Chorus Powernet

Joe22

ha 516k right you are,
the only time you will get that with chorus is at 2am in the morning,
then only garantee isdn speed.
still cheap, but will it allways be that way

Dustaz

and you know this because you use it joe yes?
no, no you dont. stfd and stfu.

Stephen

Joe ... how many more times are you going to make this mistake: its 512k, not 516.

Joe22

well Dustaz, if its about the isdn speed, i looked that up on their website.
if its about there crap service, i know because im sick i reading people *****ing abut chorus wireless service.i have yet to see one person happy with it.
i mean open your eyes Dustaz, this is multichannel here. these people are even worse then eircom.

btw Stephen i allways seem to do that for some reason, and say 512mb's for memory

Mixie

I heard bad things about satellite internet and games online... just wondering if anyone had any experience with that?

Anyone know approx. bandwidth used in 1 hour of constant surfing, and 1 hour of constant gaming?

Thanx.

Joe22

chernobyl would be your man,
im not saying im an expert on sat internet, but your ping is going to be be anywere from 300s up.
allso, if your downloading you need to have you internet connection on to keep the sat isp updated, thsi means you need snl, and you need to be online over nigth downloading, and we all know if you go over 75 hours a month esat is going to cut you off.

Lex_Diamonds

Where have I heard this before. Begining of April: "It'll be here at the end of the month" -Chorus Representative

begining of may:"It'll be here at the end of the month" -Chorus Representative

etc

etc

etc

"Yay its here!" /me crahes hover car when I hear the news

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:
i have yet to see one person happy with it.</font>

I have yet to see one person with the service



[This message has been edited by Skeptic1 (edited 05-05-2001).]

AI_inferno

I had a sattelite connection in work for a while before the isp went bust and it was great - it was a 256k connection (may be 512k - wasnt sure) but i got a 40 ping to most irish servers and around 30-40k download speed. Just an example...

chernobyl

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AI_inferno:
I had a sattelite connection in work for a while before the isp went bust and it was great - it was a 256k connection (may be 512k - wasnt sure) but i got a 40 ping to most irish servers and around 30-40k download speed. Just an example...</font>

pings of 40 are 100% impossible with fixed orbit satellites, they are possible with low orbit satellites (but the pings are generally between 5-10 and never as high as 40).
Also internet via low orbit has only been in america for the last yera or so.
were you on a LAN or did you have a direct connection to tht satellite dish your self?

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chernobyl:

Originally posted by AI_inferno:

Also internet via low orbit has only been in america for the last yera or so.
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This is interesting. Which company is supplying this? I'm getting a business idea .

Joe22

forget it Skeptic1, the chances of getting a low orbit sat over ireland is about as likely as the arran islands getting adsl,
btw chernobyl two, two way sat companies are opening up in ireland soon, i know the ping is dubble but i think i might as well go for it when it comes out. think of it, 24/7 512k downloads for as little as 30 a month.

now AI_inferno you have t ounderstand allot of companies run a type of cache system were as if something is on a server that they know is goign to be downloaded 200 times they cache it so there good ping.
for sat it going to have to be 300s or above

chernobyl

There are no low orbit providers in Europe.
Microsoft are working im america to introduce low orbit worldwide.
performance is like 2Mbit up and 38Mbit down....but forget that..its not available.

The company www.starsband.com are supposed to be coming to europe and i would say read up on forums about it.
feeling seem to be quite mixed about starband.a good forum is www.dslreports.com/forum
Satellite is the best option for anyone in ireland with a compination of mixed terrain(bad for wireless) and a 100% monopoly in the telecom market (you know who they are 8-{).

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:
forget it Skeptic1, the chances of getting a low orbit sat over ireland is about as likely as the arran islands getting adsl above</font>

Thank you for your insight into orbital mechanics. You should apply for a job in NASA.

Dustaz

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:
well Dustaz, if its about the isdn speed, i looked that up on their website.
if its about there crap service, i know because im sick i reading people *****ing abut chorus wireless service.i have yet to see one person happy with it.
i mean open your eyes Dustaz, this is multichannel here. these people are even worse then eircom.

btw Stephen i allways seem to do that for some reason, and say 512mb's for memory</font>

Joe, who is talking about ISDN here? What was being talked about is thier wireless service, which is 512. stop confusing the issue by blundering into the business section of thier website and talking ****e.

