Bruce Lee

polar_bear

Man, myth legend. Great person but:

Me and my pal were debating how he'd do in todays MMA world. In pride or ufc. My pal was saying his fast hands and supreme conditioning would make him tough to beat while i was of the opionion any of the top guys in his weight group would destroy him cos he has no grappling skillz.

opinions?

Millionaire

I am about 80% sure he had grappling skills. One of his orignal students and known in JKD as a street fighter ..Larry Harstell had JKD grappling books published back in early 1980s. "Enter from trapping to Grappling" I think was name of his book.

Yeah and I think Lee trained alot with Judo Gene LaBelle and Prof Wally Jay (small circle ju jitsu) along with about every other famous name (all styles) in MA world in the 1960s.

Look at Lees Linage... Lee ...Guru Dan Insonanto....Paul Vunak... and many many others.

apparent he was serious fast. also he was a street fighter in Hong Kong before he went to University in Seattle. Back then there was lots of street scraps btwn rival kung Fu schools and styles.

His #1 technique was the "straight blast" he called it. (loads a info on web etc)

polar_bear

I admit I don't know anything about Bruce Lee and probably should stop w@nking on, but what the hell it's the internet.

PiZaRR-0

Might get flamed,

I think he would have done well, His conditioning was crazy, He was VERY strong for his sizae.

If MMA ( Sport wize ) was big back then he would have put a lot more time into grappling, although he was tryin to be good at everything, the whole JKD thing. Which is pretty much MMA idiology IMO.

He was very fast both hands and feet, and they packed power.

Its a tricky one to argu, its hard to imagine him in MMA. Everyone sees him as a legend. Does anyone know of any fights he had, other than that guy sent by those Kung Fu dudes to batter him for teachin Kung Fu to Yanks. TBH i think he would have destroyed most fighters in MMA today. Includin Darth Fedor.

I think he would have been alive when Helio was alive? Is my timeline rite? I wonder did he have any contact with the gracie family?

polar_bear

i heard he ate a gracie and pooped a belfort afterwards.

Millionaire

Its all a learning process. Keep mind open to everything.

as I said in other thread, theres tons a stuff on the web. worth looking at some.

its an ambition of me (if i manage to get the cash and time to do it) to go to USA and do intensive JKD training or instructorship. just for my own total personal ..bruce thing!!!

of course there is loads of factions in JKD now...politics..usual BS. But I had pleasure of training this year with a JKD instructor who was trained by Paul Vunak and he told me, despite stuff you hear about vunaks personal life, if you want to learn street orientated stuff that works, go to Vunak to train, and that I will do maybe next year God willing.

Millionaire

aye that fight was in San Fran when the chinese did not want him to teach "round eyes" . lee beat him with a "straight blast"

there were a fews, details ina few book I have here but too lazy to dig em out and start typing now!!!

Inosanto said once some big yank was sexually harassing a girl and lee come upon it in LA and smashed the dudes nose with a back fist!! and I'd say lee would whip some back fist! LOL!

TwoKingMick

How big was bruce? I'd be confident i'd kick his ass, let alone the top pride heavyweights.

dlofnep

About 5'7" and 130lbs. He did study some basic grappling.. He did judo with a local judo I read (before meeting gene lebell).. I have read alot about Bruce and apparently he beat a local wrestler in a fight.. nothing spectacular but he was aware of grappling. A boxer who trained with him said his power for his size was amazing and he was very sudden in everything he done.

As far as Bruce in todays MMA. How would he do? Firstly there are not many weight divisions that would suit him. I'm sure if he had 2 or 3 years to prepare for MMA, he would do great in his weight division (but he would be fighting really small guys and because there are not many guys fighting at 130lbs the competition wouldn't be great )but Bruce in his prime was not on the same level as a decent MMA competitor of today. He was one of the first mixed martial artists.. I don't think it's sensible asking this sort of question. The game has evolved so much in the last 10 or so years, it's not even funny. It wouldn't be fair on Bruce. Let's just acknowledge what he doen for martial arts as a whole and bringing it to the mainstream.

