bloody unix!

WhiteWashMan · 03-06-2001 3:15pm #1

ok,
i have been looking at a lot of support jobs in england recently, for both desktop and network positions. but bugger me if most of them are looking for unix as well.
can someone point me in the right diretion of unix. ie, what the fluck is it?
ive never used it, and ive never even seen what it is.
anyone know any nice websites that explin unix in nice easy terms so i can at least say i konw what its is....

JustHalf · 03-06-2001 9:04pm

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
ok,
i have been looking at a lot of support jobs in england recently, for both desktop and network positions. but bugger me if most of them are looking for unix as well.
can someone point me in the right diretion of unix. ie, what the fluck is it?
ive never used it, and ive never even seen what it is.
anyone know any nice websites that explin unix in nice easy terms so i can at least say i konw what its is....

Unix is an OS for big servers, usually. Linux is a variant of it. If you know your way around Linux, you pretty much know your way around Unix (at least until xinetd came around

). FreeBSD might help you too.

The FreeBSD handbook is definitely worth a read. Just check out http://www.freebsd.org .

And if you see any spare jobs, give me a shout!

JustHalf · 03-06-2001 9:06pm

... except they're damn well in England! Sorry about that.

Trojan · 04-06-2001 2:50am

Eamonn, install Linux somewhere and start ****ing round with it. Maybe do some simple C programs on it too, give you an idea of whats there. It's not that hard to get the hang of. Cmd line like DOS is really powerful in UNIX (its the main way to interact with the OS).

Nae bather to ya.

Alo.

WhiteWashMan · 04-06-2001 9:12am

Originally posted by Trojan:
Eamonn, install Linux somewhere and start ****ing round with it. Maybe do some simple C programs on it too, give you an idea of whats there. It's not that hard to get the hang of. Cmd line like DOS is really powerful in UNIX (its the main way to interact with the OS).

Nae bather to ya.

Alo.

i figured it was a command line OS. to be honest one of the reasons i dropped out of college was because i was crap at C.
lets face it, i think that anyone who can program a computer language is either a)very boring, b)a coplete maniac or c)obviously cant spell....
might just have a look at it though even if it is to just load it and look around. i was going to try it earlier in life, but back then there was nice gui interfaces and people always moaned that you had to write your own drivers etc for adding cards etc

just seemed like to much hard work!

JustHalf · 04-06-2001 12:29pm

...but just like DOS, it has things like Windows 3.1 (only a lot better). KDE and Gnome rock as GUI's.... X Windows is what's used to display graphics.

amp · 05-06-2001 12:03am

To me Linux and Unix are more about a state of mind than os'. And that's a state of mind I don't want to be in.

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azezil · 05-06-2001 12:00pm

ya get gui's to run on os, eg. red hat, i looks quite like windows but has some more interesting features!

cuts out the need to remember all those dos like commands!

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Shiminay · 05-06-2001 12:06pm

Learn about vi - it's the "Notepad" of Unix. Your main tool for the job.
If someone talks to you about Emacs - run away and phone the Gardaí.

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ButcherOfNog · 05-06-2001 12:39pm

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:

anyone know any nice websites that explin unix in nice easy terms so i can at least say i konw what its is....

i spent 3yrs working with unix and kept learning new stuff about it everyday ... i don't think its something you can learn from a book, you need the hands on experience.

Loomer · 05-06-2001 1:07pm

Kharn - I want that t-shirt

P.S. Whitewashman - Read this and all will be revealed http://www.samag.com/articles/1998/9807/9807f/9807f.htm

I just started messing around with Linux and am trying out Solaris as that is what they use at work(Linux much nicer tho

) I always have Google open and just type what I am looking for usually get best answers from bulliten boards etc G'Luck

unsane · 08-06-2001 3:06pm

can i axe you a question??

you are a moderator of this board and you dont know what unix is.

right, i understand that you might not moderate the board in the sense that you actually work with the html etc.

but christ. how can you not know what unix is????

