for such representation in the regulatory platform. Other agencies that might have a responsibility to the consumer – eg Consumer Affairs and the Competition Authority did nothing to fill the vacuum either.

The consumer’s interest is like a pressure cooker slowly on the boil without any valve. Perhaps there is some political recognition at this late stage that the customer can’t be ignored forever. We’ll have to wait and see if the political interference route pays any dividends. Or would we be better off with a sophisticated boards.ie type of regulatory system where everyone in the country could have a vote on each regulatory matter – as has been happening in Switzerland for several centuries – even without the benefit of the internet?

sax0000

dahamsta

[ This email was addressed to another person, and Cc'd to me -- the greeting also used the other person's name. I've left the crappy formatting in to demonstrate the technical genius of the person who sent it to me. ]

From: rhoran@oireachtas.ie
To: XXXXXXXXX@indigo.ie
cc: XX@X.XXXXXXX.net
Subject: Flat-rate internet access


Dear Mr XXXXXXXXX,

Simon Coveney asked me to forward the following to you:

Dear XXXX,

Thank you for contacting me by phone this morning. Your interest in this matter
is much appreciated. I hope the enclosed press release allays some concerns in
relation to the comments by me, printed in The Irish Times this morning.

I look forward to speaking to you next week.

Kind regards,

Simon Coveney
simon.coveney@oireachtas.irlgov.ie


Fine Gael National Press Office Press Statement
............................................................................?????????????
Leinster House Contact: Simon Coveney TD
Dublin 2 Rachel Horan Communications, Marine & Natural
Resources
Ireland 01 6183379- 086 3803187


Friday 1st November 2002

Directive on flat-rate internet access to be applauded ? political interference
to be avoided- Coveney


Fine Gael spokesperson on communications, marine and natural resources, Simon

Coveney TD, today (Friday) welcomed the Minister's decision to introduce a

policy directive to the new Commission on Communications Regulation to order

telecoms firms to offer flat-rate internet access services. However, he

cautioned against too much political influence being brought to bear on the

Commission.



"While it is welcome that the Minister has shown initiative to introduce vital

flat rate internet access, there must be caution that undue political pressure

is not brought to bear on the daily running of the Commission.



"Instead the Minister should ensure that the strong personalities appointed to

the Commission have the necessary powers to oversee a free and fair environment

for the communications industry in Ireland."

ENDS

Looks to me like classic backtracking.

adam

vinnyfitz

Looks to me like people got the message across to him pretty quick.
I'd say he will be attentive to the flatrate timetable and campaign from now on.
Another win for IOFFL members.

Xterminator

Now thats what I call a successful outcome.

His U-turn has brought a smile to my face.

Lesson to be learned from today Mr Coveney.
Think before you comment.

Nice 1 to all
X.

yellum

Originally posted by dahamsta
He'd do well to remember where the narkiest members of IrelandOffline come from. Isn't that right yellum? Timod?

Timods not narky, just pedantic. I agree with you though.

Simon I'm Damien, my family have been FG supports for 30 years but not for the past two general elections. You never visted my door nor did Deirdre. John Dennehy did, Batt answered my letters and Minister Martin actually helped my family a great deal when he was Minister for Education. I'll happily vote FG again if you cop on to reality and start thinking. Right now a corrupt party is in power. Your party needs to take some part of the blame for this. So think up ways of fixing things. Cheap net access is a good one, it can revive the celtic tiger you know.

De Rebel

Dear Mr ****,

Simon Coveney asked me to forward the following to you:

Dear ****,

Thank you for contacting me by phone this morning. Your interest in this matter is much appreciated. I hope the enclosed press release allays some concerns in relation to the comments by me, printed in The Irish Times this morning.

I look forward to speaking to you next week.

Kind regards,

Simon Coveney
simon.coveney@oireachtas.irlgov.ie


Fine Gael National Press Office Press Statement
............................................................................
Leinster House Contact: Simon Coveney TD
Dublin 2 Rachel Horan Communications, Marine & Natural
Resources
Ireland 01 6183379- 086 3803187


Friday 1st November 2002

Directive on flat-rate internet access to be applauded / political interference to be avoided- Coveney


Fine Gael spokesperson on communications, marine and natural resources, Simon Coveney TD, today (Friday) welcomed the Minister's decision to introduce a policy directive to the new Commission on Communications Regulation to order telecoms firms to offer flat-rate internet access services. However, he cautioned against too much political influence being brought to bear on the Commission.

