Its OFFICIAL! Michael O'Leary is a pr***!

enterprise

Had to get this off my chest! Anybody see the comments O'Leary made yesterday about the metro to the airport. Said something along the lines of its a waste of money and it would be better spent in building more lanes on the M50! What planet is this man on?

From now on I will be taking my business elsewhere and certainly won't be using "Riotair" again!

murphaph

Yeah right. You're telling me that you'll pay extra for any given flight you may wish to take?

Anyway, O'Leary is a 5 Star PR man!

weehamster

Well I always refuse to fly with Ryanair. :mad: It maybe cheap but its crap and Im willing to pay the bit extra to get a better service like Aer Lingus.

Imposter

weehamster wrote:

Well I always refuse to fly with Ryanair. :mad: It maybe cheap but its crap and Im willing to pay the bit extra to get a better service like Aer Lingus.

You've obviously not being flying lately!

Maskhadov

technically he is right. most of the people going to the airport go via car with a small minority by bus.

But he forgot about Swords !! The metro line is more than the airport.

Back to school Mick

dam099

Maskhadov wrote:

technically he is right. most of the people going to the airport go via car with a small minority by bus.

But he forgot about Swords !! The metro line is more than the airport.

Back to school Mick

But what about all the tourists coming in, many possibly won't hire a car and are getting taxis into and out of town, now they will have an alternative.

Its easy for O'Leary to be going on about roads, he can just zoom by in the bus lane with his taxi plate.

ballooba

Maskhadov wrote:

technically he is right. most of the people going to the airport go via car with a small minority by bus.

But he forgot about Swords !! The metro line is more than the airport.

Back to school Mick

Maybe people don't use the train because there is no train???

It's a little bit crazy but think about it.

Maskhadov

dont get me wrong.. im in favour of the metro..

he is just pointing out that its not like people can get to Dublin airport.... but people cant get a flight and developments at the airport would be more beneficial.

At the end of the day, once the metro is up and running the line will be at full capacity at peak times and we would wonder how we managed without it.

HelterSkelter

weehamster wrote:

Well I always refuse to fly with Ryanair. :mad: It maybe cheap but its crap and Im willing to pay the bit extra to get a better service like Aer Lingus.

What better service do Aer Lingus offer? I fly on both Ryanair and AL regularly and there is very little difference.

Bluetonic

Can anyone get their hands on the % of passengers on an annual basis who travel through Manchester and Birmingham airports in the UK and who use their respective rail line.

I think you'll find it's less than extremely low.

I don't think you'd find a higher % in Dublin.

The only way a metro to Dublin airport would get major usage by travellers is if there were park and ride facilities further back along the metro line.

HelterSkelter

Bluetonic wrote:

The only way a metro to Dublin airport would get major usage by travellers is if there were park and ride facilities further back along the metro line.

They would probably charge an arm and a leg to park in the park and ride also. Why would anyone bother when you can drive to the airport in the comfort of your own car and park in quickpark for a fiver a day?

ballooba

Why would anyone who lives in Dublin pay to park their car rather than get a Train?

In fairness Dublin is a much more popular tourist destination than Manchester or Birmingham.

ATM I use the Aircoach to get to and from the airport. If I had a choice I would definitely use a train which has far fewer stops and does not have to wait in traffic and takes a circuitous route.

HelterSkelter

Maskhadov wrote:

technically he is right. most of the people going to the airport go via car with a small minority by bus.

But he forgot about Swords !! The metro line is more than the airport.

Back to school Mick

Swords is an after thought, I doubt we'll ever see it.

Bluetonic

HelterSkelter wrote:

They would probably charge an arm and a leg to park in the park and ride also. Why would anyone bother when you can drive to the airport in the comfort of your own car and park in quickpark for a fiver a day?

We're talking around 10 to 15 years for the metro to be developed. So we are looking at the next 20 to 50 years for my comment above.

