Hypnotize

pants on fire

I read that thread below about system's upcoming album Hypnotize, and wasnt too happy about what some people were saying.

One or two people commented on the fact that they thought it was money hungry to release essentially a double disc album on 2 seperate dates.
You say that like its some kinda flaw in the band and for some reason, whenever a band becomes 'all about the money', they start losing fans eg Metallica.
But the fact of the matter is if you were in a top band, and you were offered a chance to make more money, you would, to a certain extent. Its as simple as that. Its human nature.
But this argument is irrelevant anyway, because their motives mainly weren't money. Daaron practically wrote those 2 albums, and he felt that there was too much music between the 2 albums for anyone to appreciate at one time. Hence the 6 month gap between release dates.
As a system fan, I salute that. Respect.

Also, what the hell is with people talking about some of the songs 'not being as heavy' as songs on previous albums?!
It really gets my goat when people say this about a band!!
So what if a song isn't heavy?! Why should it be? I really love music, mostly heavy rock etc, but not because its heavy and aggressive.
Its because I reckon the music behind the heaviness is some of the best music around.
So when system come out with a non-heavy song, I'd barely notice it. Its the musical genius and the lyrics that catch my attention!!
Anyone that likes a band just because they're heavy...has the musical IQ of a dead cat.

ITs only €20 anyway!!

Parsley

When's this album out, if it ain't already?

dimerocks

20 euros to most of their fans is a big deal because most of the fans a poor college students.

Maccattack

pants on fire wrote:

But this argument is irrelevant anyway, because their motives mainly weren't money. Daaron practically wrote those 2 albums, and he felt that there was too much music between the 2 albums for anyone to appreciate at one time. Hence the 6 month gap between release dates.
As a system fan, I salute that. Respect.

So why dont they sell them for a tenner each?

garthv

Maccattack wrote:

So why dont they sell them for a tenner each?

Its not up to the band on how much to sell them for, I hate when people tarnish the good name of a band just because HMV/Virgin etc charge extortionate prices for albums.
The reason for the two albums was to get out of their current contract deal not to capitalise on money gains.

gucci

pants on fire wrote:

Its the musical genius and the lyrics that catch my attention!!

hence why i wrote my rant about the album been muck, their 3previous albums exibited creativity, innovative , strange, different, all in abundance, hypnotise is so bland and poorly consructed,ie all the strong stuff at the start, i reeks of money grabbing. im still a fan but a very disappointed and increasingly skeptical one. they havnt quite pulled a metallica on it but im getting worried

:Keith:

It think the album is out on the 20th or 21st of this month.

pbsuxok1znja4r

Besides, for some of the albums I've bought, €20 is nothing compared to the years of enjoyment I've had/will have from them.
I paid nearly €30 quid in HMV for a Glassjaw album several moths ago, an have never once looked back.
Off-topic: What the **** did they do the HMV on Grafton street?! The metal section has disappeared!

Somnus

pants on fire wrote:

I read that thread below about system's upcoming album Hypnotize, and wasnt too happy about what some people were saying.

One or two people commented on the fact that they thought it was money hungry to release essentially a double disc album on 2 seperate dates.
You say that like its some kinda flaw in the band and for some reason, whenever a band becomes 'all about the money', they start losing fans eg Metallica.
But the fact of the matter is if you were in a top band, and you were offered a chance to make more money, you would, to a certain extent. Its as simple as that. Its human nature.
But this argument is irrelevant anyway, because their motives mainly weren't money. Daaron practically wrote those 2 albums, and he felt that there was too much music between the 2 albums for anyone to appreciate at one time. Hence the 6 month gap between release dates.
As a system fan, I salute that. Respect.

Also, what the hell is with people talking about some of the songs 'not being as heavy' as songs on previous albums?!
It really gets my goat when people say this about a band!!
So what if a song isn't heavy?! Why should it be? I really love music, mostly heavy rock etc, but not because its heavy and aggressive.
Its because I reckon the music behind the heaviness is some of the best music around.
So when system come out with a non-heavy song, I'd barely notice it. Its the musical genius and the lyrics that catch my attention!!
Anyone that likes a band just because they're heavy...has the musical IQ of a dead cat.

