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Ad's that fu.ck your favorite band in the ass.

  • 03-07-2002 12:55pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭


    What I'm talking about here is when a cool bands music gets used to hock some piece of sh.it product and then all the braindead morons out there in TV land have to get THAT tune! So to help them out you give them some Joy Division (or whatever) and they don't even listen to any of it except for 'looooovvvvvve, looooovvvvvve will teaahhrrr us apart , again!'. Now I know the bands themselves are probably ok with these ads but I still think it's a pisser!

    Here's some examples :
    - Vodafone and Lifestyle sports for Dandy Warhols and New Order.
    - Heiniken for Joy Division and Buzzocks and possibly even Jesus and Mary Chain
    - BBC radio and the White Stripes

    The worst one tho (and it doesn't even apply) is the AIB 'choices' ad where this floppy haired guy is in the savoy cinema and his date doesn't turn up (can't blame her). Anyway ever since that ad came out I've had about 5 people on seperate occasions ask me 'Uh, Is that the Smashing Pumpkins playing in the background?' I have to answer NO THAT IS JUST SOME **** SESSION BAND WHO OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT NO ONE WOULD NOTICE IF THEY DID A COMPLETE RIP OFF OF 1979 AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PROVING THEM RIGHT YET AGAIN!

    <RANT OVER>

    Anyway, the point of this post is ... can you think of more ad's to add to the list where your fav bands are being brought to a whole new group of people who clearly don't deserve to hear them? And before you think I'm crazy let's not forget that it was Heikeken who unleased Ash onto the TV! The Rev's will probably get a deal with Radion next! Arrrrgh!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    ahhhhhhh the Revs - noooooooooo

    Agree with all the above, was trying to think of more examples but couldn`t. Yeah Dandy Warhols are now a poppy band due to the Lifestyle and VodaFoney Ads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    aww diddums, are we upset that were not cool because we are a minority who listen to 'cool' music?

    Rmember that every band in question gave permission for use of the songs.

    Also, i think youll find that the band who did the AIB music are an irish band called The Walls. They used to be in The Stunning. There, a little fact you can use when your being all music nazi again.......

    (BTW, I dont think it sounds much like 1979. I do however think its a complete rip-off of You and Me Song by The Wannadies)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    I think that the detol/toilet duck ad uses a song by the White Stripes- but is more of a session instrumental bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    Originally posted by bazH
    Yeah Dandy Warhols are now a poppy band due to the Lifestyle and VodaFoney Ads.

    How has the fact that they have been used in two commercials affected the quality or genre of thier music?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 622 ✭✭✭darthmise


    Damn, was just about to write that post Dustaz!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭zAbbo


    Well before the ads, Dadny warhols were favoured by a select few making them
    cool
    . Now every feck wit is listening to them , well that sorta devalues there status. Not by the fact that they have a bigger audience but by the fact that 12yr olds were listening to them etc. I don`t think this would have happened say if they used the last junkie on Earth, Hard on for Jesus or Grunge Betty tunes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Ph3n0m


    Originally posted by Pigman
    The worst one tho (and it doesn't even apply) is the AIB 'choices' ad where this floppy haired guy is in the savoy cinema and his date doesn't turn up (can't blame her). Anyway ever since that ad came out I've had about 5 people on seperate occasions ask me 'Uh, Is that the Smashing Pumpkins playing in the background?' I have to answer NO THAT IS JUST SOME **** SESSION BAND WHO OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT NO ONE WOULD NOTICE IF THEY DID A COMPLETE RIP OFF OF 1979 AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PROVING THEM RIGHT YET AGAIN!

    and the fact that the band in question is The Walls has nothing to do with it ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭Jimi-Spandex


    I've been hearing a lot of DJ Shadow being used for tv ads lately, also the Hives, tis a travesty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭stevoslice


    Like the way Lenny Kravitz lent his song to the Peugot 206 ads, next thing is he's got himself some Greatest Hits album!!!

    I thought he was a better producer than musician myself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Pigman


    Originally posted by Dustaz
    aww diddums, are we upset that were not cool because we are a minority who listen to 'cool' music?
    Eh, no.

