whats the best ?

OLDYELLAR

whats the best nu metal band in yall opinion ?

Karl Hungus

Not only do you use the word "Y'all", but you fail to properly use it in that sentance.
Y'all being hick talk for "You all" when you need to be using "Your".
"In You All Opinion" simply doesn't work.

But, English lessons aside, best nu-metal band?

Korn were pretty good at the time.
But nowadays, the band "Withering Surface" seem to be the only ones trying to do anything new with the genre. You should check them out.

OLDYELLAR

can i just say
originally poster by anglewhore

Not only do you use the word "Y'all", but you fail to properly use it in that sentance.

i am open to discussion about the spelling of the word sentence ?

i will check out that band , you know of anywhere i could get some free downloads ?

Monkey

you've never heard Korn before ?

OLDYELLAR

nope never , i heard of them but me friend said they were crap , so i took his word for it ,...............so what are they like ?

cournioni

Originally posted by OLDYELLAR
so what are they like ?

They're now like all the other nu-metal bands. Does any of them sound different to you?

Karl Hungus

You like nu-metal, and yet you've never heard Korn?
They're the band that started nu-metal!!!

And here: http://www.witheringsurface.dk/
Download section has mp3's.

I reconmend the song Joyless Journey.

OLDYELLAR

thanking you , that site is excellent , its well laid out and all that but the download is taking forever , i did find another good band when i went a looking though , they are called bush , very good .

Pugsley

Korn invented nu-metal. But now'a'days 99% of bands that also do nu-metal suck
There are bound to be a few decent ones about, but it really isn't my fave genre.

deco

Originally posted by OLDYELLAR
nope never , i heard of them but me friend said they were crap , so i took his word for it ,...............so what are they like ?

My God man...well your friend was kind of right....

They're recent output has been dodgey to say the least.....

Just listen to their first album....the best Nu-Metal album by far....

And, I know I'm going to be rounded on, but Lost Prophets aren't bad as they go....

Esp. if you're a 15 yr. old skater....

OLDYELLAR

lost prophets are actually fairly good , i love that tune shinobi v`s dragon ninja !

MrJoeSoap

Spice Girls

deco

I suppose the Deftones would be the best Nu-Metal band out at the moment....

White Pony is quite an achievement as far as Nu-metal goes.....

It's the only Nu-Metal album I've come across with lyrical depth....

Shiminay

OMFG - you're talking about Nu-Metal and you don't even have the decency in you to know who Korn are?
If you weren't a fellow Knight, I'd be sending you a letter bomb!
Get their first (self-titled) album - it's cool.

Anyway, out of the current offerings, if one were to class Deftones as Nu-Metal, then they win hands down.
Lost Prophets are pants bandit pretty boys that totally sold out (their first album is good by all acounts I've heard and they never went for this pretty boy look). The problem is, that riff in Shinobi vs Dragon Ninja is damn catchy and they score kudos for naming the song after 2 of my all time favourite games

Check out Chimaria - I suppose you *might* call them nu, but they're fairly animal. Loads of Korn-like riffs and plenty of screaming. Grab their album "Pass Out Of Existence". Maybe you might like Five Pointe 0 too - not fantastic, but worth a listen anyway. Their first album is called "Untitled"

gah! I really hate that term Nu-Metal. Metal is metal and pop is pop. Lot's of supposed Nu-Metal is pop (Linkin Park, Lost Prohpets and the grand daddy's of pop-metal - Limp Bizkit).

OLDYELLAR

hey kharn i managed to get my hands on some korn over the weekend , and your right they are kicka*s ................Deftones are well class , aw man that bloody fake sound of progress by lost prophets just really bugs me .thanking you kindly , i must go about that album your talking bout , the ould birthday is coming up so fingers crossed !

Oeneus

I have a friend who likes Korn and I once told her that I didn't like them, or any Nu-Metal bands.

She was shocked over the fact that I referred to them as a Nu-Metal band.

She told me that Nu-Metal is Heavy Metal with Rapping and DJs.

So I'm now confused. Are Korn Nu or not Nu?

Pigman

Could be wrong here but I thought the fundamental characteristic of nu-metal was that you played with a tuned down five string bass and seven string guitars? As such this would definetly make Korn nu-metal.

Mossy Monk

i had a listen to Hybrid Theory today and i was well impressed by it. i'm confused because when i bought it all those months ago it fell down behind one of my speakers and i never bothered to get it back out

OLDYELLAR

hey mossy , hybrid theory is a pretty good album theres a lot of good tunes on there , a place for my head being my all time fave on there.

deco

I think Nu-Metal really refers to any of the new brand of slick metal that has come to the fore recently.

It dosen't necessarily have to have rap vocals and DJs and in its early incarnations, RATM and Korn, it didn't.