"While it is welcome that the Minister has shown initiative to introduce vital flat rate internet access, there must be caution that undue political pressure is not brought to bear on the daily running of the Commission.

"Instead the Minister should ensure that the strong personalities appointed to the Commission have the necessary powers to oversee a free and fair environment for the communications industry in Ireland."

ENDS



MY COMMENTS

---

The sentiment of the above reflects the conversation I had with Simon Coveney this morning. For one I welcome his clarification.

We are more likely to achieve our ends by highlighting the issues, educating the decision makers and lobbying. As I no longer live in Dublin my opportunities to meet the decision makers are limited.

I fully respect the work that the committee are doing, but it is obviously important that we also keep the opposition aware of our concerns.

As I said in a previous post I will avail of the opportunit to meet Simon Coveney next week to set out the issues as the affect me. Other regulars are welcome , provided we can meet in advance to agree an approach.

vinnyfitz

Noel O'Flynn - who, I think, has very recently been appointed chairman of the Oireachtas committee which will be dealing with Communications.
Any volunteers to try and push flat rate and broadband up his priority list?

spongebob

Bertie has made Noel chairman of the committee on the Marine and Communications despite being an Inland TD .....a whiff of the Lee maybe but no fishermen in Noels constituency

See

M

Cork

Originally posted by De Rebel


Mentioned this thread to show him the speed of reaction and depth of feeleing. Thinking of printing it for him!Thoughts/Objections?

Either - He stands by his statement or not.

If he does or does not. It really does not metter.

Opposition TDs have not very much power.

FG Opposition TDs are not really worth a tought. The tooth fairy has more relevence in Ireland 2002.

(edit)Just one line edited this time Cork. See comments above - I'm very serious. Feel free to criticise particular people in a relevant way. Anything else will not be looked upon kindly. As stated above, there is a politics forum for general ranting about political matters. This isn't the place for general politicking and you know that.

Sorry - But - Opposition TDs don't make decisions. No Party politics intended.

daveirl

This post has been deleted.

Cork

Originally posted by daveirl
No one came to me at all!

Hmmm Simon's family didn't have an ansbacher account did they???

The late Hugh Coveney didn't have to resign after asking for political favours, did he?

FG are just as corrupt and I've never had much belief in Simon's ability to represent my constituency. He barely got elected the two times he ran and the first time he had the sympathy factor in the bye-election.

Anyway I've gone way OT. At least he back tracked due to our pressure.

Well done IOFFL!

Well - I think going on about corruption achieves nothing. We could write volumes about corruption in FG & other political parties.

But - discussing FG and their morals is better suited to the Politics Forum. FF will be in power for the next 5 Years. So far, the new Minister has been promising.

We are getting action, folks. There is a long way to go.

timod

Originally posted by yellum

Originally posted by dahamsta
He'd do well to remember where the narkiest members of IrelandOffline come from. Isn't that right yellum? Timod?

Timods not narky, just pedantic. I agree with you though.

wha?

BigEejit

Posted By Muck
Bertie has made Noel chairman of the committee on the Marine and Communications despite being an Inland TD .....a whiff of the Lee maybe but no fishermen in Noels constituency

Who (if any) are the other TD's in this committee and can some people here start hassling them to get the finger out....

dahamsta

I'm sober now Dustaz, and I'm annoyed. Don't edit my posts.

adam

Dangger

IOFFL met with David Stanton Fine Gael TD, Dail Deputy with responsilility for Information Society matters back in early September.

We discussed flat rate in detail in his office in Leinster House. He was even shown the forum and pointed to many relevant articles and sites.

I'm astounded at the original statments from Mr. Coveney.

Cork

I surpose - he tought that the job of an opposition party was to oppose.

There is no excuse for his comments.

Did he think that he was onto a winner?

Did he think that - he had the Minister on the ropes?

Heaven knows.

De Rebel

Originally posted by daveirl
Hmmm Simon's family didn't ................

Anyway I've gone way OT.

I wonder what people see as the objective of IOFFL. In the three months that I've been observing this forum I've seen just about every major player in the Telecomms infrastructure castigated in a personal capacity. I have no issue with people's professional failings being publicised and dissected. So what exactly is your tactic here DAVEIRL ? Attract peoples attention, throw their (or in this case their families) issues and alleged issues into their face and then sit back and wait for them to take our priorities on board and work away on our behalf ???

Cop on, grow up and get real. Out best bet is to bring people on board, feed them the facts and failings of the Irish Telecomms and ISP market and encourage them to work on our behalf.