    Despite your pathetic attempt to patronise I have to dissapoint you by saying that I don't actually give a sh1t about being 'cool' (or whatever that word even means anymore). But what I do care about is the hoards of people sprouting up and saying how much they LOVE band x,y, and z even tho they'd probably struggle to name 3 songs by any of them.

    Fair play to Vodafone and co for their succesful ad campains but it's a pity they've left behind a legacy of young girls singing 'bohemian like you' and misinformed 12 year old boys wondering when Joy Division will release another LP! :(

    Admittedly, some people always have a problem with bands breaking to 'the next stage' (which is the group you think I am one of) and the fact that each development leads to new fans. I'm actually ok with any stage of evolution as long as the people that come on board at each stage become devoted like who were already there or just admit that they are along for the ride instead of pretending that you love a band that you clearly know nothing about.



    Rmember that every band in question gave permission for use of the songs.
    Yeah, I already said that


    Also, i think youll find that the band who did the AIB music are an irish band called The Walls. They used to be in The Stunning.
    Well if it was the Walls then I was doing them too much of a compliment by calling them a session band.

    There, a little fact you can use when your being all music nazi again.......
    Music Nazi? Please! You don't even know what the term means! It's refers to someone who decides what music deserves merit and what does not. I'm talking about the people who listen to it, not the music itself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,571 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Off on a slight tangent here, but has anyone ever rang Vodafone customer support? They have someone playing "Bohemian Like You" on the hold music (and its not the Dandy Warhols). I wonder if its a broadcasting issue or something. The guy singing it sounds different to The DW's singer......

    - Dave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,571 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    Oh, and Pigman, whats wrong with good music in ads? Whenever I hear "Bohemian Like You", I think of Vodafone. Thats the desired effect Vodafone were after. Plus its a great tune.

    Same with "To The Bright and Shining Sun" in the AIB Ads.

    However.......... the most memorable thing about the 2 lifestyle ads is the cute blonde!! :D

    - Dave.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭The Gopher


    Just because a lesser known band gets commercial appeal it dont mean that they are a pop band for christ sake!Some people seem to think that a band is cool when its only a couple of hundred loyal followers buying their album.But once they make a great track with commercial appeal they go pop apparently.Just look at Nickleback.A while back somebody posted about how you remind me with something like"Its a great song but the band is manufactured".Hello???!!?Manufactured?If that user was one of 5 people in Ireland who owned their album they would be a great band nobody listens to.But when they get a number 1 hit they become pop?Cut the crap!
    Anyway dandy warhols are ****e.Theyve a good sound but just listen to the lyrics of bohemian like you-theyre awful!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    what happens to me is when a company takes a song and uses it in a huge marketing campaign (ie. Vodafone), i end up having to not listen to the song for weeks because i get fed up of them. if a band gains commercial success from advertising then i say fair ****s to them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Kopf


    Originally posted by Pigman

    NO THAT IS JUST SOME **** SESSION BAND WHO OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT NO ONE WOULD NOTICE IF THEY DID A COMPLETE RIP OFF OF 1979 AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PROVING THEM RIGHT YET AGAIN!

    the smashing pumpkins are my favourite band, i'm fanatical about them, and I can't understand how you could mistake that walls song with 1979.... They sound totally different... the guitar melody on 1979 ascends before descending, the walls song descends from the start, if i remember correctly. Also i absolutely love the walls song used in the aib ads, i really wish it was on cd or something.

    As for the subject title of your post, "Ad's that fu.ck your favorite band in the ass", the bands must consent to their music being played in the ad, so I don't know what the fvck you're talking about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    As far as i can tell pigman thinks you need to have all known recordings of a band you like, been to see them 20 times, be a life long member of thier fan club and posses a genuine stool sample of the drummer that once played session on a tribute bands b-side before you can be a TRUE FAN!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Pigman


    Originally posted by Dustaz
    As far as i can tell pigman thinks you need to have all known recordings of a band you like, been to see them 20 times, be a life long member of thier fan club and posses a genuine stool sample of the drummer that once played session on a tribute bands b-side before you can be a TRUE FAN!!

