My NTL Cable Modem experience

WillieW

Hi folks...

I've been trying to post here a while now since I got the NTL Cable Modem on March 5th. It's been an education working out the problems that come with the yoke we all figured would make everything so much easier....

Firstly, I have to say that performance-wise, it's excellent. Not, as a certain speed-measuring site tells me, as fast as MOST high speed services world wide (it runs at about one-quarter speed by comparison), but fine and dandy for what I call "surfing for the slack jawed".

Trouble arises when one tries to do OTHER things. Like, for example, posting on a board like this one. More about that later.

I run a couple of Websites, and it was to alleviate my burgeoning Eircom phone bill that I signed up for the Modem. I'm in Tymon North, in Tallaght, and the service is, as we all know, being secretively expanded around here again.

Once online, I tried to upload files to a certain Webspace provider using their internal upload tool. It failed.

Also, to cut a long story short, posting on this type of bulletin board fails too. The reason is that the NTL folk use what's known as a "transparent proxy server" and these servers, both here and in the UK, have a fault. The Help people don't know about this, or I'll assume they don't, and they simply say it's the fault of the Website one is visiting.

Anyway, I now use an FTP program to fire the files up to the Website while updating and it works after a fashion. One must remember to use the Ctrl button, held down, and the Refresh key to force the poxy proxy cache to spit out the new page. Take it from one who's been there, it's no good using the ordinary Refresh button, you just get baffling old versions of the pages. NTL told me none of this, I had to trawl the Web for info on it.

How am I posting here? Well, I have to manually reset my Internet Connection to use a DIFFERENT proxy server, just so the board will accept my post. The automaticaly chosen proxy is faulty.

So, all you folk who, like me, looked forward to the advent of the Cable Modem service, please be advised that it isn't just "plug it in and do everything". I'm experiencing daily problems and have to rely on the patience of other Internet users to rescue me from the foibles of the NTL service. It's all ahead of youse!

ando

I'm sorry but I just cant feel sorry for you ... your paying a super low price for always on fast internet, ok maybe having a few probs here or there, but i'd still love to be in your situation than stuck on 200 euro bills and slow connections

With your problems, I'd say that the problem lies at your end, try netscape if your using ie ? THere's a few ntl cable users on this forum, but i've never heard them complain

WillieW

Yes I must sound like a whinger, but I've just spent the best part of a week hanging on telephone lines listening to canned music without receiving any actual help. (I should know better than to expect it on "Help" lines, I suppose). Coupled with that frustration was the disappointment that my much looked-forward to modem wasn't operating as well as I expected and the gloomy prospect of having to return to Dial-up if things didn't improve.

The fact that I *have*, as you say, an always-on connection *is* wonderful and the cloud of the huge telephone bills has been lifted -- it's really terrific to know that.

For an excellent site which discusses MANY of the things which cause irritation or lack of service to users of cable modems, take a look at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d.h.walker/cmtips.html

Lenny

Originally posted by ando
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With your problems, I'd say that the problem lies at your end, try netscape if your using ie ? THere's a few ntl cable users on this forum, but i've never heard them complain

No, he is correct, MiCr0, PHB and myself (probberly some others) have had problems posting to boards.ie within Linux/W2k, but you can post fine under W9x

ando

If I remember correctly, when Ntl were upgrading my area they were handing out leaflets to every house explaining exactly what you needed for the ntl cable modem system, and I specifically remember that windows 2000 was not supported, but 98/95/Nt was. NOw that was around a year ago, and could of changed by now for all I know !

What Operating system are you using willie? maybe that could be it? I'l be very supprised if Ntl are still not supporting windows 2000/XP

dahamsta

I realise that this has some bearing on IrelandOffline, but I feel it would be more at home in Nets/Comms. Moving.

Good, informative post though, thanks WillieW.

adam

MiCr0

i've had it since december and i've had no problems
i've got Win XP connected via usb to the cable modem
then that machine is connected to a hub to a w2k/linux machine.

no problems setting up internet sharing/firewalling
i've never had performance problems or any thing like it.

over all -- delighted

sceptre

Originally posted by ando
... I specifically remember that windows 2000 was not supported, but 98/95/Nt was. NOw that was around a year ago, and could of changed by now for all I know !