Do you think the quickpark facility will be still there in that time? I don't. All 'door step' car parks, and I include the red car park beside the ALSAA in this, will be developed upon.

20 years ago you could park in a gravel car park on the arrivals road in Dublin airport.

8 - 10 years ago there were carparks beside the then TEAM hanger and where the Great Southern and Airport Credit Union is now.

HelterSkelter

ballooba wrote:

Why would anyone who lives in Dublin pay to park their car rather than get a Train?

Cos by using my car I don't have to depend on some bus/train that could be late or not show up. I don't have to haul my luggage around train stations, up and down esclators, I just stick it in the boot of the car. I don't have to stand all the way in a cramped train fighting to not get pushed over, holding onto my luggage while trying to stay upright. I can listen to the music I want in my car, have the heating at a temperature I like, no smelly people sitting beside me!! I have been on the London Underground many times to Heathrow and let me tell you it is a complete nightmare.

Bluetonic

ballooba wrote:

Why would anyone who lives in Dublin pay to park their car rather than get a Train?

In fairness Dublin is a much more popular tourist destination than Manchester or Birmingham.

ATM I use the Aircoach to get to and from the airport. If I had a choice I would definitely use a train which has far fewer stops and does not have to wait in traffic and takes a circuitous route.

The metro will be great for those who can get it direct to the airport. Lets see, if you live along the route of St Stephens Green to Swords then your on to a winner. Just wait for your metro and you'll be in the airport in a jiffy.

If you don't live along that metro line then you've to rely on a multitude of LUAS, DART, Suburban Train or Buses to get to the metro line and hope it all ties in. All this while juggling your children and lugage.

If the airport was going to provide such huge metro passenger numbers why don't the goverment sanction 5 km of DART track to link to the new Grange Road Station in Baldoyle to the airport. They'd have it up and running in a year and the land is available, down the side of the M50 and then R32. You see thats something they could easily deliver on in a short time, somthing they would have to deliver on before the next election!

As for the metro... I wouldn't just put the car in the Buy and Sell yet.

Sarsfield

He's just an argumentative SOB. He'll say anything to get some airtime.

Apparently, he's actually offered to pay for a Shannon rail link himself!

http://www.utvlive.com/newsroom/indepth.asp?id=66712&pt=n

Please ignore the mans rantings.

And on the general topic, this is not a metro to the airport. It's a transport network with the airport as one stop on that network. It would be insane to not include the airport on a transport network, would it not?

dowlingm

O'Leary sells Stansted Express tickets...

netwhizkid

This man is quite frankly the biggest w*n*er on earth. He only wants a race to the bottom and i would love to see Ryanair going bankrupt, I know they have done a lot for reducing fares and i even raised the case for them flying to the USA but never again. He embodies everything that greed and capitalism stands for.

bk

Bluetonic wrote:

The metro will be great for those who can get it direct to the airport. Lets see, if you live along the route of St Stephens Green to Swords then your on to a winner. Just wait for your metro and you'll be in the airport in a jiffy.

Don't forget anybody living on the Metro West line (Blanchardstown, Lucan, Liffey Valley, Tallaght, etc.) will also be able to go to the airport (probably with one change).

That is a very large part of the population of Dublin.

Calina

enterprise wrote:

Had to get this off my chest! Anybody see the comments O'Leary made yesterday about the metro to the airport. Said something along the lines of its a waste of money and it would be better spent in building more lanes on the M50! What planet is this man on?

From now on I will be taking my business elsewhere and certainly won't be using "Riotair" again!

The man is on that planet most valued by many people with power and influence at the moment - the one where short term profit is of paramount importance and the future is someone else's problem. He's not alone. Collectively we value massive short term profit more than long term viability.

It's not wrong to say that the M50 needs an extra lane in both directions and that the exits at J6 and J7 really need to be redesigned. But it is ludicrous to suggest that the city does not need a viable and well thought out light rail system which includes the airport. The world does not revolve around getting passengers onto Ryanair planes but this is something that Michael O'Leary does not appear to be able to comprehend.

murphaph

HelterSkelter wrote:

Swords is an after thought, I doubt we'll ever see it.