Cake Fiend · 08-06-2001 5:16pm

Ah, now it all becomes clear. 'unsane' is not the only one to see a direct link between a general 'Work' board and a server operating system.

K!LL!@N · 08-06-2001 5:33pm

I told you this would happen Conor.

Just cos he's a Mod, doesn't mean he has any involvement with Unix.

[fist]Pi$$er · 11-06-2001 10:34am

didnt bother to read the replies btw if u have no idea the For Dummies books are a must, they are great for covering all the stoopid Qs.

Dont want to buy them? #bookz on Undernet

WhiteWashMan · 11-06-2001 10:56am

Originally posted by unsane:
can i axe you a question??

you are a moderator of this board and you dont know what unix is.

right, i understand that you might not moderate the board in the sense that you actually work with the html etc.

but christ. how can you not know what unix is????

i tell you what, you can ASK me a question.
at least try and use english. its the prefered form of communication here.
i am a moderator of a board and yes i do know what unix is. the meaning of my post is to find out how unix operates and works.

and since you seem to know so much, why dont you explain the meaning of life to me. i mean, youre living, you are alive, therefor you should be able to tell me that?

normally id say the most stupid question is an unasked one. but im seriously thinking of redefining my definition on that one.
try not to be such a plank in future.

regi · 11-06-2001 11:23pm

Learn about vi - it's the "Notepad" of Unix. Your main tool for the job.
If someone talks to you about Emacs - run away and phone the Gardaí.

Aah no way... Emacs is the daddy and VI knows it.

NinjaBart · 12-06-2001 12:12pm

you'd be surprised.

WhiteWashMan · 12-06-2001 12:18pm

Originally posted by NinjaBart:
you'd be surprised.

correct. i would be surprised, but only if it was a really wet paper bag

NinjaBart · 12-06-2001 2:48pm

shouldn't you be off getting some unix skillz?

WhiteWashMan · 12-06-2001 3:03pm

Originally posted by NinjaBart:
shouldn't you be off getting some unix skillz?

shouldnt you be having your afternoon nap or is creche out early today?

NinjaBart · 12-06-2001 3:50pm

I've just had my nap thanks. Beats working.

NinjaBart · 12-06-2001 11:40pm

don't make me smack you.

WhiteWashMan · 12-06-2001 11:57pm

Originally posted by NinjaBart:
don't make me smack you.

you wouldnt smack your way out of a wet paper bag

WhiteWashMan · 13-06-2001 9:13am

Originally posted by NinjaBart:
I've just had my nap thanks. Beats working.

yes i can see youve had your nap. it has obviously allowed you to think up some really good comebacks....

NinjaBart · 13-06-2001 2:19pm

I'm not sure what to say to a man who's so intent on stopping me from smacking Regi.

WhiteWashMan · 13-06-2001 3:18pm

Originally posted by NinjaBart:
I'm not sure what to say to a man who's so intent on stopping me from smacking Regi.

im a pacifist and its my board so i'll post what i like

NinjaBart · 13-06-2001 3:39pm

Ok, I didn't realise you were mod, I assumed a moderator would be trying to keep retarded threads like this to a minimum rather than encouraging them.

I'll leave it at that.

Hobbes · 15-06-2001 1:09pm

WWMan is really a cuddly teddybear NinjaBart.. that will probably rip your throat out 5 months later when you least expect it. He has your IP address at least.

Unix is a large ham sandwich.

sutty · 19-06-2001 12:58pm

Hay Eamo

If you find out anything of intrest could you mail me?

I've been asked by my new boss to learn how to use it

Thanks

Ciaran Sutcliffe
aka: sutty
[HIV]sutty
For a good time goto:
http://www.hotinternetvirgins.com

WhiteWashMan · 19-06-2001 1:30pm

Originally posted by NinjaBart:
Ok, I didn't realise you were mod, I assumed a moderator would be trying to keep retarded threads like this to a minimum rather than encouraging them.

