All In Poker

bohsman

The site has just gone live, anyone that hasnt heard about the site have a look at the website for info. Basically 51% of revenue will be given back to the players, instead of your own rakeback you will make money through anyone that signs up after you up to a maximum of 96000 people

Its on the Prima Network and anyone that signs up through this link

click here to sign up

will be entered into a freeroll for a ticket into the Monte Carlo Millions

By signing up through this link you will be joining the Boards downline which means that you can make money for boards and anyone that signs up after you will make money for you AND boards.

Culchie

and you can PM me if you want as well

Doc Farrell

ok Oscar,

I've logged on via ur link.

When does the money start rolling in?

Who gets it and more importantly, how much do i get?

I guess if anyone wants my sponsor id they can have too, just like culchie.

cheers, Des

ntlbell

the site has been down all night for me?

Doc Farrell

hey oscar, when u say boards will get money do you mean Oscar Fred or boards or both or both plus me or....


explain to your uncle Dessie, i'm confused....

ntlbell

Doc Farrell wrote:

hey oscar, when u say boards will get money do you mean Oscar Fred or boards or both or both plus me or....


explain to your uncle Dessie, i'm confused....

confused or drunkies?

bohsman

Doc Farrell wrote:

ok Oscar,

I've logged on via ur link.

When does the money start rolling in?

Who gets it and more importantly, how much do i get?

I guess if anyone wants my sponsor id they can have too, just like culchie.

cheers, Des

https://www.allinpoker.com/aip/corporate/Brochure.jsp

That should answer all your questions Des

Tourneque

Don't mean to be a doubting Thomas but those diagrams look and smell remarkable like Pyramid schemes ... am I alone in this ?

Doc Farrell

i've read it in its entirety.

so it does go to you and not boards (well accept for a tiny bit).

you cheeky monkey!

level 7 here we come. :eek:

oscar we're gonna be rich!

its just like being in the Scientologists!

or that pyramid scheme i lost me shirt in...... :mad:

wait a minute......

bohsman

The money other sites spend on marketing - 51% in this case will instead be given to members through downlines as shown in said diagrams.

As I see it its not a pyramid scheme because it stops after 7 levels and is basically money you would not be getting on other sites so I dont see the problem

bohsman

Doc Farrell wrote:

i've read it in its entirety.

so it does go to you and not boards (well accept for a tiny bit).

you cheeky monkey!

level 7 here we come. :eek:

oscar we're gonna be rich!

its just like being in the Scientologists!

or that pyramid scheme i lost me shirt in...... :mad:

wait a minute......

Boards get as much as I do, each person can only have 5 below them, I am one of the 5 below boards you are in boards second level, as more people sign up through either of us or boards they will come in below us

amp

I had the same reaction Des but when I looked into it, I found that it's a genius idea which uses the same way that boards itself has grown - word of mouth. So instead of the money normally paid out to hired WPT finalists and other expensive marketing it's given back to players.

Even at level 7 where players don't get their rake back, they still get into what could be huge prize money freerolls. Compare that to other internet poker sites where 100% of the rake/reg fee goes to the company which they don't give back. Essentially it's the same idea as say, recommending a friend to Sky + except you don't pay anymore than you'd normally be paying in a cash game.

AmarilloFats

Whats the story with changing the lock on "your Level 1".
I did not check this option when I reg'd.!!
Why is this given as an option?

Shortstack

AmarilloFats wrote:

Whats the story with changing the lock on "your Level 1".
I did not check this option when I reg'd.!!
Why is this given as an option?

You can lock your level one to stop random people dropping into it from above if you want to invite specific people into it.

AmarilloFats

Ah ok...I will od that..Thanks SS

DeVore

Antesup are involved in this and we checked it out thoroughly, its not a pyramid scheme because you don't have to pay anything to the people above you or do anything at all if you dont want to. It IS a bit of a genius idea, whether it works or not, I dunno but I dont want to NOT be there if it does. I'll still be playing PPP.com and this, to cover my bets

To verify what Oscar said, Boards will get as much as anyone in the 7 deep chain from the rake back. Noone is getting ripped here, apart from the advertising and marketing executives who lose out on big contracts and I wont be crying for them.