Political rants belong in another place

DC

I agree with De Rebel here. To be taken seriously, mud slinging cannot be allowed, regardless of personal feelings.

Stick to the facts, the issues and educate. Respond to all politicians regardless of party, but stick to the issues. That way when we instruct them to read these threads, they will see us as serious people; determined people. People they should listen to.

Cork

Originally posted by De Rebel
Dear Mr ****,




Fine Gael National Press Office Press Statement
............................................................................
Leinster House Contact: Simon Coveney TD
Dublin 2 Rachel Horan Communications, Marine & Natural
Resources
Ireland 01 6183379- 086 3803187


Fine Gael spokesperson on communications, marine and natural resources, Simon Coveney TD, today (Friday) welcomed the Minister's decision to introduce a policy directive to the new Commission on Communications Regulation to order telecoms firms to offer flat-rate internet access services. However, he cautioned against too much political influence being brought to bear on the Commission.

ENDS

Not being party political - He welcomed on one hand and cautioned against too much political influence being brought to bear on the Commission on the other hand.

What exactly is he saying?

I think we all welcome the Ministers intervention to the new Commission on Communications Regulation to order telecoms firms to offer flat-rate internet access services.

Dustaz

Originally posted by dahamsta
I'm sober now Dustaz, and I'm annoyed. Don't edit my posts.

adam

Tough, see pm



Folks , I happen to agree 100% with derebel on this. This is NOT Politics forum. Please leave any political issues that are not related to Ireland Offline out of discussions.

sceptre

Originally posted by Cork
Not being party political - He welcomed on one hand and cautioned against too much political influence being brought to bear on the Commission on the other hand.

What exactly is he saying?

I think (and remember there's been some backtracking on this one by Mr Coveney) that what he's saying is that what the Minister has done/is planning to do is a good thing BUT that the Commission should be independent and that even though this announcement is a step forward, he wouldn't want a situation where influence brought to bear on an independent commission towards progress would be a precedent for other influence (some possibly not towards progress) in the future.

Which on the whole is, I suppose, a reasonable point. If the announcement Dermot Ahern had made was something like "I want the Commission to get rid of the price cap", many of us would be jumping down his throat, pushing the case that the Commission should be truly independent of government influence. The announcement has been positive so we haven't; however in the interest of fairness the principle should be the same regardless of the effect of the announcement/directive.

This is likely to be one of the main pillars on which any possible Eircom case agaist the Minister and/or Commission will stand - he may or may not actually have the power to do this. If he doesn't he's guilty of window dressing. The test is whether he'll actually issue the directive - if he does, he believes he does have the power; if he doesn't, it's back to window dressing land.

Personally I'm just going to be guilty of a double standard on this one and let it completely pass. This one suits the country - it's a good thing. If Dermot Ahern issues the directive/order, I'll lie down and think of Machievelli. In the future, when he may make another order that doesn't suit the country/me (such as maybe dropping the Eircom retail price cap as a bargaining chip), I'll happily scream blue murder.

dahamsta

Tough, see pm

I know it's not personal, but editing someone's posts is the wrong way to handle it. And, staying on topic...

Folks , I happen to agree 100% with derebel on this. This is NOT Politics forum. Please leave any political issues that are not related to Ireland Offline out of discussions.

The thread is political. Vinnyfitz mooted O'Flynn as a possible point of contact, which I object strenously to -- the man is an embarassment, I don't him fighting our battles, and many of my Cork colleagues will agree with me.

My post was rather strenuous, so I understand your point of view, but again, editing posts is unfair and results in confusion -- one member PM'd me this morning to ask why my post was under your name in the Recycle Bin.

If you'd quoted my post and ticked me off I probably would have been embarassed and apologised (to you, not to him). Now I'm just annoyed.

adam

Cork

I think (and remember there's been some backtracking on this one by Mr Coveney) that what he's saying is that what the Minister has done/is planning to do is a good thing BUT that the Commission should be independent and that even though this announcement is a step forward, he wouldn't want a situation where influence brought to bear on an independent commission towards progress would be a precedent for other influence (some possibly not towards progress) in the future

What would he do to get flat rate?
Would he leave it up to the commission?
What is he suggesting?

Slutmonkey57b

It's an interesting barometer of the importance politicians apply to the subject though, that this ... uhh... individual is responsible for

Communications.

The Marine.

and

Natural Resources.

Spot the odd man out.
One of these things is not the same.

timod

Originally posted by sceptre
...that the Commission should be independent and that even though this announcement is a step forward, he wouldn't want a situation where influence brought to bear on an independent commission towards progress would be a precedent for other influence (some possibly not towards progress) in the future.

