Boundry Extension: Different scenarios - Rename Limerick city to Clare City

billy the squid

Ok people are probably not going to like some of these alternatives, and some of them are in jest so here goes.

South east clare don't want to be a part of limerick. and county limerick dont want to be part of the city so how are these for options

Why not get rid of limerick altogether. Merge County Limerick with County clare. rename limerick to Clare City and everyone will be happy.

who knows, maybe ditching the name Liemrick might help shake off some of the nasty press the city is getting.

spinalsly

i wont even dignify that with an answer......

1huge1

billy the squid wrote:

Ok people are probably not going to like some of these alternatives, and some of them are in jest so here goes.

South east clare don't want to be a part of limerick. and county limerick dont want to be part of the city so how are these for options

Why not get rid of limerick altogether. Merge County Limerick with County clare. rename limerick to Clare City and everyone will be happy.

who knows, maybe ditching the name Liemrick might help shake off some of the nasty press the city is getting.

no offence mate but that is just stupid and i think most ppl will agree

billy the squid

spinalsly wrote:

i wont even dignify that with an answer......

im deeply hurt

so what alternatives would you suggest? buthe yourself and 1huge1

spinalsly

hhhmmmmm i think i have an idea
wait can any of ye give me a link to the current city boundary and the proposed boundary extension please.

billy the squid

the changes required would be minor i think

of course limerick_man would have to change his name to clare_man. but i dont think he would mind

theres a link to the new boundry extension somewhere in the urban renewal thread

i think this is the map
http://www.limerickcity.ie/services/planning/pl_CityBoundaryExtension_2004-10-Proposal.html

all together now

Clare, your my lady....

spinalsly

yeah i dont understand why they have to go so far into clare, like make it go past caherdavin all the way to the clare border. this way you get all the caherdavin and a bit more and that it really. should be no problems. and for the county limerick people bitching......well i dont see what the big deal is for them.....

Amazotheamazing

No offence Billy, but that's a massively **** idea. The real problem facing Limerick city is from county Limerick, Clare only accounts for a small proportion of the proposed extention.

billy the squid

well if it were up to me I would extend the border as far as shannon.

I would rename shannon airport to Limerick International airport.

I would extend it as far as adare to the west and Newport to the east

we wouldnt need another boundry extension for a hundred years if we were to do that.

i still think we should change limerick_man's name to clare_man for a laugh - if not for SSF

jonski

Ok , here we go . Limerick has this reputation for being full of gangsters , hard men and scum bags in general . So we amass them all on the border , no need to arm them as they already will have brought their own , these will be backed by the army from the "garrison" in Edward Street . Then we march forward and annex Clare . Using this method we get to keep all of Clare for the city , plus with this done Limerick , not only has the numbers to bleed the European funding dry , but we are now a multi beach seaside resort with our own International Airport in the middle of our city .

Method No2
If the above is too heavy handed for some of the do gooders , then I propose that we put in order a law that forbids any person not dwelling within the city boundaries from shopping, parking , playing , working , dancing , drinking , fighting , singing , sexing , laning or bitching within our city limits . If these "outsiders" wish to do same they can go to Ennis , Tipp town or Newcastlewest , depending on which side of the country they hail from .But be warned , while ye are away doing all these things , we might just decide to put plan A into action anyways .

John

iguana

I think that maybe they should just let the boundary extention go, no wait, hear me out. It is an emotive issue, especially as people from Clare want to remain part of their county. And despite the financial reasoning many people will never, ever see past the emotive side of it.

Instead why not merge the 3 councils. Instead of there being a Limerick city council, a Limerick county council and a Clare council, why not have 1 Limerick/Clare council. They would have a shared pool of resources and a shared pool of resposibilities from and for the entire duristiction. Major roads, parks and river areas should be maintained to agreed minimum standards. Then they can vote on what to do with the rest of their budget.

billy the squid

Ah but that would put two county managers out of work. do you thing the Fianna Fail cronies would go for the axing of two unnecessary civil servants.

Amazotheamazing

I agree that the area in question should have one authority over it, we need to build a cohesive identity about the Midwest region (what a lame name, how about the Golden Vale?). Too often Clare and Limerick fight against each other allowing the other areas of the country to develop at our expense.

