No offence, but Metal?!?

danbert

Oaky seriously what is with the resurrection of Metal?
I remember back in the day listenin' to Iron Maiden, Metalica, Mega deathy and the like when they were in there prime.
Then ther came a new fresh sound from the street called dance, [que the funky music], it blew everyone away no-one had ever heard anything like it and it was ours!
So is this Metl thing just a case of the youth of today having a poor imagination and not being able to come up with there own sound, or am I being to harsh on them?
Replys please.

P.S. This is not meant as an offensive piece to any of you who do happen to be Metal fan's, merely a serious question.

L8r!!!

Shred

It has it's really popular phases every few years and then it goes back under-ground for a couple of years
(where i think most die-hard metal fans prefer it, as you get more quality as oppossed to vast quantities of bands - a lot of which are ****e)

We are currently in a 'popular' phase:)

schrodinger

I cant stand the type of "metal" being released onto society today. I am a striclty old skool metal fan Metallica, Guns N' Roses, Megadeth, Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath, Anthrax, Alice In Chains and so forth. But this new Rap Rock is s@#t! I want to kill Linkin Park Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach and all the others who are destroying the good name of metal. Thank you this has been my two cents.

atonal

nu-metal is no metal at all

GoneShootin

Metal these days is not as it was in that past

id like to hear a change of the term Metal to, um, Brass. Its a metal, but one that is easily shaped and can conform to most shapes

leaving cert enginerring take note

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by danbert
Oaky seriously what is with the resurrection of Metal?
I remember back in the day listenin' to Iron Maiden, Metalica, Mega deathy and the like when they were in there prime.
Then ther came a new fresh sound from the street called dance, [que the funky music], it blew everyone away no-one had ever heard anything like it and it was ours!
So is this Metl thing just a case of the youth of today having a poor imagination and not being able to come up with there own sound, or am I being to harsh on them?
Replys please.

P.S. This is not meant as an offensive piece to any of you who do happen to be Metal fan's, merely a serious question.

I'm not quite sure what you mean exactly.

Are you saying that people should have stopped listening to Metal in the 80s?
And that Dance is the new thing in, so everyone must listen to it?

What are you trying to say exactly?
Because there are kids listening to Metal now that they must have poor imaginations?

I'm sorry, but if that's your arguement, its not a very good one.

Sure the kind of Metal that is popular today, bands like Slipknot and limp bizkit is complete rubbish, and most of what I listen to is underground. But listening to something simply because it's the in thing? That's what I call having poor imagination.

Robbo

That is the first time I've heard the Rolling Stones referred to as a metal band. Kudos.

NeRb666

People use the term "metal" too loosely these days. Limp bizkit, korn, all that crap has nothing to do with metal. It just gives a bad impression in the mainstream rock media about what metal is.

schrodinger

Originally posted by Robbo
That is the first time I've heard the Rolling Stones referred to as a metal band.

Well whatever although ur probably right. /me wonders why he put them in there.

EL_Diablo

Originally posted by danbert
Oaky seriously what is with the resurrection of Metal?
I remember back in the day listenin' to Iron Maiden, Metalica, Mega deathy and the like when they were in there prime.
Then ther came a new fresh sound from the street called dance, [que the funky music], it blew everyone away no-one had ever heard anything like it and it was ours!
So is this Metl thing just a case of the youth of today having a poor imagination and not being able to come up with there own sound, or am I being to harsh on them?
Replys please.

P.S. This is not meant as an offensive piece to any of you who do happen to be Metal fan's, merely a serious question.

L8r!!!

People who listen to metal have no imagination as opposed to people who listen to dance is what it looks like you are saying. So are you really talking about the dance that is out now?? Untz Untz Untz Untz over and over with the odd bit of some bloke saying the same few words a couple of times and a bit of keyboard if you're lucky. Seems like you need a lot more imagination to make a song with lyrics, Guitar, drums, bass, and whatever other instruments in the band than to bang your feet on a wall and call it music.

dccarm

Good argument El Diablo, but you realise this metal lark will never last. Just sweaty long haired men yelling into a microphone. I could do that. No imagination required!

