A few of my problems - Suicide.

Karl Hungus

Where do I start with this?
I don't really know, I don't have things in order, like RopeDrink has.
I'm not sure of any real dates of events in my life, so it's pretty hard to know where to begin.

I suppose to get a good idea of some of my problems, a good place to start would be sometime last year.
It was my friend Murray's birthday, and we all went out drinking, and to a nightclub afterwards.
It was also my friend Connor's birthday on the same day, him and Murray were pretty good friends, and he knew him a lot longer than I did.

In the following weeks after this, maybe about a month, Murray got killed.
I suppose you could say he killed himself, as him and a few friends were out playing chicken.
They were seeing who could get close enough to a train as it passed, and murray got clipped, and was killed instantly.
I was pretty upset also, because my grandmother, who I was very close with, had also died not too long before that, and I was still upset about that.
So Murray's death came a bit too sudden for me to handle.

Shortly after that, a friend who was with him at the time he died killed himself by blowing his brains out with his father's shotgun.
My friend Connor became addicted to drugs, and deeply alcoholic. He hasn't spoken to me since, and won't talk to me at all.
I see him around all the time, but he'll never even look in my direction. I'm told from other friends that he hates me, but he never says why.
So I lost a few friends at that time, which was an awful lot to handle.

Earlier this year, a friend of mine was pretty upset because a friend of her's killed herself.
Now, I didn't actualy know the girl, but it brought back memories.
All the events with Murray came right back up and really hit me hard, so I got really depressed.
I decieded to make a thread about how I was feeling, thinking that getting some of it off my chest might help.
It didn't. Almost all the replies were downright snide and sarcastic comments.
Most of that didn't really matter, it was dumb things like: "If yer feeling so down, stop listening to bands like Morbid Angel!"
Irronically, I don't actualy listen to Morbid Angel, but a lot of peeps were just poking fun, and not giving a damn.
But, there was one comment that really pissed me off. Someone said "Why don't you go and kill yourself, like a good little goth?"
That seriously upset me, but thankfully, there were two people that actualy cared, and I talked to them about it on irc later.

I felt pretty good after talking about it.
The two I was talking to were Iceman, and Dustaz.
So, if you two read this at all, thanks.

Now, you'll have to know about this before I can go any further.
When I was a kid, about 14/15, I tried to kill myself.
I got into self mutilation at the time, and I still have a few scars left.
I found that it helped to releive my flustration as a kid, and that I generaly felt better after it.
When I was really upset at one stage, and I tried to kill myself by slitting my wrists, I discovered that the pain of cutting myself seemed to be enough to calm me.
And I always covered up my scars, and never told anyone, or showed anyone.
It pisses me off now that I see kids with scratches and cuts all along their arms, and they are flaunting them like it's a fashion statement.
Not sure if anyone can relate to that or, not but I thought it might be worth mentioning.
Around the same time in my life, I got to the stage where I didn't want releif, but seriously wanted to end it all.
I took to drinking bleach, and if my parents hadn't arrived home at that time, and rushed me to the hospital to have my stomach pumped, I'd be dead.

Now, the thing is, I thought I was over all that then. That I had been through that, and was over it.
But a few days ago I spent about an hour in the toilet contemplating killing myself again. But I'm not going to mention my reasons at this time.
Thankfully I didn't do it, and probably won't think about it again for some time, if ever.

The things is, after that, I came on the internet and I felt like talking about it.
Now, instead of writing a thread about it, and be laughed at again, I decided to talk about it on irc.
I PM'd someone (Who shall remain nameless) I thought I could talk to for a while, and after a little, I was told to **** off.

Now, as of this kinda track record, it seems rather foolish me trying to talk about things again, but after my friend RopeDrink's thread, with no a hint of snide remarks or sarcasm, I kinda feel that I might give it one last shot, and see what happens.

But of course, this is barely the tip of my problems, and I don't feel like talking about my whole life's problems in one big lump as Ropedrink did.
There's MANY things a lot more severe than what I've already mentioned that I have no notion of talking about yet, and I don't know if I ever will...
I guess we'll see how this thread goes.

I would like to ask that if anyone has anything bad to say, they can keep it to themselves.
But that's not too likely, is it?