Roper

Against someone of equivalent weight, maybe. To compare him with the Fedor's of this world is madness though, he'd eat him.

Millionaire

Lee was what you could refer to as one of the first mixed martial people.

he was the first ever to do MA full contact continous sparring.

Apparently his speed , power and ability to read opponents moves was unnatural. Joe Lewis world 1st ever heavy weight full contact kickbxing champ trained with Lee and really rates him even today.

Remember his goal was street (as opposed to ring), so he lead with eye jobs, kicks to the balls etc etc.

I did read when he was in thailand shooting movie he fought a thai boxer and beat him. he also beat as a teen, the hong kong boxing champ, in a boxing match and lee never boxed in his life then!


theres loads good books on his training methods and stuff. well worth checking out.

cavedave

How would Helio Gracie do againist one of his grandkids?
How would Jacques Mayol compare to Tanya Streeter?
How would Christy Ring compare to DJ Carey?

These guys totally changed the game. Are there people now who are better then them? yes, but without Bruce Lee you probably wouldn't have mma as a legal mainstream sport. Rather then how would Bruce Lee do in MMA maybe its fairer to ask what would mma be like if not for bruce lee?
David

Colm_OReilly

without Bruce Lee you probably wouldn't have mma as a legal mainstream sport.

What did Bruce Lee do to promote MMA? Most of the JKD circuit is still doing goofy trapping drills and all other sorts of dead bs.

If it wasn't for money hungry Brazilian's we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today.

pma-ire

Colm_OReilly wrote:

What did Bruce Lee do to promote MMA?

Nothing!

But to Cross-Training lots! He got people into the thought of training with other styles so as to give a ballanced view of combat. Not the one dimentional training that can go on. Lee trained with loads of Americas top MA'er (As Millionare said) and even Ali.

MMA has become a style onto itself and was driven by many prize paying world event comps.

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Most of the JKD circuit is still doing goofy trapping drills and all other sorts of dead bs.

If it is works for them then who are you to say otherwise?

Go tell Paul Vunak, Morné Swanepoel, Dan Inosanto and Larry Hartsell etc that they are doin goofy trapping and dead BS! All these guys work all the ranges to cover a rounded view of combat. Dan Inosanto even does BJJ!!

Anyway JKD was not meant to be a MA (As I've posted loads of times before), just an idea to work with.

Colm_OReilly wrote:

If it wasn't for money hungry Brazilian's we wouldn't have MMA as we know it today.

There are more money hungry guys than the Brazillian's involved.

Someone mentioned how Lee would do in MMA today?

He would do very well! His speed, strength and knowledge would stand up well! If he did get beat in his first match, then you can bet that he would train and study on ways to make that weak spot better to ensure a victory.

"Oh but he was just a movie star" Bull! He was a fighter, a perfectionist and a student of the worlds fighting methods, that became a movie star.

Millionaire

actually in Dan Insanto school JKD fighter compete to a serious level in thai, bJJ, and mma but they do not do it under the JKD name.

my god vunak would hammer us all ina sec. am just back after 1 month in Israel in KM with special forces training us instructor course and one of Vunaks level 1 i(i think) instructors Earl Simkunas was with us, and he s an ex SEAL and he told me Vunak is in another planet re his fighting. in training he helemts people in a bar room scene with ash trays bottles etc etc and they all go at it street training. and thats the stuff USA CIA are doing for real or the israelis in applied KM etc in the battle field.

its serious stuff!!

and they won plenty of fights too!

Roper

I don't agree with "Cross training" myself.

What good is training in an art in say each of the three ranges if you don't get the scope of how to adapt each one to work as part of a whole.

Examples are a strikers stance for take down, a wrestler having to avoid the knees/elbows in the clinch, BJJer having to avoid punches on his back....

