Something is coming and it'll blow you away!

Revolver

Guys,

Extremely, extremely good news!!!! A well known cable company is going to be making an announcement on the 19th which will make the muppets at Eircom seem like mad crazy fools!

Looks like the service we have all been waiting for is coming and it took us all by surprise, even me... and I work for 'em....!

As for the pricing... You won't believe how cheap it will be. At last guys it's gonna happen... free music, faster online gaming, more por, er, well you know what I mean!

I'm so happy I could cry, in fact I am crying.

Here's to no more drop calls, half finished downloads and expensive call charges!

pencil

This could be the best news I've heard all year or a very evil windup. I'm hoping for positive side. But a first post like this?

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Can't take it the 19th is ages away - someone check Revolver IP & let us know if it comes from a telco. I don't want to know which one, just would like to believe that it might be genuine.

Revolver

I am not the one you seek but just the messenger proclaiming his arrival!

It's not a wind up honest. Obviously I don't want to give my details away 'cos i'd lose my job, probably, but this is such good news I wanted to share it with you all.

19th November, put it in your diary (only if you live in West Dublin though... shortly after for the rest of ya!)

oscarBravo

Originally posted by Revolver
19th November, put it in your diary (only if you live in West Dublin though... shortly after for the rest of ya!)

Although this is at first glance as relevant to me as if it were on the moon, the more I think about it the better it gets. An affordable cablemodem service should put it up to Eircom, forcing their hand on ADSL. Once broadband in any form finally kicks off in this country, the other technologies (VSAT, wireless etc) should start following suit.

I live in hope...!

skoobydoo_2000

I believe this is actually true and that the price is very keen & I too live in hope.

More importantly with foregin companies investing more and more in home working - it will make Ireland a more attractive place to look at , in reality you can not "home work" without Broadband.

As oscarBrave also correclty stated it will help other stuff along such as VoIP , Wireless etc etc.....

If all this is true then I think we are in for some fun from the 19th - hopefully is will spread from West Dublin quickly after that, Coz I'm a Northsider!

rymus

/me checks his Nostrodamous texts for cryptic entries relating to 'cable' or 'cheap'.

I wont believe anything until I see proof.. Or as was said previously by some unknown character "Wheres the beef?" I'm not making any sense so I'll just go...

only in west dublin eh? thats usual.. probably wont see it in cork for another 5 years..

Moriarty

Originally posted by rymus
only in west dublin eh? thats usual.. probably wont see it in cork for another 5 years..

And another year before it reaches Limerick :rolleyes:

phreak

and about 20 before we see it in letterkenny

Dont be at yourself

Please be true

m1ke

heh, i've run out of hope tho, i've been thinking where's my cable modem connection since 1998 .... there's been so much hope and so many let downs frankly I don't believe you until I see more information and until I see people getting the service installed. I'm a skeptic when it comes to lip service.

El_MUERkO

If your telling the truth YAY

If your a lying scum bag BOO >:(

yellum

Okay,
Not sounding like a complete skeptic or cynic but this is the kind of thing clever marketers for a company would do. Post positive messages like this for an unyet named service. Get a load of hype going etc.

Viral Marketing trick #6 I think it is.

hudson806

OK, West Dublin on the 19th?

Just a bit of food for thought:

West Dublin is all in NTL's franchise area (I think). So if its a cable modem service, it will definitely be provided by them (as nobody else is allowed provide service in NTL's patch). This is consistent - NTL have already upgraded most of west Dublin to what they call 2-way, so actually starting to sell the service would be pretty easy (They were selling it in parts of Tallaght, but stopped accepting new customers a few months ago, AFAIK)

Problem is that NTL haven't upgraded anywhere else yet, and as it stands are pretty unlikely to, as long as they don't have to - generating enough cash to stay afloat is their biggest worry right now - not huge infrastructure upgrades.

So for my money, if you live in west Dublin - great. Anyone else, forget about it.

SkepticOne

AFAIK, it's just specific parts of West Dublin that are upgraded (~30,000 homes). It could be that they're planning to use the built-in cablemodem in the set top box in some of the upgraded areas as part of the digital package. Whatever is planned will require the physical upgrading of the cable combined with the laying of fibre to the nodes.

The original plan to upgrade the whole of the city to two-way was to take three years. The actual progress was taking much longer and costing more than expected so they called a halt to the whole thing earlier this year (that and the dificulty of raising finance). So I would not hold my breath for cable internet from NTL anytime soon.

On a more cynical note, the date mentioned is just 3 days after the proposed blackout. It is possible that someone from a certain telco is just trying to distract us. Further details from "Revolver" would help alleviate this suspicion.

