Would you get ADSL from eircom at the prices they're asking?

Bard

Another poll- this time -

Taking into consideration the asking price, the 3GB cap, and basically whatever else you want (including, if you like just "because ...- it's EIRCOM!"), would you purchase one of Eircom's newly launched ADSL products AT the price they are asking?

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More details on pricing available elsewhere in this forum, and at www.adsl.ie

BTW- I don't believe Eircom should be entitled to the domain adsl.ie, as it gives them an unfair advantage... but that's another discussion...

NeilF

A definite no. This reminds me of ISDN when it was first introduced. If I recall correctly the installation cost was £300+ and data calls were dearer than voice calls. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

However, if NoLimits was to be withdrawn and no one bothered with FRIACO this may be the only option we would have left.

Originally posted by Bard
BTW- I don't believe Eircom should be entitled to the domain adsl.ie, as it gives them an unfair advantage... but that's another discussion...

I agree but at least it means that when I need to lookup their offerings I don't have to go via their homepage and be cornered and brainwashed by a six foot mouse

DeVore

DEpends on the per mb charge after 3gigs.

DeV.

NeilF

Originally posted by DeVore
DEpends on the per mb charge after 3gigs.

Something like 2.2p per MB. It has been mentioned in other threads.

Typedef

Fact is I want a fast connection yeah? But for the price I will end - up paying for dual line isdn as compared to 56k I may as well splurge on adsl , also I hear that some people have got it working in Unix
/rumour?

As "chick dig Unix" /nonrumor
Having an adsl connection in FreeBSD would be such a babe puller I'd have to hire an extra 10 body guards to add to my current 10 in keeping the babes away so you see the real question is can I afford the attention ??

dahamsta

Much as it pains me to do it, I had to be honest and say "yes".

My phone bill is currently ~£200 a month, sometimes peaking much higher than that (£275 last month), and 99% of that is Internet calls (I encourage my customers to use email). It would be a drastic saving to me, and a huge benefit (always-on in particular). I'd be stupid not to take it.

If I was a home user though - I'm both as it turns out - I wouldn't take it, it's just crazy. I would also continue to campaign heavily with IrelandOffline to either: a) get the price dropped; b) have the caps removed; or failing that, c) have the caps raised to a more reasonable level.

To be honest, I'm stunned Eircom were allowed release the product at that price. It's only hitting me now actually, I've had my mind on other things the last couple of days, for obvious reasons. How the hell are they allowed get away with this?

adam

Kix

No, no way. I've got a good job and I'd love a decent connection but that's miles outside what I'm prepared to pay.

K

BoneCollector

dahamsta

You think! it will be worth it with your high bill?!
what your missing is this..
3gig cap.
as soon as you exceed this(one week usage!)
you will end up paying 2p per mb which is about £20 per gig
which is 60 per 3gig(perweek) multiply that by a month is
240+77x2 <-billing period =£634 (and you think this is cheap!?)
and this is if!? your only paying 2p per mb :eek: :mad:

disConnected

I voted 'no', because

a) it is extremely bad value for money
b) I am not able to afford it

Paulw

I think that the biggest issue is the cap. If there were no cap then I would probably take their offer.

But the price is too high. I could just about manage to deal with it without the cap.

Basically, remove the cap and drop the price by £20 and I'd take it.

Otherwise ... I'll wait to see what the other services offer.

infomat

Originally posted by DeVore
DEpends on the per mb charge after 3gigs.

DeV.

The price is 2.6P (less VAT) per MB ... this was published by Eircom

b20uvkft6m5xwg

Simply.....

NO !!

I'd have no problem budgeting a certain amount per month but its just the simple economic principle. This figure is not cost based but was decided in a smoke filled room over a few drinks on the basis of "EXTORTION". (IMO BTW)

I cannot & will not allow myself to consciously use such a product knowing this. Believe me I am so desparate to get DSL but my own personal stand on it is... I will not :mad:

dahamsta

BoneCollector, please don't patronise me, especially when you don't know all the facts. Part of the reason my telephone bill is so high is because I have to use the Internet extensively during the day, and not just because I'm a heavy user. (I am a heavy user, but not *that* heavy, I will go over the lower-end caps, but I really don't know by how much.) My i-Scream bills wouldn't be affected by this, because it's flat-rate.