TacT

Do things that make you feel happier or help you get more from life, that's one depressing history of events you've laid out there and I don't know what else is on top of it all, try not to let it affect you too much (hard as it may be, you gotta keep on smiling).

I can't offer any words of wisdom here because the only person I've had die that was v.close to me was my grandad and we were very close and I was depressed but like anything I eventually came round and was back smilin again

Talk to the rest of your friends and particularly your councellor/family about you're problems and especially the wanting to end your life part

Don't give up on yourself man!

Remember the good times you had with your friends when they were around, and try as much as possible to let the thoughts of good times you had take over from the bad times that are swelling inside of you. This is probably the hardest thing to do but you have to let go, none of it is your fault and I don't know enough about the rest of your situation so I'll stop ranting now, take it easy and remember the good times eh!

as per rope if you need a chat my mail is in my profile, feel free to pm me, always look on the bright side of life (hard it may be to find but there is always one, remember that!)

azezil

I think you'll find that people, on this forum anyway, are generally considerate and well mannered.

I don't have time for a big supportive reply right now but i just wanted to comment on this

It pisses me off now that I see kids with scratches and cuts all along their arms, and they are flaunting them like it's a fashion statement.
Not sure if anyone can relate to that or, not but I thought it might be worth mentioning.

I know the feeling, some neighbors of mine were the same, one day when comparing their stupid scratches and eoowwing at them, then i produced my foot long scar... shut them up fairly lively

Anyway gotta go, hopefully someone else will post something of greater substance.

Karl Hungus

Thanks.

Now, let me make this clear, I've been to counselors before.
I just wanted to get this off my chest with a few people that I knew.

I don't really want to be told anything, I just wanted to get something that has been bothering me lately off my chest.

And that what I've talked about here, is all I'm willing to talk about.

Lex_Diamonds

Maybe a change of scenery would help. Seeing the same old place and people probably stirs up bad memories time and time again.

I know moving would be a big step but it might be what you need.

*straw clutching ends*

Corega

I ain't taking the piss here m8 and I would'nt want to wish all the horrible **** that happened to you upon anyone but seriously with such a substantial amount of depressing things that have happened to you I would recommend a psychologist it might or might not work but give it a shot for your own sake.

TacT

I have an Uncle who is going through depression, only through the winter months albeit every year. He has opted for 8 months in Barbados doing what he loves and I'm hoping it will do him good. I think you might need a break (as lex and others suggested a break is always a good thing)

ok obviously you can't afford an 8 month programme in barbados but think of something else, is there a girl you care a great deal for in your life atm? If there is I suggest you both make a retreat somewhere for a week

What makes you forget these things/situations that have arised in your life, if you can think of something try to focus more energy on that, it may help. Rope seems to find help in writing so it only seems logical to me that you are still searching for "something"


gl whatever you choose to do.

Mercury_Tilt

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Chaos-Engine

I never really now how to reply to a post were someone spills some of their heart(and mind) into the open.

The suggestion of getting away from teh negativity is a promising one though. I had some serious problems and contiplated ending it all over xmas but avoiding those ppl that casued the memories and pain really helped me. Friends too.

I'd be clad to nater on IRC but i don't really know what to say on the board. Hang on man

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
I can only suggest that you go see a councillor again...and show this post.

Out of interest ..would you show this post?

Show this post?
Dunno, really...

Suicide is something I've talked about with counsellors before, so I don't see any problem with it.

DeVore

Hmm... this isnt a therapy board so I think you would want to be careful about allowing yourself to become vulberable to anonymous people but:

If things are bad I think about a quote from Winston Churchill of all people:

"If you're going through hell, keep going"

DeV.

phobos

Ken,

Some people in here might say some things from time to time, that get people down (you being targetted, more than others, I have noticed). But having said that, I don't think anybody in here actually means any harm, by their comments.

I ain't taking the piss here m8...

What a rather strange thing to say there Corega, coz there is nothing wrong with seeing a psychologist (which you pointed out, so why mention it in the first place?? ). Some of you guys probably read my long post at the end of Kharn's thread on Dealing with the loss of a parent. So I can speak first hand on attempted suicide. It's a horrible state of mind to be in, and the day I was released from hospital, I had to meet a psychologist, for a bit of a chat, and frequently for a few months afterwards. You wouldn't believe how good these people are at their jobs. So much so, I don't feel afraid anymore of contemplating suicide, coz if things ever get that bad again, I know where to go.