Hmm, I dunno. The Swords bit is above ground, so it'll be one of the cheaper parts to construct.

FinoBlad

enterprise wrote:

What planet is this man on?

Hes just very clever, by attacking the metro he's obvioulsy not going to be expected to follow the 3 developers footing the bill for a new Luas spur to West Dublin [ €36m ]

I mean getting in and out of the airport cheaply will increase his business, how can he criticise it , sounds fishy :rolleyes:

Should be a change in that law so all Ryanair cancellations have to hand over the tax/charges to the T21 fund....he'd love that

cyclopath2001

FinoBlad wrote:

I mean getting in and out of the airport cheaply will increase his business, how can he criticise it , sounds fishy :rolleyes:

Does'nt RyanAir make more money when people miss their flights than when they catch them? They get to keep the ticket price and the tax and they can sell the vacant seats at premium-rate to people who missed earlier flights.

Why would RyanAir have any interest in improving the reliability of transport links?

robinph

cyclopath2001 wrote:

Does'nt RyanAir make more money when people miss their flights than when they catch them? They get to keep the ticket price and the tax and they can sell the vacant seats at premium-rate to people who missed earlier flights.

Why would RyanAir have any interest in improving the reliability of transport links?

They'd be hard pushed to sell off the flights that get missed though seeing as they will only find out that they have an empty seat 40 minutes before the planes due to take off. It would be nice if I could get back the tax for all the flights that I've booked with them and never used, I think its only four flights I've missed this year, but the flights I have used still work out cheaper than anyone else even including the lost tax so I'm not too bothered.

enterprise

FinoBlad wrote:

Should be a change in that law so all Ryanair cancellations have to hand over the tax/charges to the T21 fund....he'd love that

Great Idea!

Just to get back to an earlier point. Im heading away in a few weeks to a destination served both by Aer Lingus and Riotair (different airports however). Once taxes and all the other stuff was included the price difference between the more more expensive Aer Lingus and the cheaper Riotair was miminal, €5.00 at best if I recall correctly. €5.00 for a better service with Aer Lingus, I'll take that anyday of the week please.

Metrobest

I can't understand O'Leary's point. I'm one of his most devoted admirers but let me tell you I think this is one PR stunt too much. A few years ago he was quoted as saying that Dublin airport didn't need a rail link, but if a rail line happened to serve Swords and other new towns, God Speeds.

Micheal, I've got news. The line WILL serve Swords and all the new development taking place in that town. The airport - your base - is the biggest employer in North Dublin; most of your staff will use the metro to get to work every day. The passengers you are trying to lure from CIE on your new Cork route will adore the comforable 17 minute journey into the south city centre by metro. You should be cracking open the (Aldi) champagne as this metro is going to boost traffic through Dublin Airport massively. And there'll be less cars in the taxi lanes you use to get from your Kildare home to the Delayport!

FinoBlad

O'Leary just likes the sound of his own voice.

Dont care how much Aer Lingus is, I'd never fly with WhineAir, never, not even for free.

Superman

he' is a pain alright but he can get me close enought to where I want to go on hol's so he gets kudos for that!

Personalli i think they should scrap the dublin airport and buid a new shiny internatinal one in louth and link it up with the train going NI, It would bring job's and stuff to the area and i'm sure it would turn out better (after budget overruns!) as it would be a clean slate to start off with!

BrianD

enterprise wrote:

Had to get this off my chest! Anybody see the comments O'Leary made yesterday about the metro to the airport. Said something along the lines of its a waste of money and it would be better spent in building more lanes on the M50! What planet is this man on?

From now on I will be taking my business elsewhere and certainly won't be using "Riotair" again!