Joe22

awh i just distroyed a dream, and ihave you know nasa would be lukcy to have me

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chernobyl:
There are no low orbit providers in Europe.
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Does there need to be? I admit that I know nothing about satelite internet, but I would have thought that a low orbit service is, by definition, global. They may not be marketing it in Europe, however.

What company is offering this in America?

chernobyl

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Skeptic1:
Does there need to be? I admit that I know nothing about satelite internet, but I would have thought that a low orbit service is, by definition, global. They may not be marketing it in Europe, however.

What company is offering this in America?</font>

so you think low orbit satellites are buzzing about up there...
they are fixed in position but are still in orbit....

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chernobyl:
so you think low orbit satellites are buzzing about up there...
they are fixed in position but are still in orbit....

</font>

Yes, I did think that. Geostationary satelites maintain a fixed position over the Earth by having an orbital period of 24 hours. In order to have this period they must be high above the earth and therefore not low earth orbit satelites.

Low earth orbit satelites, on the other hand, typically have orbits of around 50 to 70 minutes and so can't stay abouve a certain point on the ground.

In order to supply a low orbit internet service, you would need a "constalation" of these. And so simpy supplying America would involve orbiting above other countries at the same time.

So, which company is supplying this service in America?

zeemoud

well what about powernet is it a yah or nay
and if its 256kb/s+ its still good ok. and is 3 gigabits per month the same as 3000 megabytes

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Skeptic1:

Originally posted by chernobyl:
so you think low orbit satellites are buzzing about up there...
they are fixed in position but are still in orbit....

</font>

Yes, I did think that. Geostationary satelites maintain a fixed position over the Earth by having an orbital period of 24 hours. In order to have this period they must be high above the earth and therefore not low earth orbit satelites.

Low earth orbit satelites, on the other hand, typically have orbits of around 50 to 70 minutes and so can't stay abouve a certain point on the ground.

In order to supply a low orbit internet service, you would need a "constellation" of these (like Irridium). And so simpy supplying America would involve orbiting above other countries at the same time.

If there is an American company offering this, then it should be possible to sign up for it in America and operate it from here. Do you know the name of the company?

Joe22

Skeptic1 makes a good point, i dont think he will be able to get it some how.
now i know even less about sats then Skeptic1 but arnt those sats normally like not at the right angle to hit us if there all aimed at the us

chernobyl

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Skeptic1:
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Thats why low orbit is so fast a cheap.
they are in a fixed position and thats that!
a satellite 10 miles above the earth has serious coverage.obviously not close to one 44,000KM high but they are being designed to be the next method of high speed mobile communications(ie) to provide higer speeds in mobile phones(higher than g3) and mobile internet.

Joe22

chernobyl i rember somethign about that awhile back,
some american company had decided to invest all its moeny in the high orbit sats instead of the low one.

rymus

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dustaz:

Joe, who is talking about ISDN here? What was being talked about is thier wireless service, which is 512. stop confusing the issue by blundering into the business section of thier website and talking ****e.</font>

yes, UP TO 512k. most if not all people on this mystical powernet service which is yet to arrive will be lucky if they get above 128k downstream and maybe even less upstream. On top of that you have the crazy transfer limit which will screw up all your huge downloads unless u want to pay thru the **** for every extra megabyte you download.

As if thats not enough you'll have the Chorus trademarked hardware that will without a shadow of a doubt stop working at least once every day and make u have to **** around with it to get it working again. Dont worry tho, cos chorus 'technicians' will come down and fix it up for you, for a nice hefty callout price. I really pity whoever gets chorus pn if anyone, cos with the time they are taking the llu will be all over and done with and adsl will be coming out everyones ears.

As for powernet - it would work out cheaper and less hassle to get a huge ass fibre connection and to have teams of workmen digging up your garden for weeks to put it in.

