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LOTR-the worst tripe i've watched in years,if not ever
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28-12-2001 03:57AM#1This is a post about LOTR from a movie go'er prespective , please don't move it to that other scary place...
I haven't read the books, after watching the movie i've no intention of either.
I'm sure the books are great, brilliant etc etc, but as a movie they just don't transfer.(unless you've read the books and it all is just great.....blah).
I went to see a movie, ie a plot, a start , a finish and if the dámn thing was going to last three fuppin hours i expect gratification
Sure i knew in advance it was some thinga bout rings..:) , the intro explains it..so the plot is this guy is entrusted with a super ring and only he can destroy it and save the world blah blah...
So fine, he has to fight off lots off baddies in the pouring rain (it never stops apparently..even in the caves..water is a permiating theme).
But ffs at the end he is still on his póxy journey to smash/melt/whatever the ring..goddamn it!!!
Just what is the point of a movie with a start and not end..and seemingly one 3 hour long middle (btw you know this ordeal is nearly over because the music will start playing end of movie tunes(uplifting hopefull mush) even though there seems to be no reason to end the story.
Goddamn it, i wanted a movie and a got a book with the last page (or half the bleedin book) torn out.
I dont care if the trilogy or whatever it was , was never finished, this is the movies and i expect, if i'm going to sit still for three hours..some kind of gratification.
My advice to all ....bring a pillow, after the first half hour, hes not going to get any closer to securing the damn ring, so have a snooze and save yourself the torture of another 2.5 hours of the same...Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/
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Originally posted by Longfield
I dont care if the trilogy or whatever it was , was never finished, this is the movies and i expect, if i'm going to sit still for three hours..some kind of gratification.
Emm, hopefully this will save your skin, but it is the first in a trilogy, next ones due to be released next Chrimbo and then Chrimbo 2004, at which point you will receive the end and the gratification which you so sorely desire
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If your complaint. And from wha i see in the post. Is only the no where led ending then i can understand. Most people on the boards knew it was only part of the whole film. I think they missed out telling the regular movie go ers abou this. I personnally found out from a preview a year ago. Yes it is an annoying ending more so when your hyped up so much by the previous 3 hours. But this is more a fault of PR then to the film. If you were told. This is 1 of 3 films it ends before anything is solved. Then i hope you wouldnt be as p1ssed off.
about the rain: no rain in caves...theres fire but no rain. It didnt rain in the final battle. It didnt rain when he fought or was being chased by the wraiths. Actually i dont remember there being much rain. cept when they come to the inn. ???
You have some form of finish. This movie follows the fellowship of the ring. The subtitle. And it ends with the fellowship being broken. Think of it as....a star wars film (not in context but in ending) Like the empire strikes back. That didnt end properly niether did the 1sst one. (ok so Lucas didnt expect it to be a success but it still didnt end properly.) Its just Lotr made its "To be continued" Bigger then the others because...IT IS BIGGER!
Are you telling me. That nothing in this film appealled to you? Not even its visuals?0 -
Originally posted by Longfield
This is a post about LOTR from a movie go'er prespective , please don't move it to that other scary place...
I haven't read the books, after watching the movie i've no intention of either.
Yes, you really ARE going to get it. As block pointed out.
Originally posted by Longfield
I'm sure the books are great, brilliant etc etc, but as a movie they just don't transfer.(unless you've read the books and it all is just great.....blah).
Complete muppetry!
If you haven't read the books how do you know it doesn't transfer?
It transfers PERFECTLY.Originally posted by Longfield
I went to see a movie, ie a plot, a start , a finish and if the dámn thing was going to last three fuppin hours i expect gratification
I won't dwell on this, as it's been pointed out already: It's the first part of the entire story!
You've got another two films to go before you get your "Gratification."
The entire story is too huge to film in a single part.Originally posted by Longfield
Sure i knew in advance it was some thinga bout rings..:) , the intro explains it..so the plot is this guy is entrusted with a super ring and only he can destroy it and save the world blah blah...
You have absolutely no idea what the plot is, do you?
I've never seen a more childish, 'Just glanced at a film' interperatation of a plot in my life!Originally posted by Longfield
So fine, he has to fight off lots off baddies in the pouring rain (it never stops apparently..even in the caves..water is a permiating theme).
What film was it you were watching exactly?Originally posted by Longfield
But ffs at the end he is still on his póxy journey to smash/melt/whatever the ring..goddamn it!!!