    As expected you don't reply to any comment I've made regarding to your previous post and as expected try to pass off your criticism with some glib half-assed comment. If you were any more predictable I'd call you Brazil winning the 2002 world cup.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Pigman


    Originally posted by Kopf


    the smashing pumpkins are my favourite band, i'm fanatical about them, and I can't understand how you could mistake that walls song with 1979.... They sound totally different... the guitar melody on 1979 ascends before descending, the walls song descends from the start, if i remember correctly. Also i absolutely love the walls song used in the aib ads, i really wish it was on cd or something.


    As I pointed out it wasn't I who mistook the walls for the pumpkins. It was 5 other individuals that I know. From listening to that exerpt on the ad I see that it resembles a distinct cooraltion to 1979 (at least I thought so). I'd like to point out that I'm also a pumpkins devotee (and because I didn't notice that similarities until it was highlighted to me) so for 5 individuals to remark that the tune was pumpkins-esque can lead me to believe that the AIB ad came from something that was mainstream-pumpkins and 1979 fits that bill.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭Jimi-Spandex


    I'd like to make a point in favour of bands letting companies use their music in ads, take for example the album Play by Moby.

    He couldn't get it promoted through the normal channels, i.e., radio or tv, so he agreed to licence the music to companies for ads, in total I think 8 or 9 tracks were used. As a direct result of this(and the fact that the album was superb) his music got exposure and the album sold millions worldwide. Who can be angry with a good band/artist who is a little underground using this method of promoting their music when little else is available to them? If i doesn't help them break through then at least its some income

    True it is annoying when you get people claiming to be dandy warhol fans just cos they've seen the ad a million times but thats the price of breaking through


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 622 ✭✭✭darthmise


    Originally posted by Jimi-Spandex
    I'd like to make a point in favour of bands letting companies use their music in ads, take for example the album Play by Moby.

    He couldn't get it promoted through the normal channels, i.e., radio or tv, so he agreed to licence the music to companies for ads, in total I think 8 or 9 tracks were used.


    Moby takes the piss though. He sold the rights to his music over 900 times world-wide!!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    Want me to address your point? It all boils down to this one:
    Originally posted by Pigman

    I'm actually ok with any stage of evolution as long as the people that come on board at each stage become devoted like who were already there or just admit that they are along for the ride instead of pretending that you love a band that you clearly know nothing about.
    Why? What the hell is wrong with someone hearing a song on the TV, buying a single and deciding they quite like the band.
    I dont know much about the warhols apart from the 3 singles ive heard (junkie, bohemian, get off) and i quite like them. Im sorry if im not a TRUE DEVOTED FAN, im not along for any particular ride, i just like the music. Like a lot of other people out there. You need to get it thru your head that without people hearing music in this fashion, the bands you like might never get the money to go on and record more music for you to get devoted to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    I don't like that AIB song, they clearly ripped it off one of my songs, which I have been happening to play in Dublin a lot in the past year. I do think that having songs on ads can help a musician. But what I hate is when "artists" *cough* moby *cough* Uses ALL his songs on ads. And maybe they should leave the more commerical bands alone, and allow newer unsigned bands to do the music. Like The dandy warhols are complete shíte. I have never seen a worse live band in all my life.
    And if a band can't play live. They dont deserve to have a record, because then any muppet with a good producer can have a hit record.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 622 ✭✭✭darthmise


    Originally posted by Giblet
    I don't like that AIB song, they clearly ripped it off one of my songs, which I have been happening to play in Dublin a lot in the past year.


    Are you someone i should know?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Pigman


    Originally posted by Dustaz
    Want me to address your point? It all boils down to this one:


    Why? What the hell is wrong with someone hearing a song on the TV, buying a single and deciding they quite like the band.
    I dont know much about the warhols apart from the 3 singles ive heard (junkie, bohemian, get off) and i quite like them. Im sorry if im not a TRUE DEVOTED FAN, im not along for any particular ride, i just like the music. Like a lot of other people out there. You need to get it thru your head that without people hearing music in this fashion, the bands you like might never get the money to go on and record more music for you to get devoted to.


    You're wrong. Bands like the Dandys had already made numerous albums before anyone had ever heard of them or Vodafone and and had created a level of popularity that would have ensured that they could have kept making LPs with or without their current level of exposure.