I say train em on their own, but train them together too...

lorcan69

To the guys who want to settle whether or not Bruce Lee would take on this generations extremely talented fighters, id say he could.
After all, he was a genious. It would not take him to long to adapt to modern techniques but i could not see him straying from his own discipline, Jeet Kune Do.
In regards of grappling, it is not an efficient way (im my opinion) to take down an opponent but everyone has their methods.

Read his book on Jeet Kune Do and you would be surprised at his methods.

Hank_Scorpio

I do know that Bruce Lee studied with Ed Parker for a period. This was when Ed Parker was teaching Judo and Aikido (his original arts I believe, could be wrong), before he changed the name of what he did to "American Kenpo. So maybe Bruce Lee learnt some moves from him or vice versa, I don't know for sure. I've never had the privelege of meeting Ed Parker, but from what I hear he was phenomenal at what he did. Again just another link in the chain of a long list of people that were the at the top of there game in there system.

Could bruce lee win a MMA fight? Well yes he could. And he's not the only one that could of won a MMA fight. I've been to seminars where guys have trained with Bruce Lee and have photos of him and all that, so what I'm going to say here is legit, he could literally cover between 10-15ft of distance and strike hard and fast in a flash. All you would see is him lifting his leg to walk and he was on his opponent. I watched a video of him training at his home and he a punch bag hanging from a tree or something and you saw guys stand beside it and punch and it kick it and not make a dent in it. Then Bruce Lee would stand back from it and in a second kicked it and it folded in half. Then you watch it again in slow motion and the video doesn't even capture his every move towards the bag.

Again he's just another link of the chain of the people who reached the top of their game in their Art.

columok

How would Bruce Lee do against modern MMA fighters? He'd get battered.

Its like asking how would william wallace compare in a fight against an M16 toting modern general? How would a samurai do against a member of delta force? The fighting world evolves. Bruce Lee was important in his time but now he has been superceded. This is true of most predecessors in many spheres.

After all, he was a genious.

How ironic. How was Bruce Lee a genius?

In regards of grappling, it is not an efficient way (im my opinion) to take down an opponent but everyone has their methods.

How do you mean?

columok

Could bruce lee win a MMA fight? Well yes he could. And he's not the only one that could of won a MMA fight. I've been to seminars where guys have trained with Bruce Lee and have photos of him and all that, so what I'm going to say here is legit, he could literally cover between 10-15ft of distance and strike hard and fast in a flash.

Look man Roberto Duran and Mohammed Ali can do similarily impressive things and they'd still get creased in an MMA fight. Sure Ali got ridiculed by Inoki (far from a great MMA fighter).

Roper

Sure Ali got ridiculed by Inoki (far from a great MMA fighter).

Hardly a good example! That fight was a bit of a joke by all accounts.

I am sick to death of the Bruce Lee phenomenon TBH. Every step forward MA takes is attributed to him. Granted, he had good ideas, phiosophies etc. But you can't compare a man with no fight record, and aside from anecdotal evidence, he had no fight record. He wasn't an athlete. Full stop. Todays fighters are athletes, he was a self defence/MA maverick in his day, I applaud him for that, but lets get real.

As for the legends of his speed/power. I'm sure there's truth there, but I think people need to step back and think.

If he trained for the specific environment of the ring or cage, who knows?

Dyr

roper has caught the correct, bruce lee belongs on the films forums, and his films are dire lol

edited by mod, reported to me.

Millionaire

I think read books on Lee. Inosanto has one about Lees training methods. the bloke was a total athlete and he trained 24 x 7. was fighitng full contact decades before it became widely practiced.

I thought Straight Blast Gym and Matt Thorton etc was from JKD origins? (re stuff I read on net) just for the record is that true?

The_Scary_Man

There was a brilliant documentary on Discovery last night, Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey.

Gave a great insight into his philosophies and reasons for training. All this "would he beat so and so?" or "would he win in this situation?" is a bit childish if you ask me and as far as I can make out goes totally against his martial arts philosophy. He saw fighting not as a battle between two men but as a battle within himself to identify and overcome his own weaknesses. It's his philosophical outlook and the way he applied it to martial arts that should be his real legacy not the nunchuck scene from Enter The Dragon.