ITs only €20 anyway!!

Damn straight.The whole thing, damn straight. I think the same

Numina

I've heard Hypnotize, Holy Mountain and Kill Rock N' Roll, and it's gonna be a great album from what I can tell. also, another reason why Hypnotize and Mesmerize are seperated into 2 albums is because SOAD wanted to get of their record deal faster. (don't quote me on that)

senordingdong

pants on fire wrote:

I read that thread below about system's upcoming album Hypnotize, and wasnt too happy about what some people were saying.

One or two people commented on the fact that they thought it was money hungry to release essentially a double disc album on 2 seperate dates.

Double disc album? I'm not saying that it should have been double discs, I'm saying both disc, including the terrible 'filler' songs, could have fit on one disc.
That to me is pathetic.

Why is it acceptable for them to release an album of tripe that is only thirty minutes long for twenty five euro?
That's insulting to me...then to do it all again six months later and just expect fans to lap it up is just a slap in the face.

Then they have the cheek to moan about people downloading music.

P.S....will everybody stop rabbiting on about how they apparently did it to get off their record label because none of you can seem to post any proof and that stilldoesn't justify them screwing their fans like that.

Crucifix

dimerocks wrote:

20 euros to most of their fans is a big deal because most of the fans a poor college students.

Exactly. Twenty euro is a fortune for me. I can only afford a CD once in a blue moon.

Civilian_Target

senordingdong wrote:

Then they have the cheek to moan about people downloading music.

Really? Thats news to me. Remember, these are the guys who released a disc called "Steal This Album"

:Keith:

senordingdong wrote:

Then they have the cheek to moan about people downloading music.

Can you prove that? I haven't seen them moan about downloading.

Oeneus

Tripe? Mezmorize is probably the only album i've bought this year where every single song on the album was nothing but 100% entertainment.
Hypnotize will be just as good, and I'm counting the days...

Black hole sun

Civilian_Target wrote:

Really? Thats news to me. Remember, these are the guys who released a disc called "Steal This Album"

Thats why its called "Steal This Album" because people downloaded most of the songs on it before it was released.

senordingdong

Civilian_Target wrote:

Really? Thats news to me. Remember, these are the guys who released a disc called "Steal This Album"

Yeah...which was released becasue everyone was downloading those unused songs

Ya know...to counter the fact that people were 'stealing' it.

chupacabra

I found this on Blabbermouth.net

When they recorded Toxicity, they had about 30 or so songs done, and obviously only 14 made it on the album.

The rest of the songs had been circulating around the internet. Lots of people (including myself) already had them. At ozzfest '02, Darren said "Here's a song you guys all got off the internet!"

And what Darren has said in interviews, is that he doesn't care so much about people downloading them, but it's the fact that they're unmixed and really rought copies. So then they released the album with the songs mixed, some extra backup vocals, etc.

I'm amazed it only went platinum now based off the success they had at that point in time. I guess everyone did steel it ;-)

So apparently they were doing there fans a service. lol

Anto and Moe

Mez rocked, especially Cigaro (had2be the bestest best)! I'll admit that I didn't like a few of the softer songs though, does anyone know what were looking foward 2 from Hypno?

senordingdong

chupacabra wrote:

I found this on Blabbermouth.net




So apparently they were doing there fans a service. lol

Doing us a service?....by releasing an album of songs that we already had or could have gotten for free?...(with some minor tweaks to them)

Songs that weren't good enough for Toxicity in the first place.

I'm not saying they're grubby or greedy or anything, I'm just saying they're losing it.

projectmayhem

scouser.tommy wrote:

I paid nearly €30 quid in HMV for a Glassjaw album several moths ago, an have never once looked back.
Off-topic: What the **** did they do the HMV on Grafton street?! The metal section has disappeared!

first off you were ripped off. glassjaw albums are everywhere, normal prices!

and they put the metal section in the basement. i had to ask someone today

Somnus

senordingdong wrote:

then to do it all again six months later and just expect fans to lap it up is just a slap in the face.