DeV.

davidgti

ya i like to look of it so when is this starting???:p

DeVore

Later this evening I expect.

DeV.

hotspur

This is really interesting I think, nice to see a novel approach. It should be pointed out that this is an Irish based company (well it's HQ is in Bray anyway), it's Access Gaming Systems which is a serious player, so I'm going to try to support it anyway. I think it's a great way to capitalise on the whole affiliate and rakeback phenomenon.

A worry I have is that it may lead to the worst kind of aggressive affilateship spamming, which may harm the site's name. Also people tend to be impatient and given that it's slowly built pay off it's gonna have to be a massive hit immediately to retain people's efforts, and given that they claim they are not putting their money into marketing it, how is that going to happen?

I could be persuaded to head off to Scandanavia where all the Prima players live with my account number and a whaling gun to get them to all switch to the All In skin, but their site isn't allowing registration at the moment - maintenance - so I can't join.

I can picture myself with a gun and Zweig (Prahlad Friedman) and Michael Thuritz up against the wall with dollar signs in my eyes thinking about their rake money...

If anyone from All In poker / All In Marketing / Access Gaming is reading the very best of luck to you with it

Shortstack

hotspur wrote:

This is really interesting I think, nice to see a novel approach. It should be pointed out that this is an Irish based company (well it's HQ is in Bray anyway), it's Access Gaming Systems which is a serious player, so I'm going to try to support it anyway. I think it's a great way to capitalise on the whole affiliate and rakeback phenomenon.

A worry I have is that it may lead to the worst kind of aggressive affilateship spamming, which may harm the site's name. Also people tend to be impatient and given that it's slowly built pay off it's gonna have to be a massive hit immediately to retain people's efforts, and given that they claim they are not putting their money into marketing it, how is that going to happen?

I could be persuaded to head off to Scandanavia where all the Prima players live with my account number and a whaling gun to get them to all switch to the All In skin, but their site isn't allowing registration at the moment - maintenance - so I can't join.

I can picture myself with a gun and Zweig (Prahlad Friedman) and Michael Thuritz up against the wall with dollar signs in my eyes thinking about their rake money...

If anyone from All In poker / All In Marketing / Access Gaming is reading the very best of luck to you with it

The fact that most of the players on Prima are Scandies is a great reason to join the site. Just wait for one of them to go all in when you have the nuts which they will and you are laughing

More importantly the spamming issue is not going to be any worse than it is now. The spamming affialiates are usually related to many sites and some may add All In to their portfolio but I doubt many will spam it on it's own. Steps will be taken to penalise spammers anyway.

The registration pages will re-open either this evening or first thing in the morning.

DeVore

You cant send the invite mail to the same address within 48 hours apparently and since its hand-sent, there wont be big spam lists being blasted out. Should be ok.
I'll be watching this idea with interest. I saw boards grow from 50 people to 20k in 3 years without even paying the word of mouthers, I wouldnt put it past this to be a big success.

DeV.

Lafortezza

So how exacltly does it work (in small words plz).
I sign up, then email everyone I know in the hope that they join up under my ID, then later down the line, we all profit?

How does boards.ie profit?

Iago

anyone else getting a dll missing error when trying to install?

Culchie

lafortezza wrote:

So how exacltly does it work (in small words plz).
I sign up, then email everyone I know in the hope that they join up under my ID, then later down the line, we all profit?

How does boards.ie profit?

You sign up here https://www.allinpoker.com/aip/registration/register.jsp?refCode=MOA009F

You become part of a downline (7 deep) ... people that sign up from your invite, are part of your downline.

All In poker is a new gateway to the Prima network of poker sites. It is different from all sites because of the revolutionary new way in which they reward their players.

Instead of spending millions on advertising, All In are rewarding players for recommending others to the site. 51% of all rake generated is being put into the scheme.

How does it work?

In a nutshell you get a portion of the rake generated by all the players you recommend as well as the players they recommend as well as some of the players the person who recommended you recommends. To see how it works watch the All In Poker video.

View the All In Poker Video

All In Poker uses a multi level marketing system similar to successful companies such as Amways, Keeneze and Betterware. Instead of selling goods through a catalogue and recruiting new agents you simply get your friends who probably already play online poker to play on All In poker.

