Geforce 2 Ultra

[clergy]Cardinal

Where can i get a geforce 2 ultra for cheap?

bugler

http://www.boards.ie/bulletin/Forum5/HTML/000830.html

Stonemason

Im getting a geforce 2 ultra pro DDR 32 mb (oem)next week for £143.50inc vat bought in 3 sold two so one left.If theres intrest i will get a few more just got them coz i wanted one .


Stone

JustHalf

*slap*

Seriously though, confirm that price and specification and I'll probably buy one.

Stonemason

Ok the full name for these cards is geforce 2 GTS ultra pro 32mb DDR They are cards made especialy for Dell by Nvidia (no middle man)they are oem and that means they come without boxes (not sure about drivers forgot to ask )and only have 30 days warranty.Ive also may be able to get the 64mb version but they would be arround £215 and thats kind of up in the air at the moment so could be cheaper could be more the deals not settled so i cant say to much.


Stone
PS Thats irish money including vat p+p on them should be about £5

PPS If your motherboard doesnt suport 4x agp forget it Let me know if your intrested you only have until friday to catch the next delivery or it will be the week after.

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_CreeD_

Stone, Ultras and Pros are 2 different products. ULtras are the highest spec'd and Pros are in between those and the normal cards.
That said even a Pro at that price is still a good deal, excellent cards.

Stonemason

Agreed Creed grrr i asked him twice today same answer both times unless i heard him wrong and he said geforce2 pro between GTS and Ultra ill pin him down tommoro either way with some juicy games coming out its time to boot me trusty old gf1 DDR.


Stone

JustHalf

A you sure it's a geforce 2 GTS ultra pro 32mb DDR? Perhaps it's a GeForce 2 GTS ultra pro quadro 32mb DDR? They're all the rage, you know. Or maybe it's the lower end GeForce 2 MX GTS ultra pro 32mb DDR. You never know.

chernobyl

Is it a Geforce GTS or a Geforce 2?
[forgot to add] whats the URL for your site Stonemason?[/forgot to add]

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Ashley...if only

Ashley Lyn Cafagna

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JustHalf

His site is here:
http://w.c.p-computers.20m.com/

chernobyl

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> From W.C.P Computers(DVD/CD-Rom/Floppy)

PRICE £67.39

SAMSUNG CD-ROM (56x) OEM for those of you that do not know what OEM means, it comes without a box, though it has never been used. When the big companies want to clear stock, they pass them on to a reseller like us but by law they have to remove the packaging; all the manuals/driver cd rom/cables/are all present.

PRICE £40.56

STANDARD FLOPPY drive
For all your floppy drive needs

PRICE £12.64</font>

Whats up with the funky font?

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Ashley...if only

Ashley Lyn Cafagna

Stonemason

God Knows what the funky font is thats why we have moved site i havent been on that site in ages must take it down .As for the Geforce cards they will be either Pro,s (most likely) or Ultras (possibly)The problem is it tends to be luck of the draw as they come unboxed on mass he tested a couple today both were geforce 2 Pro,s but he has had ultras too.Basicaly ive told him minimum ill take is the Pro,s so thats the score ill be checking them when they come in mid-week next week.

Stone

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Stonemason

Is it just me or has Nvidia have gone chip mad lately just been on there site for the first time in a couple of months (coz i thought you were taking the pish Dave )and their range can only be described as bewildering Anyways from what i can gather it should be the geforce2 GTS Pro,s(32mbDDR) we should be getting all i can say is ill check them when they arive and let you know for sure.

Stone
PS Justhalf you sure i thought the GEFORCE 2 GTS ULTRA PRO QUADRA MX/EX 64MB TNT VANTA 3 was more popular myself

llatsni

Hey stonemason were you closed down for selling illegal Geforces or somefin? Wheres your site gone??

_CreeD_

Hate to be pedantic but GTS is just another name for any Geforce2. Giga Texel Shader, some companies use the term, some don't.

But, Stone no offense, if you're going to advertise and sell something you're not doing yourself any favours by showing you don't really know what it is - doesn't inspire confidence.

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JustHalf

Tut tut, Creed, tut tut.

In the context of GeForce cards, the GTS denotes a specific line of cards.

