Early release DSL pricing....

DeVore

This dropped in my mail box from a source I'll reveal later (if he so wishes).

Take it for what it is, I have no way of verifying the info but also no reason to doubt it.

"I'm having huge problems registering but I thought you'd want to know that I'v got a connection price £95 plus vat and monthly rental £80 plus vat for dsl 3 gig limit."

<personal opinion>
At least its DSL.... now at least others can offer it and competition might actually happen.
3 Gigs is dumb and shows again how Eircom dont understand the internet properly (unless thats 3gig's of *external* data.... with data from the Eircom machines being ignored... I'll eat my hat if it is tho.... lazy greedy feckers.


DeV.

Urban Weigl

Thank you very much for the info.

IR£80 (almost 100 bucks including VAT) seems, to be frank, simply too high. The 3 GB limit will appeal to the casual Internet user, so it appears they're only targeting casual Internet users here. But then, how can they expect a casual Internet user to pay that much!? The price is 5x what it costs in Germany (and even here you aren't comparing like with like, because over there they don't have a bandwidth limit)... And EVEN with economies of scale and everything, it shouldn't cost more than say 2 or 3x of that in Ireland.

In other words: Eircom have an ADSL product which will appeal to NOBODY. I can hear it already: "due to the lack of interest, we have decided not to roll out ADSL further". In conclusion, the stuff Eircom is smoking must be mighty strong. It's all very sad.

PS: I expect Eircom will price the wholesale product such, that nobody will be able to undercut them without turning a loss.

pete

what's really depressing is the number of people (myself included) who would pay it.....

(or rather, WILL pay it)

m1ke

that's some focking BULLSHIZE - Who needs a second mortgage on their house just to get a 2bit piece of crap dsl service capped more fkin times then steve staunton.

Pepe LeFrits

I'm on the ADSL trial at the moment, and the download speeds are great... but £80 a month with a 3gb limit? Eircom can smb.

jaarius

eircom clearly have accountants making the decisions. the casual user wont use that much so they wont want it and its not worth it (due to the limit) for heavy users. man this sucks. i was (sadly) holding my breath on this one hoping that eircom would listen to their customers.

<rant>
i hate this... so much of this country has benefited from IT and probably one of the groups we need to be leading the charge for a more advanced telecoms network are lagging behind.

and the govt dont get me started on those sacks of sh!t...
</rant>


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Chaos-Engine

Basically it is a very sly tactic

3GB only will work for the casual users as previously mentioned. The £80 is crazy. I didn't think they woudl be that mad... I see it like this... They r trying to say to the ODTR that they offered it and no one took it... Why u ask?

lol
Because who in there right mind would pay for such an over priced service.

Msg to Esat: DON'T BE AS THICK AS EIRCOM.... £40 a month w/ 5GB limit... or £70 a month w/ no cap

:mad:

Lemming

80+Vat a month for a 3GB d/l limit?? This is BullSh*t !!!

Once again I ask Eircom - "Are you stoned or just stupid??"

At that price I would expect either NO limit or a much higher limit.

ekehoe

Well, I guess I know what I'll be talking about tomorrow on the radio :-).

That is just wrong. I can't see how the ODTR approved those prices. I can see why Esat filed an injunction tho. There's no way that money is going to be made on this.

Just when you think that you're going somewhere, they throw up another wall. I guess it's time to bring out the big guns. <opinion>

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Paulw

Maybe we should all make our comments DIRECTLY to Eircom ... maybe even to Alfie.

This is such a sickening response to what we (the customer) wants from a DSL service.

Maybe some emails ... ODTR, Eircom, and to the Govt might get some attention ?

I'm sick of being used like this, and being robbed by the greed of Eircom.

Chaos-Engine

http://www.bizplus.ie/bp_online/news_desk/?ns=3491

thats the link to an article regarding pricing.

got to run

Lemming

Thanx for the link Chaos!!

<SNIP>targeted to suit heavy users of the internet for both business and personal use.