`

For once I agree with the guy. Airport metro is a prestige and not a practical project. He is right in saying that 80% of people who travel to the airport will not use it. The reasons are pretty obvious. Even less will use it if it is not linked to a mainline rail line (given that Dublin is also a national airport). Therefore it will fail under the current plan if the interconnector is not built first. FF have been selling the airport metro as it is a cure all to all Dublin's transport issues. Wrong as usual. Unfortunately the planning mess in north County Dublin has made a metro link even less viable than before. In any case, Swords neeeds to be the target and if the airport is served on route that's a bonus.

gjim

Try living in a city not served by Ryanair (or served by only a single Ryanair route) and you'll soon develop an appreciation for Ryanair. Really, go and try to live for six months or a year in a regional UK or European city which is only served by a traditional national airline for a while. Flying for a weekend to another city will still cost you 200-500 quid. It's great - :rolleyes: - you get a free cup of nasty coffee with a smile the one time a year you can take a trip abroad.

Maybe if you only fly once or twice a year, the cup of coffee might seem really important to you especially if you still fondly imagine that traveling by air should entitle you to an exclusive jet-set concorde-type experience and being treated like James Bond by lowly service staff. The reality it that it's like getting a bus and if you expect to be treated like a billionaire, pay 800 for a business class trip to Paris but don't begrudge the rest of us who are happy to pay Ryanair 29 euro for a trip to Toulouse. And no, I don't expect deferential treatment from the staff and no I don't get indignant when O'Leary rants on about something or other; I don't care what he thinks or says - I'm just happy that I've been able to travel to pretty much every country in Europe for practically nothing over the last 10 years.

Ryanair is one of the biggest airlines in Europe and is probably the most successful indigenous Irish company ever. I have no sympathy for the snobs who are unhappy that air travel has become available to everyone. The people who rant about Ryanair are still completely free to pay 500 quid for expensive tickets like they could in the old days. I dunno why they feel impelled to lecture to the rest of us who are happy to take our chances with a 10 euro ticket that we are being abused or exploited.

Finally, if you think that Ryanair represents the lowest common denominator of air travel, you simply haven't flown that much. Haven flown hundreds of times around Europe for work, my experience has been that Ryanair are very slightly more reliable than the respectable names like Aer Lingus, BA, BM, Lufthansa or Swiss Air for example.

And yes there is an element of vanity project to the billions to be spent on an Airport metro when they could have sanctioned a heavy rail link for 400m which would bring everyone from the Airport to pretty much any rail station in the country with a single change of train.

PhoenixRising

I'm eagerly awaiting the man's demise.

shltter

I wonder if O'Learys opposition has anything to do with the fact that Ryanair are in bed with Aircoach a light rail system to the Airport would spell the end for Aircoaches flagship service


Also I heard O'Leary on the radio yesterday and he said that Competition between Dublin Bus and Aircoach had lowered the price of bus fare to Dublin Airport that is untrue the price of Airlink express service to the Airport has increased since the introduction of competition

SeanW

Never flown with Ryanair myself, or any of the "low cost" airlines either. Last time I flew to Europe for a short holiday, I tried various low cost operators to see what good deals I could get - Ryanair didn't go to the places I needed at all, and other operators would have forced me to make some messy changes at an intermediate airport and only be marginally cheaper than Aer Lingus so it just wasn't worth it.

Sure you can SOMETIMES get a ticket for next to nothing (before tax) just hope you don't get thirsty on-board or you can pay something like €10 for a 1/2 ltr. bottle of London tap water ... lovely. And sure, SOMETIMES you even land withing 100 miles of your destination - otherwise you probably end up spending as much as you saved getting to Central Areas from the "local" airport.

My only ever objection to the Metro was that it might not be done right, or would cost so much as to kill the DRP in a race for funding. We now know that not only is neither the case, but Metro North is to be complimented by Metro West AND the DRP AND an electric DART to Navan.

Michael O's objection seems to be that the €3.5 bn should be spent on "bus" lanes for his "taxi" :mad:

To be fair there is one thing I've always liked about O'Leary is that he's a straight talker, (usually) tells it like it is, and doesn't mince his words.

