Grand Theft Auto 3

Yo Mamma

I just got grand theft auto 3, i'm just curious where all you are in the game, or have any secrets/tips. I'm on the "Turismo" mission when u have the street race with the 3 other cars. I lost once, i'm about to try again in a minute.

Awpie

Shane here. Some mong left himself logged in. How's everything going?

Yo momma, try getting the banshee car. Féck i cant remember what the name of the place but its near 8-balls. (the d00d who rigs up ur car with a bomb). U shud see a building with tinted glass. Drive a car thro one of the windows and the banshee car shud b there. Use this to do the mission and it shud be a breeze.

EL_Diablo

You don't have to do that mission. if you want to do it go ahead but if you just want to advance in the game just keep doin the jobs you get from Salvatore, Tony, Luigi and Joey. I started playin yesterday and i'm on the bit where they fixed the bridge and i'm in Staunton island (the part you work in after portland.)
And btw read all your pager msgs coz you get an important one on your last job in portland.
:cool:

Celt

I think im 85% through it.

Stephen

I'm on the mission where you have to waste the triad leaders, and am having some difficulty with it... I usually can kill 2 of the three easily enough and then end up getting killed by the last one and his men.

i think this one is one of the last missions on portland.

bubbles

I'm on the mission on the 3rd Island where Maria has just been kidnapped, and I have to go and drop off the ransom, but the evil baddy bitch took the money, and flew off in a helicopter with Maria.

So, I have to chace the helicopter which lands on a building joined to the damn, ram 3 ****ing mexican roadblocks and fight about 15 of the bastards at the damn

To make it fun you have no super weapons, as you had to leave them behind.

Lovely

Btw, once you get to Island 2, the Banshee car is common as muck! Get yourselves something classy... like a tank

Samson

Anyone know when this is due out on the PC ?

.ak

Samson: GTA3 isn't coming out on PC I'm afraid.

I've finished GTA3... Possibly the best game I've ever played. The first GTA was my favorite until now, GTA2 was ****e. GTA3 is a 3d GTA1... It's absolutely amazing, with endless hours of fun.. Even if you have finished /every/ little thing in the game.

There's loads of fun secrets and tips.. Just look around! Oh, and check GTA3 secret sites.. /Not/ cheats, secret sites.. Because there's some hidden secrets in the game you'll never find otherwise.. And all the secrets are damn fun.

-Dark-Angel-

kaimera

Orininally posted by Dark-Angel
GTA3 isn't coming out on PC I'm afraid.

Bollix.
Are you sure?

cos when I first heard about GTA3 it was coming out for the PC..:(

Dont be at yourself

I'm somewhere on Staunton Island, mostly just driving around trying to max my wanted level, its quite fun

Celt

Originally posted by Dark-Angel
Samson: GTA3 isn't coming out on PC I'm afraid.

I love your information sources :rolleyes:
Expected around april 2002 last I heard, although it's probably slipped again.

Celt

Take 2 Interactive today announced that the PC version of the hit PlayStation 2 game Grand Theft Auto 3 will ship for PC during April of 2002.

Shinji, still April?

NeRb666

Originally posted by NekkidBibleMan
I'm somewhere on Staunton Island, mostly just driving around trying to max my wanted level, its quite fun

You can't get the full 6 stars until you're on the 3rd island.
The cheat to increase wanted level is: R2 R2 L1 R2 L R L R L R L R

Omfg and there i was nailing cops, old ladies, gay ppl,swat teams left right and centre tring to increase my wanted level. oauhwe;ohrtaoweth;waeiht;ohawet; hjawet

ta for the cheat.(i dont have a memory card so im having fun with the cheats:()

phreak

There's loads of fun secrets and tips.. Just look around! Oh, and check GTA3 secret sites.. /Not/ cheats, secret sites.. Because there's some hidden secrets in the game you'll never find otherwise.. And all the secrets are damn fun.

can you give us some urls please?

i finished the game the other day and i'm looking for something else to do!

Shinji

Shinji, still April?

Rockstar say it doesn't exist, Take 2 say April, DMA say they don't know anything about it.

*shrug*

I can't honestly see a PC version being much cop anyway, but I guess for those who don't want to shell out for a PS2 (fools!)...

It's probably in the works, but by a totally different studio. Wouldn't be shocked if it's a quick'n'dirty port that the original team have no input in...

DeadBankClerk

Originally posted by Shinji
it's a quick'n'dirty port

mmmmmmmmm

Celt

Originally posted by Shinji


Rockstar say it doesn't exist, Take 2 say April, DMA say they don't know anything about it.

*shrug*

I can't honestly see a PC version being much cop anyway, but I guess for those who don't want to shell out for a PS2 (fools!)...

It's probably in the works, but by a totally different studio. Wouldn't be shocked if it's a quick'n'dirty port that the original team have no input in...