Although if I knew anything at all about metal, I might be able to make a valid argument, but I don't so rather than spouting crap about it I'll just keep quiet. Your assessment of dance music is just plain ignorant and I'm sure everyone reading it will agree.

bombidol

You will find that most new metal isnt really called metal at all even by the musicians its called hardcore, for any of the old schoolers like me, its basically an evolved form of what Bodycount done in the early 90's which was then taken on by Rage against the machine, Then Korn came out with a new sound and just about every band thereafter was using a crossbreed sound of R>A>T>M and Korn.


Bomb

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

/me thwaps Schrodinger

you don't know good metal until you've listened to Blind Guardian, Iced Earth, or Demons & Wizards.

table breaking wussie!

Lemming

Originally posted by dccarm
Your assessment of dance music is just plain ignorant and I'm sure everyone reading it will agree.

Actually ,... speaking from a musician point of view (16 years Viola, 8 years Piano, 5 years guitar + 10 years of Orchestra), the skills difference required to make half-way decent rock or metal music and dance music is VERY large.

Dance music requires very little skill to make. As El_Diablo pointed out already, its just a base beat with a few lyrics and the odd 3 bars of keyboard music repeated (3 bars -> think roughly 12 different musical notes)

Granted .. we've all heard metal music that sounded as if someone was murdering a cat (they probably were but lets not go there ), but if you look at any decent stuff from a musical point of view .. it's actually quite complex and some of it conforms to classical music writing conventions, which needless to say, require a lot of skill to do.

ReefBreak

you don't know good metal until you've listened to Blind Guardian, Iced Earth, or Demons & Wizards.

Okay, any band that's called "Demons & Wizards" cannot be considered good.

bombidol

Ill say it again, Stand a musician from a metal band next to a musician from a rock/pop/etc band and 9 times out of ten the metal musician will blow the others away with pure skill on their instrument

Bomb

Shred

I remember back in the day listenin' to Iron Maiden, Metalica, Mega deathy and the like when they were in there prime. Then ther came a fresh sound from the street called dance

Em, I think dance was around a long time before some of the abovementioned bands... dance originated in the 70's as far as i'm concerned and it was/is actually pretty good - it also had 'real' musicians playing and writing the music, unlike today where 'dance artists' just steal from other musicians...I believe they call it sampling or something..... it begins with an 's' alright:D

Having played in various metal bands (and other styles since) over the years, I realise that it actually takes a lot of effort to actually write/play this kind of music - this is why metal musicians are respected throughout the world by other musicians...

I have no problem with people listening to dance music, I just get a little pissed off that they have the audacity to slag other music forms
:mad:

Rolo Tomasi

Lemming

Actually ,... speaking from a musician point of view (16 years Viola, 8 years Piano, 5 years guitar + 10 years of Orchestra), the skills difference required to make half-way decent rock or metal music and dance music is VERY large.
Dance music requires very little skill to make. As El_Diablo pointed out already, its just a base beat with a few lyrics and the odd 3 bars of keyboard music repeated (3 bars -> think roughly 12 different musical notes)

Granted .. we've all heard metal music that sounded as if someone was murdering a cat (they probably were but lets not go there ), but if you look at any decent stuff from a musical point of view .. it's actually quite complex and some of it conforms to classical music writing conventions, which needless to say, require a lot of skill to do.

What a short sighted view from someone who has so much experience in music. There are crap rock/nu metals bands, ie Linkin Park and Electronica bands, ie anything in the charts at the moment.
But dont condemn talented musicians such as Tool and Aphex Twin just because of the genre of music they play.

koneko

You've gotta be kidding me. Finally something is being played a lot, that isn't pop-junk or dance-sh1te and you complain? Whether it be metal (proper metal), or new (nu) metal. Either is better than the usual drivel we get. Really. Young people nowadays, no taste in music.

seamus

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41018#post368661

First bit of sense I've ever seen said on the entire subject.