What Operating system are you using willie? maybe that could be it? I'l be very supprised if Ntl are still not supporting windows 2000/XP

IOL said summat to my brother about not supporting win2000 just before last Christmas ("oh, you're using windows two-thousssssand? Oh, we don't support that" (interpret, erm, what you will from that). Which was odd really since he'd heard that before from them... but that was in October 1999. Some things just never do change.

WillieW

I'm using Win 98 and Internet Explorer 6... Someone tells me having IE6 running with anything other than XP is a waste of time, but of course the Microsoft people list Win 9* as compatable.

The link I posted earlier explains many of the issues about which I was (and in many cases continue to be) ignorant concerning cable modem operation as it applies to the NTL network in particular. As to whether or not I'm "right" in what I say, I have no axe to grind with anyone: I'm just sharing my personal experience so that perhaps other people may be better informed. I sure as heck didn't imagine the last week of difficulties!!

I recommend that anyone wishing to get the cable modem should do a good search for resources dedicated to the subject and that he/she get educated in what to expect. That's what I plan to continue to do.

Thanks for your replies and insights.

[Once again having to connect to a proxy server before being allowed to post... *sigh*]

MiCr0

last weekened there seem to be some "issues" regarding some ppl using ntl and boards
i've found that specifiny inktomi1-dub.server.ntl.com:8080 as a proxy server works perfectly

//david/MiCr0

WillieW

Tesing on that proxy (which, I think is the proxy used anyway by NTL, according to some test thingy on the Net that poked around in the guts of my machine).... Will it post, or will it not...?

WillieW

Whoo-hoo...!

MiCr0

hth
MiCr0

Celt

test

WillieW

Hey MiCr0...

I can now upload files to my Webspace servers.... But my FTP programs don't work any more.

I shall soldier on....

mirv

test

mirv

When I first got cable (back in october 2000 or so) it was perfect, the transparent proxy thing only came in a few weeks ago.

Postable and working FTP here.

Solution for FTP

WillieW

Thanks mirv...

Those are exactly my settings too. Now, to be truthful I've not tested FTP today, so perhaps it is working.

One observation... I teach Adult learners how to switch on a computer and how to use the common applications. It's been necessary down the years for me to learn stuff like the subject we're discussing now just so the machine will work. Students, especially, have NO idea about the problems that can arise when a connection doesn't work or a new device isn't configured properly. The home user expects to buy a product which works 100%, first time every time.

Because I've been about a little bit, I know that's a lie. Nothing to do with computers is reliable, as fast as advertised, as useful as it says on the box. So why don't the folks like NTL train their Help staff properly for when something like a proxy server has to be setup? Protecting market share? Fear of bad publicity?

Personally I'd prefer to know that a home computer user can pick up the telephone and get USEFUL help (at whatever premium rate per minute). I imagine that the GOOD publicity of having the BEST help line would only increase market share.

Once again, I'm thankful to everyone who has offered advice and suggestions to me. I'm more comfortable (though still dissatisfied) with the use of the modem today than I was last week. I bought a car three years ago and it goes like a dream... with the exception that the passenger-side window rattles. I guess I'll just have to put up with the "rattle" in the modem the way I do with the one in the car.

mirv

The amount of training required for such a task, as simply 'making cable work' is horrendously large as the permuations tend towards infinity with the different set-ups people have on their computers.

For instance,

If I flick an option on my bios which looks pretty safe, my network card stops functioning.

I doubt that an ntl technical support lacky would suggest 'oh turn off PCI 2.1 delayed transaction' to fix a non-working cable modem setup.

mirv

Add this too into the exceptions box in the proxy settings.

192.168.* - so you can access your cable modem configuration site, well thats what my one is anyhow.

MiCr0

i don't think the terajet cable modem's have a config interface
or if they do i've never found it

WillieW

I'm reminded of that comedy character on TV...

"Today I am mostly being frustrated by my connection."

Please be patient if you've heard all of the following before now, but I'd be appreciative of your thoughts and feedback:

In the ongoing quest to make this machine work with its cable connection I find after installation of a program called Ad-aware from http://tomcoyote.com/lsindex.html that my Registry is infested with Spyware, which may be affecting my connectivity. Specifically I removed WebHancer, Cydoor and Gator, three beauties that record surfing habits and report them back in the name of "logging connection speeds". That's a fancy way of admitting they're just looking up the leg of your drawers.