Whatever about his style and his ability I think we could all take a leaf from his book when it comes to asking ourselves the question "Why do I practise Martial Arts?"

He was no superman as some people make out but he was without doubt an extraordinary human being.

As for his movies, yes, the production values left a lot to be desired but that doesn't make them bad movies.

dlofnep

Bambi wrote:

roper has caught the correct, bwuce wee belongs on the films forums, and his films are dire lol

Liesssssss!!! Bruce's films are the best!

goo

Roper wrote:

Hardly a good example! That fight was a bit of a joke by all accounts.

Yeah, I was gonna say. That's the one where the Japanese guy stayed on his back the whole time to avoid being punched, right?

pma-ire

Roper wrote:

I don't agree with "Cross training" myself.

What good is training in an art in say each of the three ranges if you don't get the scope of how to adapt each one to work as part of a whole.

Examples are a strikers stance for take down, a wrestler having to avoid the knees/elbows in the clinch, BJJer having to avoid punches on his back....

I say train em on their own, but train them together too...

Ya! Cross-Training!

pma-ire

Roper wrote:

As for the legends of his speed/power. I'm sure there's truth there, but I think people need to step back and think.

If he trained for the specific environment of the ring or cage, who knows?

Which is what has been said! He would adapt and change.

Someone said that he would not stray from his JKD.

Well JKD is not a set style and is about taking in the best moves needed to get the job done.

Kev

goo wrote:

Yeah, I was gonna say. That's the one where the Japanese guy stayed on his back the whole time to avoid being punched, right?

What else could he do as he wasn't allowed take ali down or use submissions.

Millionaire

KM is like a JKD thing (minus the wing chun stuff) other than that it is very similar.

anything reality based , cross training, "absorb what is useful" is a JKD ish thing for what I have read.

funny Bruce never wanted it to be a style. yeah these days some people , say they are pure JKD and only do the 1960s winh chun/kickboxing JKD (sifu Lamar Davis is this camp) while Guru Inosanto has developed it based on Lees theory and concepts.

Ok lads, I ll come clean, I have wanted to do JKD since I first go into MA years back, poor ol Millionaire is a frustrated JKD head and a Bruce and Vunak fan www.fighting.net LOL!!! Ah lads I'll get there yet! ;-)

pma-ire

Millionaire wrote:

I thought Straight Blast Gym and Matt Thorton etc was from JKD origins? (re stuff I read on net) just for the record is that true?

Well this what Paul Vunak says...

Matt (Thornton) is what I would call a distant cousin of ours – much like the Machados and the Gracies are cousins. Matt learned his JKD from Tom Cruse, who you all know is a student of mine. I respect Matt very much – he’s an excellent fighter, an excellent teacher, and I always recommend his tapes to everyone

Musashi

Most of the JKD circuit is still doing goofy trapping drills and all other sorts of dead bs.

Again from Vunak....

Shut your eyes, say the word “trapping” three times in a row, and then say the first technique that comes to mind. Please do not read on, because I do not want to give the answer yet. Now, here’s the answer: If your technique was “pak-sao,” you have a very limited, antiquated understanding of trapping. Trapping is, first and foremost, a range, not a technique.

Is that your understanding of trapping? Let Vunak explain for himself here.