Dr. Loon

Originally posted by bombidol
Ill say it again, Stand a musician from a metal band next to a musician from a rock/pop/etc band and 9 times out of ten the metal musician will blow the others away with pure skill on their instrument

Bomb

Bullshít... why do you think this, because most metal musicians can play extremely fast? If thats what you're thinkin' than you're a fool. Speed isn't what good musicianship is about. Diversity is what it's about. Also, how do you know this?
Rock and metal are pretty much along the same lines, but more often I've found rock musicians to be better... although I've heard some wicked metal musicians, in my meaning of metal I'm talkin about bands such as Metallica, Guns n' Roses, Iron Maiden etc...etc... all those three and there's more I could list of are a form of rock band... so your above statement means nothing.

As well as this I don't even consider pop to be a debatable or worthy form of music to give my thought to. So my comparison here is between rock and metal, and as I said they are very alike, sort of like a cat and a lion, they're both of the cat family.

Lemming

Originally posted by Rolo Tomasi
Lemming




What a short sighted view from someone who has so much experience in music. There are crap rock/nu metals bands, ie Linkin Park and Electronica bands, ie anything in the charts at the moment.
But dont condemn talented musicians such as Tool and Aphex Twin just because of the genre of music they play.

My apologies .. i meant to stick in an edit about some dance stuff being quite well done and technical .. but I got called away from my desk in work.

I agree .. there are some absolutely horrific metal / nu-metal bands out there. You'll get no argument from me on that one.

bombidol

Hold on, First of all i said nothing about Speed i said skill i also said 9 out of 10 times, so i left some space there for exceptions. I base what i say on the fact that i have been playing guitar and bass for about 10 years and have played in a band about 6 years.
Also let me make this point, Music Evolves, thats what its does, its spawns and moves and grows every day a person picks up a guitar or makes the choice to buy that first album, metal is not metal anymore metal was 10 years ago, metal was leather studded wristbands, mullets and satan tattoos, Now the metal is Hardcore the mullets replaced by bald heads the wrist bands replaced by 7 string guitars and satan tattoos covered up by skateboard logos.
If music didnt evolve we would still be listening to Elvis, and while there are worse things to listen to id rather be trying new things, So while you are listening to Megadeth and Iron maidan and other old school metal bands all the time, ill be listening to the new wave of bands and going back to the old stuff when i feel like it, I really do feel sorry for the people who label bands crap just because they might have some exposure.

BomB
:cool:

Dr. Loon

Of course music evolves, so do people that's why I don't listen to Megadeth or Metallica anymore, occasionally I would listen to GNR, Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots aside from that, anything "hardcore" today is a load of bóllox, I'm sick of a) weird fúckers ala linkin park playing shít, they are talentless, maybe some of the musicians are good, but their song-writing is up their arsé. Same goes to Limp bizkit, and then we have all these other fúckin goofy bands, like alien ant farm, and other bands that act stupid.... I can't even think of the names because they annoy me so much I switch them off before I see who they are!

This is of course my opinion, and you can like whatever shít you want, fair play to ye.

You left some space for exceptions??? 9 out of 10? Not much space there. Your comment was crap. 9 out of 10 metal players are definitely not better than most rock musicians, pop maybe...but as I said I'm not discussing pop. I've been playing drums and been interested in music for a long time myself, I know what I'm on about. IMO 10 out of 10 jazz musicians are always 10 times better than any other musician on the planet, usually because they have an understanding of all types of music. The we're not discussing jazz, either way metal musicians don't have a patch on 'em.

Ph3n0m

man, like the cleaning of a house, it never ends

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41018#post368661


a post I made somewhere else in time.....hell even a mod gave props to it

(does that mean I'm special?????)

lol

danbert

I didn't mean that people listening to metal have no imagination, merely that it seem's to me that they haven't gone out and found there own sound, its like they've just gone and found some of there big brothers records up in the attic and have started listening what we stopped listening too years ago.
I'm not argueing which is a better type of music, obviously enough thats a completely personal thing, what i was tryin' to say was more of a cultural thing, maybe that didn't come across in my original post,but thats what i was tryin' to say,
Surely the point of music is to develop and reflect upon that generations views, opinions and lifestyle.
Not to appear in cycles. And repeat and repeat and repeat etc.
You get what i'm tryin' to say?Its seems the arguement has descended into the realms of "My da is better than your da"
Any opinions?
Thanks for taking the time too answer and read this.
L8r!!

bombidol

Exacty Danbert, instead of trying to explain Why he just says its crap, i think any musician with a wide range of tastes can agree with me.