    Also like I already said I don't mind someone like yourself hearing a tune and going out and buying a single by whoever because as you've stated here that's as far as it goes for you. You hear the tune, you like the tune and and you don't feel like you have to make any bigger a deal out of it than that.

    But what I am talking about is people who 'jump on the boat', hijack the band and become 'so called' devotees yet inevitably expose themselves to know next to nothing about their 'obsession' and subsequently disappear as soon as the next big thing comes along.

    If these people did really get into bands as a result of ad campaigns and other things that would be fine. But for the most part all they seem to do is all they do is project the image of devotion that cheapens the experience for other people who do really have an interest.

    The bottom line is go as far as you like, just don't pretend to be crazy about something if you're not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭El_Presidente


    Tis the way of the world I'm afraid.

    Getting your track played in an ad is a way of getting it into peoples heads and thus generate record sales.

    I'm sure if we try real hard we can find a way of blaming this on mp3 downloading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,817 ✭✭✭✭po0k


    Originally posted by bazH
    I think that the detol/toilet duck ad uses a song by the White Stripes- but is more of a session instrumental bit.

    Man, I heard "Get Off" ages ago when Uaneen was on No Disco.
    Loved the video.
    Lesbians shifting in a Barn. Classic.
    The chick with the tamborine is sweet too :)
    Leave the infantile bikering and ranting to the 15 year old slipknot and Nu Metal kiddies. They only have CS and they're musical fanaticism to guide them through pubescence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,817 ✭✭✭✭po0k


    Originally posted by Giblet
    And if a band can't play live. They dont deserve to have a record, because then any muppet with a good producer can have a hit record.

    Or a good Stylist, marketing director and agent. *cough* Louis Walshe *cough* Irish Charts *splutter* tubby arrogant peado poofta *ahem* Westlife *bawk*

    :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 622 ✭✭✭darthmise


    Originally posted by Pigman


    If these people did really get into bands as a result of ad campaigns and other things that would be fine. But for the most part all they seem to do is all they do is project the image of devotion that cheapens the experience for other people who do really have an interest.

    The bottom line is go as far as you like, just don't pretend to be crazy about something if you're not.


    What i dislike are musical elitists, who would nearly stop listening to a band if they got too big , popular or well known.


    So pigman who are mad at exactly, people who listen to the dandy warhols who haven't done so before they sold there music to an ad company
    Or is the the ad company for poaching a band you like.
    Or should it be directed at the band for "selling out"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    Originally posted by Pigman



    You're wrong. Bands like the Dandys had already made numerous albums before anyone had ever heard of them
    3 actually. They achieved a fair amount of popularity with 'Last Junkie on Earth' which i think was there second album. So they werent exactly going to live on thier back catalogue for the rest of thier lives.

    But what I am talking about is people who 'jump on the boat', hijack the band and become 'so called' devotees yet inevitably expose themselves to know next to nothing about their 'obsession' and subsequently disappear as soon as the next big thing comes along.
    Oh come on, Nothing new in this at all. Its the same as a band having a breakthrough single, A song in a movie or anything along those lines. Grow up, this is THE AIM OF BANDS. To become popular. Please fck off if you think the aim of any band is to make music. Anyone can do this. The aim of any band is to make music that hopefully people will enjoy. The more the better. Why do you care if a few ppl decide they love the warhols off the back of 2 singles? Maybe they bought the album, or a t shirt or two. Its all money in the bank and publicity for the band which in turn allows them to go on to greater heights (if theyre any good that is. Personally i dont think they are. I hope they enjoy thier time in the sun.)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 927 ✭✭✭Monkey


    "Please fck off if you think the aim of any band is to make music"

    hmmm an enlightening comment, piss off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    sorry, i should have put in the word solely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    You know, this is possibly the funniest thread I've read in quite a while.
    I think this has to be put in perspective.

    Please, have a look through this thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51164
    And take notice of comments by Dustaz.

    This one is a prize:
    Originally posted by Dustaz
    blink182 are about as close to punk as kylie and you know it.


    What's this? Is Dusty perhaps angry about bands like Blink 182 and Sum 41 proclaiming themselves as punk? When clearly, they're not!