Ken you know better than to listen to people ranting on about your personal tastes (music, dress, etc). There are plenty of people out there (and in here), that would prefer you to talk about your problems, than for you to go and do something stupid. It's always easy for someone (like me, right now) to say that to you, but you just can't go through your life thinking, nobody gives a **** about you, because that's not true. I don't know you very well, but I wouldn't like to see anything bad come your way.

I'm sorry I tend to rant on a little. But the moral of my post is not to lock yourself away. Just realise that there are people who are just waiting for you, to ask for help, and by all means be as selective as you want, when choosing those people, because my friend, there are many out there.

;-phobos-)

phobos

crap I hit the button twice :rolleyes:

;-phobos-)

Karl Hungus

I've never said I'm getting upset at anyone saying anything about any of my personal tastes. And I really don't want people telling me to see anyone. I've seen people before, and most likely will again.

I'm just saying that I needed to get that **** off my chest.
I feel like I know a lot of people here, and half of them I know in real life.
So I do think it's as good a place as any.

Clintons Cat

angel i will try and compose a better reply in the near future,but all i can say is regarding your former friend conner hating you it is not unusual for people the externalise/scapegoat their feelings of rage/guilt/blame onto a third party when dealing with the unexpected loss of a close friend.The is further complicated by your friends addiction,addicts do have a tendency to alienate themselves from people who knew themselves before they got into drugs.
One of my best mates at college got into heroin and despite my own (reletively minor)drug problems last summer we can barely string a sentence together,before feeling uncomfortable in each others presence.Compound that with conners own feelings of guilt/shame and i think you can understand why you are no longer friends,given he seems unable to give your other friends a concrete reason for hating you i think it is safe to assume he is irrationaly externalising his own problems.

I dont really go into irc much but if you need to talk to someone sometime,you can pm me anytime in confidence.
PS hope to see you at one of those boards beer events one day

Karl Hungus

Actually, that's pretty good.
It seems to make sense.
Dunno what to say relaly, but that seems to give me some insight.

the fnj

One thing that has always bothered me about this country is the way it treats people with depression. Depression should be looked upon as an illness (like the flu) and treated in the correct manner. Unfortunately people who suffer from depression are stigmatised they aren’t given jobs and they are outcast from society.

I can relate to a lot of what you said in that thread. It’s kind of weird reading something like that because for years I used to think I was the only person in the entire world feeling the way I do/did.

Going to councillors is defiantly a great help but you should try (you probably already do) develop coping mechanisms for when you do feel down. I know when I really feel bad there are certain things I can do to vent it. I also have certain people that I know I can talk to if I need to try and get something off my chest.

The most important thing is not to try and bury your problems, trying to ignore the problem or trying to hide from it never ever work. It’s a bit of a cliché but it’s very true.

I know I don’t know you that well but if you ever want to talk about it just say the word and I’ll give you a call I can relate to so much of what happened to you I may be able to offer advice.

Of course it probably wouldn’t be great advice because I turned out pretty messed up

Corega

Quote from phobos

What a rather strange thing to say there Corega, coz there is nothing wrong with seeing a psychologist (which you pointed out, so why mention it in the first place??


I think a lot of people these days have problems with seeing psychologists and the like. This is due to the fact that if you do go and see these type of people it's basically stating that you have a problem and some people don't like admitting that. On the other hand if I was in Angel Whore's shoes I would have no prob going to see anyone who might even in the slightest be able to help me.

Whatever happens I hope you do manange to get over your depression and manage to live a good life.

Maybe my signature might cheer you up

Beruthiel

Clintons Cat got there before me Ken, I think your friend Connor is trying desperately to cope with what's happening to him, by spreading the guilt out to someone else means he doesn't have to blame himself as much - however, it's obvious he still does and is trying to kill the pain with drink and drugs - he will never get 1% better while he numbs himself, you can't help him right now until you have sorted yourself out first. Nothing like this has ever happened to me tg, so I cannot even begin to imagine what you are going through. After meeting you in April, I came away with the impression that you are a grand lad, with a lot going for you, time does make things a little easier, insofar as you will cope better than perhaps you are right now. Take good care of yourself, do things that you like to do, and take one day at a time (I have found that looking too far ahead can freak any of us out).
As you have said you do not want to see a professional again there is not much point in me telling you to, but I think that if you start to feel suicidal again PLEASE go and see somebody immediately - you are very young to have so much sh*te happen to you already, but you are alive and many good things WILL happen to you in the future, I promise you that.
If you need to pm me, I'm here.