BomB

Ph3n0m

Originally posted by danbert
I didn't mean that people listening to metal have no imagination, merely that it seem's to me that they haven't gone out and found there own sound, its like they've just gone and found some of there big brothers records up in the attic and have started listening what we stopped listening too years ago.

wow, to me, if ever there was an insult to someone's preference of music, there it is. danbert , one question - if someone likes metal, heavy metal, dance or whatever - surely they HAVE found their own sound!?!?! your statement can be interpreted in many ways - but the way I initially read it was you were ridiculing anyone who, by chance, discovered heavy metal. granted that some people who listen to that particular type of music, probably did stumble across their dad's/brother's/sister's/mother's record collection - that hardly their fault. they could easily listen to it, then either say "yay" or "nay" - I hardly think they can be faulted for that.

just because you have stopped listening to "it" years ago, doesnt mean everyone else has too - if we all did that we would be nothing more then sheep

danbert

Good point.
But, does this not show a lack of imagination to go and find something new? I mean if all the great musicians of the past had just listened to what came b4, decide that they liked it and made more, surely music would never progress?
I agree everyone sould at some stage listen to everything appriciate it for what it is and yes, maybe even like it, and here comes another one, but shouldn't they then go out and build on what they've heard, whats gone b4 it and make something new?
Maybe should is too strong a word, but for the lack of a better word do ya get what i'm trying to say?
Thanks again for taking the time to read and reply to this.
L8r!!

Ph3n0m

Originally posted by danbert
Good point.
But, does this not show a lack of imagination to go and find something new? I mean if all the great musicians of the past had just listened to what came b4, decide that they liked it and made more, surely music would never progress?
I agree everyone sould at some stage listen to everything appriciate it for what it is and yes, maybe even like it, and here comes another one, but shouldn't they then go out and build on what they've heard, whats gone b4 it and make something new?
Maybe should is too strong a word, but for the lack of a better word do ya get what i'm trying to say?
Thanks again for taking the time to read and reply to this.
L8r!!

not really a lack of imagination.

ok lets look at an example or two, namely me

I go hooked on metal around 1988/89 - mainly cause a close friend of mine was playing a tape when I knocked into his house one day, I was simpyl curious - in fact it was Slayer's "Reign In Blood" - I got a copy of it, and listened, over and over again. I liked it, the music did reach to me, in the same ways I am sure jazz/classical reaches out to people to. So thats how it all started, it sorta snowballed. However as the 90's we coming to a close, I was disillusioned with what was coming out - yes I hate Limp Bizkit/Linkin Park, but that is not to say they are not good (someone, somewhere like them) - but not me.

i dont nessecarily believe that you should always build on whats already there - look at classical music - over 200 years old and still very popular (in fact I am very partial to it myself). I like classical, I like some dance, in fact I like a pretty diverse variety of music, but my favourite genre of music is heavy metal.

i am not saying that music should never progress, it always will - chuck berry/beatles -> led zepplin/black sabbath -> iron maiden/metallica -> and so on

bands like linkin park/limp bizkit, are simply re-hashing whats already done (granted there is a lot of different music styles that do this), but they making so much noise it is very hard to ignore them, but in saying that, they are here for now, and who knows what the future might hold.

what I dont agree with you is

"I agree everyone sould at some stage listen to everything appriciate it for what it is and yes, maybe even like it, and here comes another one, but shouldn't they then go out and build on what they've heard, whats gone b4 it and make something new"

I mean is this implied for fans of the music or the artists themselves (which is a slight contradiction, since most metal bands were/are fans at some point). If it is directed to listeners of the music, I can only offer a simple retort - why change an already good thing?

danbert

Don't listener as bands become the same thing?
I don't see the distinction between the two?

