Phantasm + misc. meanderings

GerK

OK so I went to Phantasm tonite .. I KNOW I saw Sandi (Goth chick with lower lip peircing), she was just like her pic .. but I was too shy to introduce myself and I was talking to Sinister Pete at the end of the nite and he was just about to introduce me to the P(h)ub crawl peoples there (i.e. Sandi)when the bouncers ushered me out of the building.

So this is the first time in ages (Bloody work!) I've been to Phantasm and it was pretty damn cool .. Pete played a damn fine set, (not the usual "Whelans Tape" they seem to play every other nite). Cheers for playin Incubus for me BTW Pete and OF COURSE I know the lyrics to miserable .. Its like it was written about me and my ex so I know it all too well.

So Kurdt, et al tell us where yis were what ye were wearin and see if I can identify you!

johnnynolegs

gerky gerky gerky

u mite not have seen us but we saw u ah yes we did we did

we were all standing rite in front of the stage on the right hand side if you face it from the dj box

i was wearing a wine and blue tracksuit top and baggy pants

kurdt was wearing a rather funky shirt with a long sleeved t underneath it

sandi was as u described her

silverfish was wearing a F&^K THIS GIG t-shirt

so there u go thast should be enuff to describe us all methinks...............

thedrowner

gerk i left early coz i wasnt well, but were u wearing a red jumper and had kind of dreadlocky hair? that was kind of red? sorry

one thing i ave to say about phantasm, as opposed to all the other alt clubs, its usually pretty consistent in that most of the stuff they play is great to dance to and there are very few songs that i wanna sit down for, whereas id be likea yo yo at other alt clubs.

johnnynolegs

this is exactly true rosemary my ice cream obsessed friend

so r u feeling any better now?

GerK

Oh man was I pissed last night! I barely remember posting that message. I'm only just up (no work for me today I guess!) and there appears to be a field of cotton growing in my gob.

I *TOTALLY KNEW* that was u guys bside the toilets! You had Phantom clique written all over yis!

Muhahahhaahaha now *I* have the upper hand I know who you all are but I can melt into the shadows

Seriously tho I walked by you guys a bunch of times eyeing you with my steely gaze, I was wearing a Drugs + Money = Chicks t-shirt (which I cant find this morning!) and I have shoulder length kinda browny blondy hair.

So who was the mildly scary looking guy with the beard and the cute chick with the strawberry blonde hair? They are both in Whelans ALL THE TIME!

Drowner are you sure u arent describing Elton there? I'm afraid that wasnt me altho he sounds way more interesting

So anyway damn my timid nature!

johnnynolegs

i think u be talking about daniel and dee

and what the hell???? phantom clique??????

we weren't beside the toilets either we were over the other side of the stage - beside the front bar.............

thedrowner

if the guy with the beard has curly toploader hair thats daniel, he in the band...sorry near the band near the big green, he he. they supported turn in whelans a while ago.

and the girl is rapture queen from this board, kurdt's other half!

GerK

Ah right .. I pegged Kurdt for the bearded one

johnnynolegs

those be them drowner me pretty - so what time did u get home at last nite and r u feeling alrite today???

thedrowner

got the last bus and am over my illness, yes

johnnynolegs

well that si good yay for u

kurdt as the bearded one hehehe that is quite funny..........

Kurdt

me couldnt grow a beard if i trieD!!!!!


and i have tried!!! its funny!!!

Silverfish

How did I miss this thread?

My hangover was pretty epic this morning, I drove to terenure for a latte and BLT and then I drove to Navan for steak and chips, and all the time my head was hurting and my phone was beeping and my car overheated in the Pheonix park and I had to pour my bottle of Ballygowan into it and I was thirsty all the way home.
And then some.

Did we have a good night? Apologies for my space-cadet-falling-asleep type thing in Whelans.


PS Kurdt with a beard.....lol!!!

Silverfish

And another thing, more on the point than usual for me.....