Karl Hungus

I didn't say I don't want to see a professional again.
I've talk about these things to people before.

I think I put this here more to let you all know a few things about me.

Don't really get the idea that I'm depressed, I'm not...
I just kinda pulled myself out of a bad stint after something happened, and felt like talking about it.

I'm thinking that a few of you are kinda getting the wrong impression about this thread. But thanks all the same. Like I said, it still good to know that people here aren't as spitefull as others. And thanks to all who replied. I think maybe that it makes me feel better that I let you people know that I'm not always the happy chappy, and that I have problems.

I also have to say thanks to RopeDrink, a good friend of mine, because I probably wouldn't have posted this up if he hadn't posted his. But then there still is an awful lot of things that I'm not going to talk about yet.

smiles

Ken, there's nothing i can really say, except that i hope you know that you can talk to me if you ever want to.

As for kids who cut themselves and show it off? Well then for some of them it is a simple cry for help, i know a lot of people like that and while some of them are sick and do it to try to fit in, there are others who pretend it's to fit in but in reality it is asking for help.

<< Fio >>

Dont be at yourself

With any people I know, the ones who proudly display the scars aren't crying for help - its the people who cut themselves but don't show the scars.

AW: I'm awful at giving advice, but I would suggest not letting these things build up and up until they get out of control - address the situation as it occurs, so it won't come back to haunt you later. And you have my ear should you need to talk (or just lick).

Cake Fiend

As I said in Rope's post, the best people to talk to about this are not random anonymous webboard readers - you should talk to close friends for real help. It's easy enough for anyone to say 'go see a shrink', but in real life it's not that feasible. Talk to people who know and care about you.

But I think you'd be surprised at the number of people reading your post who would be able to closely identify with your situation.

Dustaz

Angelwhore, rather than comment on your story, what i would say is that an internet forum is not the place to go to for help. You said you just wanted to get things off your chest, you need to ask yourself why you need to go to this board to get it off your chest when you know youll be hurt by flippant remarks (i dont think ppl who reply with stop listening to morbid angel are really in the 'i dont care' department).

Go to a therapist or a councillor and talk out what you need to talk out. Do it soon. It will be much more useful than posting here.

Then post back here about something gothlike so we can get back to putting your musical/lifestyle choices down )

mayhem#

Seems like there has been a lot of **** in your life lately.
However think of the good & enjoyable things that happen to ye, top yerself and the're gone too.
'nuff said..

apiou

Hi,

I agree totally with LEX but I would add, if you can get a bit of money together go somewhere where you are totally lost (like China for example) and do not speak the language. It may help you a lot more than you may think. Avoid all the places like the UK, France, Spain etc they are too near and to familiar.

I had being helping a friend get over a very bad loss over the past year and a half - two months I helped persuade her to go to Bali for a wedding (i know it is a long way to go for five days). During the build up to it I saw that she was already begining to feel that bit better about herself - then two days before she left she was like a kid before a big event and I was more than delighted for her. She went off to Bali and I rang the hotel where she was going to leave a message for her to enjoy her holiday. It is strange how small things count - She came back a different person - Not that she does not still suffer but she has got the love of life back and is looking forward to things something she has not savoured for a long time. Think about it. If you do not have enough money do not let that be the end of it - maybe your friends can help out.

Concerning RopeDrink - he has not answered to anyones comments over the past week - If you know him could you find out if he is ok.

On your old friend who does not talk to you. I know that that is one of the most hurtful things that can happen - maybe if you wrote him a letter. Everybody mournes in different ways and it looks as thought he is not coping at all. Try to look at that side and not that he does not like you anymore. He is probably a very mixed up person at the moment and maybe he has nobody to talk to about all that happened.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by apiou

Concerning RopeDrink - he has not answered to anyones comments over the past week - If you know him could you find out if he is ok.