    Got to love a man who can chop and change an opinion at whim.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Pigman


    Originally posted by darthmise



    What i dislike are musical elitists, who would nearly stop listening to a band if they got too big , popular or well known.


    So pigman who are mad at exactly,

    people who listen to the dandy warhols who haven't done so before they sold there music to an ad company
    No. Everyone's gotta find out about a band from somewhere.
    Or is the the ad company for poaching a band you like.
    No. Every band who ever made it has ended up being the property of someone at some stage or another.
    Or should it be directed at the band for "selling out"?
    No. They've got to pay the bills and for all we know they might not have much say in where their music ends up.



    To answer your question I am angry at ad campaigns in as much as they (inavoidably) shoot out 15 seconds of a song which people whom I could only describe as zealots anchor onto and make their obsession because they 'need music in their lives'. This is the only place (or one of few place) they are willing to be exposed to it.

    By their very nature, these people whom I speak about never develop any real interest in the band yet will proclaim their 'love' and 'interest' to you me and the postman. This is fine to have a periperhal interest in something as long as you don't come to me and start telling me you love something that I hold important also yet when I engage one of these zealous individuals in conversation about the group that they profess to love you'll soon realise that there is nothing there below the exuberant surface.

    These are the kind of people who have more movie soundtracks in their CD collection then actual LPs. These are the kind of people who'll never have more than one LP by any act because their interest in a band won't even last long enough til the next album is released. I'll admit that that might be an overly general definition of the people I am talking about but I'm sure you know who I'm talking about and you might even recognise some of them in the people you know, which is not to say they are bad people! Just their attitudes to music.

    In essence I'm guessing this rant is more against the people eat up music like Big Macs rather than the ad campaigns which feed them. But I'm just saying here that it is things like ad campaigns that inform these individuals more than anything else out there, which is sad imho.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Pigman


    I was able to take one general glimmer of hope from your previous post...
    Originally posted by Dustaz

    Why do you care if a few ppl decide they love the warhols off the back of 2 singles? Maybe they bought the album, or a t shirt or two.

    ...MAYBE being the operative word because I find that people who are exposed to music in this way do in fact NOT go out and buy the album and/or a Tshirt or two. In fact from my own experince they will MAYBE end up cogging it off someone they know, listen to it once and then spend the rest of thier energies proclaiming to all and sundry their undying love for said music.

    Once again, I want to make it clear that I don't care if you never by a single by band x or if you buy one single, never listen to it and end up using it as a coaster for your beverage. As the slogan goes, its your money its your choice. What I am saying is if you are an individual that approaches your appreciation of music this way and then at the same time trys to convince all around you (including yourself) that you are the worlds greatest fan then you should stop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Pigman


    Originally posted by AngelWhore

    Got to love a man who can chop and change an opinion at whim.


    I hadn't seen that thread but yeah I had already formed that opinion of the guy. Also where you put the 'love' I would have put 'laugh at in a disparaging way'.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    Originally posted by AngelWhore
    Got to love a man who can chop and change an opinion at whim.

    Point please gothboy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    Originally posted by Pigman
    Blah Blah.

    Look, Your point is self-evident. Of course theres going to be people who say they love a particular band and only ever buy one album. These people form a sizable portion of the music buying public. They number a hell of a lot more than 'your type' (probably includes me). This is nothing new, and TV ads dont make the situation too much worse. Isnt it much better that more people are exposed to the band so that they have the chance to go on and become proper fans?
    I hadn't seen that thread but yeah I had already formed that opinion of the guy. Also where you put the 'love' I would have put 'laugh at in a disparaging way'

    If you want, i could concentrate on your own ignorance and laugh at you for that? Dont know who the walls are? Pfft. Think that song sounds like 1979? duh. Refuse to accept the realities of life and the music industry? Hehe, good boy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 622 ✭✭✭darthmise


    Pigman you are a Musical Elitist.

