If u had all the money u needed what would u build?

[fist]Snowball

If u had all the money in the world what would u build (PC wise, and u have to build it)?

Tell us what u would use and what good tec out there for PC's that we may not know about?

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Joe22

Coolercase "Extreme-XS" (431W PSU)
Asus A7A266 DDR/PC100/PC133 (Socket A)
AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz 266MHz FSB (Socket A)
GlobalWin WBK38

Crucial 256MB DDR PC2100 CAS-2.5
Crucial 256MB DDR PC2100 CAS-2.5

Hercules 3D Prophet II PRO 64MB – OEM
Quantum Fireball Plus AS 60GB

Plextor PleXwriter 16/10/40A Burn-Proof CD-RW – Retail
Pioneer DVD-106 Region Free! – OEM
REALmagic Hollywood Plus DVD Decoder Card

Microsoft IntelliMouse Optical USB/PS2 Mouse – OEM
Microsoft Natural Elite USB/PS2 Keyboard – OEM

Creative Soundblaster Live! Platinum 5.1
Creative Labs Desktop Theatre 5.1 DTT3500 Digital
Hansol 910A 19" Monitor
Canon CanoScan N1220U USB Flatbed Scanner

the graphics card is pretty damn good but i was thinking id go for a Matrox G550

anyway i did take some advise off this board, and instead of holding out for a dual t bird, im going for an asus

Gerry

I think he said, all the money you want. So a single cpu system would be left behind in the dust. I'm not even going to bother picking holes in the spec you posted, the mind boggles at how you picked middle of the road parts with an unlimited budget.

It would be an 8 way xeon, either the 700's with 2 megs of cache, or the 1 gig version, on a serverworks motherboard. A gig or 2 of pc133 ram, ultra scsi 160 host adapter
a few 15,000 rpm seagate cheetah hard drives
geforce3, and 1 or 2 other good pci graphics cards, perhaps a professional video capture card.
A few gigabit network cards, each hooked up to its own E3 line or whatever.
A higher quality sound card than the sblive, like a turtle beach card.
A professional seperates hi-fi system to hook it up to.
Either 2-3 mitsubishi diamondtron 22" monitors, or a plasma screen of some sort.
Logitech infra-red keyboard and mouse
Supermicro server case to put it all in.

You could go much crazier than this, with unlimited cash, I suppose it depends on how much space you have to put it all in.

[fist]Snowball

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:
Coolercase "Extreme-XS" (431W PSU)
Asus A7A266 DDR/PC100/PC133 (Socket A)
AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz 266MHz FSB (Socket A)
GlobalWin WBK38 </font>

Why Athlon?

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[fist]Snowball

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Gerry:
I think he said, all the money you want. So a single cpu system would be left behind in the dust. I'm not even going to bother picking holes in the spec you posted, the mind boggles at how you picked middle of the road parts with an unlimited budget.

It would be an 8 way xeon, either the 700's with 2 megs of cache, or the 1 gig version, on a serverworks motherboard. A gig or 2 of pc133 ram, ultra scsi 160 host adapter
a few 15,000 rpm seagate cheetah hard drives
geforce3, and 1 or 2 other good pci graphics cards, perhaps a professional video capture card.
A few gigabit network cards, each hooked up to its own E3 line or whatever.
A higher quality sound card than the sblive, like a turtle beach card.
A professional seperates hi-fi system to hook it up to.
Either 2-3 mitsubishi diamondtron 22" monitors, or a plasma screen of some sort.
Logitech infra-red keyboard and mouse
Supermicro server case to put it all in.

You could go much crazier than this, with unlimited cash, I suppose it depends on how much space you have to put it all in.

</font>

NOW THATS WHAT I'M TALKIN ABOUT!!!!

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Joe22

well with the t birds you got your 266 fsb
they run very stable,
very fast, easy to upgrade
their ahell of allot cheaper then the p4
and a 1.33gig will oc to 1.7gig while you would be hard pressed to get a p4 1.5gigs to 1.7gigs.

thats why

Joe22

gerry the difference between me and you is im going to build mine, whiel your going to have wet dreams over yours.

satchmo

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by [fist]Snowball:
If u had all the money in the world what would u build?</font>

Get with the program Joe.