I think the best way we can go about this is to explain the genesis/evolution of my trapping paradigm. It all started back at the Kali Academy when I was boxing six days a week, four hours a day. I thought I had taken my boxing hands extremely high, and that the world revolved around the glove. Then one day I met and sparred with a guy named Bruce Curry, and his brother Donald. I was beaten so badly, I was lying there hunched over, and Dan looked at me and asked what the hell was the matter. I told him this incredible revelation that I had, that no matter how hard I trained or how many hours I boxed, there would always be someone a little bigger who’s trained just as hard. Dan said, “You’re right, Paul, when you do just full-contact punching and kicking, you have to fight within your own weight class. There’s only one way that I know to fight outside of your weight class; you have to de-fang the snake and render it harmless.” At that point I said, “What snake?” Dan looked at me and his mouth said, “The metaphorical snake, Paul.” But his eyes said, “The metaphorical snake, dumb****!” When you smash the hand, the opponent relinquishes his weapon, and you have de-fanged the snake. In the world of empty hands, the way you de-fang the snake is to straight blast the opponent and force him to run backwards. Now you have rendered this person relatively impotent. For the next several weeks to months, I put the helmet on everyone and sparred full-contact in all the classes (Phases Two and Three). Once I became proficient, I was amazed at how effective the straight blast was. Eventually, people started whining and I was forced to blast on their chests - no one wanted to put on the helmet anymore. Straight blasting the chest was much more difficult; but eventually I prevailed. The one thing I noticed was no one ever gave me a reference point for me to trap when I would blast them. Most people simply covered and turned away. I could rarely, if ever, apply a pak sao or a lop sao, etc. Where were the Wing Chun traps? Most people covered up, and it was most natural for me to “trap the neck,” using the Thai boxing clinch, and subsequently thumb the eyes, and head butt, knee and elbow. So my formula became: Enter…Straight Blast…Head butt, Knee, Elbow. I got to the point where I could do this formula in my sleep, with relative impunity. As the years went on, I moved up to the Phase Four and JKD classes. The folks in these classes were simply at too high a level for me to pull off my formula against them. We had many pro boxers, kickboxers, and Thai boxers, and for month after month after month, Dan would watch me attempt my formula (enter, straight blast, HKE) to no avail. I had no boxing gloves on, and could not return fire to the face, but would receive very heavy blows from everyone else. Dan finally got tired of watching me eat leather, and gave me a rather odd directive. He suggested that I stop sparring in the JKD class, and join his weapons class. At that point, I protested vehemently. I believe my words were something like, “Dan, what the heck do I need weapons for? After all, I’m not going to be walking down the street, and some crazed Filipino is going to jump out of a tree with espada y daga, and I of course have my espada y daga handy to defend myself.” At that point, Dan once again gave me the “dumb****” look and very patiently explained to me that there were these things called attributes, and I seriously lacked them. There were a myriad of wonderful drill that the Filipinos invented, that he called self-perfection drills; and he assured me that if I got into his class for six months, the attributes that I lacked would be raised and I would be able to enter, straight blast, and head butt the JKD guys as well.

Well, to make a long story short (it appears to be too late for that), after six months, four hours a day of sumbrada, serrada, numerada, carrenza, hubbud, etc. Dan approached me and advised me to go back into the JKD class. I did so, and to my amazement, I was straight blasting, head butting, kneeing, and elbowing every person in the class. This gave me an incredible epiphany: I learned that full-contact sparring alone, even though it is the most “alive” drill one can do, is not enough to take a person even close to their fullest potential! I was elated at my new tools (my self-perfection drills) that could make people functional with their trapping. This is why I find it ironic that many of the people who say they cannot functionalize their traps coincidentally also hate self-perfection drills.

At this point I was convinced that there was no need for Wing Chun traps! About two years later, I got into a fight with a very famous Wing Chun man (I’m not going to mention his name). When the fight began, I entered with my straight blast, but instead of him turning and covering like everyone else, HE occupied centerline as a response, and we were stuck at a reference point. This precipitated a pak sao/lop sao from me, and I followed up with several elbows to the face, and was pleased with the result. The very poignant lesson that I learned was this: The only time you ever need to do a Wing Chun trap is if you’re fighting a Wing Chun man who happens to occupy center line. Otherwise, the vast majority of the time, one never needs to trap the arms at all. This is why over the many years to follow, when people hear me refer to trapping, I’m talking about an entry, straight blast, and head butting, kneeing and elbowing…not some pak sao! (Later, when I was teaching SEAL Team Six, I coined the name “Rapid Assault Tactics”, or RAT for short) for this method of trapping.