The engine is very easy to build peds/cars/buildings for, that's why im interested in the pc version

Trev

I'm on the third island, doing missions for people on the second island. I wont give you a full run down of the mission im on cos I dont want to spoil it for people when they get there.
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A good way to do the race mission is to use a police car, put the siren on and other cars get out the way.

Lyconix

Originally posted by Shinji

I can't honestly see a PC version being much cop anyway, but I guess for those who don't want to shell out for a PS2 (fools!)...

FACT: The PS2 version of GTA3 runs at a 'solid 30 frames per second' - now that might be good, but I'm sure a PC could easily manage more. I'm used to ultra-smooth framerates (I've got a fairly decent PC) and when I played GTA3 on my friends PS2, I thought it had some great gameplay but it seemed a bit jerky in places. Thats one reason the PC version would be an improvement on the PS2 version... and I'm pretty confident that a PC version will come.

Shinji

I'm sure a PC could easily manage more

Do you actually have any concept whatsoever how the hardware or software in a PS2 or PC operates?

While it's entirely plausible that a PC version would be smoother, the mind boggles at you presenting this as a statement of fact.

amp

"I'm sure a PC could easily manage more"

As a statement of fact it is entirely correct. A pc could manage more given the right spec.

Lyconix

Originally posted by Shinji


Do you actually have any concept whatsoever how the hardware or software in a PS2 or PC operates?

While it's entirely plausible that a PC version would be smoother, the mind boggles at you presenting this as a statement of fact.

Yes I do have a concept... I'm sure the difference in technical specification and a modern PC is common knowledge here so I didn't feel it necessarily to spend a whole message explaining it when all I wanted to get across was my opinion.

I COULD quote the exact spec of the PS2 and draw up some complex comparisons to the average modern day gaming PC (with several equations to compensate for the Reduced Instruction Set nature of the PS2 processor) but I don't think I'll bother.

Put simply, the modern PC (built for gaming of course) has passed out the PS2 in terms of speed by far, and I wouldn't settle for 30 frames per second at the moment in ANY game. Its a matter of perspective I guess... but I consider that a pretty low framerate in comparison to what you can get from a good PC nowadays.

Shinji

I COULD quote the exact spec of the PS2 and draw up some complex comparisons to the average modern day gaming PC (with several equations to compensate for the Reduced Instruction Set nature of the PS2 processor) but I don't think I'll bother.

I very much doubt that you could, although you're playing a convincing game of amateur Buzzword Bingo in that paragraph.

There's no way in hell a modern PC could handle a port of GTA3 without it being chopped down. The game is designed very tightly around the core of the PS2, and as such plays to the advantages of the system - which, if you knew what you were talking about, are very different to the advantages of a PC system. The PC is good at low-poly environments with hi-res textures; the PS2 is good at high-poly environments with low-res textures and very unusual texture management to allow for the memory pipeline differences. Never mind stuff like elements of the lighting and the blur effects which a PC would have a heart attack over...

I'm not saying that a port isn't possible but to glibly throw about some idea that the spec of the PC makes it simple to move a game this complex over is simply ludicrous.

EvilGeorge

Let me see now, lets consider the fact that console technology is behind that of the current PC.

Any console out there can be emulated on a PC.

Any 3d game can have the res adjusted and be played at a res that can uperseed that of a consule , you just need a good machine.

Take mine, 1333mhz (athlon) with a Geforce 2 GTS, **** man I can play open GL on Unreal in software mode what does that tell you ?

Playstation technology (from what I remember of the PS1) is based on RISC, think of it like the old Amiga, and that stuff is not upgradeable, so if your a PS2 owner, any PC owner can upgrade and leave you behind.

Still its a handy piece of kit for just plug it in and play the thing!

Swifty

Originally posted by EvilGeorge


Take mine, 1333mhz (athlon) with a Geforce 2 GTS, **** man I can play open GL on Unreal in software mode what does that tell you ?

That tells me that you are totally insane.

Lyconix

Originally posted by Shinji
The PC is good at low-poly environments with hi-res textures; the PS2 is good at high-poly environments with low-res textures

Now theres a generalisation if ever there was one

Originally posted by Shinji
There's no way in hell a modern PC could handle a port of GTA3 without it being chopped down.

You're saying an AMD Athlon XP 1900+, with a GeForce3 Titanium 500 64MB DDR and 512MB DDR RAM couldn't do any better than the PS2? I would tend to disagree.