Also, the three gig cap applies to the Solo product line, and who's to say I wasn't looking at one of the other product lines? Maybe I was looking at the advanced solution, which although more expensive than (some of) my current phone bills, has 1Mbps downstream/256kbps upstream, and apparently - I say apparently because no-one seems to really know - no cap.

If you're unhappy about me saying I would take the product, say it, don't come at me with technical and financial details. I know what's involved, and it's up to *me* to take those risks, not you.

adam

NeilF

Originally posted by dahamsta
It would be a drastic saving to me, and a huge benefit (always-on in particular). I'd be stupid not to take it.

Fair enough. If you are in business and you are already paying more than the monthly rental in calls then it does make sense. I suspect that there will be a lot of people like you who would rather not take it on principal but if you are running a business and trying to make money you've no option but to take it. Isn't competition wonderful.

Out of interest what would be the more appealing aspect of it to you: the always-on connection, or the bandwidth?

Scruff

NO. NEIN, NADA, NEIT. NON.
and no in any other language.

Honestly, i dont know how the Telecomms industry say the industry is in such a bad state with the amount of money they're taking out of my salary every month with the mobile, land line and internet bills!

And i have to say i really dont like the way they are going to charge the £100 for the ADSL line AND the £25(?can't remember exact cost at moment) rental for the phone line!!!

And the 2-3p per MB! When does the horror end?!?!?!

WhiteWashMan

well, ive got adsl for 40 quid a month with no limit cap.
but then again, i live in england
or if i want to be really cheap, i could get cable or 20 quid a month. it just goes to show how far behind ireland is and how much eircom are ripping people off.
bas7ards

dahamsta

Out of interest what would be the more appealing aspect of it to you: the always-on connection, or the bandwidth?

Always-on. I run a web development and hosting business, an always-on connection would be invaluable in order to keep in constant touch with my developers and my clients. Speed is secondary, but it would obviously be a boon.

Note that all this is moot anyway, I live in Cork, I can't get DSL. But the question was asked, and I answered it truthfully.

adam

jaarius

i voted NO!

this is out of my price range tho i might 'see what i could do' if there was no cap. at this stage i only use home access for email cuase thats really all its good for and i leave all the rest for when im in work.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/010911/218/c3lwv.html

i read this and thought this isnt exactly a stellar endorsement of 'I-Stream'

i dunno.

eircom = cowbows


j

Moriarty

Certainly wouldn't buy any of the adsl packages currently provided by eircom. The bandwidth capping is a joke. The price is exhorbitant. Generally the worst adsl offering i have seen anywhere in the world. Well done eircom, you stood up to your reputation well.

ando

do you realise just how many 'no's' there is ?

This is why eircom think there is no demand....

also, no-one has seemed to mention that there is a Minimum 12 month contract. This probably means the eircom can charge this for at least the first year, and then when everyone is about to leave them at the end of the year, they dramatically drop their adsl charges in order to keep the customers ...

ps. I voted yes, I know what i'd be leading myself into, but i desperatly need flat-rate broadband for work and gaming.

Gladiator

lads i dont think any cap at that price is aceptable,
were brain washed by england, yes england, we see adsl at 40 pounds there and we think right a cap a 40 pound shoulds fair for hear and unlimited 70 pounds, but thats not the way it should be, an adsl service should either make there money out of the cap or the rental no both,

its scares me that some of you have broken a united front, we have to do something about this, tel me what and i will

ando

yes, i agree glad.

Eircom, high pricing OR a cap, but NOT both ?? please

strat

theaving shower of bast0rds i mean come on - wot happened to OTDR (?) didnt they introduce some low figures for instalation and monthly rate

Gladiator

that was for LLU, you see, this is were all the confusing comes in, but it does raise an iteresting point, that ioffl should raise when next talkign to eircom, that how can them feel llu will happen at all, if they want to charge 55 pounds for bitstream llu while full llu was set at 13

PHB

Im planning on paying 140 a month for no limit, 1 meg down 256 up

Bard

Originally posted by Gladiator
its scares me that some of you have broken a united front, we have to do something about this, tel me what and i will

seriously... what the heck are you talking about here?

Straker

It's just way too expensive. A reasonably priced, flat rate, uncapped, always on connect would suit me.

obewan

As an ordinary home user (not an businessman), there is absolutely no way that I could afford these prices.

I'll have to hope that someone else can come up with something better.

