bands that all sound the same

matilda

has anyone else noticed that in the last few years a lot of Irish bands including some very new bands all sound very acoustic?
or just don't rock - some of which have five or six members and don't even make the noise of a good three piece rock band.

I know there are some great rock bands around but for every TURN there are a dozen other bands that all fit very well together.


brando, sonora, melaton......and many more

it is all a bit booring and all seem to be doing a serious song writer thing. booring

Dave kitt
damine rice
josh ritter (outlander but the same bob dylan thing)

what is happening


bring on more TURN

the only band I have seen in Dublin in the last two years that really rock and have good songs - so what if they dress like the jam, they rock

polarbelly

uh oh!

here comes the contoversy

atonal

First off I am not sure I would site Turn as the greatest thing around, theyare fine, nothing against them and they do indeed dress like the Jam but I quite like The Jam

Second I really like all that acousticy stuff so it dosent seem like that big a problem - especially when well crafted - there are a handful of these singer-sonwritery bands some of them are brilliant. I have my personal favorites

Thirdly - I love BIG sounding rock bands - of which there are some but never enough - again I have my personal favorites

Fourth - If you poke around there really is a good bit of variety

matilda

ok then,

why don't we make a list of really good bands


1. TURN
2.?

for me the only real talent I have seen in a while

TURN
GEMMA HAYES


THAT IS IT I'M AFRIAD

clevenger

then matilda go look at

the redneck manifesto
johnny pyro
the jimmy cake
empire
the connect 4 orchestra
joan Of Arse

etc..


TURN SUCK COCK

Brautigan

Not wishing to enter into any sort of good band/bad band debate but whilst TURN are an excellent band when they slow it down and go into bleeding heart mode? Maaaan are they boring..

120_Minutes

check us out matilda, we rock!

www.mp3.com/skyjack

www.skyjackmusic.com

we're supporting superskin in the tbmc on april 17th

Kurdt

well, i gotta say i love turn...never seen them play a bad show...

damien rice...think he's great too...

as for other good bands around...

just look at the lineup for the bankholidaymonday6thmay gig...

the frames/damien rice/mundy/bell x1/liftTOexperience...

and how can we forget the revs....there's a band that sux!!!

david kitt...saw him a while back...is he still using a mini disc for drumming or has he got a drummer/band???? the coolest thing about david kitt is the lil bro kitt...

josh ritter...listened to the new album...did nothing for me...

Kurdt:knockedout:

Minerva

i think someone needs to learn the difference between 'music' and 'noise'.
just because a band dont 'rock' or 'kick ass' or any other beavis & butthead term you use, doesnt mean they are bollox.
or boring.
there is life after staind ye know....



probably...
:P

manofspeed

If you're looking for kickass Matilda, then you'd better check SPEEDMAN out
www.speedman.ie
or come to our gig next wednesday night (see posting below)

Monkey

David Kitt and Damien Rice sound the same? You'd not confuse the 2, their vocal styles are way different for a start.

NPB and Large Mound both rock

matilda

sorry guys but I have seen all the above suggested bands and they din't do it for me!

skyjack, no offence but flash equipment and cordless mics don't make a band. good songs do.


I am sure lots of people love what you do but then look at the american charts - it's full of that stuff.

alb

Umm Josh Ritter is American anyway not Irish.

Also you can't give out about the type of music a band play. If people want to play acoutic stuff and are good at it and get a solid following of fans who love it then why should they rock. The main reason there is probably so many of them is that the initial few gained such a devoted following that any friends or support acts of theirs became popular by these fans also. The Frames are probably responsible for a large section of them.

Thirdly, I'm sure there's plenty of up and coming rock bands around Dublin, I defintly know of some good lo-fi ones. Mebbe they just need to develop a solid fan base aswell

matilda

ALB OR IS IT ABBA


Anyway, if you could read you would see that next to Josh Ritter
it says (outlander) ba dah!

alb

Originally posted by matilda
ALB OR IS IT ABBA

Eh .... abba?

120_Minutes

fair enough matilda, you dont like what we do, but there's no need to attack our songwriting ability, as we do work really hard on our compositions in an effort to create something new, sure we're heavy sometimes and bands that sound like us are all over the american charts, but we dont sit ourselves down in a rehearsal room and go, "oooo staind are big now, lets write a song like theirs" we're an irish (and partly french) band, but what pisses me off most is that to be an irish rock band you have to have that distinct irish "sound" (its hard to describe that in words....i'm sure a lot of you know what i mean, eemmmm an example would be jj72, i think they're ****ing clown shoes......) i and my fellow bandmates dont wish to sound like that, its just that our collective influences make us sound the way we do, and i love it, I'm kinda glad that most irish rock sounds the same, it helps us sound more unique....and the jibe about flash gear, have you a problem about us trying to sound the best we can be? I'm sorry but if i went to see a band who made no effort to perform and sound 100% i'd feel a little jipped, its been our work ethic to sound professional from day one, in the hope that it may actually become our profession.

we may have flash gear but we write damn good songs too,

but then you cant please all of the people all of the time...