Gerry

ah, Jazz beat me to it

dahamsta

I've got a whole room here ready for a big horse of a Beowulf cluster. Feel free to drop round the cash anytime, I'm always here. Bring Penguin Mints.

Gerry

joe22, have a bit of a read about the tbird and the p4.

www.tomshardware.com
www.aceshardware.com
www.anandtech.com
www.hardocp.com

Joe22

Gerry, since you didnt make some smart ass comment about what i said im guessing you agree about the t bird, im allso guessing by your past posts that your a p4 man, now i havent really looked to much into p4s thats why i just left it at amd is better to overclock.which even you have to agree with

i just say this gerry i dont need to read up on those website, i have them all.
the main reason i never looked to p4 is because of rambus, which is about 40% better then sdram but the latency sucks,
the really high end machines should use rambus, but for a home pc its abite of an expensive waste of money.

Gerry

no, I provided those links so you could read about them. I completely disagree with your statement. I'm not going to be buying either of these chips, and I don't think one or the other is much better overall. However:

The athlon is NOT more stable, I don't know where you got this from. This is largely down to the crappy via platform.

If you read any p4 reviews, or p4 motherboard reviews, they will probably remark on the excellent stability. Any time they have commented about stability, it has been to say that the test machine didn't crash ONCE during testing. This makes the p4 an even more stable platform than the p3, using the majority of p3 motherboards.

For an example of this, read anandtech's review of the asus p4t motherboard.

prices of the p4 have come down big time.

As for overclocking, you are going on hearsay, and getting your facts wrong yet again.

There are indeed a few athlons going to 1.7, I haven't seen this with normal cooling. A few make it to 1.6. More common is 1.5.

The p4 is now available to buy at 1.7 ghz, the 1.5 ghz version frequently clocks to 1.8, the 1.7 has been clocked to 2.2 ghz. Read www.hardocp.com for an example of this.

The p4 needs to be clocked to a higher speed than the athlon to match it for performance, indeed the athlon 1.33 ghz is able to beat the p4 1.7 in some programs. I'm not going to ramble about the differences in architecture between the 2 chips. If you have any interest, read up on them, otherwise quit talking rubbish.

yossarin

does it have to be a computer ?
i want a death ray, and an orgasmatron, and a cigar...

Celt

When will joe get a clue and **** off?

Kali

hehe somebody obviously seen the "MAMMOTH PC" thread in For Sale

http://arstechnica.com/guide/system/godbox.html

would be my ideal system at the moment...
mmmm pc150 ram.. mmm Sony GDM-FW900 (2304x1440 @ 80Hz)
with a geforce 3 instead of that ultra of course.

I'd go with Gerrys but theres no way I'd be able to put it together, and to take advantage of more than two cpus you'd need Solaris or something.

dahamsta

> i want a death ray
>
I'm sure George "Not The President" Bush will be able to help you out in a year or two. Effin loony.

> and an orgasmatron
>
That's my middle name.

> and a cigar...
>
Huh? There's a guy on Webmaster'll probably give you the cigar if you do a website for 'im.

harVee

I wouldn't build anything myself, but I'd put a lot of money into cyber dildonics research.
Maybe I could test the research.

yossarin

"wet wear" ?

Gerry

kali, I think win2k advanced server can use 8 cpu's, not too sure.

Joe22

gerry a 1.2gig axia t bird with the right cooling will hit 1.6 stable.
im not going on hearsay you litle freak, ive seen it.
ive yet to see a 1.33 tbird hit 1.7gig but im sure it will.
as for price, your talking crap as usual, p4 1.5 gig is a hell of alot more expensive then a t bird 1.3 gig

Ps you forgot to say something about the rambus memory with p4

the only main thing with a p4, you can oc a p4 and it will run allot cooler then a t bird,
therefore more stable, but if you know what your doing then it doesnt make a difference

sutty

And you don't you fool. Gerry has been on the boards a lot longer than you, and in that time has build a lot of pc's for ppl on here (WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS.........HE KNOWS HIS SH!T)

Now I my self am an athlon man (why must they call it athlon 4....why?!?!?!) and even I see holes in what you say about the P4.

right back to the topic.......I'd have this setup

http://www.ust.hk/%7Ewebopa/s0508.html

MMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........48 1Gz Athlon cpus...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

but I'd build mine so it works under water. use a load of money to build a great big pool.....and have loads of hookers and have a great time

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[fist]Snowball

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by yossarin:
does it have to be a computer ?
i want a death ray, and an orgasmatron, and a cigar...</font>

IT CAN BE ANYTHING, BUT IF IS IS STRANGE U HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT AND IT'S USES!!!!