Just what is the point of a movie with a start and not end..and seemingly one 3 hour long middle (btw you know this ordeal is nearly over because the music will start playing end of movie tunes(uplifting hopefull mush) even though there seems to be no reason to end the story.
I wont bother stating the obvious again.Originally posted by Longfield
Goddamn it, i wanted a movie and a got a book with the last page (or half the bleedin book) torn out.
I dont care if the trilogy or whatever it was , was never finished, this is the movies and i expect, if i'm going to sit still for three hours..some kind of gratification.
My advice to all ....bring a pillow, after the first half hour, hes not going to get any closer to securing the damn ring, so have a snooze and save yourself the torture of another 2.5 hours of the same...
Pff...
*Hands longfield most worst review of any film ever award.
If you actualy want, I'll relay the plot to you, then maybe you might get it.
But I'm not going to bother if I'm going to try a long explination, and it to be ignored.0 -
Oh No.. they've got a Cave Troll.......
Some sorta Troll anyway...
The Film is:
Beginning: The discovery of the ring, and the initial Flight from Hobbiton.
Middle: Decisions on the course to take, and a 'quest' to get
there.
End: A Climax, emotionally and physically is reached with the battle and subsequent death of Borromir (and Aragorns defeat of the Uber Bad Guy - the Ururk Hai) - Subsequently the 'heros' go off into the sunset to meet their future fates, irrevocably changed by the events that they have shared in...
Where's your problem with that?
Did you also have a problem with "The Matrix" - Given that it also ends on a 'this is part one of three' note? I'll bet not...
If you have arguements to make about the film, that's fine. Make some cogent ones with a tad more objectivity and it might become an interesting discussion.
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Originally posted by Longfield
My advice to all ....bring a pillow, after the first half hour, hes not going to get any closer to securing the damn ring, so have a snooze and save yourself the torture of another 2.5 hours of the same...
Well it obvious that you slept thru most of the film or you "imagined" going to it
The vast majority have thought it to be the best film in years and those that have criticised it have been able to do so coherently something that you have failed to do here.
This is nothing more than a blatent Troll !!
Gandalf.0 -
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Man... I should really stop posting drivel at 4 AM...
But still. That was an immesurable immature review to the film.
I agree with Gandalf, it was a blatant Troll...
At least Marcus gave a good, thought out opinion, even if I didn't agree with it.0 -
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Originally posted by Chubby
We're going to have to wait for the special dvd edition to see all the deleted scenes.
that will make it a 5 hour film
i enjoyed it.
i went in to be entertained.
it was full of righteous arsé kicking so i was happy.
it stuck fairly much to the book, so i was happy.
it looked nice, so i was happy.
the original book doesnt exactly have the greatest of scrpting, so no disappointment there.
there was lots of nice graphicy things, so i was happy.
end result = i was happy
not as good as harry potter though 0 -
Maybe i was a little ott, but it was late when i posted it and was maybe a little too full of xmas cheer.
That said, it's not a deliberate "troll" (unless that was a pun ), this is a Films/TV discussion board, i didn't like it, i discussed it, and it seems i'm not the only one let down by all the hype, so, in that sense i stand by my words.
Its a film not a book, i watched in the cinema, i dont care if it was a 15 part story, every part needs a beginning and an ending, this one only had music...
Not really bothered if you get all hot under the collar about this opinion, and at least post why you think it was the best film of 2001, fine, just please don't get personal,it it makes you look retarded, its an opinion which should be as valid as the LOTR lovers here, /end.Have a weather station?, why not join the Ireland Weather Network - http://irelandweather.eu/
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I saw it today, and liked it. Dunno about "best film" or whatever, I don't really care about most films or pay attention to what's released and such.. but everyone's talking about this one so I had to see it. It was good. (Except there were annoying kids everywhere. And my seat sucked. Damn you shinji, being late and making us have sucky seats. ) 0
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Originally posted by DadaKopf
The special effects were great, cast was well chosen but the script was terrible.
It patronised the audience, played them for chumps, kept repeating itself for the sake of vanity shots time and time again and at times was more embarassing to watch than those hammy lines in Star Wars (Leia: "Sometimes I wonder if he cares at all"; Luke: "I care." etc.).
The one redeeming feature about the script, thank God, is that none of the writers felt the urge to stick in the odd ironic joke, Shrek-style. That just would have blown it.