Gerry

Geforce2 GTS: 200 core, 333mhz ddr
Geforce2 Pro: 200 core, 400mhz ddr
Geforce2 Ultra: 250 core, 460-500mhz ddr

There is NO "GTS pro" . Get your facts right, find out what the actual differences between the cards are. Bewildering it might be, but such is the nature of the pc industry.

chernobyl

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gerry:
Geforce2 GTS: 200 core, 333mhz ddr
Geforce2 Pro: 200 core, 400mhz ddr
Geforce2 Ultra: 250 core, 460-500mhz ddr

There is NO "GTS pro" . Get your facts right, find out what the actual differences between the cards are. Bewildering it might be, but such is the nature of the pc industry. </font>

thats what i was trying to find out, i saw a Geforce 2 GTS Ultra above, or something similar, and thought "what???"

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Ashley Lyn Cafagna

Stonemason

No Offence but **** you im sick of this **** i called my suplier to buy in some MX cards for systems ive been ive been asked to build lately and he says he has some (quote)geforce 2 GTS ultra pro,s oem available for not much more than it would cost to buy the mx cards for i says ok ill take a couple (mainly because i want one myself)and you lot give me **** guess what some of us have to deal with 100 times more info than some bloke who has weeks to track down his dream hardware and find out every scrap of info on the subject.Well guess what since we started only two people have suported us off these boards Dave and Mark and fair play to them and thanks for your customer the rest of the time we get **** about some obscure deal 1 day only from dabs or somewhere thats £50 cheaper than us well good ****ing luck to you if you ever want to see decent prices in this country try suporting the local trade rather than saving yourself a poxy tenner.As you say i jumped the gun i should have kept my gob shut until i knew for sure, but when i saw someone looking for a cheap ultra (at the time)i thought id let him know something was coming and he may save himself a few quid.So as far as im concerned losing your no existant suport means very little to me.

Stone

Dream all you will just dont waste my ****ing time

PS gerry you talk about the nature of the pc business well let me tell you something when buying for an undetermined market for an undefined quantity for an unknown number of buyers with a no predefined specification life gets a little more complicated.I dont know what your job description is at IT direct but i bet it doesnt include buying, updateing prices, repair, advising, stock control, pricing, sourcing possible supliers,adverising,and about 50 other jobs.In affect im saying here these cards would have been sold for what they are which i wont know until i get one in my hands and if you have a word with your oem people i think youll find that the only way to be sure of what oem cards youve got is to lift the heatsink and fan of said card and look at the chip face to face.

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_CreeD_

Stone, 'no offense' meant none intended. Take it as constructive criticism. I'm all for local suppliers and definitely seeing people from here do well, thats why I mentioned it (Knowing it'd probably be flamed), not arrogance - simply so you can avoid it in the future and maybe improve business.

Just Half, the Geforce2 technology is and always has been known also as GTS (in the same way the G4ce-1 was their 'gpu'). Pros and Ultras are just faster versions so that hasn't changed regardless of how some brands are labelling their cards.

Stonemason

Sorry about the rant i came in from the pub (a little pished)and just saw red i got a little carried away.The point i was trying to make(and have mention before)is i wont be sure until they actualy arrive what they will be due to the nature of the way they are purchaced i only mentioned it to stop cardinal from buying an ultra until next week because we could have some in and it maybe cheaper for him.Im not trying to sell on these boards as such but if i see someone looking for stuff we either have in or will be getting i will mention it.Anyway your right to critisise when warranted it just seems like i get alot of it .

All the best
Stone

PS They will be at least Pro`s or they will be going back(im hopeing there will be a couple of ultras in there too )

chernobyl

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Stonemason:
Anyway your right to critisise when warranted it just seems like i get alot of it .
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There called "playa haters" Stone.


As the guy in Jackass said [start playa mode]"dont hate the playa, hate the game[/start playa mode]

Stonemason

Just for those as ill informed as myself


http://www.legionhardware.com/Article/ultra-vs-pro.php

Stonemason

It would be the first thing you would see after the computer started top left of the screen should tell you regardless of what drivers you had installed in windows.As for people buying without knowing i said already ill let you know for sure next week when i have one fitted in my machine in fact ill probably run sandra and bench test on it on 3d mark 2001 just for the hell of it .

Stone

JustHalf

Stone, that's not the only way. You can (1) uninstall your own GFX drivers, then (2) put in one of the cards. Next (3) install the nVidia drivers. The type of card will be visible.

Also, you can't expect someone to buy something if they don't know what it is.