A Dub in Glasgo

O'Learys latest rant is nonsense but do not let that hide the fact that Ryanair have done absolute wonders for low cost air travel. I remember the £200 sterling flights that were standard when Aer Lingus were the only airline flying Glasgow area - Dublin. Now the price has reduced considerably.

MG

Couple of points:

1. O'Leary is working his own agenda just like he always does. I laugh at those who believe he is some sort of consumers champion or competition advocate.
2. He'll do anything to get airtime.
3. His ego is massive
4. He claims that "only" 20% of passangers will use the metro. Dublin airport has some 18m passangers p.a. so that would mean some 7.2 million metro journeys (in and out) by the passangers.
There are also over 10,000 working at the airport (apparantly 20,000 in all airports so certainly over 10 in Dub)
There are other places on the line.
Seems like enough people to make the line viable and have a significant impact on traffic.
5. The Metro has an integration effect for public transport which helps the entire public transport system.

HelterSkelter

Why is everyone under the illusion that Aer Lingus provide a great service than Ryanair? Sure maybe 5 or 10 years ago but nowadays the only difference is the colour of the plane. Both are low cost airlines, both charge over the odds prices for food and drink on board, both will make you pay for a new ticket if you miss your flight (Aer Lingus used to put you on the next flight at no extra charge). I fly with both airlines regularly and I have noticed that Ryanair are more punctual than Aer Lingus. BTW I am no fan of Ryanair or O'Leary but some people in here are talking through their hat, they obviously haven't flown with either airline in a long time.

grumpytrousers

HelterSkelter wrote:

Why is everyone under the illusion that Aer Lingus provide a great service than Ryanair? Sure maybe 5 or 10 years ago but nowadays the only difference is the colour of the plane. Both are low cost airlines, both charge over the odds prices for food and drink on board, both will make you pay for a new ticket if you miss your flight (Aer Lingus used to put you on the next flight at no extra charge). I fly with both airlines regularly and I have noticed that Ryanair are more punctual than Aer Lingus. BTW I am no fan of Ryanair or O'Leary but some people in here are talking through their hat, they obviously haven't flown with either airline in a long time.

Express check in using credit card.
Seat Choice when using same
Vaguely human staff.
Don't have the nerve to call a "On-board shopping catalogue" a "magazine"....

there's 4 reasons....

Alun

grumpytrousers wrote:

Express check in using credit card.
Seat Choice when using same
Vaguely human staff.
Don't have the nerve to call a "On-board shopping catalogue" a "magazine"....

there's 4 reasons....

A 5th reason ...

Planes that are actually cleaned between flights so that you aren't sitting in other peoples' detritus.

HelterSkelter

grumpytrousers wrote:

Express check in using credit card.
Seat Choice when using same

Yeah, you're right, valid points, I forgot about those

grumpytrousers wrote:

Vaguely human staff.

I always found Ryanair staff to be friendly and helpful

grumpytrousers wrote:

Don't have the nerve to call a "On-board shopping catalogue" a "magazine"....

Clutching at straws now!

PhoenixRising

6. If they lose your bags they will have them driven to your front door a few hours later.

7. Aer Lingus flight schedules are designed to fit into the major connecting flights at hubs.

8. A far superior safety culture.

MorningStar

MG wrote:

Couple of points:

1. O'Leary is working his own agenda just like he always does. I laugh at those who believe he is some sort of consumers champion or competition advocate.
2. He'll do anything to get airtime.
3. His ego is massive
4. He claims that "only" 20% of passangers will use the metro. Dublin airport has some 18m passangers p.a. so that would mean some 7.2 million metro journeys (in and out) by the passangers.
There are also over 10,000 working at the airport (apparantly 20,000 in all airports so certainly over 10 in Dub)
There are other places on the line.
Seems like enough people to make the line viable and have a significant impact on traffic.
5. The Metro has an integration effect for public transport which helps the entire public transport system.