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I dont think the fans will mind. I dont, i mean if a band you like release an album your gonna want it and if you really like them you wont mind paying 25 euro for it.

Somnus

projectmayhem wrote:

they put the metal section in the basement. i had to ask someone today

Thanks for that, i was wondering aswell.

Tar.Aldarion

projectmayhem wrote:

first off you were ripped off. glassjaw albums are everywhere, normal prices!

and they put the metal section in the basement. i had to ask someone today

Ah!!!!!
Thanks for that!

mc nuggets

projectmayhem wrote:

and they put the metal section in the basement. i had to ask someone today

Thanks for that I couldn't find it last time. And all this stuff about the songs on mezmerize not being heavy enough is bollox, who listens to music because it is "heavy" if you didn't like them just say it was crap, anyway most people like a bit of diversity.

gucci

ok they were just crap

pbsuxok1znja4r

projectmayhem wrote:

first off you were ripped off. glassjaw albums are everywhere, normal prices!

and they put the metal section in the basement. i had to ask someone today

Oh right, cheers.

Well, at the time, this was the only place I could find that particular Glassjaw album. It was Worship & Tribute, and you actually don't see that in too many shops. Meh, it's great album, I'm not bothered. :v:

projectmayhem

scouser.tommy wrote:

Meh, it's great album, I'm not bothered. :v:

true enough

christophicus

All you people that didnt know where the metal section had gone,Why didnt you ask a member of staff?I was up there yesterday and was also confused but i asked on eof the staff members.

senordingdong

Dr.Poca wrote:

I dont think the fans will mind. I dont, i mean if a band you like release an album your gonna want it and if you really like them you wont mind paying 25 euro for it.

I am/was a fan and it bothers me.

I don't mind waiting and paying for quality material.
So long as it is quality.

:Keith:

I just heard the album and IMO alot of it seems like filler tracks.Th only tracks that stood out from it for me were Hypnotize, Lonely Day and Soldier Side.

Somnus

senordingdong wrote:

I am/was a fan and it bothers me.

I don't mind waiting and paying for quality material.
So long as it is quality.

Well you see when i comes to music you cant just say its not quality because you dont like it senordingdong

garthv

:Keith: wrote:

I just heard the album and IMO alot of it seems like filler tracks.Th only tracks that stood out from it for me were Hypnotize, Lonely Day and Soldier Side.

What???
I got it last night and what an album!I havent stopped listening to it since!

:Keith:

In each their own I suppose. Then again I've only listened to it once as far. Maybe it'll grow on me.

:Keith:

I'd like to retract my previous statement. I'm playing the album again and I'm only on "Dreaming" now and I was definitely wrong about the album. I blame my Media Player I only noticed today that someone had been setting about with the music settings so all the instruments and the vocals sounded to be on the same level.

senordingdong

Dr.Poca wrote:

Well you see when i comes to music you cant just say its not quality because you dont like it senordingdong

What I said wasn't in relation to my personal preferences. It was about how we're expoected to pay that much for a cd of what length?...33 minutes I believe?
They seem to be pissing on a cd and slapping a price tag on it, which bothers me when I see so many of my other favourite bands pour their blood, sweat and tears into an album.

Somnus

senordingdong wrote:

What I said wasn't in relation to my personal preferences. It was about how we're expoected to pay that much for a cd of what length?...33 minutes I believe?
They seem to be pissing on a cd and slapping a price tag on it, which bothers me when I see so many of my other favourite bands pour their blood, sweat and tears into an album.

Yeah i know what you mean, i suppose it would have bothered me if i didnt like it

senordingdong

Well, no matter how much you like it...you can't deny that an album being only 33minutes long is a dissapointment.

Somnus

Well if i ike it i obviously wasnt dissapointed...

senordingdong

Not even by the fact that it is only thirty three minutes long?

Somnus

not really no, their albums have never been really long. And i dont mind if an album is short.Thats just me though

Civilian_Target

senordingdong wrote:

Well, no matter how much you like it...you can't deny that an album being only 33minutes long is a dissapointment.