Which on the whole is, I suppose, a reasonable point.

yeah, I'd kinda agree with this. The point about the commission being independent is valid - trouble is that the commission is likely to just sit back, and enjoy the status quo, which is why the minister should be lauded for his statement (even if for now, it is just a bunch of words)

As regards Simon Coveny, I've always found him quite receptive regarding the issues that concern us. I attended a conference which he was at last year, and I also sent in a question to a radio show he was at (Check my previous posts!), and on both occasions he spoke sensibly.

The oppositions role in parliment is to keep the government on it's toes, and in this sense, he's been playing as an opposition TD.

The very fact that he has been so open to communications with IOFFL members on this topic shows two things:
1) The membership of IOFFL are doing great work outside of the core committee work and
2) Simon Coveney is quite a reasonable character, and is open to our ideas and suggestions.

(Then again, I'm an realistic optimist )

I probably should end this by saying that I am not what one would call a Fine Gael supporter.

Tim

Dustaz

Originally posted by dahamsta

The thread is political. Vinnyfitz mooted O'Flynn as a possible point of contact, which I object strenously to -- the man is an embarassment, I don't him fighting our battles, and many of my Cork colleagues will agree with me.

No, its a thread about politicians, theres a difference. Your personal opinions count but theres a difference between calling an organisation something and a person something.

My post was rather strenuous, so I understand your point of view, but again, editing posts is unfair and results in confusion -- one member PM'd me this morning to ask why my post was under your name in the Recycle Bin.

If you'd quoted my post and ticked me off I probably would have been embarassed and apologised (to you, not to him). Now I'm just annoyed.

1. The actual editing caused no confusion whatsoever. I kept a copy of what you said in case anyone had issue with the editing. That is what a recycle bin is for.
2. When i edit dubious content out, its because i think it should be out, not quoted and repeated ad nauseum
3. I would have PMed you all this, but in the interests of you or anyone not freaking out and trying to set your people free i have responded here. If you have anything further to say, pm or email me.

yellum

I'd agree that O'Flynn is not the most intelligent guy around. I still think that with his moronic ideas about refugees he'd be the funniest Minister for Foreign Affairs ever without even trying.

I'd disagree that this was a Politics forum matter, a lot of the threads here are naturally going to be political in nature as well. All part of the m.o.

Personally insulting Noel ain't good either, but finding fault with his office should be okay. As a public representaive he should surely get negative feedback.

De Rebel

I am not here to defend Simon Coveney or any other politician, but I think I can clarify some of what being said. The comment attributed to Coveney in the very first post in this thread was apparently not a written statement; it was a verbal response to a question from a journalist. When speaking to him yesterday on the phone he felt that the printed comment misrepresented his position and he was at pains to point out that he was not against the directive in this case, but was speaking in his capacity as opposition spokesman to flag and warn about the dangers of political intervention. I believe the written statement posted yesterday makes this clear.

Whatever the background, the record now shows that the Government and the largest Opposition Party both support the directive. Nothing happened over the last couple of years simply because nobody took the lead. Finally, our politicians now recognise that it is there responsibility to lead on this issue. This is a massive breakthrough. At long long last someone has ownership of the issue.

The IOFFL committee now has access to the minister and his advisors. I believe that we can compliment this by meeting and briefing the other players, such as Coveney and O’Flynn, in their official capacities. I am not asking anybody here to like them as individuals, to agree with their politics or to vote for them. What I am asking is that we behave as mature adults and meet with them in their professional capacities to discuss our shared interests and further our common objectives.

I am taking a lead on meeting Coveney simply because he is local to me and it is convenient. I simply don’t have the time to travel to Dublin to engage in the efforts there. This is my contribution.


Can I ask others to help me. What I need from each of you is

1. 3 or 4 bullet points of the key issues we want addressed going forward
   
2. If you have a little more time a paragraph setting out your/your employer’s/your client’s current situation and how the Telecomms/ISP situation impacts negatively or costs you. (I will also be drawing from Tom Dunne’s “Calling all multi-national workers” thread) i.e. In my case I am a self employed consultant/contractor. It takes me 2 days income per month (out of 22 billable days) to pay my communications bills – rental, land line usage, mobile usage, ISP costs etc. This is unacceptable, wholly at odds with international norms and and I want it addressed.

(mod edit - just added bold text as it's pretty important (probably enough to warrant its own thread tbh). No text modified)