1huge1

Most people see shannon airport as limericks airport anyway no one cares if it is in clare
It was actually supposed to be built in ballyneety until de valera interfeered (spelled that wrong)
shame it wasnt because ballyneety is just down the road

mysterious

Well this is no joke Limerick is seriously losing out as a city compared to Galway and Cork.

The Government is basing the facts and figures over a the old boundary where a city area is stagnant only for the Docklands and inner city redevelopment it would be decliniing today.

from over 60,000 15 years ago to 55,000 today and suburbs are about the same figure now, the city is at least 100,000, oficially its 87,000 on the last census, but the whole of limerick was that througout the last century these figures are totally inadequaute to run a city on !!!!

get the hell on with the boundary extension and f*** the money mean county octupuses out of the way! Tell the county council look after what they have rather than using the resources of the city .

enough is enough. sooner or later the rescources are going to run dry from the likes of Clare and Limerick Co. Council grabbing the money al the time,

Raheen, Ul, Cresent SC alone would be the best Xmas present the city wouid ever have in there boundary limit, yet its in the city anyway, mad...
The whole Countrythinks bloody Galway is bigger, whats next Waterford in this Census coming up,
Limerick is after losing out on the NDP
Ye now have to go to Galway for special services in the regional hospitals

uh o

Wake up Limericl people before your money and multi nationals are gone, Cus the Government ain't interested in helping you out.....

iguana

billy the squid wrote:

Ah but that would put two county managers out of work. do you thing the Fianna Fail cronies would go for the axing of two unnecessary civil servants.

See, there I go forgetting that logic will get you nowhere with our government.:rolleyes:

Ok then how about this. They can keep the city manager and the two county managers but introduce the new office of Super Duristiction Manager!!!! Then instaed of losing two managers, they would gain an extra one.

Yes it is a huge waste of money, but it is Fianna Fail so on that fact alone the idea might appeal to them.;)

billy the squid

iguana wrote:

See, there I go forgetting that logic will get you nowhere with our government.:rolleyes:

Ok then how about this. They can keep the city manager and the two county managers but introduce the new office of Super Duristiction Manager!!!! Then instaed of losing two managers, they would gain an extra one.

Yes it is a huge waste of money, but it is Fianna Fail so on that fact alone the idea might appeal to them.;)

Well there would ahve to be a consultant hired to look into the possibility of that idea.

plus it would only work if he gets disturbance pay as per public sector union guidlines:D

how about thsi. we swap the county names. clare could be Limerick and Liemrick would be Clare. then the parteen people would want to be back in Clare again therefore accepting the proposal for a boundry extention.

when they are firmly within our grip we switch the names back when they are not looking, there will be nothing they can do

1huge1

get the hell on with the boundary extension and f*** the money mean county octupuses out of the way!

from mysterious

Thats very unfair im from and i live in the county and I would like to see the city get a extention and i who are you to blame it on the county huh
the county council is actually in the city you idiot so before you start calling names get the facts

billy the squid

take a weeks break for personal abuse.

mysterious

1huge1 wrote:

get the hell on with the boundary extension and f*** the money mean county octupuses out of the way!

from mysterious

Thats very unfair im from and i live in the county and I would like to see the city get a extention and i who are you to blame it on the county huh
the county council is actually in the city you idiot so before you start calling names get the facts

Sorry, I meant the councillors and the lobby people who are trying to stop the extension from going ahead, the Fact is most people in the county are with the boundary proprosal!!

take back what you said "idiot" I never argued that county council is not in the city, Most idiots know that btw,
Chill and take holiday!

IceHawk

The problem isn't so much with areas like parteen as with places like Caherdavin and Raheen. The County Councils are making millions off the businesses in these areas, which people in the city provide with revenue. The Councils aren't just going to agree to giving up as huge a source of revenue as the city's suburbs. The Obvious move would be to make this a big election issue, as this would force the government to do something about it.

As for renaming Limerick City to Clare, I don't know why, but that actually made me physically shiver. People have too much pride in their own areas to accept that change. Why not leave Limerick as Limerick but combine the counties under a new name? The only problem with that is the republicans are going to have to change all the graffiti looking for a '31 County republic'

bazz26

1huge1 wrote:

get the hell on with the boundary extension and f*** the money mean county octupuses out of the way!

from mysterious

Thats very unfair im from and i live in the county and I would like to see the city get a extention and i who are you to blame it on the county huh
the county council is actually in the city you idiot so before you start calling names get the facts

I think the new County Council offices next to the Cresent Shopping Centre are technically in the county as I think that area is outside the city boundry as is much of Raheen.