How many players can you get a percentage of rake from?

There are seven levels of players you can get a percentage of rake from. The first five players you recommend will go into your first level (This number could be less if you sign up through a strong downline like Antes Up - more about this explained later). For simplicities sake this is called your level one.

The first five players that are recommend by the players on your level one will become their levl one and your level two. Therefore your level two can have up to 25 players. This works down the system up to seven levels. The precentage of a players rake you get varies from level to level.

I have filled my level one, where do the players I recommend after that go?

Ok, so you have recommended 5 players and your level 1 is full. Any more players you recommend will go into your other levels. This means that they will be in a level 1 of a player you have recommended and they will also get a percentage of their rake. You may get up to 2 players referred automatically into your level 1 which means you may have to only recommend 3 to fill it yourself. These additional players that you recieve rake from are called 'auto-referals'. This is why it is important to sign up through a sponsor who may generate a lot of sign ups as you will get some of these players in your downline and earn rake from them.

How much do I get from each player?

Firstly 51% of a player's rake is allocated to this system and of that rake you will get a percentage dependant upon where they lie in your downline. Those percentages are as follows:

Levels 1-3 = 10%
Levels 4-6 = 15%
Level 7 =25%

Notice that ((10%*3) + (15%*3) + 25%) = 100% so all that 51% is being payed back to All In Poker customers.

You can see how much you are due to recieve in the member's lounge within the All In Poker software.

Do I have to do anything else to recieve my share of the rake?

Well, you recieve 25% of what you are due even if you do not play on the site. However if you play 750 raked hands within the month you will get 100% of what you are due. If you play less than 750 raked hands then you will get a smaller amount based on the hands you have played. Tournamnent fees count towards raked hands. Every $1 in tournament fees = 9 raked hands.

bohsman

lafortezza wrote:

So how exacltly does it work (in small words plz).
I sign up, then email everyone I know in the hope that they join up under my ID, then later down the line, we all profit?

How does boards.ie profit?

Boards are above me in the downline (top of the pyramid) so by going through that link boards get 10% of you and anyone you sign up, also by getting in now you should get plenty of automatic entries from people that sign up through boards after you

amp

All those other sign up links are wrong, this one is the correct one:

https://www.allinpoker.com/aip/registration/register.jsp?refCode=AJL009M


(Also I think there's seven on Oscars table)

Ste05

amp wrote:

All those other sign up links are wrong, this one is the correct one:

https://www.allinpoker.com/aip/registration/register.jsp?refCode=SHE02XR


(Also I think there's seven on Oscars table)

I think you'll find it is this one in fact is the correct one - https://www.allinpoker.com/aip/registration/register.jsp?refCode=SHE02XR - its the only one that seems to work for me????

How many pimps to the one site can we get on this thread - lol

Iago

https://www.allinpoker.com/aip/registration/register.jsp?refCode=GDY02XA is of course the correct link

Ste05

Does anyone who signs up under any of our links get a ticket into this freeroll???

bohsman

Ste05 wrote:

Does anyone who signs up under any of our links get a ticket into this freeroll???

If you are in on the boards fitz or antesup downlines and probably a few others

Ste05

Well just signed in under your one

Culchie

Ste05 wrote:

Well just signed in under your one

ggrrr ...Oscar will own the Fitz by the end of the year !

hotspur

I'd like to formally retract my expressed fear that it will lead to excessive pimping lol

sendic

hotspur wrote:

I'd like to formally retract my expressed fear that it will lead to excessive pimping lol

lmao!

im playing at the moment, its quite a nice layout, if not the most easy on the eye

what are the thoughts so far?

Doc Farrell

i hate the software, stopped playing on it last year.

but i suspect and hope that the rakeback is genius.

we shall see baby. c u in the freeroll.

Kimba

Culchie wrote:

ggrrr ...Oscar will own the Fitz by the end of the year !

why would anyone want anything to do with the ownership of the fitz, its only way to go now is down.

Imposter

hmm... I keep getting an error when i try to sign up.
If I do manage it it'll be my 3rd prima account!

I think it'll be interesting to see how much rakeback this actually generates, compared to the existing rb deals!

mewso

Sounds like a nice idea but I think I know maybe one other person who plays poker online. Is everyone saying they know several people they can email about this??