WebHancer is a particularly well-rooted weed. If removed improperly its breaks your Internet connection permanently. Sour grapes or what? Ad-aware seems (and other opinions were sought before I believed it myself) to take it out safely.

My main query for you good folk today is "Why is my FTP program gone bust?" Basically it doesn't connect. And my old bugbear, the Eircomnet upload seems to get only a partial GIF at the other end when I use its internal uploader. Where is the other three quarters of my file gone? I'm still using the programs and settings I was using yesterday and the problem was a recurrent one in the days following my first installation of the modem. Pages of text and JPGs upload without effort today.

To barter for your knowledge, I present another couple of links I tripped over in the undergrowth. These have to do with spyware -- a useful subject to acquaint oneself with if, like me, you are incautious about file downloads... *LOL*

http://www.cexx.org/adware.htm leads to a frank and revealing site about who is mooching about on your computer while you aren't looking.

http://www.spychecker.com/ leads to a directory of freeware where you can ask in advance whether that program you're about to download is a potential problem. I'll be using it in future.

p

Hey,

Been having those same problems too.

If this posts then i've fixed them thanks to your help.

We really need a community forum for NTL Cable stuff.

*looks at admins*


- Kevin

mirv

Did you install ad-aware after you saw my ad-aware icon on the desktop or before?

yankinlk

format and reinstall

WillieW

Sorry, I failed "Hint" in my Leaving Cert. "Format and Reinstall" what?

Ad-aware I tripped over on an Internet Search. Tis a cool program.

MiCr0

Are there still users with outstanding NTL posting issues???
if so add
inktomi1-dub.server.ntl.com:8080 as a proxy server

should sort that out

gl
MiCr0

WillieW

As I mentioned earlier, I'm already on that proxy server, and problems persist! I'm poking about the Internet today to see what I can turn up on the subject and will post here later if I discover a cure for my particular probs.

MiCr0

any one having "issues" ftping at the moment from NTL?
i can't connect in/out via ftp

WillieW

Ditto. Since yesterday morning occasional sockets reached but no log-in procedure permitted, connection lost every time.

mirv

I can still login into my FTP accounts fine, I don't know where your problem is coming from.

Lucifer

i am still having problems posting on boards, and hotmail, and yahoo, using NTL's 56k dial up. using IE6 and Opera6, any ideas???

how do i add that proxy, and is that the same one for 56k???

thanks

WillieW

We ain't makin' it up...

This is what I get in SmartFTP v1.0 Build 966:

Connected to Proxy (inktomi1-dub.server.ntl.com) -> IP: 62.254.96.4 PORT: 8080.
Socket connected waiting for login sequence.

Than, after a wait of maybe half a minute:

Connection closed.

:mad:

MiCr0

Originally posted by Lucifer
i am still having problems posting on boards, and hotmail, and yahoo, using NTL's 56k dial up. using IE6 and Opera6, any ideas???

how do i add that proxy, and is that the same one for 56k???

thanks

its in tools - internet options - connections - web proxy
fill it in there

WillieW

WRITE DOWN YOUR CURRENT SETTINGS AS YOU FIND THEM, IN CASE YOU NEED TO SWITCH BACK TO THEM LATER! Then...

To add a proxy in Windows 98 click on Start + Settings + Control Panel + Internet Options...

Then click on Connections. Click on LAN Settings...

UNcheck the "Automatically Detect Settings" box and CHECK "Use a proxy server for your LAN"

Click on Advanced... and type the name of the proxy server in the "HTTP" field. The one advised by reading on the Web and by other users of this Forum is inktomi1-dub.server.ntl.com on Port 8080

Okay all the OKs and out you come.

Personally, I've found all manner of errors coming up now using the service. For example, I can't sign up for a Guestbook with Guestbook Depot, not that that's too important this minute (got another one some place else). Maybe we could have a section that lists "all the things I can't get into using my NTL Cable Modem". It might be a long thread.

MiCr0

did u try to contact their tech support dept?