That doesn't sound goofy to me, it sounds like what SBG and Matt Thornton do to be honest, except for the weapons stuff.Now where is Dave Joyce for the Drills?

Millionaire

well said Musahi

I saw that article before. and its good. apparently vunak no one could touch him and hes still know for that. spoke to him a few year ago, was suppose to go there and train but I end up in south beach miami instead.. ok was young bull then on different mission. ha ha women to the left of me and women to the right!!!

actually if you look on Vunak web site he has a comparisson of his JKD progressive fighting compared to thorton straig baast and its 90% similar. i some one comes to vunak for sport (cage) he wont tech them but sends them to SBG as its not his niche, but if yo wanna learn street stuuf. hes the man, and as i said spent a month in netanya in israel with one of his JKD instructors who did KM and kept his mouth shut about his own skills. Respect he had. learn something, you might not agree with it all but learn it.

Musahi I think we'll have to organise a trip over there for a few of us in 2006 !!!

fianna.5u.com

THis question has been beaten around the underground for years.

Quite simply, it is easy to ridicule people after the fact. Hence, academics worth their salt dont do it.

However, Bruce Lee trained the top 3 "full contact karate" fighters in the world during the 60's. As has been said on the underground, if someone trained Randy Couture, Chuck Liddel and Fidor would anyone question his ability?

Simply extracting the bruce lee of the 60's and 70's and dropping him into the MMA world of today is stupid and sad. Do we really need to go to such desparate lenghts to gratify ourselves? THere is no merit in the discussion otherwise.

Bruce Lee's "challenge" fight, that is highlighted in the biographic film "Dragon", apparently consisted of Bruce lee chasing the dude, grabbing him, taking him down and submitting him. Having watched the some of the old "gracie Challenge" tapes, he cant have been far behind that level (because they're dreadful). Does this make him the grappler Genki Sudo is? Of course not but most Jitz guys I know imagine Helio to be around good blue belt level. INdeed even the Royce of UFC 1 looks dreadful. What is the merit of this? nothing.

Peace

lorcan69

columok wrote:

How would Bruce Lee do against modern MMA fighters? He'd get battered.

Its like asking how would william wallace compare in a fight against an M16 toting modern general? How would a samurai do against a member of delta force? The fighting world evolves. Bruce Lee was important in his time but now he has been superceded. This is true of most predecessors in many spheres.

QUOTE]


In response to this. It is wrong to compare the fighting skills of opponents and solely base a victor or a loser on that. You have got to take into account the brain, the ability to adapt to your opponents skill, figure out and anticipate his next move.
The only reason bruce lee has been superceded is the fact that he is dead.
Given the chance bruce lee would adapt and modernise his techniques, but never stray from his original technique, that much is visible in almost all fighters.

In terms of william wallace and modern army men, eh i do believe bullets would be better than swords, its just a stupid comparison.

Train him to use a gun and there you have it. Problem solved.

columok

Lorcan,

To the guys who want to settle whether or not Bruce Lee would take on this generations extremely talented fighters, id say he could.
After all, he was a genious.

How does Bruce Lee qualify as a "genious"? The guy may have been instrumental in publicising martial arts and may have been a superbly conditioned human being but I really dont think that he belongs in the ranks of Da Vinci, Einstein et al.

It is wrong to compare the fighting skills of opponents and solely base a victor or a loser on that.

Really fighting skill relates ones ability to apply technique against someone who is fighting back. So in combat the main measureable variable is fighting skill. So really it isn't wrong if you're trying to compare fighters.

Now if you're saying that its unfair to measure people's worth in fighting skill alone well then you'll find me in absolute agreement. However that argument is disqualified during an argument about how good a fighter Bruce Lee is.

The only reason bruce lee has been superceded is the fact that he is dead.

And that everything in the world has moved on so much in the last few decades. Things change.