120_Minutes

and i like turn by the way, they should be a lot bigger by now....

thedrowner

turn are another one of those bands that are good when theyre goos and horrid when theyre bad, but i havent found much of their stuff to be horrid
i find that music comes in trends for the past few years, i dont know, maybe it was because i was immersed in music or exploring my tastes but a few years back their seemed to be more diversity in types of music, and more diversity in people's taste in music, it was easy to find somehitng that you liked
not i find that in not just ireland, but particularly in america, a band will come out that people like and suddenly many clone bands are coming out. i hated blink 182 when they came out and i still hate them and all the clones that came back. now its bands like papa roach, staind, linkin park, creed...when i first heard staind i quite liked them, and i still do, but its been slightly ruined by the many bands doing similar sounding music.
but even thought i dont like it, its not up to me to (seriously)give out about people who do, or think my taste in music is superior just because ts my taste. on saying that if someone makes a false claim im all for jumping in their and ripping them to shreds
sorry
i dont know wherethat big seirous post came from

Kurdt

i gotta ask....who are creed a clone of??

its certainly not staind, linkin park or papa roach...

they sound nothing alike...creed have been around longer than papa roach/linkin park/staind...where is creeds dj??

Kurdt:knockedout:

120_Minutes

if eddie vedder ever dies, p.j. can just nick creeds singer, nuff said

thedrowner

ooh, sorry i didnt mean creed..i meant p.o.d. i think
or whose that band who are ALWAYS on mtv with that older than most lead singer with the blondish curly hair and beard?
i dont know much of creed's music but what i have heard i like

alb

Originally posted by 120_Minutes
if eddie vedder ever dies, p.j. can just nick creeds singer, nuff said

Why would ed ever die, he's immortal

bandit

on a pearl jam vibe, eh that band label are doin there best to sound like then.
melaton = jeff buckley / thom yorke
wilt = foo fighters
the frames = pixies
paddy casey = my arse after a disturbingly powerfull curry

alb

Originally posted by bandit
on a pearl jam vibe, eh that band label are doin there best to sound like then.
melaton = jeff buckley / thom yorke
wilt = foo fighters
the frames = pixies
paddy casey = my arse after a disturbingly powerfull curry

ROFL the frames = the pixies??? that's just ridiculous, I don't remember any folk songs on the pixies albums nor a violinist for that matter

Minerva

another love song was rippin off the pixies...but then hansard would be the first to say that.
sean..that creed punter is no eddie vedder. but im sure he'd cream his bags if asked to sing with PJ...

in my opinion ****in nickelback,pod,creed,lost prophets all those ****s should be slaughtered at bovine university.
theyre all a big bag of b o l l o x !

thedrowner

i prefer the phrase bunch of arse
aw bandit id give u loads of hassle about lsagging paddy only i quite enjoyed what u said!

atonal

Originally posted by Minerva
another love song was rippin off the pixies...but then hansard would be the first to say that.


in my opinion ****in nickelback,pod,creed,lost prophets all those ****s should be slaughtered at bovine university.
theyre all a big bag of b o l l o x !

but the frames have moved so so far beyond "another love song". That is an unexptional album the rest i/m/o are fantatstic.

so true but they are not the worst of the worst they simply represent the triumph of mediocrity in the music world. Really its true as much as I hate those bands there are far worse (ok not POD they are bottomfeeders) Stapp makes my skin crawl but if you take him and those dreadful lyrics out musically Creed are OK and Nickleback are just boring.

anyway fair play to all the irish and other bands out there keeping things interesting despite the cruddy commercial stuff

Neil_B

No matter what people do in bands someone doesn't like. And I think that some Irish people (That's some not all) have a thing for putting down Irish bands. But hey that's life here if ya wanna play ya have to live with it.

Kurdt

another singer that's like vedder and stapp is yer man from crash test dummies...Brad Roberts...

mmm mmm mmm mmm

still vedder is better

Kurdt:knockedout:

bombidol

I actually like Lost Prophets and POD, dunno they both have a different kind of sound, prophets kind of have a lowfi tech sound behind the guitars and POD have a real laid back mellow rock thing going on.

Bomb

polarbelly

i must say i hate all that cack... pod, lost prophets, creed, nickelback

heres an interesting fact, nickelbacks song thats out at the mo is the biggest played usa hit (on radio) ever!

still sh*te though

metalish

THE REDNECK MANIFESTO!-THERE'RE A CLASS ACT!!!