Phantasm was quite good, apparently some sinister guy or something was djing , everything he played was all good. There was two songs in particular I couldn't identify and really liked, but couldn't wake up enough to ask anyone what they were. Boooo to me.

buzzerbuckley

Good to see Phanthasm back to it`s best last night,after a summer of drivel!
Praise the lord that the thrash such as alien ant farm,limp biscuit and all them other nu metal thrash bands have been returned to the scrapheap,where they belong!

Instead we had the glorious tunes such as fascination st.,I wanna be adored,rise and a special mention to "infected"!all that was needed was something from the smiths (other than the played to death "this charming man") and we would have been doing cartwheels up wexford st!

You have re set the standard boys,dont lower it again.....

Silverfish

Indeed, Mr Buzzer, you seem to go around hitting nails on the head.

Phantasm last night was a great improvement on the 'ho-hum' feel it normally has, and all thanks to some sinister guy called Pete. The thing of 'going with what works' isn't always for the best, and means that a lot of good songs get played to death.

Applause and flowers for Pete.


But Buzzer, you could at least have said hello to me.

frank05330

so half of ye crazy phantom heads are daniels mates... thats really strange. although i had no idea, i was the bloke with the wine coloured hat on, standin in the middle of ye all...
yehs, it'll be a while before my face is shown in whelans again. *hmpf!*

frank05330

oh, and, LOL!!!! "mildly scary lookin bloke with the beard"... daniel... cute fluffy cuddly daniel! thats just hilarious....

Silverfish

'Cute Fluffy Daniel' broke my lighter in the TBMC. And didn't even say hello to me last night when I was standing right next to him.

Cute Fluffy Daniel indeed............

frank05330

im sure the lighter incident was accidental...

and did you ever consider that he might think the exact same thing!? silverfish was standing right next to me, and she(he...?) didnt even say hi to me... :eek:
sometimes ye just gotta take the iniciative....

Silverfish

I regret to say that at that point Silverfish was unable to communicate.

The God of Guinness had visited upon her a thousandfold. (Well, three)

The lighter debacle was fully intentional, I'm sure.....!

frank05330

well, next time you see me/us, which (if you know a good gig when you see one...) will be on september the 12th, supporting BLOTOOTH in whelans, just make yourself known and i shall be more than happy to provide you with a replacement lighter, courtesy of near the big green...

Silverfish

I'll be there anyway, I get a bit bothered when I miss a Blotooth gig.

And good plug, by the way. Well done, that man.

frank05330

i do try. when there's a blatant opportunity to plug like that its gotta be taken. i did it for blotooths sake as much as our own. and anyway, the point of the post was to fix your damaged opinions of daniel. i hate when misunderstandings lead to the disliking of genuinely lovely people...

Silverfish

oooops I was just joking.....

buzzerbuckley

could have but ive no idea who u are

Silverfish

You could just walk around asking random people are they Silverfish. You're bound to find me eventually.

I can't believe I'm posting such trivial crap. Terrible.

rapture_queen

Hmmmmmmmmm at the top of my screen is an ad for "blue Movies"
How very interesting.
Well once again i danced my ass off(o yes it came straight off).


GerK u should have said hello.

WE shouted at some random guy thinkin it was u-but it wasnt!

Kurdt

ah the daniel appreciation thread...

but how did it get so long?

buzzerbuckley

getting back to the music..........

threefour

I've been going to Phantasm since it started in the Beanery all those years ago and have noticed recently how pants it's getting. I think it may have to do with the revolting music and 'Ignorant Pete' the DJ. What ever happened to playing songs that people request? What ever happened to manners? Don't get me wrong Phantom FM is an asset to all, but a change of phantasm DJ may be of some use.

megameaty

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Phantasm but I must admit there is a certain Phantom DJ I ain't very fond of. In fact I was at Phantasm not to long ago and he very rudely said to my friend:
"I don't really care what you request because to be honest I'm gonna play what ever I want".
I'm sorry, but that's a purely selfish thing to say. Since when did the DJ's taste in music become priority over phantoms many listeners?!

Sinister Pete

The Sinister One Speaks.

If you want a DJ to play whatever it is you want to hear all the time, then hire one. I don't have any problem with taking requests, I always entertain whatever people are looking for.