<Lemming Snaps>
AT £80(+VAT) on a 3GB limit?? I DON'T THINK SOOOOOOOO. WAKE THE F**K UP EIRCOM!!!!!

?This is another milestone for Eircom in our aim to deliver the very best services in fixed line telephony in Ireland,? said Eircom chief executive Alfie Kane.

?There has been much speculation and anticipation for ADSL technology and we are confident that the announcement today delivers customers the very best service at what we believe is a competitive price.

"ADSL, designed to meet the needs of the heaviest internet users, is a welcome addition to the suite of internet services we provide for our customers.?
[/B/

MY F**KING FOOT Alfie!! Wake up and smell what you're shoveling in it!!! Stop treating us like little kids that don't know any better.
:mad:

</Lemming Snaps>

Apologies for all that swearing, but I am REALLY angry!!

jaarius

pardon my ignorance but ODTR?


j:o

Lemming

Originally posted by jaarius
pardon my ignorance but ODTR?


j:o

Thats the Telecomms regulatory body, headed by "Etain Doyle". Basically the industry watchdog

Paulw

The bizplus.ie article does not mention a CAP.

If there's not cap, then that price isn't too bad really.

Just my thoughts.

I now wonder what the other operators will do .. Esat and Colt. What prices can they offer after this ???

We can only wait and see.

Scruff

we are confident that the announcement today delivers customers the very best service at what we believe is a competitive price

competitive against what and who exactly?

Ah yes, £ircom have launched their Concorde of Internet Connections:

Faster than anything around, but it only works in certain areas and by God do you have to pay through the nose for it .

:mad:

At that price i'll be sticking to the 747 ( 56k modem )

MyPerfectCousin

"...the announcement today delivers customers the very best service at what we believe is a competitive price..."

...spake Alfie in bizplus article.

Competitive with what you may ask?

[.....] that's right, no similar product.

Oh wait, it's "competitive" with the per-minute dial-up fees Eircom charges on modem calls..........the only other "competitor" in the consumer/SOHO access market.

Paulw

Folks -

I just got off the phone with their sales dept. They say there is NO limit of data transfer.

So, it's a flat £77.97 a month charge.

Is it that bad ???

spanner_head

don't forgot you have to pay VAT on that too.

one question - is i-stream only available to eircon customers?

Mountjoy Mugger

£93.58 incl VAT plus line rental = over 100 a month. It's bad enough!!

spanner_head

ok maybe those prices are inclusive of VAT!

Lex_Diamonds

yes it is that bad, and if you are willing to pay that price then you are undermining what Ireland Off-Line are trying to achieve.

All those people who are going to slink off and get it at this price, COP ON TO YOURSELVES !! We need to hold our ground and wait for a realistic price, not this bull that Eircom has come up with.

logic1

/me slinks off rather rapidly.

.logic.

The Cigarette Smoking Man

The official ADSL prices are now on www.adsl.ie and there's no mention of a cap or whether the prices include VAT.

Lex_Diamonds

A monthly download allowance, included in the monthly recurring charge, applies to some of the products. Once this allowance has been reached, a per Megabyte additional charge will be levied. See individual product descriptions for details.



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

DAMN YOU EIRCOM!!!!
:mad: :eek:

ando

Originally posted by Lemming
80+Vat a month for a 3GB d/l limit?? This is BullSh*t !!!

Once again I ask Eircom - "Are you stoned or just stupid??"

At that price I would expect either NO limit or a much higher limit.

I know the price is steep, but Is there any PROOF that eircom will put a 3GB limit ?

NeilF

With eircom i-stream you pay a flat monthly fee*

*A monthly download allowance, included in the monthly recurring charge, applies to some of the products. Once this allowance has been reached, a per Megabyte additional charge will be levied. See individual product descriptions for details.

Think of the worst cap you can imagine and half it.

glimmerman

according to the guy on the other end of "that" phone number, the cap for SOLO is 1 gig....
quote: "people don't seem to be happy about that" unquote.

The Cigarette Smoking Man

See individual product descriptions for details.

I didn't spot any details?

I doubt they could have a 3GB limit on all four options, especially the 1MB multi user one.