He's grand, but he doesn't get on the net that much.

RopeDrink

I also have to say thanks to RopeDrink, a good friend of mine, because I probably wouldn't have posted this up if he hadn't posted his. But then there still is an awful lot of things that I'm not going to talk about yet.

Ken, hate to bring this up but I feel it may be relevant.
I remember when my mother was transferred to the Regional Hospital, and one of the days when my father, Ashleen and I decided to visit her, your grandmother was in the bed opposite my mother.

I saw how distraught you were and it bugged me - Im very used to you being a happy, jovial (If not satanic and all out psychopathic) type of bloke. That day you never smiled, and seemed very down. That was the day I realised that I, myself, am not the only person who was being ravaged by problems - That day helped me understand you a little more.
As a true friend, all im going to say is that you know very well 99.9% of the time you ever ask to call up to the house, you are instantly told to "Get your arse up here" - Why? Because your one of very few people I trust, respect and regard as a true friend.
I did not witness any of your previous problems other than your grand mothers situation, and that alone is distressing, yet as for the rest (Which I haven't experienced before), I dont want to comment - I haven't the capacity to.

The only thing I can say to you is that you have my ear mate, whenever you want it - I am there.

Sorry I couldn't write a better response - I really don't know what to say, other than you've got my support.

Concerning RopeDrink - he has not answered to anyones comments over the past week - If you know him could you find out if he is ok.

Im perfectly fine. I just lack a home net conn, so Im unable to continuously keep check of my thread. Im perfectly fine, and getting ready to head back to work now that my lunch is over - Thanks for the concern.

Ken, want to call up later!?

Lolo

I think everyone on here as already given you loads of good advice, just thought I'd add a few points:

1) Talking to counsellors/ therapists etc. doesn't work for everybody but in your case I think it would
2) Even going somewhere not-very-foreign like the UK still helps a hell of a lot (you might not be able to afford to go somehwere mucho exotico)
3) Listening to depressing music when you're depressed actually makes you feel better! Tis true... the trick is, if you want to change your mood, first listen to something expressing your current state of mind, then something reflecting the state of mind you would like to be in. Works for waking yourself up/ calming youself down etc. as well.
4) Facetious fu ckers who make light of your depression just cause you're a bit of a Goth should be ran through with a large, sharp instrument and fed to rabid coyotes
5) When you're in the middle of a very bad patch it's very hard to see things getting better, but they will eventually - as Ms. Patti Smith said: "We're only given as much as the heart can endure".
I don't know if it's your kind of thing musically, but her "Gone Again" album is the best album about bereavement ever written and I'd highly recommend it.

Kix

Ken,

I think that it can be good and healthy just to put your hand up and say "I had/have depression". I don't talk about mine that much any more but when I was in the middle of it I prefered that people knew. I didn't feel like being stigmatised, I was already going through enough. If people couldn't deal with it, fine. Actually I found that nearly everybody was excellent.

If that's what you're looking to get through this, I hope you do. Dusty clearly knows a bit more about your troubles and he might be right about this not being the right place to deal with stuff but, whither-or-which, I'm really impressed by the sensitivity and level of support that's available here. It's a nice little community and we should be well proud.

Anyway mate, keep yourself together. Concentrate on the good, healthy things in life. Those little pleasures which have no unhealthy associations. Beware of drinking and drugs, even relationships. These are the things which can shake a person when they just need time to heal. Don't be afraid to say "no" to people, to let them see how you're feeling.

If the pain is too much, and I don't know that it is, don't be afraid of asking a GP for anti-depressives. They can level you and give you a base to work from. I wouldn't say they're a nice thing to take but just look at it as an investment in time - 6, 12, 18 months, whatever until you get back on your feet. It's a small price to pay for your life and happiness.

As for the mongs and pis*takers, fuc* them. People like that are either too stupid or too scared to be worth worrying about.

Wish I'd thought of saying this to Rope too but I'm not the most structured writer. Bit of a rambler.

Take care m8.

K

RopeDrink

Wish I'd thought of saying this to Rope too but I'm not the most structured writer. Bit of a rambler.

Good Christ, what does that make me then!?
"Whinge Incarnate!"