The old County Council office (Motor Tax office) is of course still in the city on Mallow Street though.

billy the squid

the old county cuoncil building occupied three georgian buildings on o connell street.

jonski

bazz26 wrote:

I think the new County Council offices next to the Cresent Shopping Centre are technically in the county as I think that area is outside the city boundry as is much of Raheen.

The boundary line runs along the river just before the cresent

ricey

I say Clare can keep Clare Limerick dont want it...lol

limerick_man

billy the squid wrote:

well if it were up to me I would extend the border as far as shannon.

I would rename shannon airport to Limerick International airport.

... kinda biased are we??? Its pointless, as much as we like to think Shannon is Limerick's airport (and I do) it actually was positioned for the west of Ireland, not just for Limerick city but for the areas of ... nothingness!

i still think we should change limerick_man's name to clare_man for a laugh - if not for SSF

tut tut! While we're at that why not change yours to ....... um ..... give me a sec. ...... awwww....

Anywho .... on your original idea... NO! Terrible idea! On the idea of merging all three councils, WTF? ... in that case why not cut down to one for the entire country... the whole point is that thry are regionalised! That would be HUGE amount of land, look how fceked up Cork and Galway are!

What I firmly beleive would help many of our problems would be a partnership between the coco and city council, that they would share money and equipment! Also seeing as the funding would go between them ... council housing would be shared intrest, and from there it would be easy for the council to pick certain people etc., who thy feel arnt adding to Limerick City and build an entire new town or village... which would of course need local people to work in the local post office, shops, bars, and other buildings! Also seeing as the coco.'s problem with the boundary extension is that they will lose out on alot of money from business' etc., that would no longer be a problem!!!

billy the squid

limerick_man wrote:

What I firmly beleive would help many of our problems would be a partnership between the coco and city council, that they would share money and equipment! Also seeing as the funding would go between them ... council housing would be shared intrest

something would have to be done though about Limerick CCs debt. I wouldnt imagine that any council would be willing to give up being in the black to take on the 7 million debt owed by the city council.

all things considered though its down from 18 million so they must be cutting back on absoloutely everything or doing something miraculous.

limerick_man

Yeah, .... *ahem, the new building in Peoples Park, ahem*

phonemonkey

I think that clare rejecting the extension is stupid, parteen etc wouldent even exsist if it werent for limerick, most of the people use limerick to work, play etc. It was also confirmed that it would save clare co co money to allow the extension. I can see limerick co cos objection but again its stupid as limerick council has agreed to pay limerick co co money to make up the loss of revenue. The whole argument of not being accociated with limerick is ridicouious aswell, if someone asked where they were from theyed answer somewhere near limerick.and so what if limerick has a bad rep most of the violence is isolated to a group of scumbags who probably deserved getting their heads kicked in the first place. I love liveing in limerick Ive been all round the world and limerick can stand with head high compaired to some of the places Ive been

spinalsly

nicely said monkey

limerick_man

Yeah, Limerick is a fantastic city, and will be really great once the city begins to get resources!

1huge1

ricey wrote:

I say Clare can keep Clare Limerick dont want it...lol

ya well dublin is going into wicklow,kildare and meath and people still are calling it dublin.

chubba1984

they should just make the shannon the border (as used to be the case) and let clare have the gaelic grounds and thomond park!

Amazotheamazing

You are sadly mistaken chubba, the Shannon was only used as boundary by the british since famine times, prior to that Limerick city's boundary was 5 times larger than it is today. It's origins probably goes back to the kingdom of Thomond. Historically lands on the far side of the Shannon were always Limerick's until the british changed it.