Ph3n0m

ok the last few lines off my last post were an inane contradiction, but you do see the point I am trying to make - do you?

Lemming

Originally posted by danbert
But, does this not show a lack of imagination to go and find something new? I mean if all the great musicians of the past had just listened to what came b4, decide that they liked it and made more, surely music would never progress?

Not a lack of imagination at all.

Firstly because the listener has found something that either appeals to them on an audible level or a more deeper, personal level. So to say they haven't gone out and found something new isn't fair. They've gone out and found "daddy's old records" or something, but they've found them, not been handed them and told to listen to them cause everyone else is.

Secondly, because most music, as most things in life, move in cycles. Granted .. there are exceptions (musically speaking) such as classical, although even within that "constant", there are cycles and evolution ie. baroque, romantic, etc.

Since we're on the topic of metal music, lets use that as our example of music cycles. Metal music was the IN thing back in the 1980s, then disappeared into the background. Now its back again. I'm pretty sure in about 5-10 years it'll fade away again, only to resurface in 2020 or something (music pundits take your bets ). If you follow my arguement?

Now .. all that said and done, from a musician point of view, the music will always evolve, if even on a subconsious level. With each new cycle of a particular music gaining new listeners (some of whom become musicians to that music), these musicians will add their own experiences and thoughts to it, thus evolving it. These changes might be subtle, or they might be radical, but they do occur.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Rolo Tomasi
Lemming
But dont condemn talented musicians such as Tool and Aphex Twin just because of the genre of music they play.

Frankly, I wouldn't insult Aphex Twin by calling it Dance.


And other than that, this is a completely pointless arguement.

There's things being done in Metal today that are by far more experimental and innovative than anything before.
It's not rehash, rehash, rehash.

Please, listen to a band like Opeth, and tell me that that's been done before.
Listen to Mayhem's new album and tell me you've heard something that sounds like that.
Listen to Borknagar's new album, and tell me that nothing is progressing.
Shall I go on?

This is a completely ridiculous arguement altogether.
The more I read this "Danbert"s posts, the more I see that it's an arguement based on what is popular at the time, and nothing more.

If it's not... Please tell me this "Something New" that you keep waffling about.

Tazz T

Makes me feel kinda warm inside seeing so many posts about Metal. Despite the row of old school versus nu, it's obvious that Metal is back big-time.

cournioni

Originally posted by dccarm
Just sweaty long haired men yelling into a microphone. I could do that. No imagination required!

I'd love to see a dj play Slayer's Reign in Blood on guitar or even bass for that matter!. And if you'd actually listen to metal you'd find that it isn't all screaming. In fact there isn't much screaming at all in some bands cases. Thats just something the media has put in your head.

Your assessment of dance music is just plain ignorant and I'm sure everyone reading it will agree.

I don't. I head out to some of those dance clubs up here as there ain't any metal ones to go to. Just to get pissed and laid of course. And I find that statement very valid indeed. Plus the fact that I could make out more lyrics from a metal song than those of a dance tune.

I'm sorry to say but I think your music is completely fake and there is no talent in it at all. (I know cos my cousin has one of those rave e-jay thingy's and I mixed a Soulfly song on it.) To be honest it was very easy and was done within a minute or two. And it sounded better than that crap you listen to.

Makaveli

I'd just like to point out that most of this nu-metal uses rap. I mean they have djs ffs and the so called vocalists dont sing they rap too. ****in Fred Durst thinks he's an emcee. The reason they use rap too is because it's probably the most popular music genre at the moment.
Old skool metal heads might think this nu-metal is an insult to older metal, this may be true I dunno, I dont listen to any metal tbh, I think this nu-metal is an insult to rap and hip-hop and it's ****e to boot.
IMO nu-metal is just a hybrid of 2 maybe 3 genres. It will fizzle out eventually (well hopefully anyway).

cournioni

Originally posted by Dr. Loon
Bullshít... why do you think this, because most metal musicians can play extremely fast? If thats what you're thinkin' than you're a fool. Speed isn't what good musicianship is about. Diversity is what it's about. Also, how do you know this?
Rock and metal are pretty much along the same lines, but more often I've found rock musicians to be better...