Scruff

will someone put up a link to this Eircon i-scream site so i can look at this muck for myself? i canno find it.

The Cigarette Smoking Man

Originally posted by Scruff
will someone put up a link to this Eircon i-scream site so i can look at this muck for myself? i canno find it.

www.adsl.ie

Bard

Skimming through www.adsl.ie , I don't see any mention of a cap. The product that is most suited to myself is i-stream solo, spec'd as:

--

For a single user, on a single computer

The product has both a USB port or ethernet option
Speeds are up to 512kbps downstream/128kbps upstream
Connection fee is €125 (IR£98.45) - Monthly fee is €99 (IR£77.97).
Additional equipment required: ADSL USB modem €145 (IR£114.20) or ADSL Ethernet modem €200 (IR£157.51)

--

As things stand THIS is actually a more economical option to me, as a relatively heavy Internet user, than the dialup solution I'm using at the moment - even taking into account that I use SNL some of the time.

... this, assuming that there are no connection/dial-up type costs... which I assume there aren't. Flate rate, right?

I'd go for it, myself- but that price HAS TO come down. Competition should do that, which is partly why Esat should get off THEIR AR$€S now and introduce their own product.

spanner_head

Bard do a search for the following words on the that page and then you'll find it.

'A monthly download allowance........'

there is no mention of what the limit is. I was on hold for about 10mins so I hung up. I'll try again later....

infomat

I was waiting about 25 mins for a rep to answer.

(1) He said that no decision has yet been made regarding a cap. However, he did say that there was an internal rumour of 1G in the case of lower priced services.
(2) It would be possible to provide static IP with the enhanced but he did not if this was included in the price.
(3) On Thursday/Friday a phone number will be published so that you can phone to express interest.

One can only guess what the prices rejected by the Rugulator must have been like! possibly £179 for Solo?

Lemming

Originally posted by glimmerman
according to the guy on the other end of "that" phone number, the cap for SOLO is 1 gig....
quote: "people don't seem to be happy about that" unquote.

Understatement of the year

Maybe that should marked as Boards.ie's quote of the decade or something?

Dr99

Eircon, when you are finished stabing me in the back with that rusty bread knife maybe you would like to lay into my balls with your hob-nail boots. I don't mind, in fact over the years I've got kinda used to it!

LoGiE

What are eircom playing at?? Anykind of cap would be ludicrous at that price price!!!!! :mad: Basicaly you'd be allowed download a cd 1/2 of information a month...It really goes to show the interest the goverment(ODTR) takes in this countries future as an "E-Hub" when they allow the price of high speed internet to be double no tripple that of our NEIGHBOURS!! and all of europe..... there is no excuse for this. Please Eicom do not be "Surprised" when there is not a huge takeup of ADSL for the home user. GOD this whole mess make's me sick:eek:

Matfinn

Lo all

Just remember that these prices are unconfirmed, and therefore we shouldnt take them as 'the' price that Eircom are going to be charging for DSL. Id say in my own opinion that them prices are pretty close. Now as for what we are going to do if eircom do indeed charge this much for DSL, we should really think if an alternative. What about a non-ptofit based ISP that would cater for the need of the User? I know I've said this more than once even to the point you may be sick of it me saying this, but its the only alternative I can think of at the moment. We should disband all hopes of Eircom ever giving us a fair and decent service. They will not appease us because they dont give a ****. They will say 'oh there are 2000 or so unhappy users out there, well **** them we have 200000 more happy users'. You know what I mean. They will never negotiate a decent deal, because they realise that they dont have to, and they will get away with it. They need to be TOLD by the government what to do. They need to be forced in order to act. We should pressure the government more in order to get Eircom to act fairly and in a decent way, to consumers, and to its competitors.

Thank you for listening.
Feel free to criticise this rant if you like. It may not be all there, but I have other things that are grabbing my attention as i write this < watch the news!! >.

Thanks and Good Luck

Matt

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by Matfinn
Lo all

Just remember that these prices are unconfirmed, and therefore we shouldnt take them as 'the' price that Eircom are going to be charging for DSL

Feel free to criticise this rant if you like.