Either way it was a nice ramble.

McGinty

I think its good to write down whats on your mind or to vent out feelings and get some feedback. Another good way of coping with anger (for me this works) is to punch something like punch bag or your bed, somewhere you won't hurt yourself. Also keeping a diary can help (its cheaper than counselling) plus it helps to clarify your thoughts. Its easy to get the wrong end of the stick sometimes with friends or relatives. I know I get hugely paranoid at times and I think people are rejecting me when it is the case that they have other issues. If you would ever like to talk you can pm me. In relation to the cutting, I can relate to that but its not something I want to discuss here in depth. Anyhow I hope your feeling better but I really recommend writing down your feelings either here or on a diary. Oh yes also writing a letter to the person who has upset you, but you just read it and then tear it up. An unsendable letter, thats another good way fo purging feelings.

koneko

Angelwhore silly your pm box is full.


Kix is right. I think (for the most part) we have a nice little community here, a lot of nice people that can offer good advice. When you get such big groups of people together that all have different experiences it can be a good thing.

Kraken

Angle even though i dont know you at all only seen you once or twice, you seem to be a very mental person. i mean this in 2 ways 1 you seem like a right mad fecker and likes the laugh which is good. the other way is i think by reading alot of your posts etc that you analysis everything maybe sometimes too much and i know what thats like you get your head completely messed up and sometimes the things that run through your head may not be what you want or 100% correct. (not sure if this is even making sence)

I have not lived through problems like either yours or ropes's but i have/had problems of my own that very few know of id say maybe 2 people ever. But as far as you go it seems that you have your head straight again and we are all glad of that. you would have been a great loss to all us here even if a lot have never seen you we all know you (to a point).

Also i still think you have problems remember your sound files on the humor board i dl'ed them one day at work turned on speakers and played them my work mates were looking at me very funny worth the laugh though.

Also i think that there is a good posibility that this post has helped you a lot of people may not see how but i can. Its nice to know that people care.

As far as ur friend i think its been said already he is just using you as a scapegoat. Very unfair mind you but unless you confront him there is nothing you can do about it.

You have gone through so much unhappyness in life yet you keep a very brave face it is admiral (think thats the word im looking for).

As for the sad fools who were slagging you off as a goth and said the very hurtfull things well that kinda **** i do know about.
It does hurt and espically if its not just a one time thing like the saying if you hear it enough times you think its true. But for you mate its so not true. You should know that you are respected both on here and in real life you just have to realise who your friends are and who is not your friend.

Thats about all i can put to you seeing as that i dont know all your problems or your real personality.

Kraken signing off

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by koneko
Angelwhore silly your pm box is full.

Try again now.

Boston

A lot of things are always left unsaid between people, and maybe that’s not a good thing.
I’ve met you angelwhore, and I’m usually a pretty good judge of character and I have to say you seemed an extremely decent bloke, I’ve meet dozens like you, people who care to much and that’s why it hurts so much when people close to you hurt themselves. At the moment you probably wish you didn’t give a damn but don’t, it’s a part of you and you should never loose it because when you do, life’s beaten you and people like you just don’t let life beat them, its why im talking to you and not your friends. Each new day, is another chance, another opportunity, don’t forget that. Sounds to me also that you have a true friends there in RopeDrink, you would be surprised how comforting it can be to know there’s someone there even without saying a word.

As for those muppets running around with scares showing them off, they had seen what or done what we have, they would run home to mommy and hand back the make up, they belong to a society where if you don’t have problems you manufacture them, where people so around hugging each other and acting insane. Where being different for the shake of being different is the order of the day.

You may remember a few months back a thread here by me, worried out of my skull because a close friend told me he was suicidal. Recent events have leaded me to believe this is merely a fashion accessory, I feel like breaking his face every time he talks about being depressed or his “therapy sessions”. I mean I was there for him, and I know some people think im a bite of a muppet but im loyal to my friends and id do anything for them, In the same way bustaz can be a sap about certain things but totally sound of the important issues. And its just pisses me off this society where people with real problems real troubles feel they have no where or one to turn and forced to face them alone to while Muppets yank your chain. Sorry im ranting im sure anglewhore and others will know how disturbing it is to have people doing these things

smiles

Originally posted by Boston

As for those muppets running around with scares showing them off, they had seen what or done what we have, they would run home to mommy and hand back the make up, they belong to a society where if you don’t have problems you manufacture them, where people so around hugging each other and acting insane. Where being different for the shake of being different is the order of the day.