I'll leave it at that.

well, no...
its not a retarded thread as it originally asked about information regarding unix.
but since you appeared and started making silly statements i felt i ought to oblige and reply back to you.
anyway, i am a very easy going moderator and dont mind engaging in mindless banter every now and then.
sutty, the links given above are useful for an over view of unix which is exactly what i was looking for. however, i dont think there is a 'grasp' that you can get with unix, you either do it or you dont. i didnt realise you had to do programming and stuff with it either, so its of my list of things to do
i'll stick with NT and win2k. much easier

Snaga · 19-06-2001 1:52pm

Originally posted by sutty:
Hay Eamo

If you find out anything of intrest could you mail me?

I've been asked by my new boss to learn how to use it

Thanks

Sutty, just get him to give you an old machine, p1/p2 whatever and install something on it. Linux or freebsd are good choices and fiddle with it.

Ive learned so much more from fiddling and breaking things(which happens very often) than from books

If you need cd's for either you can give me some blanks and ill sort ya out. Im not that far away from you (unless youve moved from leixlip

[This message has been edited by Snaga (edited 19-06-2001).]

Hobbes · 19-06-2001 2:04pm

you don't have to know programming. It helps but it isn't important. What is important is that you know how operating systems work and how hardware/software works together and networking and security.

The rest to Unix is just knowing the commands. (I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for that.

)

Get a good book, and install the OS on your machine and play with it.

sutty · 19-06-2001 5:18pm

Ta snaga

How many CD's do you need?

would you be able to meet me tomorrow?

What Linux is it btw?

Ciaran Sutcliffe
aka: sutty
[HIV]sutty
For a good time goto:
http://www.hotinternetvirgins.com

NinjaBart · 19-06-2001 7:15pm

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan:
but since you appeared and started making silly statements i felt i ought to oblige and reply back to you.

It was a simple joke regarding what Regi said about emacs. He and I have had pico/vi slagging matches before. My statement regarding the "retarded thread" was about the exchange you started with me. Just drop it.

sutty, the links given above are useful for an over view of unix which is exactly what i was looking for. however, i dont think there is a 'grasp' that you can get with unix, you either do it or you dont.

There are certain concepts which you need to "grasp" when using unix. If you don't get them at first, things will still work for you in general, but certain things may appear strange if you are not used to the semantics of stderr Vs stdout when redirecting output, or understanding exactly what the shell does when you construct a pipeline, the concept of "everything is a file" etc. Most introductory unix books will cover these though, and they're not tough once you know them.

i didnt realise you had to do programming and stuff with it either, so its of my list of things to do
i'll stick with NT and win2k. much easier

Using unix doesn't demand that you learn how to program, although unix administrators do get into the habit of writing scripts (shell, perl, python etc) to automate simple tasks, mainly because it tends to be a lot more straightforward to do so than it is on Windows.

As for windows being simpler, I think it's a lot simpler to begin with as finding how to get at configuration options etc is a lot more obvious, while unix can be arcane for the novice. Just about any unix admin who becomes used to using it will generally not want to touch windows with a barge pole, generally because of what is viewed as inflexibility, and general pain when changing configurations etc. Remote access to windows machines is a royal PITA.

Snaga · 19-06-2001 9:19pm

Originally posted by sutty:
Ta snaga

How many CD's do you need?

would you be able to meet me tomorrow?

What Linux is it btw?

Well in linux ive mandrake 8 and RedHat 7.1, both of them are 2 cd distros. Id recommend mandrake for ease of use.

And ive freebsd 4.2, 1 cd. I havent had the chance to play with it yet.

So mail me whichever ones you want and ill burn them in work tomorrow. The mail addies in my profile and we can arrange a meet too.

sutty · 20-06-2001 8:44am

I send the mail last night, along with my mobile number

Ciaran Sutcliffe
aka: sutty
[HIV]sutty
For a good time goto:
http://www.hotinternetvirgins.com

bloody unix!

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