IT CAN BE ANYTHING, BUT IF IS IS STRANGE U HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT AND IT'S USES!!!!

LETS GO INSANE AND POST MAD IDEAS!!!!

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Gerry

joe, I'm not going to respond to your pathetic attempts at personal insults.

But, you don't have an idea what you are talking about. I'm still trying to point that out to you, still you respond with spam. I'll give up soon, don't worry.

YES, SOME axia tbirds have made it to 1.6. That doesn't mean they all will. In fact most of them won't. Here you show you know nothing about overclocking. Quality varies, some chips make high speeds, others don't.

from www.pricewatch.com:

1.33 ghz athlon: $198
1.5 ghz p4: $256

p4 still costs more, where did you see me disputing that? All I was saying was it has come down an awful lot in price. I'm not going to say that the p4 1.5ghz is the faster chip in real world app's, but those were the two chips you mentioned.

as for rambus, well I thought you were capable of reading up on it. Yes, it has terrible latency, but the p4 is designed to compensate for this latency, and use the huge bandwidth of rdram ( around twice that of ddr ram ). RDRAM is expensive, but I'm not asking you to buy it.

"ive yet to see a 1.33 tbird hit 1.7gig but im sure it will."

another fine example of your idiocy.

your last comment is completely untrue also. The p4 does not run more stable than the athlon because it runs cooler, in fact it produces almost as much heat. The stability is due to better motherboard and chipset design. And you don't know what you are doing joe, don't fool yourself.

If you are getting a new system joe, please get a dell or gateway, don't build it yourself. Could be a lot more expensive than you originally bargained for, what with your levels of technical knowledge and common sense.

Also, could you please **** off. I'm sick of trying to make you see sense.

Boa

Well if I had ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD. I would probrably build an ALL IN 1(tm) system. Basically ,to cut out all the technical stuff, it does everything u can think of in ....er 1.

SantaHoe

I'd hire some ùber-tech goons from intel, AMD, nVidia, etc... to design and build me the most powerful system ever ... I'm sure they could break 10GHz if I payed them enough.
It'd sit in a sculpted saphire case shaped like a cat, and would have the biggest monitor the world has ever seen.
I'd still keep my Logitech mouse and Trust keyboard though.

Joe22

gerry your talking crap
$256 for a p4 1.5gig.
what a total load of ****e,
you and whitelancer make claims
on prices and never back them up
"gf2 ultra for around £215 irish"
fine post were to get them ill buy 5

now if you knew anything about overclocking you little **** you would know that axia will hit 1.6 no problem, i could post benchmarks but i dont really care,
and that the colder your cpu is the more stable it is therefore the p4 would be more stable,
now please go **** your, and leave this to the big boys.

[This message has been edited by Joe22 (edited 11-05-2001).]

Celt

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:
gerry your talking crap
$256 for a p4 1.5gig.
what a total load of ****e,
you and whitelancer make claims
on prices and never back them up
"gf2 ultra for around £215 irish"
fine post were to get them ill buy 5

now if you knew anything about overclocking you little **** you would know that axia will hit 1.6 no problem, i could post benchmarks but i dont really care,
and that the colder your cpu is the more stable it is therefore the p4 would be more stable,
now please go **** your, and leave this to the big boys.

[This message has been edited by Joe22 (edited 11-05-2001).]</font>

Any axia whether X or Y is only guaranteed to 1.4ghz. It wont hit 1.6ghz no problem, most people are forced to stop slightly over 1.5ghz, and if you look around and wait a whileyou will se GF2 ultra on scan for around £175 stg and if your willing to buy from america it's even cheaper. As for cooling, the P4 doesnt need as much as Athlon and cooling has little to do with stabilitty. WHen comparing P4 to athlon, most reviews state the P4 as being extremely stable compared to the athlon. Oh and from anandtech's weekly cpu price list

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Pentium 4 - 1.5GHz (400) $266 - Down $174
Athlon Thunderbird 1.33GHz (266MHz) $200 - Down $20 </font>

SO i do think P4 1.5 ghz are much more affordable. Oh and Joe, do you really think Intel would match their P4's to a memory that was as ****e as you try to make it out to be? Or are you saying your smarter than intel?

fisty

just agree to disagree
you are like two oul ones over a brandy

[fist]Snowball

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:
and the P4 has a longer instruction pipeline cutting down on clock for clock performance making a P4 1.5 gig perform as fast as a 1 GHz. Explaining why a 1.2 gig t bird outperforms a 1.5 gig P4.</font>

Bur pentiums are cr*p, why do u think that very few web servers use them?