Like I already said some of those people do have problems that go beyond whats normal.

It's easy to generalise.

I happen to be one of those people who goes around hugging people and acting insane, i am me, i act the way i want to act because thats what i feel like doing, not because everyone is being different, there are some people like that, but it's merely a choice they make. I don't think i'm different and I really don't care whether you, or they think i am normal or different.

So some people act normal, some people act in a different way that is "normal" for them.

I'm sure you've had bad experiences Boston, then again so have I and so have a lot of my friends, far beyond what you call manufactured problems.

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Boston

Im not talking about you, im talking baout people who are supposed to be "depressed" and supposed to be "interverts" but as soon at they reach the central bank their whole character changes, that tells me their puting on at least one false face, most likely two.

Some people like yourself are just instantly social with others, im not myself.

smiles

Originally posted by Boston
Im not talking about you, im talking baout people who are supposed to be "depressed" and supposed to be "interverts" but as soon at they reach the central bank their whole character changes, that tells me their puting on at least one false face, most likely two.

I'm afraid you are talking about me, and about a lot of the people I'm friend with.

People call me shy, others call me stuck up cause i dont talk much as school, when i'm with my friends i tend to talk more. The majority of the people you are talking about only really hang out with their friends at central bank, wouldn't that explain why they're more talkative then?

Do you know *any* of them personally?

Some people like yourself are just instantly social with others, im not myself.

I'm instantly sociable?

Got to remember that one.

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WhiteWashMan

anyone who commits suicide is a selfish bas7ard and should really think about the people they will hurt by their death.
if you think no one will be hurt, then you are stupid.
if you know no one will miss, good luck and get your whole head in front of the gun.

personally i think you should get a grip of yourself, shake yourself and cop on. theres nothing there except for a lingering sadness and a teen angsty need to feel depressed.
most of us have crappy lives, but we get on with it.
yous hould really find some friends in real life to talk to and not a bunch of fúcking muppets like us on a bullitan board who bleat like sheep at the drop of a hat.
ive met you ken. youre a weird person, but ive never held that against anyone. but jesus man, take a look at your life and see the good in it for god sake. if you were in front of me id slap you like a bítch.
look, made you smile.
now bugger of and listen to some crappy music.....

Karl Hungus

Sorry Eamo, but I think you've completely missed the point of the thread.

And I have hundreds of friends "in real life", ok?
And quite a few of the people on here are good friends of mine "In real life" also.

WhiteWashMan

then go and talk to them....
but dont post up here such melodramatics as you want to kill yourself.
god, ger a grip, you sound like an atention seeking kid

Boston

Originally posted by smiles


I'm afraid you are talking about me, and about a lot of the people I'm friend with. ...
Do you know *any* of them personally?

No im not talking about you, im talking about the ones i know personaly away from the bank, long before they became "goth" heads. I was stunt to see the change the minute they hit the place, and im not sure you can call people you bearly remember the name of and nothing else about, a friend. Because ives questioned these guys and the people they hang around with and you know what, they dont have a clue about them

The majority of the people you are talking about only really hang out with their friends at central bank

Im not talking about the manjoruty of people, but its logical to persume there all the same way. But your right, if you act a certain way long enough that becomes you.

I'm instantly sociable?

well thats the way it appeared.

smiles

Originally posted by Boston
No im not talking about you, im talking about the ones i know personaly away from the bank, long before they became "goth" heads. I was stunt to see the change the minute they hit the place, and im not sure you can call people you bearly remember the name of and nothing else about, a friend. Because ives questioned these guys and the people they hang around with and you know what, they dont have a clue about them

Surprisingly, people who have similar interests tend to be able to talk about things and get on pretty well (another example would be a boards beer night)

Im not talking about the manjoruty of people, but its logical to persume there all the same way. But your right, if you act a certain way long enough that becomes you.

Where did I say that if you act a way long enough thats what you become?

Right, so lets get the logic straight, it's rather similar to:

When it rains, i get wet. (Rain implies Wet)

Logical Conclusion: I'm Wet therefore it's raining.