Uphamizer

I own boath a PS2 and a PC.
and the PS2 tends to run 'alot' smoother than the pc, if you want GTA3 that bad why don't you fork out a few quid for a PS2 259 quid at most (not sure in Euro) I got my PS2 for christmas and I am not planning on buying another console for a while. If you don't own a PS2 and a copy of GTA3 your silly

Shinji

Now theres a generalisation if ever there was one

Of course, although it does hold true for the most part. If you look at any title on PS2 that's doing seriously impressive stuff - ICO, MGS2 and GTA3 all spring to mind - it's doing it by throwing around polys with gay abandon while skimping on textures, or at the very least doing deeply clever stuff with its texture pipeline which you NEVER see on the PC. You simply can't do this on a PC; high polygon environments are a total pain, so PC devs get around the problem by dropping really nice textures on everything.

The exception to this is Final Fantasy X, which although it's doing stunning high-poly work, relies mostly on streaming video sections merged with 3D for its effects. That's something else you can't do on a PC, incidentally, because you don't have a guaranteed throughput rate.

Another thing suddenly springs to mind - how on earth would the PC cope with GTA3s radio stations, eh? You won't fit that lot on a CDROM, or at least not without compressing it in very nasty ways.

The high-end PC is fundamentally a more powerful system than the PS2, but the PS2 works in such a radically different way that porting is NOT simple or even always possible. Besides, you can't code for a high end PC these days - you have to consider Geforce2 MX on a P600 or so as the base spec, or you don't sell any units.

You're saying an AMD Athlon XP 1900+, with a GeForce3 Titanium 500 64MB DDR and 512MB DDR RAM couldn't do any better than the PS2?

It's still got a slower pipeline, no vector units, a totally different architecture and no guaranteed data throughput.

That system could render a more impressive world than the PS2 could. But that doesn't mean that it could render the same worlds that the PS2 can.

amp

So kids, in simple terms, because the PS2 is a fixed platform a game can be written to use it's full power. Whereas a PC game has to have something of the lowest common denominator about it or at least be flexible enough to run on a variety of specs.

This explains why Speedball 2 on an Amiga outperformed PC's of many times it's speed.

Lyconix

Originally posted by Shinji
Another thing suddenly springs to mind - how on earth would the PC cope with GTA3s radio stations, eh? You won't fit that lot on a CDROM, or at least not without compressing it in very nasty ways.

The game could be supplied on a DVD if there wasn't enough room on a CD-ROM - not everyone has a DVD drive but then again, when CDROMs originally came out and games switched over to that format, not everyone was lucky enough to have a CDROM drive (myself included) - its an inevitable stage of evolution. If the company were unwilling to supply the product on DVDs only, they could supply a special DVD edition of GTA3 with extras such as the radio stations, as well as regular CD-ROM versions.

Originally posted by Uphamizer
if you want GTA3 that bad why don't you fork out a few quid for a PS2

Nah. When (and if) it comes out on PC I'm confident that it will definitely be in a position to take on the PS2 version - I'd rather spend my money on an upgrade. I've never been into consoles - I could type out a whole list of cons easily (one being that console games are more expensive than PC ones) but thats another argument altogether, one I'm not willing to get into.

Originally posted by Uphamizer
If you don't own a PS2 and a copy of GTA3 your silly

Careful - you just called a lot of people silly

Its definitely a great game, but when you're used to very smooth framerates in excess of 60, the PS2 version just doesn't cut it in terms of FPS. This is definitely a matter of taste, this is solely MY opinion.

The bottom line: If it comes out on PC, it'll be a great game and an improvement on the PS2 version IF the developers pull it off right. I'm sure they're well on their way with the PC GTA3 code, since magazine previews have had hold of PC beta versions.

Shinji

If it comes out on PC, it'll be a great game and an improvement on the PS2 version IF the developers pull it off right.

So a very big "if" then.

I'm sure they're well on their way with the PC GTA3 code, since magazine previews have had hold of PC beta versions.

I don't know where you got that idea from, but it's absolutely not true. There has been NOTHING of the PC version released - no screens, no footage, and DEFINITELY no beta code. However a number of PC mags have previewed the game based on the PS2 version.

Mags are unscrupulous like that, look at the number that reviewed MGS2 based on the demo...

Greenbean

In my opinion there is no way GTA3 will be ported to the PC anytime soon and still retain the same quality of graphics. Clearly the average spec machine won't cope with GTA3 as it stands now. The whole DVD issue would likely be resolved by reducing the number of station data and/or compressing them into mp3's etc... except un-encoding mp3's at runtime is a waste of cpu power. GTA3 seems to have been programmed on a licenced engine... specifically made for the PS2. Unless there is a PC port of this engine which allows for switching off of effects (blur etc), can magically reduce the amount of polygons without needing to redo the art and can still manage the same level of phsyics then I doubt GTA3 will arrive on the comparatively sales weak pc platform. If something does come out, it will be a poormans version of a game that is simply made for the ps2.