Matt. The prices *are* confirmed. Please refer to http://www.adsl.ie

infomat

Originally posted by Matfinn
Lo all

Just remember that these prices are unconfirmed, and therefore we shouldnt take them as 'the' price that Eircom are going to be charging for DSL
Matt

I don't fully understand ... the prices are quoted on Eircom's site so how can you say that they are not confirmed ... do you mean that the ODTR has not agreed or that we don't know if they include VAT?

Matfinn

Lo all

Just remember that these prices are unconfirmed, and therefore we shouldnt take them as 'the' price that Eircom are going to be charging for DSL. Id say in my own opinion that them prices are pretty close. Now as for what we are going to do if eircom do indeed charge this much for DSL, we should really think if an alternative. What about a non-ptofit based ISP that would cater for the need of the User? I know I've said this more than once even to the point you may be sick of it me saying this, but its the only alternative I can think of at the moment. We should disband all hopes of Eircom ever giving us a fair and decent service. They will not appease us because they dont give a ****. They will say 'oh there are 2000 or so unhappy users out there, well **** them we have 200000 more happy users'. You know what I mean. They will never negotiate a decent deal, because they realise that they dont have to, and they will get away with it. They need to be TOLD by the government what to do. They need to be forced in order to act. We should pressure the government more in order to get Eircom to act fairly and in a decent way, to consumers, and to its competitors.

Thank you for listening.
Feel free to criticise this rant if you like. It may not be all there, but I have other things that are grabbing my attention as i write this < watch the news!! >.

Thanks and Good Luck

Matt

Mountjoy Mugger

Originally posted by Matfinn
I have other things that are grabbing my attention as i write this
Matt

Obviously, Matt. No need to double post.

Matfinn

Lo all, before I said the prices were unconfirmed, now I know that they are confirmed.

I apologise for the mistake.

Now lets setup an ISP ourselves

Gluck

PiE

I wish people would stop saying "For those prices there better be a damn big cap...!"

For God's sake wake up. £100 is too much for [residential] ADSL, capped or un-capped. End of story.

Btw, have these prices actually been APPROVED by the ODTR?

If so, I demand they kop themselves on.

Pimp

This price DOES NOT INCLUDE VAT.
There IS a cap.
This IS robbery


Heres the link on the home part of Eircom webby
http://www.eircom.ie/cgi-bin/bvsm/bveircom/bladerunner/showContentDropDownSubchannel.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0623575174.1000230009@@@@&BV_EngineID=eadcccdldiggbedcfjgchgcghk.0&selectedChannel=Products+and+services&fromChannel=At+Home&cid=TheResAdsl

infomat

Originally posted by PiE

Btw, have these prices actually been APPROVED by the ODTR?

If so, I demand they kop themselves on.

I think that she only approves wholesale prices.

Mountjoy Mugger

I wonder how long wel'll have to wait for Esat's response...

Wouldn't it be just peachy if they took on board the requests here to under cut Eircom substantially?

Gladiator

Eircon dont want adsl esat do, esat dont get money from interconnection, esat dont get money from isdn, adsl are really their game plan. this is why i feel esat wont cap and why i feel neither will eircon as soon as esat launch, remember those 12 motnh contracts

Gladiator

btw lads, the retail price has no relation to the wholesale, the sholesale could be anything under 77 pounds, it could be as low as 30 pounds.

eircoms wholesale internations rates are about half what the charge other carriers. ntl charges 6p a minute on peak to the uk, eircon charge 12.5p

Urban Weigl

Originally posted by Gladiator
eircoms wholesale internations rates are about half what the charge other carriers. ntl charges 6p a minute on peak to the uk, eircon charge 12.5p

As far as I know, this isn't quite the case -- NTL actually only has to pay for the part of a call which is local or national (depends on how they are set up), but actually carry the call to the UK themselves.

Gladiator

no thats not how its set up, in order to do that you would need to be on ntls network, and they would have to have lines into your local exchange