1. Can't really defend his image but I don't think many people see him as anything other than a business man who questions things
2. Promotion is part of his job
3. HIs ego about matches his achievements as far as I can see
4. That is not enough people to warrant the cash when a cheaper solution maybe capable of moving as many people if not more. It is a valid point to question
5. Metros may have had that effect in some other place but nothing to say that will happen here with other services that aren't complete.

The biggest point he makes is that by having the airport as the destiantion you would not get good value. Advancing it to Swords will increase its use but that is an addition that I don't think is in the first phase. JUst to ignore these comments because O'Leary makes them is worse than anything you are accusing him of.

Padraig Mor

PhoenixRising wrote:

8. A far superior safety culture.

FFS. Based on what? All the Ryanair planes crashing every week?

PhoenixRising

Padraig Mor wrote:

FFS. Based on what? All the Ryanair planes crashing every week?

No they're not. However, I work in the industry and know how they operate. I would never travel with them or allow any of my family to fly with them.

I could tell you about several incidents which never made the press. MOL has created a culture of blame within Ryanair which is not conducive to a good safety culture within an airline. Not so long ago, a female first officer refused to fly the return leg with the captain as he had acted unprofessionally and dangerously. Now rather than investigate the situation as would be done in any other responsible and safety concious airline, what did Ryanair do? That's right they fired the first officer. Does that make you feel safer as a passenger? That's the reason why there are two pilots on the flightdeck - to make sure that nobody tries to do something which may compromise safety. Her job was to speak up if she saw something she didn't like. She did and she got fired for it. I believe that she is now happily working for 'the world's favourite airline'.

HelterSkelter

PhoenixRising wrote:

I could tell you about several incidents which never made the press.

Please do, if there is a good reason for not travelling with them I would like to know.

PhoenixRising

HelterSkelter wrote:

Please do, if there is a good reason for not travelling with them I would like to know.

Well here's some light reading for you. Although I think this one did make the papers a few weeks ago. It makes for sobering reading. I wonder why the first officer was so passive? Maybe he wanted to keep his job?

http://www.aaiu.ie/AAIUviewitem.asp?id=6946&lang=ENG&loc=1652

There have also been two serious incidents recently in Beauvais and Rome, and I believe that reports are in the offing.

FinoBlad

PhoenixRising wrote:

Well here's some light reading for you. Although I think this one did make the papers a few weeks ago. It makes for sobering reading. I wonder why the first officer was so passive? Maybe he wanted to keep his job?

http://www.aaiu.ie/AAIUviewitem.asp?...g=ENG&loc=1652

There have also been two serious incidents recently in Beauvais and Rome, and I believe that reports are in the offing.

This is just one of a half dozen reasons why i wouldnt take a present of €10k to fly WhineAir. Make that €100k I wouldnt fly with the p****

SteM

SeanW wrote:

Never flown with Ryanair myself, or any of the "low cost" airlines either.

SeanW wrote:

Sure you can SOMETIMES get a ticket for next to nothing (before tax) just hope you don't get thirsty on-board or you can pay something like €10 for a 1/2 ltr. bottle of London tap water ... lovely. And sure, SOMETIMES you even land withing 100 miles of your destination - otherwise you probably end up spending as much as you saved getting to Central Areas from the "local" airport.

I'm no huge fan of Ryanair but comments like this make me laugh.

I know if I'm going to fly with them I'll buy a bottle of water before I even get to the airport - not the big deal you're making it out to be really is it? I've never seen 500mls of water on sale for anything close to €10 either.

SOMETIMES you even land within 100 miles of your destination! Wow, where to start on this one.

If you don't want to fly to a certain airport then pick another airline - you might end up paying more or you might not although in my expirence of flying Dublin/Manchester and Dub/London a lot you pay less with Ryanair.

I flew Dublin - Stansted the other week. It took me only slightly less time getting the bus from Georges Street to the airport than it did the train Stansted to London City so it didn't bother me where airport was. It saved me about €200 on the Cityjet flight into City airport which was nowhere near the cost of the train down to Liverpool Street.