Supercell

Sounds too good to be true, west Dublin ehh?..my moneys on hudson806 hitting the mark there.

So will all existing well known cable provider customers in the Dublin area (specifically the city centre), have any hope of getting this in the next ..6 months..year?

Bard

According to my own suspicions, based on what hudson has said and *cough* Revolver's IP address... I'd go with it being ntl: that he's on about too, and would be more than a little skeptical...

Still... we live in hope, eh? :rolleyes:

mike65

I'm a cynic, call me suspicious but the thread was begun by someone posting for only the second time while the claim is "backed up" by a first-timer!

Hmmmm.....

Mike.

PiE

Aren't NTL the only cable supplier in Dublin...?

TacT

/me needs to see some proof, also, how can area's like Stillorgan have a hope in hell of getting this if it's only the westside of Dublin, Don't believe the hype!

Hell If I'm unlucky enough to be 130 odd metres too far from the exchange at priory to fail for an adsl testline and to subscribe to get it, I can safely say I will not raise a hope in hell for any sort of broadband in Ireland......this country is a land of make believe and bs with no broadband access.

Hurray if this eventually works properly, I will not hold my breath and I wouldn't hold yours either

ando

NTL is producing some impressive profits over here, I wonder .... hmmmmm

http://www.electricnews.net/news.html?code=4544402

smokin' an'chewin' man

Originally posted by mike65
I'm a cynic, call me suspicious but the thread was begun by someone posting for only the second time while the claim is "backed up" by a first-timer!

Hmmmm.....

Mike.

I agree. We've heard it all before and even it has some grain of truth I'll bet it's 'core' west dublin and it'll take a year to get to Stillorgan and another year to get to Dalkey !

The_Scary_Man

My heart is shouting Joy Joy! but unfortunately it is being drowned out by my brain's screams of SPOOF! SPOOF!

b20uvkft6m5xwg

I spoke to NTL today about other TV stuff but did manage to slip in the big q....

Is cable modem internet available on Sandyford Road in Dundrum??
"No not yet, we're in the process of upgr...."blahblah

So thats just to let anyone in the vicinity know.

But then i called a second time....
On foot of them having this monster billboard up in the sandyford indus. estate saying "BROADBAND IS HERE in SANDYFORD INDUSTRIAL ESTATE call ntl @1800 924 220"

That number BTW is just thro' to some poor receptionist who had not got a clue wtf I was on about:(

Neway, this Big Suprise thats goin to blow us all away smells of NTL and we all know they are the biggest príck teasers in the telco biz:)

Fergus

Regardless of all of this, one would think NTL should get the two-way network project going again anyway. Clearly, their broadband venture in the UK is working a treat...

NTL recruits 79,000 broadband customers

... and here they are in Dublin with a monopoly handed to them on a plate, plus the new colder relationship with BSkyB.. I mean, c'mon guys, get the finger out. As you say yourselves, broadband is the thing to invest in during the downturn..

irishguy

talking about ip look ups how do you do one?

pete

Wouldn't it be feasible for NTL to offer cable downlink (using the set top box they're flogging now) along with a telephone uplink, negating the need for an infrastructural upgrade?

Or am i missing something?

dahamsta

According to my own suspicions, based on what hudson has said and *cough* Revolver's IP address... I'd go with it being ntl: that he's on about too, and would be more than a little skeptical...

Quite a coincidence that "Revolver" and "skoobydoo_2000" have the same IP address too, eh?

Revolver, put up or shut up.

adam

pete

um surely two individuals browsing through the same firewall would have the same IP?

Such as two individuals working for the same company?

yellum

and that company being NTL ?
resolving ip to marketingdroid1.dub.ntl.com

pete

yeah - and why not?

i just mentioned that firewall thing in case anyone was assuming same IP = same person posting under 2 nicks to back themselves up

that's all


(i just don't understand the "put up or shut up" bit)

byte

Originally posted by Phreak
and about 20 before we see it in letterkenny

If it will take 20 to see it in L'Kenny, then it will probably take another 10 before we see it near Donegal Town!:D

Dustaz

This is obviously NTL launching in another upgraded area. Its not huge news unless your in that area. AFAIK, they havent upgraded many other places so your SOL and better off waiting for ADSL.

Originally posted by pete
Wouldn't it be feasible for NTL to offer cable downlink (using the set top box they're flogging now) along with a telephone uplink, negating the need for an infrastructural upgrade?

Or am i missing something?