:rolleyes:

All the generalisations you make just prove that you haven't a ****ing clue about these people.

My problem with what you were saying is that you belittled what problems some of those people have because of what you assume is an act.

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Karl Hungus

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
then go and talk to them....
but dont post up here such melodramatics as you want to kill yourself.
god, ger a grip, you sound like an atention seeking kid

God... Did you even fecking read my thread!?
It's nothing to do with "I want to kill myself" or some attention seeking crap.

Please, just go back and read it, ok?

Boston

Originally posted by smiles


Surprisingly, people who have similar interests tend to be able to talk about things and get on pretty well (another example would be a boards beer night)



Where did I say that if you act a way long enough thats what you become?

Right, so lets get the logic straight, it's rather similar to:

When it rains, i get wet. (Rain implies Wet)

Logical Conclusion: I'm Wet therefore it's raining.

:rolleyes:

All the generalisations you make just prove that you haven't a ****ing clue about these people.

My problem with what you were saying is that you belittled what problems some of those people have because of what you assume is an act.

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You see im not generalising, i was talking about a specifice example, and you took its an related it to yourself, you most certainly are not a member a the community im talking about, and weather or not you hang around the bank and hung people is besides the point.

Btw believe me i know what im talking about.

smiles

Originally posted by Boston
You see im not generalising, i was talking about a specifice example, and you took its an related it to yourself, you most certainly are not a member a the community im talking about, and weather or not you hang around the bank and hung people is besides the point.

Right, so this is a generalisation:

Originally posted by Boston
As for those muppets running around with scares showing them off, they had seen what or done what we have, they would run home to mommy and hand back the make up, they belong to a society where if you don’t have problems you manufacture them, where people so around hugging each other and acting insane. Where being different for the shake of being different is the order of the day.

and this?

Originally posted by Boston
Im not talking about you, im talking baout people who are supposed to be "depressed" and supposed to be "interverts" but as soon at they reach the central bank their whole character changes, that tells me their puting on at least one false face, most likely two.

Well I'm afraid I am a member of the community you are talking about and I disagree strongly with your generalisations. Yes they are some specific cases where you are right, but for a lot of them you're not.

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Gordon

*group hug

Dustaz

Bubbles, jesus get off the thread.
Trolling in PI might get you some attention but is not ****ing helpful.

WWman, just to pick ye up on one thing

theres nothing there except for a lingering sadness and a teen angsty need to feel depressed. most of us have crappy lives, but we get on with it.

One of the most debilitating things about depression is the absolute inability to get on with ones life, no matter how good it may seem from the outside. The question should be whether its a teen angst thing or a clinical condition. Sometimes it can be hard to differentiate between the two.

Karl Hungus

I really hate to sound narky about this and all, but if you read my thread properly you'll notice that I'm *Not* saying that I'm depressed. I'm saying that recently I got down, and a load of old feelings and history came back up at me and hit me in the face, so to speak.

It annoys me when people just glance at the topic, or the first few lines, and draw their own concusions. Eg. WWMan.

Lolo

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
anyone who commits suicide is a selfish bas7ard and should really think about the people they will hurt by their death.
if you think no one will be hurt, then you are stupid.
if you know no one will miss, good luck and get your whole head in front of the gun.

To re-iterate what I've said before, peoplee who try to commit sucide usually genuinely belive that theire loved ones are better off without them - this doesn't mean it's true

personally i think you should get a grip of yourself, shake yourself and cop on. theres nothing there except for a lingering sadness and a teen angsty need to feel depressed.
most of us have crappy lives, but we get on with it.

This is exactly the kind of sh it that makes depression so hard to deal with, people not differentiating betwen the emotion of "feeling depressed", which most people can "snap out of", and the condition of depression as an illness. Which I don't think AngelWhore has, by the way, I think he's just going through a cr ap time in his life. But even so, it's not a question of "getting a grip on himslef" - he's clearly trying to find ways of pulling himself out of the quagmire, hence his posting here. You're always going to get a wider range of advice from an online 'community' like this than you could get from your friends alone.

It's people like WWMan who make people with depression scared to talk about it to their friends, tell their employers etc., which needless to say makes the problem even worse.