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[fist]Snowball

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Boa:
Well if I had ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD. I would probrably build an ALL IN 1(tm) system. Basically ,to cut out all the technical stuff, it does everything u can think of in ....er 1. </font>

Give us some specs!!!!

The whole point of this is to share ideas and share tech knowladge. Tell us what hardware u would use

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logic1

Someone make Joe go away.

.logic.

[fist]Snowball

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dead{o}Santa:
I'd hire some ùber-tech goons from Intel, AMD, nVidia, etc... to design and build me the most powerful system ever ... I'm sure they could break 10GHz if I paid them enough.</font>

Now, if u read the 1st post I said that u HAD to build it ur self and give us some specs

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It'd sit in a sculpted sapphire case shaped like a cat, and would have the biggest monitor the world has ever seen.
I'd still keep my Logitech mouse and Trust keyboard though.</font>

Now that a cool Idea I like this cat thing.
Mmmmmmmmmmmm ridiculously big monitors.......

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Celt

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Joe22:
and the P4 has a longer instruction pipeline cutting down on clock for clock performance making a P4 1.5 gig perform as fast as a 1 GHz. Explaining why a 1.2 gig t bird outperforms a 1.5 gig P4.</font>

P4 are next gen chips suited for apps and games coming out in the future, Athlon is suited for todays games. If you had read any of those sites recommended to you, you would know you idiot. And youve seen plenty of 1.2 gig athlons reach 1.6 ghz? where? you bought them? tell us where you get all your extended knowledge from O holy one.

Dustaz

*end of toungue biting period*
Joe, Most people on here respect Gerrys opinion for the simple fact that hes built systems and given very good and professional advice to people here for ages. Calling him full of **** is only showing yourself up even more than you already have. Stay in school, stop posting half formed opinions garnered from trolling tech sites and maybe you may be able to have an intelligent conversation with him.

As to the topic. All i want is a Holodeck, is that too much to ask?

llatsni

Oh Holy Joe, of the ancient spanners.
Show us your mystical powers.
Uber.

No really.

Anyhow:
I know a guy who worked for Microsoft *cringe* in the 80's where he and the R&D dudes made a custom 486. It had 16 DX2-66 processors, 1GIG of RAM and a few terrabytes of SCSI glory. Sweet. I'd make something similar - but a little updated - maybe something like a quad processing P4 1.7Ghz overclocked to 2Ghz each, with 5GB RDRAM and a few hundred GIGS of Ultra wide SCSI mayhem. nice.

azezil

hate to be the one to point this out...actually no i don't!

p4's require RDRAM! which runs at a nice 600mhz...puff u lot with ur SDRAM 133mhz LOL

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[fist]Snowball

I think u guys should stop slaggin each other off and tell me what would be the best system in the world!!!

But u have to but cool **** is like that cat shaped box. lol that is a cool Idea. Ns 1 m8

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vac

If i had all that money, first thing i would look in the buy and sell get ****s loads of dirt cheap parts and make my self a nice little p166 mp3 playing machine...

Then i would pay some crazy people to kidnap Bill gates, beat his **** red with his own shoes and get it all on camcorder.

[fist]Snowball

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by VacilatoR:
If i had all that money, first thing i would look in the buy and sell get ****s loads of dirt cheap parts and make my self a nice little p166 mp3 playing machine...

Then i would pay some crazy people to kidnap Bill gates, beat his **** red with his own shoes and get it all on camcorder.</font>

Ns 1 vac. U always have the best ideas

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Shinji

I've seen plenty of 1.2 athlons go past 1.6 - you just need to make sure you have an AXIA-Y chip, and you're sorted.