Well pete, you would still be paying local call charges, and thats not really always on broadband. Plus you would get nice downspeeds, but 36k (?) upspeed which isnt really broadband. 1 way cable is a hiding to nothing, even worse than one way satellite, as you cant queue for downloads.

smokin' an'chewin' man

Originally posted by yellum
and that company being NTL ?
resolving ip to marketingdroid1.dub.ntl.com

Hardly a revelation considering he clearly said he worked for the company.

DeVore

Revolver posts from cabletel15.cableol.net

I guess cabletel are too f*ckin CHEAP to buy an ad from us.
I think I'll phone them today and remind them that money can be exchanged for goods and services...

Scum.

DeVore.

Cloud

Funnily enough skoobydoo_2000 posted his "I Believe Revolver" reply from cabletel15.cableol.net as well

Revolver

Hello to you all.

I can see from the posted replies that many of you are already aware of the 2-way network in West Dublin. This was upgraded to ensure that NTL could meet it's deadline for the roll out of Digital TV. The broadband service will rollout on the 19th in that area over that network.

Training for staff is currently taking place so there's no point ringing now 'cos 'the receptionist' won't know what u r talking about.

I'm not a marketeer, and besides, this product would need very little marketing to be fair. If it delivers what we all hope it will then it will sell like hot cakes. Personally i'm not a company man and I realise that NTL have had a lot of issues with service etc but we are getting it together and this time I think you guys will have something extremely positive to say. It's a great 'good news story' and even if it just motivates the other Telcos to pull the finger out then that has to be a good thing.

I understand the cynics, especially after all the hype and hot air from Eircom but all I'm saying is have a little patience and keep watching the press.

I'm going to disappear for a while now... just in case our admin is watching my keystrokes or something... you have to be a little paranoid these days!

See you on the counter-strike servers one day?!

Revolver.

Revolver

Incidentally guys,

Stop banging my IP address and all that kind of stuff around. I already said that I worked for NTL... I only added that to prove my story is credible. It is highly feasible that someone else in here reads this site... wouldn't be that shocking in a company with 300+ IT literate people would it? The information I 'leaked' to the site was quite confidential but as a long time whinger about the piss poor state of broadband on this feckin' rock I thought that this news was so good I couldn't keep it to myself.

The Moderators will know if i'm being genuine 'cos they can probably see my email addy, I dunno! If they can and they want to mail me then feel free and i'll tell 'em what I know on the basis of continued anonimity.

I'm on our side guys!

Adios. R

DeVore

Hmmm forgive me if I'm cynical... you start an account and come here and pretend (initially) to be happy about a forthcoming service as your first post, which (presumably) is from the company you work for.... but of course this is all for the education of your mates here...

Somehow I find this hard to believe. This COULD be good news, in which case obviously I'm happy... why not make sure people in your marketing dept consider buying one of our cheap ads and point out that we reach a lot of the hardcore IT/Gamer community who are likely to be target customers.

Something stinks and its not Regi.

DeV.

ednwireland

and another 100 years before it hits donegal town (150 to the 2 miles out i live) can't get a job with 10 years IT experience who in their right mind would roll out broadband here most businesses don't even understand email never mind the internet or e-commerce

yours depressed i'm off out to grow my veggies

Revolver

I didn't 'pretend' to be happy, i'm over the moon and still am so there is no 'initially' about it.

I did post the message because I genuinely wanted everyone to know, and it was done just because I thought it was good news and everyone should get the buzz off it that I have got.

If you want 'My Company' to advertise on your site then ask them yourself... i'm only a minnion and I don't have the influence to get stuff like that done.

And... reread your post, put yourself in my shoes and then ask yourself if you had anymore good news to share would you bother? No offence mate but u r being quite hard on me... only trying to help... :cool:


Absoultely positively the last word!!!


R

Canaboid

Thanks for the heads up Revolver. My winged monkeys mentioned something about this last week so I'm inclined to believe it.
Ignore the cynics, its not their fault.

SkepticOne

I hope that something comes of this and NTL (re)commit to upgrading the rest of their franchise area. This was the reason they were chosen above other (higher) bids. I hope it is not just a sales campaign for broadband in their current two-way area.

If they are starting again then it will take years to upgrade the whole of Dublin, Galway and Waterford. So we should still push for flat-rate, LLU and broadband from companies with existing infrastructure. (all IMHO)

Revolver, would you mind telling us what is being planned?

1. Resumption of upgrading to two-way for the rest of Dublin, Waterford and Galway.
2. Sales campaign for existing two-way areas with no commitment to further upgrading.
3. One-way cablemodem with POTS return for those areas that can handle it.
4. Enabling the built-in cablemodem in the STB for existing two-way areas.
5. None of the above.

Regards.

Fergus

Well, seeing that we have NTL engaging in the discussion..