WillieW

Whether the above is suitable for 56K Dial-up... The answer is "I don't know."

Lucifer

thanks for the help micro, will i have to set that up in opera aswell, and when i go into preferences in opera, and into proxy servers, it has HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, Gopher, and WAIS, do i put it into all, or what??? thanks again

MiCr0

gopher and wais are never used
http/s/ftp
try with them in - if they work - well and good
if not - remove them from each and see how it goes

//david

Lucifer

test

everything seems to be working better now, especially boards:)

thanks micro

MiCr0

i am teh win!

p

I requested that a Forum for this kind of stuff be set up.

If people think it's a good idea then go and say so. (:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46217


- Kevin

Difficult

I'd love to know what's causing all your problems, I live 5 minutes from willie w and no one i know around is having any problems, and the only problem iv'e had was posting to *this* board and was resolved after applying a static http proxy everything else works fine, ntl have there own news groups for techsupport for broadband users it might be worth your while posting your questions there and see can you get some more ideas

overall i'm delighted with the service,
I had to ring there tech support once it was at 3am one morning and luckliy enough i was transfered to wales tech support where the guy was not only willing to answer some win 2k questions also answered some FreeBSD questions. i think it's just the the tech support on the irish side that are a bit slow

WillieW

What's the URL of the NTL broadband newsgroup you mentioned? It would be good to go take a look there and see if similar snags have been reported by other users.

Personally, I'd also love to know what the problems are on this service and/or on this computer, if that is the cause of the difficulties.

Do you maintain a Website of any kind? If so, have you experienced any difficulty in uploading pages?

I've rung their tech support, and have been transferred to the UK where I received only incredulity about my particular problems. No mention of "proxy" anything was made, and I had to find out those albeit imperfect solutions by searching the Internet.

Difficult

just put in NTL in your newsreader and it will list all the ntl news groups

i usually watch ntl.discussion.boradband.cm

no problems uploading, as i said the only problem i had was with this board....all other boards worked fine.

My guess there's something wrong on your side and not ntl

WillieW

I'm not disagreeing with you, just asking:

If there was nothing wrong with NTL at your end, why did you have to make a manual adjustment to your LAN Settings in order to post on this type of board?

To my mind, that implies that the installation wasn't completed properly in the first place by the engineer, or that there's some setting in the NTL server that's not compatable with this type of board. If my guess is right, why isn't it compatable??? It's not as if this type of board is a new invention.

Also, if you have any insights into areas of my computer I should check for malfunction they'd be appreciated.

On the subject of the Newsgroup, I've never set up a News account before. I know the procedure in Outlook Express. Could you perhaps tell me the News server settings you use for your account so I can emulate your configuration?

Difficult

why the transparent proxy wasn't working with this board iv'e no idea as it was working with any other board.

512k connection for 25 euro a month am not complain

news.cable.ntlworld.com is the server i use.

the quickest way to solve your problem would be if u have another pc or another disk with an os on it.

if your having the same problem it's more than likley an ntl problem but as iv'e said i don't think it is.

maybe it's time for a format reinstall

WillieW

Thanks for the info. If I get time this week, I'll try switching the modem over to another computer and see what happens.

Unfortunately, the machine it's currently on is about three years younger than the optional one, which trundles along at a sedate pace at the best of times. I'm not sure if it'd be up to specs to accept the new dealy.

I'd just like to point out (as it seems to be forgotten from time to time in the thread) that I'm not alone in these problems. Other users complain of similar difficulties.

Could I ask, if a reader is experiencing probs with the modem, could you post them here, however trivial, and, of course, if you find a solution to an individual difficulty, please let us know how it was overcome? Thankee....

Difficult

pop me on a mail,
if u want i'll drop over to you and see what's going on.

atgate

Hey thanks for this thread.

I didn't even know I had a problem but over the last few weeks I remembered quite alot of "server hangups" and when I read the thread I realised why! The proxy setting did the trick for me.

Thanks again

atgate

WillieW

Thanks for the invitation, Difficult. I'll email you with my contact telephone number and maybe we can find out what is causing my particular puter probs.

If we do, I'll post the solutions on the board.

(Feck! Now I'm gonna have to make a list of everything that has a bug... Work!!!)