But with the growth to world domance of Limp Bizshít the whole rap rock thing has become more mainstream....

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by OLDYELLAR
hey mossy , hybrid theory is a pretty good album theres a lot of good tunes on there , a place for my head being my all time fave on there.

it's good but In The End and Pushing Me Away would be my favourites

byte

Originally posted by Mossy Monk


it's good but In The End and Pushing Me Away would be my favourites

In the End is a great track. I must get out my album now for a listen.:)

D-Generate

My god RATM invented nu-metal or as it was originally called sports-metal not that i'm in to that kind of thing.
A fair lot of bands have DJ's that aren't nu-metal, Snow Patrol, Beastie Boys, (can't think of any really rock or metal bands at moment)
But as nu-metal bands go Deftones in my opinion are teh win

OLDYELLAR

deftones are pretty good alright , yeah .

fisifan01

RATM, Papa Roach or Machine head in my view

deco

Originally posted by Mossy Monk


it's good but In The End and Pushing Me Away would be my favourites

Hsflafhlasfhlasflahflasfhlaf......

The sound of deco having a seziure....

(Talking in the 3rd person aswell...must be suffering from bi-polar disorder...)

Damn ye pseudo-metalers!:D

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by deco


Hsflafhlasfhlasflahflasfhlaf......

The sound of deco having a seziure....

(Talking in the 3rd person aswell...must be suffering from bi-polar disorder...)

Damn ye pseudo-metalers!:D

sue me

Shiminay

Folks, please listen carefully as this is important...

Linkin Park are not a metal act - they are a pop act. To call them anything but pop is a farce and an out and out lie.

That is all.

deco

Originally posted by Mossy Monk


sue me

If I wasn't on the floor writhing and foaming at the mouth from having to enduring "Int The End" I would love to....:p

metalish

KoRn are the best nu metal band, although Drowning Pool are very good. And most ofthe nu metal bands have stuff like dj's trying to rap(linkin park). There not really on the metal part.

But i dont listen to nu metal much anymore. Metallica and megadeath have been my favourites for ages. Slayer, Guns'n'roses, Led Zepplin and Alice In Chains

ThenComesDudley

Nu metal

Is from my understanding is a mix of rock with lyrics in a hip hop style. Also its droping Guitar Solos and replaceing them with breakdown riffs, as alot of ppl define metal by its Solo ie all the Great metal bands have solos in most songs were as Nu metal has some but not many.

Anyway thats my understanding of it
if im wrong well then im wrong.

Pugsley

Originally posted by Kharn
Folks, please listen carefully as this is important...

Linkin Park are not a metal act - they are a pop act. To call them anything but pop is a farce and an out and out lie.

That is all.

Id not totally agree,i think its more of a kiddies way to say 'i listen to metal,im cool'

Ruaidhri

Id not totally agree,i think its more of a kiddies way to say 'i listen to metal,im cool'

hehe hit a (one of) the (many) nails on the head there:look mom! i'm differant cause i listen to metal.

as not being a fan of nu-metal AT ALL,i'm going to try not abuse all the nu-metal bands.

nu-metal is a bastard genre formed from metal and one(or more) other genres.eg linkin park:metal + pop + rap !=good idea.
or korn:rap+metal !=good idea

you can usually pin a nu-metal band to the following also:angst ridden lyrics,non-confirmis with the "metal attitude"(you can see what i'm on about here* ) and a clean squeaky image.

ok i'll stop my rant now. and deftones are NOT nu-metal.(think maynard would do a backing vocals for one of them?)


* please dont follow this link if you are easily confused

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Ruaidhri
(you can see what i'm on about here )

You link is of the utmost bull****!

Where death metal broke music into raw rhythm and structure, black metal built upon that foundation in technique

Black Metal evolved from Trash, and really didn't have anything to do with Death. It's like saying that Grindcore takes off from Death, when in fact it's evolved from Punk! Which they do even hint at...

Whoever wrote that website is a ****wit, and is very biased.
In reguards to BM again:

musicianship is less developed than that of death metal

Bull**** of the highest order, I say.
They even say that Power Metal is a sub-division of Trash!


And the site has nothing on nu-metal at all, which is pretty much what this thread is about, so I'm not going to go way off topic picking out the idiotic flaws of that site.

Ruaidhri

ok 1)you missed the subtlety of the point(nu-metal wan not listed there,egro not a form of (real)metal )

and i think that site is pretty much on the mark.

Where death metal broke music into raw rhythm and structure, black metal built upon that foundation in technique

you just have to get used to the writing style. black is quite complex,BUT death will always be extremly complex and technical

Black metal more than being structuralist is existentialist

i'd have to pretty much agree on what the guys says in this site,but then again i'm into death more than black.(and it is someone elses opinion

in my opinion nu-metal is a sub genre of pop(and/or rap) not a form of metal.