Trouble

Jeeze Louise....The Limerick City Boundary Extention is totally necessary development which will improve the lives of exeryone in the whole region ie having a proper city at thier disposal. There are some contensious issues (the inclusion of townlands like parteen into Limerick but altogether its proposal involves taking a measley 1,621 hectares from Clare. The subjected towland is as follows:
'Limerick N. Rural ED Limerick S. Rural ED Ballycummin ED Ballyglass ED
Clonmacken* Rathurd (Limerick S)* Ballykeefe* Garraun* (Ballyglass) Caherdavin* Rosbrien* Gouldavoher* QuinspoolSouth*Knock* BallysheedyEast* Dooradoyle* Parteen*
Shanabooley* Rathbane South* Sluggary* St. Thomas' Island* Ballygrennan* RebogeMeadow* Ballycummin* Fairyhill*
Cloncanane* Reboge* Bunlicky Kilquane*Clondrinagh Singland* Skehacreggaun Knockballynameath*
Coonagh East Banemore Baunacloka Gortatogher* Coonagh West Bohereen Caheranardrish Ballykeelaun* (part)
Crossagalla Castlemungret Athlunkard*Ballysimon ED Crabbes Land Conigar Shannakyle*
Monaclinoe Dromdarrig Cloonoughter*Ballysimon* Inchmore Loughlanleagh QuinnspoolNorth
Newtown* Loughmore Common Rosmadda East Kilbane* Ballyvarra ED Lurraga RosmaddaWest
Newcastle* ClooncarhyCastletroy* Monteen Rathmale Cappavilla ED
Dromroe* RiversSreelane* Gilloge
Garryglass Roxborough ED GarraunKnockananty Srawickeen
Ballysimon Staunton Ballysheedy West* Towlerton Routagh* Killeely ED
Rathurd(Rox)Bohereen(Rox) Gortgarraun
BallycannonEDKnockalisheen



from (http://www.limerickcity.ie/services/planning/pl_CityBoundaryExtension_2004-10-Proposal.html)

If something is not done limerick will no longer be a city because by european standards the population of Limerick is in fear of becoming too small to be a 'City' and will become a town, which is really bad news for the whole Shannon region, and Limericks neighbours ie Clare
As for swopping Clare and Limerick? Huh??? I'd like to see how that would work

Trouble

I could always help the dwindling population of Limerick fiasco by moving back there........... But my sanity is more important to me!!!!

billy the squid

Trouble wrote:

I could always help the dwindling population of Limerick fiasco by moving back there........... But my sanity is more important to me!!!!

we'll try, but i think we will manage.

Tiriel

Physically, it would seem like a good idea and economically for the city council.. a great idea. But.. for the county council.. it would mean a gigantic cut in financial gain. The rural economy of Co. Limerick cannot provide sufficient financial support, as their retail and office developments come no where near those they have at present. So what's the solution?! Expand the urban potential of the larger towns and settlements in Co. Limerick.. the likes of Newcastlewest, Kilmallock and say Rathkeale? Can you see that happening?

Trouble

Yes but all those people living in County Council area's are of such a proximity to the city anyway. If the boundary was extended then the people effected would be under the City council. And the County Council would be left to deal with what they should be dealing with, the County. To be honest heavely populated areas like castletroy and raheen should not be under the County Counci for many reasons ie water supply, polution etc. The City council would be far better equiped to deal with these things if these areas were actually technically in the city.

billy the squid

But the City Council is offering to compensate the county council financially for any revenue lost as a result of the expansion.

I am of the opinion that Limerick city council and county council should be merged.

I am curious though how they are able to run Dublin city through three different county councils and they seem to be doing ok.

Tiriel

I see your points.. but..

1. Financial compensation now means very little in 10 years time..
2. Merging both city and county councils.. just don't think it's a good idea. As it is there is a lot of friction between the two .. not to mention anything else. A city needs an independent authority.. I suppose they provide competition for each other even..
3. Yes I agree with the population density argument, it does seem appropriate that urbanised areas would be more suitably catered for by the city council.. but not always the case. How is the city dealing with other suburban areas in Limerick??? How successful are they?

Trouble

Yes that does make sense cork girl but the main problem is that Limerick does not have enough room to grow, mainly due to bad planning originally (what else is new!) the current boundaries were laid in 1950, and in the early 70's the 1st application was made to extend it. The population then was around 57,000. the population not too much higher than that now, so its clear to see that growth is something that the city needs,
Regarding the council, Limerick City Council is going to compensate the County council.
Due to the way that they operate now, the people of limerick city, who are not technically in the city have a lower quality of the efficency of services as the county council has to take the rural hinterland as a higher priority.
If it does go ahead, it will give the county council the opportunity to deliver an efficent service to the rural hinterland and the City council to deliver to the people actually in the city.

Tiriel

It would be interesting to see what they have planned to do with the extra space .. in relation to the existing fabric of the area say around the Crescent.. would it mean the rezoning of areas to allow for higher densities, making a difference to existing residents who consider themselves in a suburban environment?