You've just said that you've never had any expirence of them but then go on to rubbish them?

MG

MorningStar wrote:

1. Can't really defend his image but I don't think many people see him as anything other than a business man who questions things
2. Promotion is part of his job
3. HIs ego about matches his achievements as far as I can see
4. That is not enough people to warrant the cash when a cheaper solution maybe capable of moving as many people if not more. It is a valid point to question
5. Metros may have had that effect in some other place but nothing to say that will happen here with other services that aren't complete.

The biggest point he makes is that by having the airport as the destiantion you would not get good value. Advancing it to Swords will increase its use but that is an addition that I don't think is in the first phase. JUst to ignore these comments because O'Leary makes them is worse than anything you are accusing him of.

1. There were a few texts to The Last Word (where I heard him make the comments) calling on him to run for Taoiseach!!! I don't mind him working his agenda so long as people recognise that he has share price in mind, not the common good.
2. Agreed - he does a good job of it too.
3. His achievements must be judged against the background of his wealthy fathes wealthier buddy giving him a job. He has done a good job but then so might a lot of people given that opportunity.
4. I disagree. It is a lot of people and according to the Oireachtas Committee on Transport’s will have a positive economic benefit. The alternatives will not create the long term infrastructure to have the same benefits.
5. Integration of public transport systems creates value. It's virtually a law of gravity in transport - there is no evidence it won't happen in Ireland.

I'm not disregarding the comments because of who made them, I'm disregarding them because I know why he make them. He wants the money to be spent on a new terminal so that he can enrich his shareholders. Fair enough for him to make his comments but let's not forget the context.

MorningStar

MG wrote:

3. His achievements must be judged against the background of his wealthy fathes wealthier buddy giving him a job. He has done a good job but then so might a lot of people given that opportunity.
4. I disagree. It is a lot of people and according to the Oireachtas Committee on Transport’s will have a positive economic benefit. The alternatives will not create the long term infrastructure to have the same benefits.
5. Integration of public transport systems creates value. It's virtually a law of gravity in transport - there is no evidence it won't happen in Ireland.

I'm not disregarding the comments because of who made them, I'm disregarding them because I know why he make them. He wants the money to be spent on a new terminal so that he can enrich his shareholders. Fair enough for him to make his comments but let's not forget the context.

3. He did it you can't take it away from him because he started at a point above others. His achievement regardless
4. The same people who claimed the Luas would be built on time, to cost and actually take cars off the roads. It didn't so you know
5. Integrated transport systems don't mean you have to have every form of transport. You make a transport system that is designed to the cities requirements. Buses suit the urban sprawl of Dublin. Bus only roads or tunnels would be chepaer more versatile than train and trams. Electronic tracks rather than rail would be better and more progressive.

YOu are assuming opinions and view on Leary. He has made some vaild points on the subjects. Trains and trams are not the only solution and are extremely limited on their use and the infastructure can only be ever used in that way unless huge expenses changes are made.

There are many ways to do this and teh metro train/tram is not the cheapest or best solution. The Luas is actually a failure being sold as a success.

HelterSkelter

PhoenixRising wrote:

Well here's some light reading for you. Although I think this one did make the papers a few weeks ago. It makes for sobering reading. I wonder why the first officer was so passive? Maybe he wanted to keep his job?

http://www.aaiu.ie/AAIUviewitem.asp?id=6946&lang=ENG&loc=1652

I read about this before. You can hardly blame this incident on Ryanair, the Captain went against all the landing procedures and ignored the warnings of the first officer. It was his last day of duty for Ryanair and I think he would have been fired otherwise. The report concludes that the cause of the incident was "the temporary aberrant behaviour of the PF (pilot flying) in disregarding the Operator's SOP's/CRM requirements and compounded by the inability of the PNF (pilot not flying) to counteract this behaviour in the unusual circumstances of the approach to Skavsta"