So your sayin that a musician from say... Oasis or Stereophonics would blow away Kerry King or Trey Azagototh on guitars?

Your saying that a person from Oasis or Stereophonics is better than Raymond Herrera or Dave Lombardo or any other metal drummer?

I'd say youre a fool if thats the case. I know because I play both instruments. And from my experience I'd say the same thing as he said.

Makaveli

Gotta agree with PornNapster there. All those crappy rock bands like oasis and sterophonics and travis and the like can basically just play the few chords of the songs they have, while I have seen metal guitarists go off in these mad riffs that are quite amazing.
Are Foo Fighters rock or metal?

cournioni

Originally posted by Makaveli
Are Foo Fighters rock or metal?

I'd say somewhere in between.

Dr. Loon

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER

So your sayin that a musician from say... Oasis or Stereophonics would blow away Kerry King or Trey Azagototh on guitars?

Your saying that a person from Oasis or Stereophonics is better than Raymond Herrera or Dave Lombardo or any other metal drummer?

I'd say youre a fool if thats the case. I know because I play both instruments. And from my experience I'd say the same thing as he said.

No, not at all. Oasis and Stereophonics are complete bóllox. You'd be surprised Pornapster but I'd agree on alot of things. However, what's your definition of "better"
I'm a drummer, I don't go for speed, I go for precision and skill and dynamics... thumpin double bass drum at rediculous speeds is not good drummin, it's just fast. I see a very thin line between proper rock musicians and metal, in fact there's almost no line. My influences would be Lars Ulrich, Dave Abruzzesse, Ronnie Tutt, Lenny White, Mike Bordin and Steve Adler, and then to lesser extents heavier drummers, I don't know all their names, but I took ideas and was also influenced by Sepultura, Soundgarden, Pantera, Slayer and alot of other heavy metal bands. So what does that tell you?

I'm not talking pop shít like Oasis or Stereophonics, I'm talkin proper rock. It's about diversity, not speed, and almost 90% of drummers that I've seen/met on the Dublin scene are not diverse. I'd like to hear you play, it'd be interesting.

So, I don't listen to the heavier bands anymore but my influences are diverse, therefore my style is diverse. For example, I would prefer Dave Abruzzesse's stlye of drumming over Lars Ulrich, and I would consider him a far superior drummer, but... they are different styles. One is grunge/rock, and one is metal. I suppose in the end it's whatever your opinion of skill is. 9 out of 10* heavy metal drummers and guitarists/bass players are speed players, I don't consider this skillful, I consider it fast! but then that's often the idea of metal isn't it?



*not a fact, just what I reckon

Rolo Tomasi

Originally posted by AngelWhore


Frankly, I wouldn't insult Aphex Twin by calling it Dance.


And other than that, this is a completely pointless arguement.

There's things being done in Metal today that are by far more experimental and innovative than anything before.
It's not rehash, rehash, rehash.

Please, listen to a band like Opeth, and tell me that that's been done before.
Listen to Mayhem's new album and tell me you've heard something that sounds like that.
Listen to Borknagar's new album, and tell me that nothing is progressing.
Shall I go on?

This is a completely ridiculous arguement altogether.
The more I read this "Danbert"s posts, the more I see that it's an arguement based on what is popular at the time, and nothing more.

If it's not... Please tell me this "Something New" that you keep waffling about.

Point 1.Where in my post did I refer to Aphex Twin as Dance? Making stuff up for the sake of a post?

Second Point: How is this a pointless arguement? This debate had almost been dragged down to the level of a slagging match based on "my music requires way more talent and skill than yours."

If you you truely like music then you will identify with certain aspects of all music. If you refuse to listen to other genres then your an idiot.