Trouble

I don't think that the extension plans are for the purpose of re-zoning, there is tremendous growth in those areas as it is, and im sure that that would continue at an accetable level as it is at the moment, the crux of the problem is Limericks future development as a European City. This will be impossible without the extension as the population will never rise in line with the rest of Europe and Limerick would be just left behind.

Tiriel

fair enough.. though it is getting the new Coonagh Cross Retail development isn't it? sounds like it should be a pretty big boost to the city, and the new architecture faculty in UL.. Limerick isn't really falling behind either. That's something that Cork I'm sure would have liked to attract..

on the extension matter.. I'm still not completely sold.. definitely don't agree with the whole Clare city!! idea.. but also think that Limerick has the potential to market itself for what it is.. strategically its location is pretty good.. and if the new transport plans ever see the light of day it would be great for the city.

A lot of brownfield, derelict and underused premises should really be looked into too though in the city centre. The city has a lot of potential within the boundary as it is.. which is currently being neglected imo

Trouble

Between 1951, approximately the date of the last boundary extension,
and 1981 the population of Limerick City increased by 0.59 per cent
per annum rising from 50,828 persons in 1951 to 60,736 persons in
1981. Over the subsequent fifteen years to 1996 the population of the
City declined by 1.02 per cent per annum falling from 60,736 persons
in 1981 to 52,039 in 1996. The net effect of population growth and
decline over the forty five years from 1951 to 1996 was an increase of
1,211 persons, 2.38 per cent, in the population of Limerick City (see
again Table 1). Between 1996 and 2002 the population of the City rose
slightly to 54,058 persons ñ an increase of 3.8%. Overall in the 51 years
since 1951 an increase of 6.3% was recorded in the City population.

C.2.2 In sharp contrast the populations of the State and the Mid-West Region
increased by 32.3 and 21.4 per cent respectively over the same period.
Similarly the populations in Counties Clare and Limerick increased by
26.9 and 34.1 per cent respectively (see again Table 1).
(source: http://www.limerickcity.ie/services/planning/pl_CityBoundaryExtension_2004-10-Proposal.html)

This is grossly uneven and the reason is that that the areas considered 'county' are actually really in the city, Unless everyone was to dig up thier houses and physically drop them into the current city boundary, the population counts will remain dramatically low and Limerick may as well fall off into the Shannon!

mysterious

Well it looks like the boundary issue is'nt going to be sorted anytime soon!!

What can we do in teh meantime to keep this city running despite the pressures??

Would higher densities be an option?
making this city more attractive by having marina facilties etc?

this city has a lot of potential with the River shannon as an asset.
Maybe a few more highrises on the Ennis Road site overlooking the river, just like the Riverpoint. I supppose the Riverpoint added a few hundred people into our boundary ,I dont see anything wrong with them going up there if there around 20 storeys, I'm not going to reaact to the caustic phoabia people that are against anything higher than 5 storeys ala lal la la .

this city needs growth, It can't sustain under the present population rates growing marginally. the city has very little land left to expand anyway/

billy the squid

The question about high rises though is, have we roads in the city limits wide enough to cater for the amount of traffic which would be generated from these high rises?

mysterious

billy the squid wrote:

The question about high rises though is, have we roads in the city limits wide enough to cater for the amount of traffic which would be generated from these high rises?

Well the Ennis road area could do with a few more distrubuter roads and I heard recently the new shannon tunnell will halve the traffic curently passing the bridges, and a revamp of the public transport , this will cost money of course maybe, even a metro:D

1huge1

Cork_girl wrote:

Physically, it would seem like a good idea and economically for the city council.. a great idea. But.. for the county council.. it would mean a gigantic cut in financial gain. The rural economy of Co. Limerick cannot provide sufficient financial support, as their retail and office developments come no where near those they have at present. So what's the solution?! Expand the urban potential of the larger towns and settlements in Co. Limerick.. the likes of Newcastlewest, Kilmallock and say Rathkeale? Can you see that happening?

and hospital we are one of the biggest towns in limerick county

spinalsly

so whats the latest news on the boundary proposal
wasnt a new proposal sent up to dublin or something?
when should we hear new news on that??
this is so essential, the city itself needs it if it wants to grow further and keep up with cities like galway.