Enter Alcohol and people become totally different. If people tell me the music I'm playing is crap, change it NOW, I'm sorry I'm not going to give them the time of day. If the same people come up to me and ask me for the same song all night long, it gets to be less and less of a consideration. I remember what people want and I'll get it on when the time is right. That's the job. It's not a power trip, it's not a snobish reaction. It's work, sometimes its hard work. We've got a room full of people to please. Not just you. Be patient, relax and enjoy yourself.

lamda

Hmmmm i have to say i found it alla bit hit and miss for me on thursday....and when i was leaving at about 2 the dancefloor was completely cleared...not a good sign... I was thinking some smiths would have been nice as well. What difference does it make woulda had me dancin like a loon!:)

lamda

Aw to sing the praises of mildly scary daniel....theres no MILDLY about it!! And rapture queen i found your ass on the floor in whelans...its in my house collect it soon its scaring the family. What else...I didnt know you were there drowner! Must have just missed you! And johnnynolegs many apologies for not saying hello to you in whelans even though i was among the group...but dee never said it was you so i am not the unfriendly cow i appear!!...well not really. Hmmm and frank weve known who you are all along.....
thats it. over and out

bandit

well said mr pete well said BUT may i just ask does anyone read the other threads there has been about 4 different threads now relating to phantasm all making more or less the same points this is pointless and just taking up valuable real estate on the board...........

myles

For me, Pete's choice in music is an education. Maybe thats just because I'm a musician and want to hear music that I'm unfamilier with or dont hear too often. Every song he turns is hoppin. Even if it's some little bands demo he sticks on, fair f u c k i n play! I've never seen the floor empty!

I rest my faith in whatever he decides to play and admire his choice because ..lets face it.... it's pete damn it.

Went to see a few Dj's I admire play in a few different clubs around town and enjoy hearing their influences and what gets THEM rockin.

People who say they dont enjoy phantasm any more, are people not willing to open their ears to anything beyond their own record collection.

relax would ya.

(did'nt score maybe?)

Ed

People don't seem to understand that dj's can't bring their entire record collection to a club, number one, it's really ****ing heavy, and nymber two, most dj's will usually bring a decent selection of stuff people will recognise along with whatever they happen to be listening to at the time. It's incredibly irritating when someone comes up and asks for something which you don't have with you and they start to moan and tell you how **** you are. Most folks don't seem to understand that while djing can be great fun and is an absurdly well paid job, it's nt the dj's job to play everything you want, if you don't like phantasm cuz you don't like the music stay at home and listen to your own record collection. Just because a dj is playing something that you don't recognise doesn't mean he's a **** dj, it means he or she is trying to figure out what's gonna get the best reaction from the crowd, most dj's don't go out with the intention of just playing what they have on a setlist, they go out and try to make folks smile and have a good time and have a bit of a dance.

Silverfish

All very valid points, but at the same time,

djing can be great fun and is an absurdly well paid job, it's nt the dj's job to play everything you want, if you don't like phantasm cuz you don't like the music stay at home and listen to your own record collection

Fair enough. But these people are the paying punter, and if they all DID stay at home and listen to their record collection, how long do you reckon you'd have a job for?

I mean, its fine if you think a song wouldn't suit the....er....vibe.. or if you don't have it with you, but

I don't really care what you request because to be honest I'm gonna play what ever I want

seems to be the general attitude of quite a few dj's. (I am not saying it's yours).

If someone's paid their (exorbitant) admission and, as a result, the dj's wages (quote:an absurdly well paid job) maybe the dj should bear in mind that without these people, he's be at home playing his stuff to the cat?

Thats not to say he/she should honour every request for the Tweenies or whatever, and I'm sure when a stream of people come up requesting the same song you feel like cracking them upside the head.
But I do find the music at Phantasm generally good, if a song I don't like comes on, I go to the bar, because the law of averages state that not every song will be to my liking. I don't bitch and moan at the dj about it.

In short (bit late now) I had a damn good night at Phantasm last Thursday, and Pete played loads of great music.

