How is Canavan a 'super-sub'???

kmart6

I'd love to know how people think Canavan is a bloody super-sub. Wow he came on and scored two points,la-di-da!!!

The first one was straight in front of goals and the free was a handy one where you could see Mulligan sayin 'I dont mind who takes it!' Most forwards would want to be puttin that over with ease.

Now im waiting for people to start coimng on sayin, 'Ohh but he won the game for them'!!! He was taking a free in the last minute pressure maybe,but if he missed he had nothing to lose the worst result would have been a replay! Ok its another game both teams could do without but hell it takes a load of pressure of him!

Killian

lukin

kmart6 wrote:

I'd love to know how people think Canavan is a bloody super-sub. Wow he came on and scored two points,la-di-da!!!

The first one was straight in front of goals and the free was a handy one where you could see Mulligan sayin 'I dont mind who takes it!' Most forwards would want to be puttin that over with ease.

Now im waiting for people to start coimng on sayin, 'Ohh but he won the game for them'!!! He was taking a free in the last minute pressure maybe,but if he missed he had nothing to lose the worst result would have been a replay! Ok its another game both teams could do without but hell it takes a load of pressure of him!

Killian

No offence but that's a silly remark. Canavan delivered the goods today, he's a great player.The point he got from play was not an easy score and if I'm not mistaken he laid off a great ball that lead to another one.
The free was an easy one alright but I've seen ones like it missed (Dessie Dolan for Westmeath a few years ago).

Culchie

kmart6 wrote:

I'd love to know how people think Canavan is a bloody super-sub. Wow he came on and scored two points,la-di-da!!!

The first one was straight in front of goals and the free was a handy one where you could see Mulligan sayin 'I dont mind who takes it!' Most forwards would want to be puttin that over with ease.

Now im waiting for people to start coimng on sayin, 'Ohh but he won the game for them'!!! He was taking a free in the last minute pressure maybe,but if he missed he had nothing to lose the worst result would have been a replay! Ok its another game both teams could do without but hell it takes a load of pressure of him!

Killian

Super Sub is just a media phrase, not really used by 'people'.

'People' see Canavan as one of the greatest footballers of the modern era, not just a 'super sub'.

Sounds like you had money on Armagh, hard luck. :rolleyes:

cougar

I just can't see how a player like Canavan isn't a starter for Tyrone. He may be gettin on a bit but I'd recon he still can last the 70 minutes. Hopefully he'll start the final, it'll be a better game for it.
That final free must have had alot of pressure, could you imagine the stories in the press if he had missed. He'd be the one who could have kicked them to the final but ended with another replay, plus there is the whole reputation that Tyrone can't win a match that they are in a position to.

damienom

Don't think you'd get 70 mins at that level out of him to be fair.

He's a good man for 10/15mins when you need someone to take scores and give the fans a bit of a boost.

Lemlin

He's a super sub because he lifts the other players and the fans. Did you even hear the cheer when the announcer said that he'd come on? Much like Dessie Farrell does for Dublin when he comes on.

Canavan's points were very important. The first put Tyrone three points ahead at a vital time and the second was a real pressure kick. That said, talking of pressure kicks, what about Stevie O'Neill's penalty? Hearty had no chance.

His third unstoppable penalty of the year and a real credit to him when stats say that only about a third of GAA penalties result in goals.

damienom

It's like Vinny Murphy when he came back up to play for the Dubs, seeing him running on and creasing people who were in his way was enough to get the Hill going and boost the atmosphere.

Nobody cared that he was past his sell by date

28064212

kmart6 wrote:

The first one was straight in front of goals and the free was a handy one where you could see Mulligan sayin 'I dont mind who takes it!'

Mulligan was clearly saying "Not me. I'm not taking it". He knew he wouldn't be able to handle it. It's the equivalent of a soccer player taking a penalty in a shootout. And if the free was so easy, why doesn't every free from inside the 21 go over? Never mind one with that amount of pressure. The Dessie Dolan incident against Meath a few years ago is a perfect example, one of the top forwards in the country, free kick right in front of the posts, inside the 21, game was draw with virtually no time left, and he put it wide. If an U-12 player did it you'd be shocked.