    There is nothing worse than talking to someone who thinks they are more of a music afficeniado than every one else.
    People who have the attitude "i've been a fan since day 1, you just like them since they made it big, therefore i'm a bigger fan tan you"


    Angel Whore, whether Blink 182 or Sum 41 are pseudo punk or not is way off point here. Where were you going with that one?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭atonal


    I think it is cool when good music is used in advertising, this helps expose people to more obscure music that maybe they wouldn't have heard otherwise... better than having every commercial with Britney Spears of stupid jingles anyway. As long as the product or use of the song is not totally contradictory to the songs original meaning.

    Moby for one I think was pretty slick with Play using adverts to push his tunes, he realized they were not radio-friendly but they were perfect for commercials. Why is self-promotion and profit-making seen as such an evil by so many people, most artists I belive would like to reach the largest potental audience and be compensated as much as possible for their work. If a good tune is used in a commercial it is still a good tune.

    I would love to see any of the independant artists I like become more popular through a commercial and make some money off it than toil in obscurity forever. With so little acess to new and different music in the mainstream media I think advertising is an increasingly viable format for new and different music to be heard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,817 ✭✭✭✭po0k


    just in refernce to the apt use of music....
    Anyone see Higher learning? The one about the neo nazis? Rage Against the machine was used there, the skinny nazi lad was listening to it in his room.
    Yet RATM are just about the most anti-nazi, anti-facist band I know of.
    The tune was playing when he pulled the gun on the two other lads too.
    Good use musicly (lovely build up and then the climax :) ), but not the best setting - the nazi having the weapon and the power etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Seriously dustaz, If you think that a band forms only to become popular, you are just being ignorant. Do you think I formed my band to become popular, I dont think so mate. I formed a band because I wanted to make music, and to do that I need a drummer, singer and bassist. And if you think anyone can make up a song, you are mistaken, as boards band proved, many people have trouble using their instruments. Theres a difference between making up a song, and playing random chords and coming up with sub-standard lyrics eg: Nickleback. All these bands are doing is getting their daddys to give them money for a demo/ep and then mtv start playing their overly produced pieces of rubbish, just because they were told to. I wouldn't class them as muscians, I think actors is more appropiate in most cases. Fame would just be a consequence of my music. Not the reason for it. (In my case anyway)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Dustaz


    I retract my comment. Reading back, it didnt come out exactly right and i look like an arse.

    However, Nickleback and thier mates have more money and fame than you Giblet, so i think they would argue with you on some of your points there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    There still shít though, and my point was that they got the money first, then the record deal, which they messed up by the way and had to get more money from daddy to "convince" the record execs to let them try again. Do you think that they got so much airplay from a good song, or from the "brilliant" albums they released, no its because they had the money, they had the contacts, and they didn't have to do anything. MTV and all the radio stations gave them unbelievable amounts of coverage. They are sub par musicians, chad is a run of the mill singer, and dont tell me you haven't seen a singer in a pub band that sounded better than him and their songs are atrociusly bad.
    These people have no talent, and were bought into where they were, these people didn't have to work too hard to gain success, and i dont think I could bring myself to class them as a band.
    Sams thing happened to Kula Shaker, and they died on their asses when they were found out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 248 ✭✭atonal


    Originally posted by Giblet
    There still shít though, and my point was that they got the money first, then the record deal, which they messed up by the way and had to get more money from daddy to "convince" the record execs to let them try again.

    dont tell me you haven't seen a singer in a pub band that sounded better than him .

    I dont feel like knocking Nickleback (i have no opinion on them other than they bore me) in particular but both of these statements are kind of universal issues... I did not realized that Nickleback were a "daddy's money" band like The Strokes.

    also I have seen many a damn fine musician in pubs who are far more talented most mainstream bands or musicians.. that is the truth indeed

    and yes I belive most people who work their asses off creating and performing music are in it for the love cretainly not for the money and really there are cheaper and easier ways to get popular.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,601 ✭✭✭Kali


    Originally posted by atonal
    I think it is cool when good music is used in advertising, this helps expose people to more obscure music that maybe they wouldn't have heard otherwise... better than having every commercial with Britney Spears of stupid jingles anyway.

    exactly, think what using stem in a guinness ad done for dj shadow.. (a re-release was even issued shortly after the ad went on air), got everyone back talking about the guy and copies of endtroducing started moving a little more.