Sandi

There ain't nothin' wrong with PHantasm...(there should always be the "h" in there). Threefour, do you know why it's called Phantasm? Basically you're gonna hear a lot of stuff you hear on Phantom. And why do we listen to Phantom? Because we like the music they play! Sinister Pete does a damn good job and if you're not prepared to hear new material or songs that we wouldn't hear that often then why do you bother going?

megameaty

I just wanna point out, I personally never said that I disliked the music that the phantom DJ's play, nor did I say that I wasn't open to hearing new music etc.
I was simply trying to highlight the fact that DJ's can often have a bad attitude towards their work. As already mentioned, DJs are well paid and have an enjoyable job, the least they can do is be polite to their punters.
Also, I believe that if someone has paid in, then requested a song that is suitable, the DJ should have the decency to play it. Or if not, don't be an assh*le about refusing to play it

Ed

I understand how some folks might get upset at a dj's attitude, and some dj's are just pricks but that's just life. What most people don't realise is that some punters are complete pricks too. Ive been djing at screamadelica on a regular basis for almost 2 years and for the most part i'm always in a good mood and will play pretty much whatever people want if i have it or something resembling it. But unfortunately i spend a lot of my time in screamadelica sober surrounded by drunk punters who for the most part are lovely but every so often you get a couple of complete muppets with really ****ty attitudes brought on by an excess of drink, generally i try to humour people but from time to time they just become unbearable and can take all enjoyment out of a job i love doing and am very lucky to be able to do. So while i understand that from time to time you'll come across a grumpy dj, it's not always down to the dj themselves.

Silverfish

Ed, Ed, Ed........

We know some punters (as they shall henceforth be called) are not nice. It happens in every job. My job is a complete bitch, but I don't go taking it out on innocent bystanders. (Well, someday I will.)
But, it does go with the territory, if you choose to work in an alcohol serving environment, don't act all disguntled when you meet drunk people.

I don't feel its entirely reasonable when I get snapped at by a dj for requesting a song, when I'm not aware that five minutes before someone with a few drinks on them asked for it. We are not one huge amalgamated crowd, we are individuals. We don't run around checking with everyone to see what they've requested.

ED:Yes, you are very lucky to be doing the job you love doing, and WE are lucky that you're good at it.


DJ's IN GENERAL: we'd just like it if dj's treated us as we are, the paying customer, and not as an interference into their private world.

A point you make though:

I understand how some folks might get upset at a dj's attitude, and some dj's are just pricks but that's just life

Fair enough. But then:

every so often you get a couple of complete muppets with really ****ty attitudes brought on by an excess of drink, generally i try to humour people but from time to time they just become unbearable

Isn't that just life too?

Sinister Pete

Take aim: One Myth

Djs get paid big money. BANG!!

Phantasm DJs get paid less than half of what the regular Whelans DJ's get. The other half goes straight to Phantom. Not that that makes a big difference to how anyone is treated but when people have been drinking, their sense of how to behave changes and in the morning they think "That guy was a real jerk.". The reality being, some nights half the people that request (Read: order you to play songs) are drunk and rude to you. Some start off completely abusive.

I don't treat anyone ANYONE in the service industry as if they are a slave to my every whim.

Why Don't I Get To Hear My Request?

I can't speak for everyone but when I go into Whelan's I have no idea what I'm going to play but I will do my utmost to put songs on in an order that makes sense and goes together well without putting on the old familiar set list, which I'm sure we could all name by now. Having said that, it takes time to get to certain tracks. Some I never get to. SORRY. During the course of a song I might put in three or four CDs to see which might go best.

Sometimes it goes wrong, mostly because of people who start arguing with me about what I should play or asking me what I have. I have 200 CD's and no time to tell you them all. Sheesh.

You hire me and I'll play whatever you want in whatever order you want. But then again, your stereo does that for free.

Silverfish

Fair enough, Sinister, you can't please all the people all the time....

But that's you, anyway. Pretty much everyone said you do a great job, which was obvious to me, even in my semi-comatose state on Thursday night. No complaints.