Mick.My Page

kamobe

I fail to see how any of thier products are aimed at a home user. High price, getting rid of the ordinary user. 3gig cap making sure the heavy users aren't interested. 2.6p extra for every meg?? Madnness.

Everyone is talking, but no body is doing anything. Pickets outside Eircom and government buildings, expose eircom for what they are.

Obviously I voted no.

PiE

Originally posted by Bard


seriously... what the heck are you talking about here?

I think he means we should all try and aim for one thing i.e. lower prices or higher caps, instead of us all p!ssing about unsure of what we want.

Possibly.

We need a leader, we're just mere followers! ;\

Personally I won't get because I can't afford it, not because it's eircom. I don't care who gives it to me, I just want it at a reasonable price and preferably no cap at all.

Blitzkrieger

3GB! I wipe my arse with 3GB! :mad:

While we're on the subject of 3 - that price should be about 3 times lower.


.......but that's ott. It's really about twice as high as it should be. The limit is also too small and the price for going over the limit is horrendus. More classic eircon.

Matfinn

Lo all

The only reason I would be inclined to get DSL is for the higher speed ( Naturally ) and for the always on access. At the moment I have 2 lines in my house, one for the family phone, and one for the internet. Now this second line that was installed has been shared with the first line, and my bandwidth has been nearly halved. I usually connect at 38k-42k tops anytime, and my internet connection is not nearly as fast as it was when I had only one line. My current internet connection is currently very unstable and slow, as a result, and it is prone to connection dropouts and incesant slowness all the time ( it feels like im surfing at 300bps ). I can no longer download large files anymore because of the quality of my connection ( I stopped downloading after 3 iso's of linux and solaris I attempted to download all turned out to be corrupt files when I tried to copy them to a CD ). Now I have been crying out for some solution to this mess, and broadband is what I have anticipated. Ive been crying out for the release of broadband for a long time, and now it is nearly here. Now since Eircom want to charge so much for it and impose a crippling cap on it, Im saying a big, in yer face NO! to Eircom. Thats how I feel. I will not deal with any company that walks on people and climbs on them in order to go up in their little company ladder. Eircom, you REPEL me, and as soon as I am given a choice, I will disband you IMMEDIATLY. Esat and any other telco's I see fit may provide me with broadband. One thing I have learned the hard way, the bigger a company gets, the less it gives a **** about the one home user. So in short again I will say no to Eircom. We need choice, after all we are a democracy.


My rant ends here

Matt

mewso

Has anyone mailed/phoned Eircom to register a complaint. I doubt they read this forum and the way some posts are written you expect them to.
I'm willing to be reasonable. I'm no expert but I know that the market even if it was 100% in this country is still a lot less than any other country offering asdl at lower prices. I think what they are charging is quite ridiculous. I personally would only switch from ISDN, what I'm on, to asdl if it would be the same or not much more. The businessmen who presumably decide pricing see this as a new technology while the rest of us see it as an old one that has arrived far too late.
Someone should contact Dunphy's The Last Word about this. He's battled Eircom before and if he was clued in he could well put them on the spot but we are fighting a difficult battle on a subject most of the country could care less about.
Ireland Offline is an admirable organisation but from what I've read they are being careful to remain media friendly and on speaking terms with Eircom. Fair enough but somehow as a group a lot of anger needs to be vented and we need to find a way how.

Bard

Originally posted by musician
I doubt they read this forum and the way some posts are written you expect them to.

They said that they do, actually, - as did the ODTR...

nahdoic

Originally posted by musician
I doubt they read this forum and the way some posts are written you expect them to.

I know they do. If you had been a regular reader of previous posts, you would have read the longest thread we had on Ireland Offline, "ADSL INFO FROM EIRCOM". They posted their ADSL page on their web-site a week before their launch, i made a copy of it that night. It was a mistake on their behalf to upload it that early and removed it the following day. I hosted it on my site at 12:00 that day, I only posted one link to it, and it was from this forum, and by 17:00 I had Eircom ringing me up to remove the page.

po0k

I for one woul attend a mass raly/demonstration/unofficial riot outside the Eircom offices in Dubln.; anyone interested?
Joking (but seriously, anyone?........)