Keep awaaaaaayyy from the powernet - you have been warned!

zeemoud

Broadband here I come!
it'll be in south dublin by the end of the month.
get up to 512kb/s per month.
cost
£200 install
£40 month
access All - Hours
bandwidth 3 gigabytes/per month and 2p for every extra meg. they put an antenna on your roof.
either way it will always be faster than normal. and cost less than a NoLimits service with a second line.

Joe22

you see dustaz, rymus back up what i say,
im COMPARING THEIR WIRELESS SERVICE TO ISDN, you muppet. all you get on chorus is the same speed as isdn most of the time.
dont think your going to get better.

you find for me were on the chorus site it says that they will provided a contant 516k.
they dont.

Skeptic1

The only way they could guarantee 512K access is by providing dedicated bandwidth. Neither cable modem nor xDSL do this for domestic services because it is too expensive. In addition to this, like cable modems, you have packet collisions, so providing dedicated bandwidth would be impossible.

My advice would be to ask about their maximum contention ratio. That would give you an idea of the likely hood of getting good bandwidth in practice. Of course it all depends on the usage patterns of the other users.

chernobyl

No ISP ever guarentees bandwidth, they might say "up to" 128 or 512 but they would never say, you will certainly get the max speed.

Joe22

all im saying is they only guarente isdn speed 128k down and 64 up.
and most of the time thats all you get.
this is while hardly anybody is using powernet. wait untill its all setup.
then i think you will see that guarente disapear from their site and contract

Dustaz

Yes, i know all about max speeds and how you cant be guarenteed them. Funny how this point doenst come up when you guys are talking about cable and dsl.
My point is that Joe does not have the pn service (im assuming he lives in dublin) and i havent seen a SINGLE post by someone using it. Its not in dublin, could well be up somewhere in the country, no idea. I will consider pn as a viable alternative untill i hear from someone using it that its poxy.
The simple fact is that for 99% of us, its the ONLY boradband solution (assuming it actually does materialise when they say it will, end of this month). DSL will not be here any time soon, not in the next year anyway. NTL are still stalled, i was told on the phone that it might be 2 years for my area.
This leaves me with SNL which im still on, but could go at any time, ISDN which i refuse to pay for and Chorus, if it arrives.
I am not a bandwith whore, i dont download gig after gig after gig of mp3s, warez and porn so the download limit doesnt hugely worry me.
I fully intend to ask them about contention ratios and maximum/practical speeds as well as reading the TOS. To be honest, if they can only guarentee me 128k down speed, whats the problem? Its cheaper than paying for ISDN.
If its toss, its toss, Im back to waiting for DSL with everyone else. If its not then i guess im happy.

m1ke

yes ... it looks cheaper then isdn, and if all you can get out of it is isdn speeds (128k which is a lot better then 64k) then it makes sense getting it.

That 3gb limit would drive me fookin crazy tho, There's been weeks when i've downloaded up to 5gigs on ISDN ... never mind 3 in 1 whole month

Joe22

what do you base your estimate on adsl on exactly.
within 2 months of LLU being in placed.(ie the first lines to actually be unbundled)
i expect it a month or two after it in the dublin 1-5 area, and the dublin 20-22
(as these are the areas i know for a fact have there exchanges upgraded).
the only thing holding up LLU is the court case hanging over the odtr, not even the terms of bitstream can delay it as they have been set by the odtr.
now unless you expect this court case to carry on for months and months when eircom have totaly no grounds to bring it.what exactly am i missing.

Ps NTL will be supplying cable internet along with digital tv, in most dublin areas, they have 4 months (i think) to have something like 15% of dublins cable users upgraded to digital. only problem with that is unless you live in the bog whole of dublin 20 dont hold your breath

Dustaz

Joe, do you read threads other than the ones you start? I base my estimate on Eircoms complete unwillingness to unbundle or offer a less profitable service than their current ISDN and business leased lines.
If you think your going to get DSL any sooner than q1 2001, think again. Unless your in an area that they do a large scale test with (such as tallaght for NTL) your S.O.L.