Since the films were made at the same time, I very much doubt the standard of the script is going to improve at all.
The script was fine, Dadakopf.
You must remeber that it's pretty faithful to the book. To change the dialog would be downright ridiculous.
Maybe if you're not a fan of fantasy, a lot of it would seem rather hammy. But I really enjoyed it.
It's a bit arrogant to think that the script should be in modern english, and mannerisms.
Lets not forget that JRR Tolkien had actualy created an entire world, in extreme detail, and even an entire Language, so the different dialog is definetly a part of the film.
I mean, could anyone imagine John Boormans classic film Excalibur if any of the dialog went along the lines of: "You ****ing idjit! I'd hit ya upside the head wit meh sword!"
But yes, thank god they didn't throw a few of the old 'Ironic jokes' I agree with you there.
And they also had the decent sense to Change Samwise's Character a bit also, as in the book, he was nearly a Jar Jar binks himself! And could have added a bit too much hokum to the film.Originally posted by Longfield
Maybe i was a little ott, but it was late when i posted it and was maybe a little too full of xmas cheer.
That said, it's not a deliberate "troll" (unless that was a pun ), this is a Films/TV discussion board, i didn't like it, i discussed it, and it seems i'm not the only one let down by all the hype, so, in that sense i stand by my words.
Its a film not a book, i watched in the cinema, i dont care if it was a 15 part story, every part needs a beginning and an ending, this one only had music...
Not really bothered if you get all hot under the collar about this opinion, and at least post why you think it was the best film of 2001, fine, just please don't get personal,it it makes you look retarded, its an opinion which should be as valid as the LOTR lovers here, /end.
1. If the entire 3 books were squeezed into a single film, just because "Every film needs a beggining and an end", then it would be a pretty damn poor film.
2. Christmas cheer is forgivable. But to say your point still stands seems silly. Especially if it's as badly posed as yours. It seemed like you barely watched the film at all, and gave an overview based on an advert.
3. Nobody is getting under the collar, or taking this personaly... Or at least I'm not. As you say yourself, this is a disscusion board, and I'm having a damn good time discussion here, arguing my points as aversed to others.
I'm heartily enjoying it, thank you.
4. Post what *I* think of the film? Sure...
Here's my take on it, and it's rather deep meanings...
As a story, I loved the idea of the "Bad-Guy"...
If you didn't get it, here it is:
Sauron, the dark lord basicaly imbued his "Essence" into this ring. So after death, his Evil lives on.
I love the idea of a 'Bad-guy' not nessiceraly being a phsyical being, but a sense of all that is wrong with man in the form of the ring. Greed, power, envy, corruption. It's just fantastic.
It's not like a quest to defeat some big bad arsehole. But all of man's weaknesses.
This is what the ring represents.
The "Physical" Sauron is only secondary to it.
Even the idea that people, as Gandalf said would use the ring in attempt to do good, but it would do evil through them. This is a striking nod to the idea of people who do very evil things but have themselves fooled into thinking it righteousness.
The ring is the PERFECT literary representation of evil.
Couple this amazing story, and fantastic and beautifully detailed world it's based in with some of the most perfect casting I've ever witnessed, purely brilliant acting, astonishing special effects, and fantastically coreographed fight scenes, it is simply nothing short of pure brilliance.
THAT is why I love the film, and I can't wait to see the rest of the series.0 -
Just to add my 2 cents....
I've read LOTR twice (last time was about 5yrs ago) & was eager to see the film, finally saw it with 2 mates. Overall I agree that on a whole the film seem rushed(even at 3 hours), but the books major moments transfered superbly, namely the mines & Boromirs finale. But as the film progressed, it did seem to skip over everything without ever delving deeper (kind of like someones rushed description of a yr long round the world trip: I was here,here,there, met so & so and so on). Admittedly it was impossible to go any deeper unless it was turned into something ridiculously long.
On the other hand my 2 mates thought it was amazing & neither of them had even heard of a Hobbit, although at about 2 hrs one asked me how could the story wrap up in the short time left..... he cursed me as i said trilogy!! So as we left the cinema they had big grins & I felt a little cheated, until of course they started to discuss Gandalfs death
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I've already seen FOTR three times. Alright, so maybe I'm a LITTLE pathetic :rolleyes: , but I honestly think it's the best film I've ever seen. I read the books for the first time when I was in 6th class, decided I liked them but wouldn't really want to read them again for a while, and left it at that. I also tried to read the Silmarillion (boy, was THAT ever a mistake!)