BUT A DIFFERENT TOPIC NOW I THINK ONCE YOU'VE BOUGHT A BLINK 182 ALBUM YOU'VE HEARD THEM ALL.

matilda

there you go

oh! skyjack, I saw you at a gig a while back and nop

for me you don't have good songs - I'm sure you think you do

as most bands do!

anyway - best of luck with it. A lot of people make it without songs and at least you believe in what you are doing and you have flash gear -


mati

jonny

aww you po' po' people. even though it is, in my opinion the best station in dublin, there is a world....outside, of PHANTOM! theres so many great jazz, trad, singersongwriters, heavy bands that are not played and not advertised on phantom whom play in dublin and its really sad that you cannot see out of this box, matilda: sweeping statement me thinks, "all" of these bands in dublin, are not all of the bands in dublin. and stop whining, get over it. one final statement, i think, you sound like you don't know what your talking about fully when it comes to music, so skyjack etc: i wouldnt give that comment the steam off my piss if i were you:)

atonal

some people just enjoy being nasty I think

tony 2 tone

I saw Skyjack and Brando on Paddy's day.....and Skyjack wiped the floor with Brando, same ol' same ol' from Brando the best thing about them was the lolli-pops and it wsnt even them giving them out!!!!

Pigman

Yes that Irish scene is dead.

Lets face it , you can't really get a break or airplay in this country unless your a standard (boring) '3-4 piece rock band' with a bland voiced singer and clanging guitars.

Judging by the amount of crap appearing around town these days it's clear U2 have a lot to answer for but at least they (wrinkly old rockers that they are) have moved on. Pity the radio stations and venue bookers haven't!

The only alternative is this awful nu-folk (spearheaded by guys like David Kitt and Paddy Casey) and if I ever meet David Gray I will personally kill him for unleashing 10,000 protest singers onto this country!

atonal

UHG I hate this thread but I get so pissed

exactly what do you want? David Grey and David Kitt are quality if not to you taste fine but they dont define the entire music production of Ireland by any count. 4 piece guitar based bands is pretty much what rock is, within that there is alot of potential for variety. Criticizing a music scene for having rock bands with 4 members and guitars is like criticizing dancers for having feet (ill leave out the bland and clanging as that is subjective and innacurate)

here's what Dublin has.

Artists who make an effort to collaborate and work together. i/m/o a stunning amount of talent. A radiosation (Phantom) that at least makes an effort to play and promote local music, at least some local press. Several organizations dedicated to promotion local artists including Thumped, Gigsmart, etc (complain as you want about the bands in these organizations the fact that they exist is a good thing and they are not genre-specific), Granted there are shortcomings but at least there is awareness and an effort to make things better. There is always some monotony but within that there are plenty of gems.

There are enormous anti-creative forces in the music industry effecting music-scenes everywhere, Dublin at least seems to be taking a stand against that. NYC for example a city far larger than Dublin that acts as a talent magnet has a patetic level of participation in the music scene, crappy clubs with bad sounds and seemingly antagonistic booking policies and more bands influenced by Blink182 or the Indigo Girls than is bearable along with endless White Boy Blues bands - still there are quality artists if you look. LA, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, London, Manchester, Paris??? What is your example of somewhere that is better? You complain about what there is but you dont say what you want. Just because the music scene does not cater to your specific taste does not mean it is dead.

I see alot of music, I see alot of great bands toil away in obscurity while dreadful acts gain a huge draw, I also know that not every band can please everybody but dismissing an entire nations music production seems a bit short sighted The radioplay and booking will follow the fans - a music scene is as much about people getting out there and supporting the artists that they like as anything, good music is not going to find you it is your job to go out and seek what you like. Personally I am looking foward to making it back to Dublin this summer partly on the basis of music (family and friends etc also a draw)

and pigman after dismissing the entire dublin music scene I see you are posting in support of The Strokes and THe White Stripes - talk about bland voiced singers and dull clangy music ohh the wonders of nu-garage!

Pigman

Wow! Thanks for that little rant!

And just to clarify for you whilst I do detest Paddy Casey and his like I have nothing against 'generic' rock music that you champion so much. I am just annoyed that there is obviously a complete bias towards it when it comes to what gets played in the larger local venues in the Dublin area.

Hense as I go to gigs every week I am caught in an avalanche band after band trying to be the next Coldplay or the next David Gray or whatever college rock sh1te is selling at the moment.

Fair enough, the Strokes are complete retro rip-offs and White Stripes are nothing new either but AT LEAST they don’t sound exactly like everything else coming out of these island over the last few years and that’s exactly what I want the Irish scene to be about. Diverse music (retro or otherwise) should get a chance instead of 50% Starsailor clones, %50% Folk-Hero wannabe’s and nothing else for those of us who don't care.

scotsman

Hi ther Matilda


You've forgot about 'THE CRAYONZ' man!!

THE most original band it DUb-land

thedrowner

i quite liked the david gray and paddy casey albums, there were a few little gems on those albums.
i have to say i havent seen many people out there copying their act...im not saying theres not though, but none that i knwo of really

freakofnature

yes, turn can get boring. i have a quite diverse taste in rock music (if that makes sense) so i appreciate lots of bands from brando to skyjack to lostprophets. just i don't like creed and all that.