If they launch the whole shebang in Tallaght, that really only means they decided to switch on the capability thats in the kit already installed. Why is this particularly significant?

The real point is that NTL have stopped further development of the network. In fact, they appear to be only introducing a bare minimum of 'digital' technology in order to retain their licence (i.e. monopoly). Give us the dates when the fibre and cable internet will be installed in somewhere other than 'West Dublin', and then maybe we'll share your enthusiasm.

pete

Originally posted by Fergus
Well, seeing that we have NTL engaging in the discussion..

If they launch the whole shebang in Tallaght, that really only means they decided to switch on the capability thats in the kit already installed. Why is this particularly significant?

I suppose it's significant to the 30,000 people (or is it 30,000 households?) in that area who will (fingers crossed) have access to cablemodem internet.

DeVore

Ok, at least you've stated your case. I respect that.

We get a LOT of people who come here, set up a Joe Public account and then pretend to be telling all their "mates" about some great service or website or product... which is actually theirs.

It pisses me off greatly because they are leaching off the work of the admins and moderators and using the power of the community for their own benefit and profit.


I'd have had less of an issue if you said "hey guys, I'm work in NTL and I'm hearing rumours in work about something big coming on the 19th.... sounds great, stay tuned!"

Thats being part of a community and sharing info... the other way looked like sneaky marketing on the cheap.

Sorry if I took the head off you, generally I dont care if I piss Marketeers off because they arent really here for the community and thus are handy targets for stress relief. If you are a civilian casuality apologies...

/me gives Revolver a token for one last "final word".


DeV.

ekehoe

Originally posted by Fergus
The real point is that NTL have stopped further development of the network. In fact, they appear to be only introducing a bare minimum of 'digital' technology in order to retain their licence (i.e. monopoly). Give us the dates when the fibre and cable internet will be installed in somewhere other than 'West Dublin', and then maybe we'll share your enthusiasm.

I'm not sure what part of their license you're talking about, so I'll toss this out there and ignore me if I'm wrong...

The ODTR has said that cable modems are NOT part of NTL's digital services that will effect their license...in essence, NTL never has to roll out cable modems and they can still keep their license.

E

SkepticOne

Originally posted by ekehoe
I'm not sure what part of their license you're talking about, so I'll toss this out there and ignore me if I'm wrong...

The ODTR has said that cable modems are NOT part of NTL's digital services that will effect their license...in essence, NTL never has to roll out cable modems and they can still keep their license.

E

The "bare minimum" Fergus is referring to here is the 35 channel digital TV service. It is a shame that some form of telephony/Cablemodem services weren't written in to the licence requirement. I believe that it was intended by the people that reccommended the sale by TE/RTE back in 1999. If it had been the case, then NTL would have reserved money for upgrading in Ireland as opposed to taking over cable operations all over Europe. Eircom would then have been forced to become a competitive company.

Fergus

Yup.. digital TV ain't the internet. Just another mode of broadcast TV signal. But of course, all you need to do to keep your licence it seems is use the word 'digital'.

Anyway.. as SkepticOne says, and speeches by politicans highlighted in other threads have pointed out, the sell-off of Telecom Eireann's Cablelink was principally to introduce competition and 'multimedia/broadband' services..

Funny isn't it how within a year or so of the break-up, Eircom pulled out of plans to offer TV services over DSL, and NTL pulled out of offering internet/telephone over cable. Bob, if you're reading, how about updating the lyrics to 'Banana Republic' ?

Boston

Revolver are you saying they had to upgrade more parts of west Dublin to be able for digital TV.
cause I kinda believe that as ive see them ripping up the road about 20 meters from my house and laying broadband cable not digital TV cable(it was those subtractors)

im amazed by the short sightedness of some people.this is good news if its true, as they never officially brought out broadband here, and any Dublin broadband may be enough to make eircom realize what they have and pull the finger out for the rest of the country.

but i do thing we should all back of this guy, ntl come out with something on the 19th, he will be my favourite member, other wise i ... well there beter not be an other wise.

PiE

Theres 4 manhole things about 200m from me (on North King St.)

3 say eircom and the other 1 says NTL.

And I'm in the center of Dublin, should NTL have stuff around this area?

b20uvkft6m5xwg

Originally posted by Fergus
Bob, if you're reading, how about updating the lyrics to 'Banana Republic' ?

LOL

Sure he's a dotcom entrepreneur (although since debunk deckchair.com AFAIK), maybe if you write him a nice fan letter he'll do an IrelandOffline remix. All the video needs be is a tour of the corporate HQ's of the Telcos and Cable Co's of Ireland.:)