I wasn't assuming you earned loads of money, I was quoting from Ed, a dj himself, it appears. But that's a whole other issue.

But for the record (whether you play it or not...) ..... we don't pay for Phantom. So I have no issue whatsoever handing over my hard earned europes for Phantasm, especially since 50% goes to Phantom.

Hell, I'd nearly do what I did for the Phundraiser....when they wouldn't let me in (too full) I paid the money anyway and went away.

Ed

lol, it appear i may have made it sound like i get paid a gratuitously large amount of money, to be more precise, i get very well, but not weel enough to make a living out of it unfortunately

Silverfish

Sorry to have dragged you away from the pool there Ed.

Hey, watch the butler, it looks like he's using Jif on your Beemer......

I think thats something for you and the Phantasm dj's to slug out between yourselves. (Three rounds, in the ring, losers pay the rent for the winners)

Ahhh, it pleases me greatly to know the petty inhouse gossip, rumours and bitterness about pay is not localized to where I work.......!!

rapture_queen

Wow such a heated debate-thats what i like to see.

When i go to phantasm i like to dance and hence leave
my ass on the floor by doin it(Lamda i will take my ass home soon!)

I also like listening to good music........but sometimes it is very hard to leave your ass on the floor when their is 4-5 toned downed meloncholic songs on in a row for example...................

.......U love these songs but ur ass is still firmly fixed on.

i am gettin to a point.....My point is that the some commercial
songs/requests are good for dancin and hence ppl dont feel the
want of their regular bedroom entertainment.

Thank u for tuning in to that load of ****!:p :eek:

GerK

ok I was away the weekend so I'm only catching up now ...

Rapture_queen: Yea I suck I shoulda said hi but I am ULTRA shy with people I don't know (then when I get to know u, it'll be all "jesus does that guy ever SHUT up, he's such a freakin' loudmouth?!?")

I've been going to Phantasm since it started in the Beanery all those years ago and have noticed recently how pants it's getting. I think it may have to do with the revolting music and 'Ignorant Pete' the DJ.

Well that was the first time I saw Pete DJ, and I asked for Incubus and he didnt play it ...... for ages and I almost lost faith, I cursed him I did
But I was WRONG oh SOOO wrong, forgive me oh exhalted 'left handed' one.
So for me he has a 100% record. I have the feeling tht if I asked for Incubus a second/third/fourth time it may not have been played but hey I'd do the same thing. PUNISH THE PUSHY I SAY!

Like I said at the start this is the first time in ages I've been to Whelans I could't play guess the track list and win, so
CHEERS to Pete and
JEERS to his detractors!

threefour

To reply to some of the posts…


“I don't have any problem with taking requests, I always entertain whatever people are looking for.”
- I don’t know whether I caught you on a bad night (I presume I did), but you seemed more interested in pissing me off than playing any song that I requested. It wasn’t that i was requesting Chesney Hawkes or something, just some good oul alternative Phantasm music.

“Enter Alcohol and people become totally different”
“but when people have been drinking, their sense of how to behave changes and in the morning they think "That guy was a real jerk.". The reality being, some nights half the people that request (Read: order you to play songs) are drunk and rude to you. Some start off completely abusive.”
- I do drink, and sometimes a lot, but on this occasion I certainly wasn’t drinking, just out for a good night. I requested one song and probably will never ask again.

“We've got a room full of people to please. Not just you. Be patient, relax and enjoy yourself”
- I understand this, but I do remember Phantasm not so long ago where I’d want to dance to 80%+ of the music. Haven’t seen that sort of Phantasm in a while. I’m not saying I don’t enjoy myself – I do, I’m just saying how I feel that Phantasm is deteriorating.

“well said mr pete well said BUT may i just ask does anyone read the other threads there has been about 4 different threads now relating to phantasm all making more or less the same points this is pointless and just taking up valuable real estate on the board...........”
- No bandit, I don’t read the other threads, and even if I did surely its still reasonable that I’m allowed to express my concerns. Valuable? Real Estate? – Grow a second brain or something, it sounds like you need one.

