College Fees

Mixie

Wasn't exactly sure on which forum to post.

I was just wondering if someone could confirm for a friend that with free fees initive, assuming you meet the requirements, you don't pay course fees?
Now, AFAIR, if you decided to drop out before a certain date, if you applied to a new course next year, your first year fees would be paid again, but if you left after that date, you would have to pay first year fees in any new course, but from 2nd year on, your fees would be paid? That said, what if you re-registered for the 2nd term but drop out? If you apply to a new course next year, are your first years fees paid? Is there any way around this?

Thanks.

seamus

Afaik, the free fees applies to 4 separate years in college. Ie, it'll pay for one occurrence of each year only. If you drop out in first year, you have to pay for another ocurrence of first year, but the other years are still paid for. If you drop out/repeat second year, you have to pay for second year again yourself, but 3rd and 4th year fees are still intact. If your course is shorter than 4 years, tough. I'm not sure what the story is with courses > 4 years. And that's all afaik. 80p prolly knows it all

Mixie

Thanks for the quick reply Seamus

chernobyl

What fees?
How much are they?

b20uvkft6m5xwg

Your both right there...

As Mixie said if you stop doing a course or a year(ie. 2nd) before a certain date and defer that course or year or reapply to a new course, your free fees for that year are intact. However if you go beyond a certain date- I think its in late October then you lose your free fees entitlement for that year and have to pay the fees in full the follwing year. NUI & Trinity fees are betw. £1500-£2500 on average.

BTW, Seamus its not necessarily 4 years, its however long your "Undergraduate" course is. ie- 3 years for Arts or 5 years Physiotherapy for instance:)

Ask Mr Opium

What about this situation.

You apply for a 2 year degree, completely do one year and fail and are reapplying for a new degree?

b20uvkft6m5xwg

AFAIK it only applies to your first primary degree, and becuase you would have been considered as failing(completing in essence) yourfirst pimary degree, you would not be able to claim free fees again. Contact the institution in question though for full clarification.

However, if you are older than 23 or will be 23 when the next college term starts you are entitled to apply to any 3rd level course and college with a FULL FEES entitlement. Worth bearing in mind:)

seamus

Originally posted by 80project
However, if you are older than 23 or will be 23 when the next college term starts you are entitled to apply to any 3rd level course and college with a FULL FEES entitlement. Worth bearing in mind:)

This only applies to over 23's with no previous degree I assume. I can't finish this degree and then go get me an arts degree for free too?

b20uvkft6m5xwg

You can indeed

Its a most underutilised concession. A friend of my sisters did Law in UCD and then went and did a commerce degree for free.

seamus

OMFG, I think then I shall sponge the system. Finish my degree at 22, work for a year, then go back and do a 2 year degree in something easy. Yuss!:D

chernobyl

I had a friend in college doing a degree, but he dropped out in like march, never did the exams, but he re-applied for a different course, but only had pay the normal admission fee of £3xx.

so whats up?

b20uvkft6m5xwg

Dunno

I know for certain a mate of mine who was doing commerce & french who dropped out in in January of 1st year and then reapplied to do Law had to pay his 1st year fees again.

What University is this you are reffering to Chernobyl??
It may have different regulations- Anything above AFAIK applies for the NUI's and Trinity at least:)

chernobyl

Oh right, this guy was in WIT and reapplied for another course in WIT, but no extra fees.

So the IT's are governed by different regualtions?

b20uvkft6m5xwg

I assume so?

Mixie

She didn't attend the course after the date (fee cutoff), but re-registered recently. She still hasn't attended a class since that date - if she could prove that somehow would it change anything?

seamus

Some Universities are nice about things like that, others won't let you away with anything. Even if she did prove she never attended, they might argue that costs were incurred in keeping a place for her in lectures/tutorials/practicals etc, so tough really, but you'd never know unless you asked.

Ask Mr Opium

When would this €1800 need to be presented, on admissions day or later in the year?

leeroybrown

I hope I never find out!

But, I'd presume you'd have to produce proof of payment of fees for the year on registration in the same way as the rest of us pay Non-tuition fees and levies.

scojones

how much is it to repeat a year, roughly?

plumlover

what would the deal be if you started 1st yr but dropped out before you sat any exams?like november? Would you even have to pay for half a year when starting a new course in first yr again? I'm almost sure you don't have to pay for a whole yr.

ta!:)

Early november - possibly you'd get full fees still. Did you drop out officially or just not turn up anymore? If the latter you'll run into trouble. Contact your previous college and where you're looking to go.

plumlover

I dropped out officially. I will contact both and ask! Cheers!

Oh and just for anyone who didn't know, your fees are tax refundable so get your folks to claim back your tax!

WaldenByThoreua

Could somebody answer this one!

I'm starting RCSI on 29th and have just sent away for one recheck. If it is upgraded Ill be going to Trinity. If I drop out of RCSI in mid October will I be liable for fees from Trinity as Ive changed college?

No you wouldn't be liable for fees if you paid them before, although any fees that Trinity require you to pay (Sports Hall levy etc) you will have to pay. Besides, Trinity doesn't start 'til October!

WaldenByThoreua

Thanks! By fees you mean registration? So I'd just get my registration back from RCSI and pay the Trinity registration?


ps Im and idiot, its just that I can learn stuff off so bear with me!

Nope, the colleges would sort it out I think.

WaldenByThoreua

Thanks!