Given the chance bruce lee would adapt and modernise his techniques, but never stray from his original technique, that much is visible in almost all fighters.

Is that not a contradiction. If the man truly adapts then surely he must stray from his "original technique". If the man doesnt stray then he really isnt doing much adapting.

In terms of william wallace and modern army men, eh i do believe bullets would be better than swords, its just a stupid comparison.

Absolutely. But it was clearly an exaggerated comparison so your opinion on it being stupid, while noted, is clearly unnecessary.

And the analogy of TMA grappling Vs. sport grappling as being like swords vs. guns isnt far off.

Train him to use a gun and there you have it. Problem solved.

I see we've mastered the concept of analogy. I wasn't bringing guns into what is an argument about fighting skills in MMA competition. I was using a flippant exaggerated analogy to impress upon the reader the big leap over the last few decades since Bruce Lee was active.

Roper

I think Colum's last post tried to bring out the genious in ALL of us.

Are people really still harping on about Bruce Lee? Sure being dead has a lot to do with his lack of activity these days but to use the parlance of the kids these days- he is SO thirty years ago.

Bruce Lee is directly responsible for manys a mythical ninja wanabee death striking martial artist walking around wearing ying yang bomber jackets.

Here's one for you Lee fans... let's take a fighter from his era or thereabouts, I nominate Sugar Ray Leonard. How would Bruce do against him?

Millionaire

Roper wrote:

Bruce Lee is directly responsible for manys a mythical ninja wanabee death striking martial artist walking around wearing ying yang bomber jackets.

Yes his movie stuff did, yeah I suppose thats what 95% of even MA people who know him for, but as I said the real stuff he taught was like night and day. and where some of his top students have evolved it to is as different again.

[Quote} Here's one for you Lee fans... let's take a fighter from his era or thereabouts, I nominate Sugar Ray Leonard. How would Bruce do against him?[/QUOTE]

Good questions. under what rules?

Roper

Well, let's say both, k1 and MMA.

I nominate Sugar Ray for both. K1, all the kicks in the world aren't dropping Ray. If he took all marvellous could send his way... Leonard by KO rd1

MMA rules are different, but still, Leonard by KO rd1.

Millionaire

probably right on that.

but no rules may lee.

Colm_OReilly

There's no 'o' in genius

dlofnep

Roper

Sugar Ray was a middleweight.

I think he was a boxing geniOus.

Clive

Millionaire

The thief Bruce, he stole that move from KM....damn ....I knew it!!!!???!!!!

TwoKingMick

Worst double leg ever. Bloody actors.

dlofnep

Mick, you should know he had to slow his movements for the camera because he was so damn fast!!!

pma-ire

dlofnep wrote:

Mick, you should know he had to slow his movements for the camera because he was so damn fast!!!

If your talking about that then look at the backfist he hits Ohara with in Enter The Dragon. Then watch it again and try to catch the grab he does on Oharas (Bob Wall, the same guy he punches in the nuts above!) lead hand, pulling him into the strike!!

Now that was F'ing fast!!

I had watched that moive lots of times and never seen it until someone told me!!

Millionaire

and Bob wall was a tough Karate hure in his days too, and a top competitor.

Roper

Keanu Reeves would kick Bruce Lee's ass.

BUT

Jean Claude Van Damme would kick Keanu's ass.

BUT

Cameron Diaz had some wicked fast moves in Charlies Angels, some of which I'm only noticing now, so I reckon she'd kick Van Damme's ass.


IT'S A FRICKING MOVIE!

pma-ire

Roper wrote:

Keanu Reeves would kick Bruce Lee's ass.

BUT

Jean Claude Van Damme would kick Keanu's ass.

BUT

Cameron Diaz had some wicked fast moves in Charlies Angels, some of which I'm only noticing now, so I reckon she'd kick Van Damme's ass.


IT'S A FRICKING MOVIE!

Roper! Come to terms with your issues with Lee man!!

Did he abuse you as a child??


"Same old Roper"