Culchie

I think by signing up Muso, you will get players dropping into your line as well as from Boards and Antes Up recruits.

Marq

It sort of is a pyramid scheme - justa well disgised one. Instead of getting your own rake back, you send it up the line, and get the rakeback of the person below you. So by playing at all-in you are costing yourself the rake you could be getting back through another Prima skin that offers rakeback.

It's still quite enticing because of the size of the rakeback, and the possibility of never even having to play to earn bucketloads of other people's rakeback.

amp

Yeah and you can earn just by playing anyway.

DeVore

Marq wrote:

It sort of is a pyramid scheme - justa well disgised one. Instead of getting your own rake back, you send it up the line, and get the rakeback of the person below you. So by playing at all-in you are costing yourself the rake you could be getting back through another Prima skin that offers rakeback.

It's still quite enticing because of the size of the rakeback, and the possibility of never even having to play to earn bucketloads of other people's rakeback.

I'll happily lose 35% of my piddly rake to get 10-25% of a few dozen people's rake. My rake for a month would be Dave Callaghan's rake for a round of the table

DeV.

Marq

Exactly, I like the system, don't get me wrong. the idea is basically a pyramid scheme, that doesn't mean it doesn't work, or that I don't like it.

DeVore

Imposter wrote:

hmm... I keep getting an error when i try to sign up.
If I do manage it it'll be my 3rd prima account!

I think it'll be interesting to see how much rakeback this actually generates, compared to the existing rb deals!

In the last 24 hours Antesup made 6 euro from about 7-10 people playing about 50-100 hands each. Extrapolating that makes for sweet reading from where I am sitting. Even if you get about 50 people or invitee's invites etc etc (which a blind monkey could do) you should get a few hundred a month by my maths. (YMMV)

DeV.

hotspur

Marq wrote:

It sort of is a pyramid scheme - justa well disgised one.

Well disguised? They are only short of calling themselves Pharaoh Poker Seriously though where Multi-level Marketing ends and a dodgy pyramid scheme begins is a moot point. I don't know enough about the maths of these types of structures to say at what point in the grand scheme of it you really have to be at in order for it to be profitable. But I know that the earlier the better. You don't technically pay money to be involved so it's hardly a danger, though the maths of the system are the same.

A question for those of you who have looked into it more than I have -
Is there a way of looking one's upstream? I signed up under the guy who first posted it here Bohsman, he signed up under Boards. How can I tell how many layers are in my upstream?

More than that who exactly are those at the top of the pyramid? Are they actually people / organisations directly working for or associated with Access Gaming Systems? Given that we have seen up to 50% rakeback elsewhere, wouldn't it be a clever idea to have a poker site which gave that kind of distributed rakeback, but also put itself in a position to be the main earner of affiliateship rakeback? Kind of like a cross between a poker site and an affiliate site. Is this the case or is it purely a marketing phenomenon?

I'm getting players under my downstream, I haven't got the slightest interest in it from a financial point of view, but it's damn interesting to see if it works. And that's the brilliance of it

DeVore

Marq wrote:

Exactly, I like the system, don't get me wrong. the idea is basically a pyramid scheme, that doesn't mean it doesn't work, or that I don't like it.

Indeed but there are two major differences between this and a typical pyramid scheme:

1. In a pyramid scheme you have to pay the people above you, or pay to join etc, on the promise that you will get 5 times that from the poor schmucks you subsequently sign up. That isnt the case here.

2. The last schmuck in the door of a pyramid scheme generally gets it in ass. This is why pyramid schemes collapse and only pay off the top levels. Also, generally by 5 levels in, the entire world would have to be signed up for you to get anything from it, because of the exponential nature of the beast. In this case, the last guy in the door pays nothing extra but gets an entry into the monthly freeroll.
The monthly freeroll is all the rake that WASNT claimed by a player (either through inactivity or because they didnt play all of their 750 hands) added together in a big pot and played for by anyone on the site. Should be interesting to see how much that turns out to be.

DeV.