Steve Thomas

some more detail please

Ventura

I was in a smilar position this time last year. I just missed my first choise course so i decided to appeal some of my exams. In the meantime i started another course in ucc. Anyway i was upgraded in two subjects and then had more than enough points for my first choise at rcsi. I immediatly dropped out of ucc after the upgrades came out[2nd week of october]. Although i was offered a place i was told i couldn't start until the following year, even though both the rcsi and trinners academic years don't begin until october. I can only imagine getting into a course after an upgrade depends if someone drops out to make space before core modules are missed.
With regards to the college entry fees, i only got half of the registration fee back from ucc while the capitation fee was deemed non refundable :mad:. This policy may be 'unique' to ucc, i don't know.

Michael Collins

Noelle Green Clown wrote: »

You can indeed

Its a most underutilised concession. A friend of my sisters did Law in UCD and then went and did a commerce degree for free.

Are you sure about this one? I would have thought like seamus - after your first free degree that's it, you pay full EU fees from then on? Have you a link to any information on this one?

Cheers

WaldenByThoreua

Ventura wrote: »

With regards to the college entry fees, i only got half of the registration fee back from ucc while the capitation fee was deemed non refundable :mad:. This policy may be 'unique' to ucc, i don't know.

What the capitation fee? You dont have to pay fees this year do you because you've previously attended uni?

Ventura

limerickmunster wrote: »

What the capitation fee? You dont have to pay fees this year do you because you've previously attended uni?

No if you dropout early enough you don't. The two fees i referred to[ reg and capitation]are what you pay entering college. With ucc you pay on the first day. Its basically the 1508euro you paid for surgeons already. As i said earlier i can only comment with regards to ucc but i think last year it was something like 960euro-820 of which was the reg fee while the remaining 140 comprised of the capitation fee. Its just basically a breakdown of the total figure you pay, tuition fees are different.

WaldenByThoreua

Ventura wrote: »

No if you dropout early enough you don't. The two fees i referred to[ reg and capitation]are what you pay entering college. With ucc you pay on the first day. Its basically the 1508euro you paid for surgeons already. As i said earlier i can only comment with regards to ucc but i think last year it was something like 960euro-820 of which was the reg fee while the remaining 140 comprised of the capitation fee. Its just basically a breakdown of the total figure you pay, tuition fees are different.

cool, thanks!

helbelz

hi mixie if you have dropped out of first year or any yr and decide you want to go back and repeat the year you are looking at paying 4 to 4 abd a half thousand euro. the government will only pay for anyone to study the year once. i was planning on dropping out of first year science and have missed all the christmas exams in doin so but my mam is certain that if i drop out i have to pay 4000e next yr so i might have to resit the exams iin the summer instead!

wellboss

Michael Collins wrote: »

Are you sure about this one? I would have thought like seamus - after your first free degree that's it, you pay full EU fees from then on? Have you a link to any information on this one?

Cheers

Yeah I was under the impression that if you go back to do a second degree even as a mature student you have to pay full fees, can anybody clarify this?

Also does anybody know how much the mature student grant is. I am really considering going back to college but face the costs of nearly €40,000 over the 4 years. What sort of financial help is out there?

I know the CAO deadline was today but is it possible to apply as a mature student later into the year?

If anybody has any advice or can send me in the right direction oforthis information i would really appreciate it.

wellboss

wellboss wrote: »

Yeah I was under the impression that if you go back to do a second degree even as a mature student you have to pay full fees, can anybody clarify this?

If you've a degree and are going back to do another qualification at that level you've to pay for it, regardless whether you're a mature student or not. You also can't get a grant if you are going back for another qualification, or even tax relief on the fees.

Also does anybody know how much the mature student grant is. I am really considering going back to college but face the costs of nearly €40,000 over the 4 years. What sort of financial help is out there?

It's the higher (non-adjacent) rate of the grant for everyone, so up to around €3000 per annum, with the possibility of the top-up grant on top of that.

I know the CAO deadline was today but is it possible to apply as a mature student later into the year?

If anybody has any advice or can send me in the right direction oforthis information i would really appreciate it.

Possibly - but it will depend if there's a free place really and the college is happy with you applying now. The only answer I can give is 'more than likely not'. But there's only one way to find out.

Mockatron

The deadline was on May 1st but the CAo will accept applications up to the 1st May.

I'm in my first year in DCU and I hate my course. I'm pretty sure I failed 2/4 of my Semester 1 exams. What I'm wondering now is if i fill out another CAO form do I have to pay full fees in college next year or will it be the same as it was this year.

And also, if I want to apply again do I have to offically drop out of first year?

Cheers

plstudent

Let's say that you studied a degree in, for example, Germany and you want to take a second degree in Ireland. Do you have to pay for your degree in Ireland (actually your second degree, but first in Ireland)?

challengemaster

plstudent wrote: »

Let's say that you studied a degree in, for example, Germany and you want to take a second degree in Ireland. Do you have to pay for your degree in Ireland (actually your second degree, but first in Ireland)?

Yes you would have to pay

Course requirements

You must also fulfil all of the following 3 course requirements:

• You must be undertaking a full-time undergraduate course of at least 2 years' duration (or certain shorter courses in institutes of technology).
• You must be a first-time full-time undergraduate. However, students who already hold a Level 6 or a Level 7 qualification and are progressing to a Level 8 qualification on the National Framework of Qualifications without having received an exemption from the normal duration of the course may be deemed eligible for free fees. Also, you may be eligible for Free Fees, if you attend a course but did not complete it and are returning following a break of at least five years to pursue an approved course at the same level.
• In general, you must not be repeating the year because of failing your exams or changing course. This requirement may be waived if you repeat a year due to certified serious illness.

plstudent

challengemaster wrote: »

Yes you would have to pay

It's not clear from that text if only studies in Ireland are referred or anywhere.