On the matter of frame rates, GTA3 is about gameplay - who cares if you notice framerate drop a little, most people are too busy enjoying the game to notice. Yes more framerates can lead to a better game experience - but it doesn't compare to actually having a good game. Hell, I used to play Frontier Elite on the Amiga at .4 frames per second and loved every minute of it.. but I was probably the extreme. If the game is playable and obviously great, not liking it due to low frame rates is an example of PC owner weirdness.... I remember how No-One Lives Forever was somehow slated all over the internet for low frame rates. To me low is 10 fps, not 25.. and its the best first person shooter ever imo.

EvilGeorge

This is all I'm gonna say on the subject

Quake 3 on the pc and on the ps2.

Swifty

I rented Quake 3 for my ps2 there last week, its bloody awful.

NeRb666

This is the reply that nobody can deny (hey it even rhymes!)

PS2 + 32" Panasonic Widescreen TV + 40W Stereo speakers + GTA3 =
PC + 15" Monitor +GTA3 =

Who gives a **** about tech specs and all that, gameplay is what matters. Anyone who worries about that is completely missing the point.

Celt

Originally posted by NeRb666
This is the reply that nobody can deny (hey it even rhymes!)

PS2 + 32" Panasonic Widescreen TV + 40W Stereo speakers + GTA3 =
PC + 15" Monitor +GTA3 =

Who gives a **** about tech specs and all that, gameplay is what matters. Anyone who worries about that is completely missing the point.

How about PC + 19" Monitor + 5 speaker set ?

So anyway back to the point. Im kinda stuck on a mission. Its the one where you have to pick up all the porno that falls out of the van and i cant seem to get it (An El Burro mission). Any tips sould be greatly appreciated. i.e: ta

Stephen

Yeah I'm stuck too. On the first island, the mission you do for tony, where you have to waste the triad ringleaders. You get two mafia guys to help you, but I keep getting wasted.

Any tips?

Celt

Originally posted by Stephen
Yeah I'm stuck too. On the first island, the mission you do for tony, where you have to waste the triad ringleaders. You get two mafia guys to help you, but I keep getting wasted.

Any tips?

Give us some more details, cant remember the exact mission...

Stephen

I *think* its one of the last missions on portland. At the moment triads shoot me on sight when I drive by You have to go to 3 locations and waste the triad leader at each. One of them is their fish plant where you have to rob one of their vans to get in.

That ring any bells?

NeRb666

Originally posted by Celt

How about PC + 19" Monitor + 5 speaker set ?

No thanks!

NeRb666

Originally posted by Stephen
I *think* its one of the last missions on portland. At the moment triads shoot me on sight when I drive by You have to go to 3 locations and waste the triad leader at each. One of them is their fish plant where you have to rob one of their vans to get in.

That ring any bells?

That's about half-way through the here's a couple of tough ones there, the fun really starts when you get to Staunton Island though!

Celt

Originally posted by Stephen
I *think* its one of the last missions on portland. At the moment triads shoot me on sight when I drive by You have to go to 3 locations and waste the triad leader at each. One of them is their fish plant where you have to rob one of their vans to get in.

That ring any bells?

Isnt there like some gas tanks or something you can blow up?
Anyway, running them down always works

Greenbean

Munch, run the first group over with your car..... get out and get good at aiming to take out the second bunch (go in with armour if you can) and then get any fish van, go inside their base and run over the third set. Its not very hard... think the only problem is learning how to aim with the gun.

Celt, you just spoiled the idea for the next mission that he will try :P

Jabba - the porno mission isn't necessary to advance... so you shouldn't be stuck but heres a tip for doing it anyway - you DON'T have to pick up all the porno... so don't go back for any you've missed - its just to give you more time. You should be able to do the mission easy enough under those circumstances.

tnx greenbean. I know it aint necessary but i just wanna do it

Shinji

Jabba just can't help himself when it comes to collecting donkey porn!

Trev

In my opinion, the best way to do that mission, munch, is to mow them down. You've probably done it by now though. Follow Greenbean's advice if necessary .

I completed the storyline for GTA3 on Wednesday, I've completed all the phone missions for Staunton Island but haven't done any phone missions for either of the other two islands. Still got plenty to do yet .

Chucky

I completed GTA3 2 weeks ago - and im still playing the damn thing! The last mission is where you [Spoil the game utterly for everyone else, apparently]

Ive completeed all the missions so now im working on completeing all Rampages, Hidden Packages, and Unique Jumps.

So far ive found 72 Hidden packages, and found 16 Unique Jumps.

Now for some (not very good) tips:

1. Collect hidden pacakages! - For every 10 you find you get a free weapon at your base!

2. Unique Jumps are worth a lot of cash. It goes up in multiples of 5,000 for every jump you do

3. When you complete the game go to the army base on Staunton Island to ride in your tank!

4. On 6 stars thhe cops, FBI, and the army will be after you! tough!

5. Ye know about the prostitute trick right...........????

If ye want to know the location of some of the Unique Jumps just say so.

Celt

http://gta3maps.tripod.com/
All hidden packages on maps