Drunk pirate

I know what you mean on the "look mommy i'm cool " aspect.....been there done that tryed to skate hung out side schools bought **** on a sliver disc you know. I'm different now like I used to like all limp bizkit linkin park slipknot and all that sh!te but the table turned....It's now korn deftones metallica led zepplin biohazard pantera (don't mind papa raoch) and i dont wear all that black sh!t with chains and hang out in temple bar. I left all my "goth" friends to be origional and normal (walking around in my local neighbour hood kilbarrack with goth sh!t on is not a good idia!).

I play guitar and mostly aim on blues and metal. And for some reason like andrew w.k. anywho what i'm ****ing about is that all that mainstream sh!t gets you know where in life not allone music. when I left the "goths" A whole new renge of music opened and I didn't have to listen to people say "thats so gay" etc. Try i'magine walking to YOUR friends saying you like andrew w.k.! Anyone have the same expiriance? I got my tickets to korn and I can't wait! anyone else goiing? I can't belive he never heard of KoRn! Did he not see all the kids with the hoodies?

Karl Hungus

Well, I won't argue with your Ruaidhri, I don't want to drag this off topic.


And I'm severely tempted to delete that post of yours, Pirate.
But seriously... Nothing of what you're talking about is "Goth" in the context you put it. And I really hate to hear nu-metal reffered to as so... Here I go again! Seeing how Goth music evolved in the late 70's, early 80's from post punk bands like Joy Division, Siousxie and The Banshees and the likes. Then along came bands like Bauhaus, Fields Of The Nephilim, Sisters Of Mercy, Alien Sex Fiend, The Cure, The Mission, Killing Joke, Nick Cave, Depeche Mode, and so on and so on... All and any of these bands having absolutely nothing whatsoever with nu-metal at all!

In fact, it has almost nothing to do with any Metal at all!
It could be argued that Fields Of The Nephilim influenced Anathema, but how this could possibly trace in any way to Nu-Metal is an absurred notion.

But I think the main problem is that people have some very stupid ideas that all the different music genre's are usually just another word for the same thing. Goth? Why, just another name for Metal, innit?

I remember not so long ago I was in Dublin me and some m8's were in Smacs for some food, and some guy, wanting to be friendly and all asked a friend of mine; "So, yer into Marylin Manson and all that, yeah?"
A frank "No" really confused the guy, and my mate explained to him for about five minutes about goth music, and how he doesn't hang around the music centre on the weekends, and how the kids that hang out there aren't goth, and they don't listen to goth, and so on... When that was over a friend of the guy came up with their food, and plonked down, and was told about how my friend had explained all about the goth music to him. The guy turned around and asked my mate "Oh yeah, Marylin Manson and all that, yeah?"

Now I realise this has gone off topic and all, but I just had to be said.
Nu-metal isn't goth, and I doubt Fred Dusrt has any idea who the hell Carl McCoy is.

It's just silly to think that some kid with baggy pants scooting about Temple Bar on a skateboard wearing a Linkin Park hoodie has anything to do with goth whatsoever.

Just check out some of the bands I've mentioned. Or if you're really feeling adventurous, there's a great club called Dominion that's on Saturday nights in the cellar bar of Frazer's, O Connell Street. I seriously reconmend it.

deco

This always drives me kinda crazy when people get into semantic debates over what "nu-metal" is.....

In my opinion Nu-metal is any of the new commerically viable act that are ploughing their furrow at the moment...

They don't have to have DJ's or rapping, genearlly just beefed up guitars....

Trying to pin it down any further than that is like trying tto have an arguement with smoke....

Karl Hungus

Ah, but you miss the point.

Argueing over something that has a logical and simply conclusion is never any fun.
So debate away, and have a toot!

This is a thread about nu-metal, so why not present your own ideas on it?

deco

Touché Cecil,

Touché.....

Anyway to get this back on track....

DEATHO TO FAUX METAL!:D (I apologise for the cap locks;) )

Silverfish

Uhhhh.....yeah, what he said.


Anyway. Mad Capsule Markets are quite interesting, moreso than Linkin Park, and definitely deserve more space here than the latter.

But nu-metal?? Sheesh. It's either metal or its not.
(Ahhh, the good old days of Gorfest and Suffocation and Cannibal Corpse and Old School Sepultura and Carcass and Obituary and Napalm Death and ........)
And what's on the plate for the kids of today?
Linkin Park and Papa Roach? No wonder they hang around the central bank and drink themselves stupider. I would too.

And another thing:

Nu- metal (shudder) = baggy

Old metal: nice leather trousers.


As a female, those were the good old days when you could see what was on offer.


I'm Kent Brockman and thats my two cents.

superconor

i wouldnt classify ratm as nu-metal. i love korn and papa roach but they are sorta different. i mean, i would like limp biz**** if the brought back wes an fired that knobcheese fred durst. linkin park are ok.