Now, six years later and less than a fortnight after seeing FOTR, I'm halfway through The Two Towers; and I've seen a lot of parts that are exactly the same as the book, or bits that didn't fit in the right place in the movies but were put in elsewhere to great effect - like Gandalf's "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them?" speech, which was originally made in Bag End.
Of COURSE there are three films. You can't fit an epic like this into just one. Besides, we at least know the next two will come out; the animated version was advertised as being the full film, and it really did cut out just at the end of FOTR. They ran out of money or something.
I admit that I'm probably biased, because I live for fantasy and there are very few proper fantasy films these days. But my dad agrees with me - he thinks it was five-star, and even my grandmother thought it was brilliant, if a little loud, and perhaps containing too many Yrch.
The script was good, in my opinion. I liked Arwen in the films much better than in the books - she was more like Tinuviel. And of course there was Legolas ... I think all the roles were well cast, though some of them were never intended to be strong or important enough for a film - a lot of them were padding. As for the scene after Moria, the first time I saw it I was too busy laughing at the two girls in front of me who had clearly never read book 2 bemoaning Gandalf's fate to notice ; the second time I nearly cried, and the third I almost laughed.
I've been online for far too long. I'm going to go and watch TV - after Monday I have to start studying again (*groan*). Sixth year is EVIL. Hopefully someone will actually notice this post. And to the inevitable scornful one who thinks I'm just some loony, I say, you might be right but I don't care. To everyone else, I hope this makes sense, but I'm very tired and have eaten too much chocolate.
Farewell
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...Just what is the point of a movie with a start and not end..and seemingly one 3 hour long middle...
now be fair, what with the other two movies it'll be a 9 hour middle
LOTR was fuppin great, imho.
in fact, I think i'll go and see it again tonight
Teleute - you've got it easy - I'm in my 5th year in college.0 -
I thought the movie was great. When i first heard they were attmepting to make films of the book i was horrified as i thought there was no way it could be pulled off, no way it could be 'huge' enough, but i was well impressed.
My favourite part was the start when it showed history of the ring and Sauron being defeated. I think it was clever of them to pull all of this from the silmarillion and throw it in as a bit of background info at the start. Thsi should give a nice tasting of the final part of the trilogy too when the battle scenes will no doubt be massive, i can't wait.
As for the script, it was perhaps the poorest part, but it was true enoguh to the book. One strange disclaimer i heard was that "script lines have been taken directly from the book... but may be said by different characters!!" which i found odd. Did anyone notice evidence of this?
I also found it strange that they didn't make a film of the hobbit first. Afterall i think everyone should have read that before they did LOTR. Perhaps they'll do a star wars and go back and make that the trilogy has been released
Also what did everyone think of gandalf's breakdancing in the fight with saruman (sp?) Not seen anyone spin on their head like that Run DMC Vs. Jason nevins 0 -
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Originally posted by Gerry
Longfield, I'm reminded of The Big Lebowski:
"You're out of your ****ing element donny, you're like a child who wanders into a cinema, comes out, doesn't have a clue what went on in there."
Oh man... Thats brilliant! 0 -
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'if not last ten years (at least)'Originally posted by Longfield
Worst "blockbuster" movie of 2001 if not the last 10 years (at least)..
Real 1st class contradiction
But i will put it in 3simple sentances from my opinion..........
script = OK
Acting = good
SFX = amazing.0 -
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I think MarcusGarvey sums up what I was going to say.
But I'll add a couple of things;
I went into the film having not of read the books, or not even knowing there was 3 movies .... but I thought the movie looked great, but I'd of prefered longer , fight scenes. Thinking back, 3 hours long...brief fight scenes, where did the time go?
Saying that, i wouldnt of minded the 3 hours as long as I left the cinema feeling something. I left thinking, did I just miss something, or did I misunderstand something and miss the ending?
Yes, i know thats not meant to be the 'ending' , since theres 2 more to go, but imo, it seems to end in the way an episode of a series ends, leaving u in suspense etc, but the films are too far apart for that. To me it looked like the movie was filmed how a book is read (for all you people who read the books, this is probably a good thing), and stopped at a certain point without giving u the sense that Part 1 is over.
Summary : Looked amazing, best visual effects I've seen yet, plot was good, little bit long, abrupt ending.
Thats what I pieced out of it anyway 0 -
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