JustHalf

*smacks self* D'oh! Forgot about the graphics card BIOS! However, my method also works, just more of a pain in the ass.

Anyway Stone, no-one asked you for benchmarks, just a clear specification.

Stonemason

I know dave but im gonna do it anyway so i might as well post them too

Stone

JustHalf

Just remember:
* Give a full, *detailed* and *accurate* specification of the machine. Include Proc speed, motherboard, RAM used, and HDD specs. OS + list of any service packs/hotfixes.
* Do a comparative benchmark. Test on the same machine with a GeForce 2 GTS or something and then show the change between that and the new one. USE THE EXACT SAME MACHINE! (giving allowances for the delta in spec for the GFX card only)
* Run each benchmark 5 times, and give "Average", "Best" and "Worst"

Gerry

Stone, I'm not working in itdirect at the moment, but I have built and upgraded pc's myself for many years. I have had to do all the things you mentioned. You can't account for the market, but you can at least find out what you are getting from your suppliers. I have had to deal with suppliers who had vague, crap descriptions as well. So what did I do, I phoned them, emailed them, and drove around to them, and inspected the goods myself. Theres no point complaining about your suppliers here.

I also knew *exactly* what I wanted to buy before I bought it. You didn't seem to realise anything was amiss with the description until it was pointed out to you. This implies either that you didn't mind that you were selling something without a definite description, or that you didn't know enough about what you were selling. At least you have realised your mistake now.

Stonemason

Tis true Gerry ill be the first to admit that in the case of these cards it was a major **** up.The conversation(to my suplier) went alittle like i need bla bla parts (big list of known parts)When i got to the geforce MX cards supliers (who is a m8 too)says oooo got some nice oem,s for you not a hole lot more expencive than the mx cards What are they says me geforce 2 gts Ultra pro,s says he and as i havent really kept up with the changing face of geforce cards (sept gf3)I knew no better (kicks self)Anyway a long story short it was my fault for not knowing and pulling him up on it so its a fair cop i surender Ive now been told their shipping as i type and they will be Pros but as i say im saying nuffink till ive got one in my paws.Dave you taking the micky again i will give as much info as i can gleem from a bench test on my own machine which i will specifie at the time of posting ill probably do a standard setting test then overclock the card to see what gains can be had.


Stone
PS Gerry glad to hear your not with IT anymore(the less competant employees they have the better for us) to tell the truth if we were abit bigger id be headhunting you myself

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Stonemason

Ok they arrived today in fact im useing one right now .They show up in windows as Geforce2 GTS/Geforce 2 Pro they are 32mb DDR I tried 3dmark 2000 ver 1.1 and these were the results. For default settings of (core)200 (clock)333 the score was 6951 and overclocked it was (core)230 (clock)363 the score was 7275 this isnt the max settings though.Machine was an AMD T/bird 1ghz o/c to 1.2 256mb pc 133 ram all on a kt7 raid motherboard.I only ran the test once ill be testing them again and i was using detonator 3 version 11.01(which im not sure about)If anyone knows a better version let me know will ya please.


Stone

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Gerry

geforce2 gts

yankinlk

I feel for ya Stone I really do.
I also began my career trying to flog stuff to these punters here at this site. No point, you'd go broke trying wouldn't ya? For many of the reasons you ranted about and more.

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> subject at hand: I recon Gerry is right about those cards. And I'm betting one more thing Stone, when you "boot up" there is no logo at all on the screen to tell you what make the card is....am I right?

I got a few of those cards myself from the states a month ago and the distributor I got them from clearly advertised them as Geforce 2 GTS. Sounds like your supplier just confused you (on purpose or by their own stupidity)

Anyways, I ugraded my machine to that card and am delighted to be using it...I get 250fps in CS...Max everything out in T2 (when i played it) and all other games im able to run at highest spec as well.

Bonus: You can still use that geforce fps tweak proggy with these cards to boost the fps. For the money, i recon they are worth it. am i wrong? if so post a better price from www.someukcompanyyou'dratherspenmoneywith.com


NOW. Is anyone gonna by yer man's cards?

Gerry

Its still a very good price, considering the trade price on a geforce2 pro is a good bit higher than that.