(o yeh dont think im a nu metal skater dude. i bmx, and listen to cream, jimi hendrix gnr, thin lizzy, maiden, and rory gallagher. ok peeps!)

o yeh, i ate too much spicy peanuts and jeez my fartin is nothin ordinary!!!!

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Silverfish
And another thing:

Nu- metal (shudder) = baggy

Old metal: nice leather trousers.

That's something that really bothers me.
Not you or your post, but a point you touch on.

A lot of people think that there's only old metal and nu-metal.
And that there's nothing else. Which is rather wrong, I think.

I mean, personally there's rarely anything I listen to Metal wise that isn't from the last 10 years or so. Old school death metal? Not my bag, baby. I never listened to any Sepultura, Megadeth, Testament, or even Slayer! Only 80's metal bands I can say I listen to is Maiden, and a little bit of Priest. Bands that really got me into metal were the early nineties english bands like My Dying Bride, Cradle Of Filth, Anathema, Paradise Lost, and all those. Great thing about them is that they're all still around and they're still touring. Although CoF have gone to the dogs in the last couple of years, and I might as well lump them into the nu-metal scrapheap.

But a lot of kids assume that it's either old or new (Nu) and that there's nothing else. A lot of times you might notice kids saying "Oh, you only hate it 'cos it's new! Go back and listen to Van Halen!"
Anyone else notice this? Not that I'm saying Van Halen isn't good, just, mind you, just using him as an example.

That's just a little pet-hate of mine.

Silverfish

I was not stating there was only two types of metal, I just titled two in order to compare the clothes worn say, in 1987 and today.

If I compare a Lamborghini to a Ferrari, I am not stating there are only two types of car in the world.
An earlier point I made was 'It's either metal or its not'

I think breaking up the type of music people listen to into 'old' and 'nu' is a form of elitism.

That was all.

Karl Hungus

Would you mind reading that again?
Here's the key part:

Originally posted by AngelWhore
That's something that really bothers me.
Not you or your post, but a point you touch on.

The part that says "Not YOU, or YOUR POST."

Show me any part of my post that said ANYTHING about the bands you listen to not being up to scratch. I was talking about ideas some kids have. I only said that you touched on a point, and I did not say that you said that there was only 2 types of metal. Sorry if you took it that way, but that's absolutely NOT what I was saying at all!

frood4t2

Originally posted by Kharn
Folks, please listen carefully as this is important...

Linkin Park are not a metal act - they are a pop act. To call them anything but pop is a farce and an out and out lie.

That is all.

AMEN, Kharn!

A boy band with guitars, DJ, and unimaginative lyrics, that. I've tried to tell all my Linkin Park listening friends that they are ****e, but they don't listen. Their loss... I generally don't listen to "nu-metal" anyway, though I like RATM and the new stuff Papa Roach has put out.

deco

Ah semantics.....you got to love 'em....

rubyseyes

Korn invented nu-metal.

so machine head had nothing to do with it?

Makaveli

If nu-metal was by definition rap/hip hop and metal/rock amalgamated, would this mean that Metallica are nu-metal for doing a song with Ja Rule?

Being somebody that doesn't really know anything about metal, I would call Slipknot nu-metal. This may be wrong of course, but I would class nu-metal as the "cool" music 12 year old skaters listen to. And they have fancy hoodies to let us all know which hip to the groove groups they like.

I'd nearly go out on a limb and say... nu-metal maybe just pop-metal. Something to be pondered perhaps.
Or maybe it's just 4:30am and I need sleep, and really am just rambling along.

Oh yeah, anything that MTV play would be IMO nu-metal. Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Linkin Park... all that kind of crap. SoAD would they be classed nu-metal?

Pugsley

Folks, please listen carefully as this is important...
Linkin Park are not a metal act - they are a pop act. To call them anything but pop is a farce and an out and out lie.
That is all.

They actually refuse to be called nu-metal and they classify themselves death metal (they said this in several interviews!) so what you make of that?

If nu-metal was by definition rap/hip hop and metal/rock amalgamated, would this mean that Metallica are nu-metal for doing a song with Ja Rule

Makaveli because you dont listen to metal much ill go easy
The new metallica stuff is real (REALLY) pants compared to their superb old stuff, just ignore their new stuff and you have some superb music, so id hate to classify them as nu-metal

Also, SoaD is industrial metal (not too sure bout this one tho, their a git to classify )
Slipknot arent nu-metal either, god knows what you would call em, they dont even know themselves (well corey taylor doesnt anyway)

Karl Hungus

I'll give you that SOAD are rather gittish to classify, but they are definetly NOT industrial metal! How you came to that conclusion is beyond me.

NiN, Rammstein and the like would be industrial metal.