Thats utter bollocks IMO. Go listen to "Sing Sing Death House" by The Distillers. 28 minutes of excellent punk, no filler and its all the better for it.

I'd rather have 30 mins pure power than 45 mins thats 1/3rd filler....

jonnybadd

Listened to the new album a couple of times now and I can't say there's one song on the album I like.

It's all filler, sounds exactly like the filler on the last one, at least on the other one their were a few songs that stood out from the crowd, and were worth a listen.

Very poor form from the lads, I loved their first three albums but rarely listen to the last one and doubt i'll listen to the new one much.

garthv

jonnybadd wrote:

Listened to the new album a couple of times now and I can't say there's one song on the album I like.

It's all filler, sounds exactly like the filler on the last one, at least on the other one their were a few songs that stood out from the crowd, and were worth a listen.

Very poor form from the lads, I loved their first three albums but rarely listen to the last one and doubt i'll listen to the new one much.

Each to their own
System Of A Down havent made a bad album yet imo. They were the band that got me into rock and i will die listening to them.
System forever!

green head

I HATE TO break this to anybody because it **** as im a system fan myself
things are goin down hill from here......
first album was unreal... the second steal this album was excelent .....
toxcity was crazy......... mezmerise is very melodic which i dont think suites the band.....hypotize????????????????? ya its gonna be ****... go to www.systemofadown.com and you can here some of the songs im tellin ya there ****........
i no its heart breaking but it happens to every band............metallica........
........gun n roses..........cyclefly..........papa roach.....the list goes on my friends

:v: :v: :v: :v: :v: :v: :v: :v: :v: :v: :eek:

Somnus

Its all opinion.....

chupacabra

Look saying its all opinion is good and well but I have been a LONG! time fan of system, and I just got Hypnotize (the album) of my "cousin" and I must say its just a festering pile of scum if ive ever seen it, the song Hypnotize is the only half decent crud off this album and I would almost consider talking a PlSS on holy mountain but I mean from a band that came from being the coolest band ever with the self titled album and then blowing me away with toxicity, they have truly deviated beyond the field of metal. Basically they are just rock now, no more screaming vocals, no more meaningful lyrics (cmon one song is just all serge saying "terracotta pie"), no more cool riffs, just songs that start and end with predictable acoustic or low gain terrible licks, I mean cmon. They are done and that is that.

gucci

first of all to greenhead, at what stage did papa roach turn crap because i didnt realise they ever moved out of that category......but lets not get sidetracked from the important issue here and that is SOAD chopping off the balls and making a testicle sandwich and deciding not to sell that sandwich in the form of the mezmerize/hypnotize album.

from wat i read chupacrca (sorry cant remember the confusing spelling) has summed up alot of what used to be good bout soad and so therefore can pass a valuable opinion on the hypnotize........thats it,their over,history,im just glad i got to see them at the start of the summer when the could only poullute the setlist with 3 or 4 of the new songs.

i hope its not S.O.A.D.R.I.P. il wait til i hear the new one a few times before i officially throw in the system of a down tshirt that i sometimes like to use as a towel

blondie28

i ashamed 2 say it but i haven't been a fan o system 4 long. even worse is the fact that i didn't know the existed until a friend o mine gave me steal this album 4 a present. I'm totaly hooked and can't wait 4 hypnotise. I have a load o my friends listenin 2 dem and i'm gonin 2 b a loyal supporter.

rock on system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. if u don't like system fine but don't go badmouthin a good band!

eljono

I'd like to say that the original post was spot on. I think Mesmerize is a great album, very addictive and some brilliant melodies. Ya, it's different from their last albums but different doesn't have to mean bad. The first time I listened to it, I wasn't that impressed. Picked out a few songs and played them on their own a few times. It was a couple of weeks later that I listened to the full album again and I don't know what had changed but I loved it and still do. It's definately one of their best musical efforts so far. I can't wait for Hypnotize.

P.S. For people complaining about the price, you can buy either on play.com for €14.49 delivered.

Somnus

So i just listened to hypnotize and in my opinion its brilliant. Its better than Mezmerize anyway although those who didnt like Mezmerize may not like it.