“For me, Pete's choice in music is an education.”
- Yeah Pete’s music is an education, and don’t get me wrong, I like hearing it on the station, but I gotta say that its not inspiring me on the dance floor, and believe me I don’t need a lot of inspiring on the dance floor.

“Every song he turns is hoppin”
- So maybe rabbits might like it, but I sure am unconvinced.

“I've never seen the floor empty!”
- Neither did Stevie Wonder

”I rest my faith in whatever he decides to play and admire his choice because ..lets face it.... it's pete damn it. “
- See my ‘grow a second brain’ idea above. No seriously think about it. Or maybe grow a longer tongue, so you lick his a*$? more easily.

People who say they don’t enjoy phantasm any more, are people not willing to open their ears to anything beyond their own record collection.
- Actually try a new idea I have. It’s called ‘grow a third brain’

(didn’t score maybe?)
- I was there with my girlfriend, so I think that speaks for itself

“If you don't like phantasm cuz you don't like the music stay at home and listen to your own record collection.”
- I’ve been going to Phantasm since it started, I even own one of those naff black and white phantom-fm T-Shirt’s., I dig phantom fm.

“Just because a dj is playing something that you don't recognise doesn't mean he's a **** dj”
- I recognise all the songs he plays, so that’s not an issue.

“It means he or she is trying to figure out what's gonna get the best reaction from the crowd”
- I think he’s had enough time to figure it out by now.

“Threefour, do you know why it's called Phantasm? Basically you're gonna hear a lot of stuff you hear on Phantom”.
- Really, did you read what I said about the beanery. Do you know what the Beanery is?

‘If you're not prepared to hear new material or songs that we wouldn't hear that often then why do you bother going?’
- Oh so that’s what Phantasm is about. I’ve been going regularly for 4 years, I’m just saying its not as good as it was, even say a year ago was way better than it is now.

“Also, I believe that if someone has paid in, then requested a song that is suitable, the DJ should have the decency to play it. Or if not, don't be an assh*le about refusing to play it”
- Well pointed out. Exactly what I was saying.

“I don't feel its entirely reasonable when I get snapped at by a dj for requesting a song, when I'm not aware that five minutes before someone with a few drinks on them asked for it. We are not one huge amalgamated crowd, we are individuals. We don't run around checking with everyone to see what they've requested.” – Mr Perfect couldn’t put it better

“but when people have been drinking, their sense of how to behave changes and in the morning they think "That guy was a real jerk.". The reality being, some nights half the people that request (Read: order you to play songs) are drunk and rude to you. Some start off completely abusive.”

“I also like listening to good music........but sometimes it is very hard to leave your ass on the floor when their is 4-5 toned downed meloncholic songs on in a row for example...................” – True, So True

Unfortunately I missed last Thursday, (first one I missed in ten weeks), maybe I just need some time out from phantasm, grow some brains or something, but whatever comes of this, I think I’ve made a fair point. Pete, I’ve got nothing against you, I expect you were having a bad night. I’ll put it down to that. I am still though worried about the music content though. I think it’s becoming a bit ‘hit and miss’ of lately. And to be honest some people I know have said this to me aswell and to quote an email I got this week “whelans was ok, not the best time I’ve been there but still a luagh, they played white stripes and dandys but i didnt like the dj cos he wouldn't play jimi or pixies or smiths or my sharona for me”.

Am I making a fair point here?

GerK

Wow, I *think* you might be talkin all the posts on this thread a directed personally at you dude .. All I know is I was geting a little sick of Whelans 'cos the music was getting stagnant. Pete played a good set and most importantly it wasnt the usual list.
And if you think Pet is tough on requests you should try the standard guys, usual responce is "I don't have it" I once had the DJ say that to me about 3 bands in a row and it wasn't overly obscure stuff, Jimmy Eat World, Incubus and Mundy actually!!! Finally I lucked out on RHCP.

You might wanna try the Thomas Reids basement, that guy is really nice, he'll play almost anything you like, right up to bringing your own CD's if he thinks their suitable. But the vibe there is kinda a greatest hits of indy/rock (new and old) not so much for the dancing.