PS NTL have no intention of supplying 'most' dublin customers with cable internet access. They stalled it for economic reasons and if you think they are going to upgrade thier network in 'most dublin areas' in 4 months, i would suggest you stay in your fantasy world

Joe22

"q1 2001" isnt thAt allready gone?
how if what you say is true whats makes you think llu will ever come around

you really really think this crap will go on for another 2 years. eircom w=may ***** and scream about dsl and llu, and you right, if it was up to them it would take years. but i wont the odtr have taken the first steps in forcing them to submitt.
What you think eircoms going to have a free hand forever?
you said "DSL will not be here any time soon, not in the next year anyway"
so if it not going to be here next year your saying 2003, that to me smells of ****e.

ive said it once ill say it again expect 24/7 internet by the end of the year and dsl
q1 2002. i never said 2001 for dsl.

now as for NTL since when is 15% most dublin area. maybe you should learn to read.
i made it quiet clear ntl are plaining to upgrade most of dublin area AND in the next 4 months 15% of dublins cable usuers.
NOT most dublin areas within 4 month.
it seems to me you only read what you want to.

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:
Ps NTL will be supplying cable internet along with digital tv</font>

Their plans are to upgrade certain homes to Digital TV only. This is in keeping with their licence requirements which do not refer to cable internet. They can do this because some of the networks they bought from cablelink will support digital tv but not two-way services. Thats their public plan anyway.

Kali

hmm I thought digital tv required two-way services.. hence all the "interactive" content etc.
either way for cable interent all that is basically needed is a CMTS fitted for every area and the bandwidth to back it up

Joe22

NTL are plaining a cable internet service,
and your right allot of homes wil ljust get digital tv, but if adsl is out then their going to do both

Koopa

why does a satellite have to be in high orbit to have a 24 hour/orbit time?

Chris_533976

Just to remention the satellite internet fiasco, Skybridge and Teledesic are the two systems to offer two-way decent access in the next few years.

Go check my website for all the details - under Broadband.

http://uie.8m.com

--Chris--

Skeptic1

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Koopa:
why does a satellite have to be in high orbit to have a 24 hour/orbit time?
</font>

Generally, the higher a satelite is, the longer the orbit will be. The further away from the earth, the smaller gravity will be and so the satelite does not need to move so fast to stay in orbit. I think it's called the inverse square law of gravity.

All geostationary satelites are a fixed height above the equator for this reason.

chernobyl

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Koopa:
why does a satellite have to be in high orbit to have a 24 hour/orbit time?

</font>

In order to provide coverage over a certian area 27/7/365 the satellites are at an exact fixed height and position.

Skeptic1

The reason is more to do with physics than coverage requirements.

Here's what NASA has to say:

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
A satellite in geosynchronous orbit circles the earth once each day. The time it takes for a satellite to orbit the earth is called its period. For a satellite's orbit period to be one sidereal day, it must be approximately 35,786 kilometers (19,323 nautical miles or 22,241 statute miles) above the earth's surface.</font>

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/rocket_sci/satellites/geo-high.html

nerox

Just to let all use know.. Powernet is available in Limerick, i have contacted them and they sent me a load of s***, telling me costs and other stuff. If ye want ill post them up on a site

Lex_Diamonds

Well, they send that "load of ****" to everyone who asks about Powernet. Doesnt mean
its actually available.

Moriarty

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:
"q1 2001" isnt thAt allready gone?
</font>

Q1 of financial year, fool.

---

Moriarty
mrmoriarty@eircom.net

Joe22

i never said adsl in 2001 i allways said 2002, so i guess he meant q1 2002

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Lenny

got a problem there Joe22 ?

Joe22

no not really,
just been so long since i hear fool, i went into mr T mode,

TacT

All I know of the whole broadband issue/adsl etc is this.....................It will not be here for at least another 6months to year

When it does come out (eircom) are going to be targeting businesses.........NOT individuals at home.

They are trying to get the home users to use their hi-speed line..........leaving adsl to businesses.

Broadband access will be unaffordable from the average person's perspective.

I didn't just go and make this up...........one of my colleagues is working with eircom developing adsl atm.

>>>>>>>>that's my two cents

Skeptic1

That is what we can expect if Eircom prevents LLU from happening. There is no way Eircom can continue to offer ISDN if another company is offering flat rate ADSL. ISDN line rental plus a few hours easily goes over £80 per month. Any company offering ADSL would be able to wipe the floor with Eircoms ISDN.