This price is waaaay too high. There will be adopters at tehis price, they will be rich nobs and businesses. The speed will still be fine for em, Eircom will say its only being taken up by businesses and will fold any residential plans. Ina Year's time the prices won't have comes down. If it does however and everyone hops on I bet money that during normal hours it will slow to a crawl, prehaps down to 1 or maybe 2 KB (yes theres a difference in b and B Eircom- ignorant flucks). Then you will see businesses dropping it again cos its more expensive then dial-up ISDN and we're back to square one.
i honestly don't think we'll have enough internal bandwidth by the time we're supposed to be on it. hence its 'phased' (read: lazy, shiftless, cowardly, cheap) basis.
If some one could give some hard figures on this I'd like to see them. What sort of connection strings exchanges together out here in teh sticks? (6miles form Galway city - 1 mile from local exchange)?

I for one can't see how the government could have SOL OUR MOST VALUABLE TELCOMMS INFRASTRUCTURAL ASSET INTO PRIVATE FLUCKING HANDS! We now have damn all control over it and the country is suffering as a result. Ppl do't want to work here cos they're used to affordable and availablebroadband whre they're from (USA, UK, Europe etc.) so they setup in Asian countries lke Korea where you can get 512Kb/256Kb (yessss, small 'b's denote buits, an eighth of a B Y T E - Eircom lackies) uncapped, unconjested for £17-£20 a month.

FFS is not nearly strong enough.

/me is VERY P|SSED OFF :mad:

mewso

Originally posted by nahdoic

I know they do. If you had been a regular reader of previous posts, you would have read the longest thread we had on Ireland Offline, "ADSL INFO FROM EIRCOM". They posted their ADSL page on their web-site a week before their launch, i made a copy of it that night. It was a mistake on their behalf to upload it that early and removed it the following day. I hosted it on my site at 12:00 that day, I only posted one link to it, and it was from this forum, and by 17:00 I had Eircom ringing me up to remove the page.

I did read that post but thanks for patronising me. If you recall somebody mentioned later in that topic that it was just as likely that somebody who rang the number might have told them where they got it. I actually made my previous comments because I considered that a more likely scenario and that if they do monitor this forum it's probably one idiot making sure we don't say anything illegal.

corkie

Eircom, ODTR clash on ADSL
Irish Independent, Ailish O'Hora ( 14th September 2001)
A FRESH spat surfaced yesterday between the Office of the Director of Telecommunications Regulation (ODTR) and Eircom, with both parties firing shots at each other in the ongoing saga over the introduction of broadband services here through ADSL

nahdoic

Originally posted by musician
I did read that post but thanks for patronising me.

Sorry if I sounded patronising, it just seemed like you came out out nowhere, and all of a sudden replying to a lot of posts and criticising Ireland Offline about a lot of things. But criticism is good, and once again, sorry

But come on, Eircom have told Ireland Offline that they do keep a close eye on this forum.

They rang me up within 5 hours of posting something on my site they weren't happy with.

The cap for the solo package was originally intended to be 1 gb, but due to complete and utter outrage on these boards, was increased to 3 GB.

I think we can be pretty confident, that they do watch this forum.

ando

Did anyone realise just how many Eircom I-Stream adds there is on the unison.ie website ??? Its covered in them

corkie

Originally posted by ando
Did anyone realise just how many Eircom I-Stream adds there is on the unison.ie website ??? Its covered in them

Yes I did notice them when I was their earlier and posted the link here. Annoying 'Doubleclick' advertising. If your fed up with them install some ad filters to get rid of them!


John O Connell

Bard

Originally posted by ando
Did anyone realise just how many Eircom I-Stream adds there is on the unison.ie website ??? Its covered in them

maybe it's just me but I just went there, browsed around a bit, and didn't see a single one.

wouldn't it be a laugh if eircom were forced to withdraw the product due to the price?

NeilF

Originally posted by Bard
wouldn't it be a laugh if eircom were forced to withdraw the product due to the price?

or advertising a service they knowingly could not offer?

Pimp Ninja

No Buckin way would I pay this. It's way too high and 3 gig just isnt even close to the limit we'd use. I DL more than 3 gig in a dau insome cases (thanks to my 2.5GB connection in work).