Stonemason

Hi yanklink

Yea your right about the no bios ID.Im even more suspcious since i cant get the heatsink off to look at the chip (tis glued solid)in windows it comes up with geforce2GTS/Geforce 2 pro(also in sandra pro) surely a contratdicion?.Is there anyway to tell for sure as i want to be 100% before i go chewing my supliers face off.As you say i installed one last night and got very little sleep playing Max Payne with all the knobbs turned up full great card but im not keen on being conned (if it aint a Pro).


Stone

yankinlk

dont know how you can tell for sure...Gerry?

but mine comes up exactly like that too in windows. Manual that comes with it says Visiontek on it if that helps.

Stonemason

Im still not convinced these are just GTS nor am i convinced that there Pro,s.Yanklink just because they have no bios reading could simply mean they were left blank for the likes of dell or whoever to imprint there logo.Anyway ill post the part number so if anyone knows where to find info about them i can lay this to rest.

part numbers (taken from sandra)

OEM FUN_O,VEN_10DE,DEV_0150,REV_4A
PRODUCT HARDWARE ID VEN_10DE,DEV_002E
REVISION/STEPPING K/5(hardware revision 164)

Stone

intresting read

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1377&p=2

_CreeD_

Gerry's right, from what you've described they're standard cards, not pro's. 2 ways to identify.
1 Pro/ultras have 64mb.
2 Clock speed. A Pro is rated at 200Mhz core, 400mhz Ram. The ones you have are 'only' 333mhz Ram.

Nvidia probably dont make the distinction between the 2 in their drivers since the core runs at the same speed in both models.

JustHalf

Nope, Pro's can have 32Mb of RAM... but they ARE GTS cards, with 333MHz RAM.

Stonemason

Just to confuse things even further does coolbits actualy know the difference between a PRO and GTS the reason i ask is because im running my card at 200mhz core and 400mhz mem and its as happy as a pig in **** add to that a score of 7400 in 3d mark2000 im still not convinced.Just a point of intrest licksys creative geforce 2 ultra on my system only pulled in a score of 7700.


Stone

Gerry

yes stone, so what you have there is an overclocked geforce2 gts. The fact that the default memory speed is 333mhz means it is a geforce2 gts, regardless of whether it has 32 or 64 megs of ram. It's still not a bad price, so I don't see what the problem is.

And for further clarification, the geforce2 gts, pro and ultra all use the *exact* same chip, simply running at different speeds, so its not surprising that some programs can't tell the difference. It's up to you to do the math.

Also, regarding the heatsink. I replaced the heatsink on my creative geforce2 gts this evening. Held the heatsink in a vice, and twisted the card. Voila, came straight off. Then I sanded the glue off the heatsink, and attached a large socket 7 heatsink, using a drop of superglue on each corner, and artic silver thermal paste to transfer the heat. Now it runs at 35c max, as opposed to 50-60c before.

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Stonemason

The reason it matters is simply princible when i buy something in i expect it to be what i was promised.As for the same chip this is what i was driving at about the coolbits slider i know the chips and even the boards can be identical as you say its a quality control issue ultras being top bannana and GTS being on the lower rung(i just wondered if factory defaults would be set to GTS regardless).Well its been bugging me so much that i took me courage in both hands and yanked the heatsink off and was annoyed to find a GTS underneith so this is what they are standard GTS`s.So mr suplier is going to get earache.On a lighter note i may well keep one and do as you have done Gerry add a bigger fan as i havent fitted the old one back yet.I also like the card (begrudgingly).


Stone
ps cheers for the debate its help me get up to speed on the nvidia scene

Gerry

The heatsink does block the first pci slot though

Stonemason

I had plenty of room but i wasnt happy with it so i took it off again .So now i have a problem whats the best thing for removing arctic silver and super glue

Stone

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_CreeD_

My history of adding heatsinks to a Geforce is not good....I did basically the same thing, Socket7 HSF, superglue and some paste.
The first card I killed by lapping too much before adding the HSF. The second time the fan fell off after a few months right onto my SBLive, shorting it out.

For the Geforce2 I just bought a blue orb, dead easy to add, takes up very little space and it hasn't tried to kill SBLive numero 2 ...yet....

Stonemason

LOL

Partly the reason i took mine off was it looked to big and in danger of falling off at some point

Stone

po0k

I have 2 spare Socket7 heatsink+fans and one heatsink lying around. have no arctic Silver though. Any substitute?

Aso Det4 12.41 are out.
www.nvidia.com

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