Your comment about the P4 is rubbish by the way Whitelancer, the fact is that in raw performance and floating point performance it's trounced by the Athlons. Intel are feeding this line about how the "next generation" of games and apps will be faster on P4 thanks to the Screaming Sindy stuff, but the fact is that nobody can be bothered doing anything with it because Geforce/Radeon pixel shaders and vertex shaders do everything it can do, faster and more efficently.

In performance and price terms, Intel lose this round. Their only hope for catching up is a new generation of hardware before the 64-bit chips, or an early headstart in the 64-bit space.

Gerry

yes shinji, you will notice I avoided drawing conclusions about the p4's performance.
I don't know whether software will be written for it, all I know is that when software is written for it, it is damn fast. Its also unfair to generalise the p4's performance like you have done. In some specific situations, it is faster than the tbird.

take a look at this link:

http://www.hardocp.com/reviews/cpus/intel/p417/index4.html

Yes, applications where the p4 is faster are quite rare, but they do exist. Recently nvidia drivers have given the p4 a bit of a boost, though these same drivers did boost the athlon as well. The success of the p4 depends purely on software being written for it. Time will tell if this happens.

Celt

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1460

Gerry

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/01q2/010511/index.html

Joe22

see Shinji agrees
whitelancer, i know what your saying, but im building a pc for now not for when software catchs up.
OK
as for were and how to get a 1.2gig t bird to 1.6gig, you tell me were to buy a geforce 2 64 ddr ultra for that price now, and ill tell you.

Celt

http://www.scan.co.uk/today.htm
The New Chaintech 64Mb
Ge-Force 2 DDR ULTRA VGA Card
( with TV Out too....) Full Retail Box Version

£172.00
Oh and Joe, i was asking how much experience you had woth o/cing athlons not where to get them. I know perfectly well where to get an axia Y 1gig ie: the link above. And here read this might enlighten you http://www.athlonoc.com/tbirdshootout.htm

Hobbes

typical everyone thinking with thier Wangs...

We will assume for a second that my perfect system will be top of the range processor and at least a terabyte of space.

However I think what needs to be revolutionized now (apart from bandwidth) is interface and layout.

So I would want my walls of my apartment have some kind of touch sensitive monitor (totally flat, like that new stuff that is like fabric). Then it would be voiced controlled or I could say "Keyboard" and one would appear near me to allow me to type. The same stuff would be on my coffee table, and would change web pages into looking like magazines on the table so I could read boards.ie as if it was a book on the table. I could use a stylus as well to write if I wanted and would also have a book that I could pick up and feed the information into that (which would be electronic paper).

I wouldn't need the TV, instead the far wall will generate the image as if a TV is there with sound system and I could change the channels with just voice or motions.

The kitchen would have the stuff too, the fridge would monitor what's left in the fridge and auto generate a shopping list and order new food at a set time (when it has enough to fill).

The computer would monitor everything, so if the toilet gets blocked it will call a plumber.

Lastly I would have a portable interface as well, what kind i'm not sure. Either Gargoyle type interface (ref: Snow crash - Niel Stevenson) or maybe the fabric in my jacket will generate the interface and screen.

Joe22

cool, its retail allso
i think ill place an order with them, thanks.
guess i was wrong.
well ill have to admitt i have owned a 1.2gig and got it to 1.6gig
but ive seen friends pcs that have,
the most i ever got was a normal atlon 700 to 850

sutty

lol...Joe try and make some sence.

back on topic.

as well as that 48 pro Athlon sys, I would have a centralised storage. My TCP corse Teacher showed me. its pritty damn hot. Rack mount with a main unit 1u or 2u (differance is the amount of CPU's it has) It can have something like 100TerBytes of SCSI with RAID at level 5. (one sweet peace of kit) oh and it also has multable 1GB nic's.

/me wet's him self

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sutty

Also just to note on that site AthlonOC. If you want a Athlon to run at 1.6Gz (and yes it has been done) You need to mod the motherboard to allow a core volt of 2+. in that test he only used 1.85. You will need to use water cooling at this voltage. (theres a new pre-build water cooling case thats coming out and we'll be able to order in about 2 months) its very quite and will cool the HD, CPU, PSU.

also the only real thing that I have seen (I've been rong before and I will be again) is that Ram bus ram, is only better than DDR in terms of its bandwidth. in that it owns, but every thing else it su<ks and costs 2 or more times as much as DDR.

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Joe22

just talking to the white man about the ultra