On the other hand, it is a good step to a certain extent, at least adsl is now available. we have another alternative to our 2 exixting choices for home users. All thats left is a "realistic" pricing structure and decent cap limit then we're set.

cmkrnl

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I for one can't see how the government could have SOL OUR MOST VALUABLE TELCOMMS INFRASTRUCTURAL ASSET INTO PRIVATE FLUCKING HANDS
</B>

Thats irrelevant, tell us how Joe Public managed to exercise any rights of ownership when it was state owned. The only people who benefitted were the featherbedded overmanned clucks who worked there. At one stage not so long ago TE had 4 times the amount of employees/line than the dutch did for a similiar size phone network. It wasn't a privatised company that had ISDN changes & rental more a LOT expensive than the UK (when BT here were taking the complete piss). It wasn't a privitised company that used every dirty trick in the book to prevent meaningful competition in the business & leased lines market. Even today the cost of an E1 connection to the 'Net in a metropolitan area such as Dublin takes the biscuit. It wasn't a privatised company that resorted all kinds of chincanery to stop the establishement of call back services for cheaper international calls. I witnessed at first hand the disconnection of numbers that gave access to these services.


But its part of a more general malaise in the Irish public sector that are entirely producer orientated & puts the customer last, a good example would be the executive restaurant with french trained chefs @ the ESB HQ etc etc etc.


Call me cynical, but I get a tad peeved at the notion that life was just dandy when it was all state owned.

greg

Hecate

I voted mabye, but after thinking it over for a while I would have to say no, I wont get adsl from eircom in the way they are proposing.

£95 (thats what it works out at including vat, according to the letter they sent to trialists) isn't that bad, but the 3gb cap just makes it pointless. For £95 I would want a 512k connection that I could use without having to think of how much traffic I am generating.

kamobe

Even without the cap - £95 is FAR too much

Sweeden per year: £240
England per year: £480

EIRCOM: £1,140

PLUS the cap!! which could be yet another £20/£30 a month (£360 per year..?)

Extortion.

Clover

No Way !!

it is just to much, plus the 12 month contract ;( aarrgghhhh.

monthly fee £93.56x 12= £1,122.72p
then conection fee £118.13p
usb modem £137.04p

total = £ 1,377.89p + ( the line rental? is that true line rental?)

ps : does anyone know if they are going to charge for changing from isdn 2 adsl? .

mewso

Originally posted by nahdoic


Sorry if I sounded patronising, it just seemed like you came out out nowhere, and all of a sudden replying to a lot of posts and criticising Ireland Offline about a lot of things. But criticism is good, and once again, sorry

Ah the old text medium again. Don't worry I was being sarcastic and I know you didn't intend to be patronising. I've been a moderator here for a long long time and I read loads but don't reply to everything. The internet situation in Ireland is something very close to my heart becuase it's what I do at work and what I do when I go home in the evening. We have a leased line at work for over 100 connections and it's very slow. Annoying as a web coder and as someone who researches on the net. I even attended an e-governement seminar, as a rep. from South Dublin County Council (yes I'm a public servant) where politicians and professors talked about how we could improve online services for the public. They did not seem to realise that we can't offer services because we can't guarantee a good fast service and Joe Public has little interest in the internet anyway - they can't afford a PC and if they can they can't get a good connection. This forum is lets face it representing a small minority of people in this country who regularly use the internet. Nobody ever set up a group demanding that PC suppliers sell PCs for a reasonable price. I built my current PC with parts bought in England where to buy in Sterling STILL worked out cheaper. A long time ago the Government talked about the Ireland being the e-hub of Europe and it doesn't just mean broadband internet it means getting more people online by ensuring PCs in every home. Now I'm sure statistics can say a large percentage of homes have a PC but how many are internet ready in some form and as someone who works for a County Council how many council houses have a PC. For that matter how many have a video.

smokin' an'chewin' man

Originally posted by disConnected
I voted 'no', because

a) it is extremely bad value for money
b) I am not able to afford it

DITTO

Typedef

I would have to modify my answer..... eircom's adsl site seems to be surprisingly uninformative & I was under mistaken impression there would be no caps, I (probably) wouldn't mind paying lots for some good broadband but I refuse to get ripped off with a 3gb cap yeah?

What is the point in paying for a capped service anyway? I had just stuck with the iolnolimits(ehh I mean ioltwofingersinclientsface) package because I was waiting/hoping/praying for maybe a decent adsl service but, alas it would seem that the package is aimed at people who will pay for a service and then not really use it know what I mean? Again the solo package seems like a package that was thrown together so that eircom couldn't be accused of offering it only to business clients!?! It seems that internet use in Ireland will be stuck in the doldrums of lowband until we get some real competition going eh?

Don't suppose I blame eircom with their near monopoly, not giving a to-s about their corporate image, I mean they were prepared to let Denis O'Brien own the company