    what i don't particularly like myself is pos bands/groups trying to jumpstart music careers off the success from one small snippet of ad music (typically 20~40 seconds long).. see multiple levis ads for example.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭Clintons Cat


    Originally posted by SyxPak
    just in refernce to the apt use of music....
    Anyone see Higher learning? The one about the neo nazis? Rage Against the machine was used there, the skinny nazi lad was listening to it in his room.
    Yet RATM are just about the most anti-nazi, anti-facist band I know of.
    The tune was playing when he pulled the gun on the two other lads too.
    Good use musicly (lovely build up and then the climax :) ), but not the best setting - the nazi having the weapon and the power etc.

    its not uncommon for anti nazi groups or musicians to provide the soundtracks to films with a neo nazi content.a similar thing happened with the soundtrack to romper stomper.it prevents neo nazi groups from profiting from royalties and albumn sales/increased profiles.
    ]Originally posted by kali
    what i don't particularly like myself is pos bands/groups trying to jumpstart music careers off the success from one small snippet of ad music (typically 20~40 seconds long).. see multiple levis ads for example.

    babylon zoo...shudder actually i am old enough and sad enough to remember when levi's and guiness briefly raised the consiousness of a generation of thatchers kids to the delights of classic motown and blues...Muddy waters,Ben e king,sam cooke,marvin gay,jackie wilson,nina simone and louis armstrong...those were the days <nostalgic sigh>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭The Gopher


    Giblet-Do I get the feeling your one of these tits who think a decent band is crap as soon as they have a hit?If Nickleback reached an all time chart high of 173 they would be a great band that nobody likes.But if they get to numvber 1 they suddenly become pop.Grow up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Gopher don't be stupid, I know what im on about, and what I have said is true. And it's not a great song in any sense of the word. The album is also a rip off, it was about 22 euro, and it barely breaks half an hour Have you ever heard the first album either. It was rubbish, it got panned in America, for being rubbish naturally, and they didn't release it here. But after they got "success" with How you remind me, They decided to release it here. And it still got slated. Decent bands are Led zeppelin, Guns n Roses, Pearl Jam, Radiohead. Not Nickleback. I have a feeling your one of these tits that latches onto any song that isn't pop, and declares it the worlds finest in song writing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Pigman


    Originally posted by Dustaz


    Look, Your point is ... SNORE SNORE ... proper fans?


    THIS IS MY ENTIRE POINT, which is YES they do. People who like music a lot will in general not draw their influences from ads. They instead will probably listen to radio stations or talk to their friends a lot about to find out about the kind of music they like..

    People who don't care as much will just hook onto the most accessible avenues of exposure ie MTV or a movie soundtrack or A TV AD etc. Bear in mind this is not to say the music they will hear is necessarily bad or uncool. In fact It's not even to say that it's not ok for these people to just enjoy their music to that extent without having to make it an obsession.

    But what it is to say is that out of these latter group come a subset of people who like to think of themselves as ‘die-hards’ (or whatever you want to call it) even though they’re clearly not invested the time or interest in the subject to warrant the description. Nobody can be blamed for the kind of people they are but ad’s can be blamed in part for the kind of music they listen to and this is my point.



    If you want, i could concentrate .... WAFFLE WAFFLE.... good boy.

    You can if you like. It'd be more interesting than reading your endless stream of dogma about how we 'can't beat city hall' and ‘don’t rock the boat’ etc. If we all thought you then we might as well just sit down and die in the streets because we can't change anything? I hope that cleared it up for you grandad?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Pigman


    Originally posted by darthmise
    Pigman you are a Musical Elitist.

    There is nothing worse than talking to someone who thinks they are more of a music afficeniado than every one else.
    People who have the attitude "i've been a fan since day 1, you just like them since they made it big, therefore i'm a bigger fan tan you"


    You’ve got it totally wrong.

    I am not against people who find out about a band after I did. I am not against people just because they only like one song and that is all. I am not against people just because they know less about a band then I do.

    What I am against is people who profess to love a band when they clearly don’t because it cheapens what the band means to you. It's like telling everyone you meet that you love them. You'll find that word will soon starts to have no meaning anymore.


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