Cheez

Dr. Loon if you like the sweet style of dave abruseething
and Lars Ulrichs heavyness u'd probably apreciate
TooLs drummer Danny Carey
Check out the drum solo in the song "46&2" tis
amazin sir amazin

Thats a bit harsh callin people idiots for not listenin ta
musics various flavours they can do what they want
doesnt mean their dum

Dr. Loon

Originally posted by Cheez
Dr. Loon if you like the sweet style of dave abruseething
and Lars Ulrichs heavyness u'd probably apreciate
TooLs drummer Danny Carey
Check out the drum solo in the song "46&2" tis
amazin sir amazin

Thats a bit harsh callin people idiots for not listenin ta
musics various flavours they can do what they want
doesnt mean their dum

Oh I have checked him out, but I'm not big into the band, so that makes it difficult to listen to. I can appreciate his skill and precision, and it's a nice change for thei style of music.
I don't mean that people are idiots for not listening to something... if I made it out that way then I was probably just being hasty.
However if a musician wants to take themselves and their music seriously then yes, they should venture and experiment with al types of music regardless of what music they want to play. I mean, obviously that's gonna be your speciality, but to have knowledge and skill in different genres, gives you so much more ability in your chosen genre.

cournioni

Originally posted by Dr. Loon
I don't know all their names, but I took ideas and was also influenced by Sepultura, Soundgarden, Pantera, Slayer and alot of other heavy metal bands. So what does that tell you?
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It tells me you should listen to Ray Herrera (Fear Factory) and Pete Sandoval (Morbid Angel). Yes they may play at rediculous speeds but theres alot of precision from both of them.#

You really should check em out. Another good one is Richard Christy from Iced Earth.

Karl Hungus

Hehe...

Pornapster.

What about Hellhammer?

He plays with about 50 different bands, goes on tour with a load of Jazz bands and everything.
Was also in the Guinness Book of World records at some stage.
And he's a master of just about every style of drumming there is.

I'd like to see ANY drummer from ANY form of music try and touch what he does.

][Spoof Jesus][

metal is getting increasingly bad i must admit...Metallica just wrent downhill in 1990...I like a lot of various kinds of music...the only things i see inproving is Tool and some hardcore bands like Pulkas and Vision of Disorder...most of the other stuff is getting worse and worse...

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by ][Spoof Jesus][
metal is getting increasingly bad i must admit...Metallica just wrent downhill in 1990...I like a lot of various kinds of music...the only things i see inproving is Tool and some hardcore bands like Pulkas and Vision of Disorder...most of the other stuff is getting worse and worse...

Most underground stuff is doing amazing things.
Just because all you see is the rubbish that MTV is blowing out of its nose, doesn't mean that's all there is to it.

Dr. Loon

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Hehe...

Pornapster.

What about Hellhammer?

He plays with about 50 different bands, goes on tour with a load of Jazz bands and everything.
Was also in the Guinness Book of World records at some stage.
And he's a master of just about every style of drumming there is.

I'd like to see ANY drummer from ANY form of music try and touch what he does.

Well then listen to ANY decent jazz drummer. Lenny White for example is amazing, and unbelievably fast... or Billy Cobham. I'll try and get some Hellhammer, and check it out. I'll tell you what I think...

Shiminay

Speaking of Drumers - Jimmy Chamberlain - 'nuff said.

Jazz trained. Watch him play - it's all in the wrists - very little upper arm movement. Speed, skill, precision - NYOM.

Anyway, here's my thoughts on te whole thing...

I listn to ALL sorts of music (with the exceptions of country and western as I find it makes me want to kill).

I love all sorts of music (from Metal to Classical, to Dance to Trad). If I hear a song I like, that's it - I like it. I care not for it's genre - why do people get so caught up in genres?

Listen to it. If you like it, try listening to some similar stuff.

That's it! That's the secret to enjoying music people - it's that easy

bombidol

Im kinda lika that, if its a decent tune then maybe itll get a second listen, but everyone has a different idea of what a decent tune sounds like, and the last thing you want to end up like is some teeny bopper gimp, who listens to "Any Thing Thats Good" personally i only listen to one or two genres of music and thats it , if i hear a decent tune thats out of the type of stuff i listen to well then ill just say its decent for the type of music it is.


BomB