Culchie

hotspur wrote:

I signed up under the guy who first posted it here Bohsman, he signed up under Boards.:)

And if you all get bored signing under Oscar, there's poor old Culchie here:(

https://www.allinpoker.com/aip/registration/register.jsp?refCode=MOA009F

DeVore

DeVore wrote:

Indeed but there are two major differences between this and a typical pyramid scheme:

1. In a pyramid scheme you have to pay the people above you, or pay to join etc, on the promise that you will get 5 times that from the poor schmucks you subsequently sign up. That isnt the case here.

2. The last schmuck in the door of a pyramid scheme generally gets it in ass. This is why pyramid schemes collapse and only pay off the top levels. Also, generally by 5 levels in, the entire world would have to be signed up for you to get anything from it, because of the exponential nature of the beast. In this case, the last guy in the door pays nothing extra but gets an entry into the monthly freeroll.
The monthly freeroll is all the rake that WASNT claimed by a player (either through inactivity or because they didnt play all of their 750 hands) added together in a big pot and played for by anyone on the site. Should be interesting to see how much that turns out to be.

DeV.

A question for those of you who have looked into it more than I have -
Is there a way of looking one's upstream? I signed up under the guy who first posted it here Bohsman, he signed up under Boards. How can I tell how many layers are in my upstream?

I thought about that too, then I realised, I dont really care. They don't affect me and it doesnt affect my rake or downline since I pay them nothing. In effect everyone is sitting at the top of their own downline, upstream makes no difference.

More than that who exactly are those at the top of the pyramid? Are they actually people / organisations directly working for or associated with Access Gaming Systems? Given that we have seen up to 50% rakeback elsewhere, wouldn't it be a clever idea to have a poker site which gave that kind of distributed rakeback, but also put itself in a position to be the main earner of affiliateship rakeback? Kind of like a cross between a poker site and an affiliate site. Is this the case or is it purely a marketing phenomenon?

They work very closely with Prima and are a skin of them. Prima hold the money that you deposit so you don't have to invest much trust in AIP, though I have been out to see their offices and have spoken to their head guy a few times at various poker events. Seems very much on the level and backed by some serious money.

I'm getting players under my downstream, I haven't got the slightest interest in it from a financial point of view, but it's damn interesting to see if it works. And that's the brilliance of it

It IS a bit addicitive isn't it
I think you'll get a bit more interested financially if those few guys start inviting their regular home game players in etc etc


DeV.

Ste05

DeVore wrote:

Even if you get about 50 people or invitee's invites etc etc (which a blind monkey could do) you should get a few hundred a month by my maths. (YMMV)

Unless you know 50 other people that haven't signed up here, (and actually play for real money) this is actually a very very difficult thing to do, (basically becoming an affiliate, which is already a lucrative and cut-throat industry). I'm not trying to put a dampner onto the proceedings but it's not as easy as you make it sound.....

DeVore

Ste05 wrote:

Unless you know 50 other people that haven't signed up here, (and actually play for real money) this is actually a very very difficult thing to do, (basically becoming an affiliate, which is already a lucrative and cut-throat industry). I'm not trying to put a dampner onto the proceedings but it's not as easy as you make it sound.....

Actually it IS, I think you arent fully understanding the way the downlines work.

YOU don't have to sign up more then a handful of players, say your home game. Say they invite 2 people each. Thats about 20 players. But you are sitting on the second level of Boards and the first level of (say) Amp. So, you when the next person signs up through BOARDS, he may get dropped into your downline. In fact, by the maths about 1/25 of our sign ups will end up being GIVEN to you. They are called Automatic Referals (when someone else gives them to you) or Direct Referals, if you get them yourself.

Now if AMP signs someone up, you have a 1/5 chance of that person ending up being put in your downline.

So there are three ways you can get players:
1. Sign them up yourself.
2. They get signed up by someone you invited.
3. They get signed up by the people above you and you are the lucky recipient of them.

Apologies to Hotspur, this is the one way that the people above you are important. Currently its Antesup -> Boards -> You guys.
Antesup is under one of the founders who became very enamoured with our work during the WSOP and asked us to join (well, he asked Mike actually!)

DeV.

Ste05

Ah yes, I just realised the importance of your "Sponsor" so if we all sign up through the "mother" affiliate, we all get an equal chance of getting someone added to our downline.....