Not a big fan of Canavan myself, think he's a bit of a diver, plays a bit too dirty for my liking, but there's no doubt he's a fantastic points scorer. Being able to bring someone on who can take points well is a massive boost when your other forwards might be sagging and not getting in front of their men.

stevemac

pretty sure mulligan was saying "i don't mind i'll do it"

Waylander

I think Mulligan was happy enough to take it but Canavan gets first option. However I do not think it was quite as easy a kick as some of you guys are saying, and I certainly would not have been over confident if Mossie Quinn had been in a similar situation. There is alot don't like about his game, but I think there is no denying what a class player he is. A soon as he comes on his very presence upsets the oppositions defence. Mulligan scored his super goal against Dublin within minutes of Canavan coming on, as the Dublin backs were more concerned about covering Canavan then they were about Mulligan even though he had the ball. He is also the man the Aussies specifically went after to upset in a couple of the international series.

Lemlin

Canavan scares backs. He can unlock defences with his passing and, back in the day (before Meath knocked the bolox out of him), if Tyrone scored 12 points or so, chances were he'd scored about 11 of them.

This was shown in the '95 final when I think he scored all but one of Tyrone's scores.

kmart6

Lemlin wrote:

He's a super sub because he lifts the other players and the fans. Did you even hear the cheer when the announcer said that he'd come on?

What the fudge does a bllody cheer matter!!! Any player that needs a boost from a player who is only able to last 10/15 mins needs to re-evaluate there game!!!

Lemlin

What the fudge does a bllody cheer matter!!! Any player that needs a boost from a player who is only able to last 10/15 mins needs to re-evaluate there game!!!

Canavan lifts the crowd. The crowd then lift the team. Simple as.

He lifts other players because they are aware of the effect that he has on the opposition. For example, as was pointed out, the space Mulligan got against Dublin due to them watching Canavan too closely.

weemcd

canavan is done.

Tyrone shouldn't have got the penalty.

Mulligan should have walked.

Armagh were robbed :P

Lemlin

Mulligan should have walked.

I'd agree with this. I've seen players walk forfar less than a direct kick on an opponent. If anything though, the Armagh player shouldn't have overacted. Perhaps Mulligan would hav walked if he hadn't dived to the ground like a primamadonna. Armagh players don't normally act like that so I can't understand why he did.

28064212

weemcd wrote:

canavan is done.

Tyrone shouldn't have got the penalty.

Mulligan should have walked.

I'd say Canavan will retire from inter-county after the All-Ireland. If he doesn't, I can't see him getting picked next year anyway. But he could still be useful against Kerry.

It was a clear penalty tbh. My first reaction was that he got the ball, but the replays were pretty damn clear. Methinks you're wearing orange tinted glasses. Or a blindfold.

Missed the Mulligan incident though. Between that and the fact that McMenamin is still allowed to play, you might feel hard done by. But didn't a couple of Armagh players succeed with their appeals as well?

kmart6

28064212 wrote:

Mulligan was clearly saying "Not me. I'm not taking it". He knew he wouldn't be able to handle it.

Well you should definatly not give up the day job and take up lip reading cause Mulligan was clearly sayin ''I dont mind''

Why would he? He's an inter-county forward who would love the oppurtuity to take such a free!!!

Also did anybody notice that Canavan was getting treatment from the physio but as soon as there was a question of him taking the free he was up straight away running over to take it!!!

Road_Kill

Now in the extreme sense you cud forget bout the other score and the match... like his two points cud be considered as the leveller and the winner...... He's like the only player on the field!!!

Lemlin

He didn't score the leveller. Not sure who did but I'm nearly sure his point put Tyrone 3 points ahead but Armagh then pegged them back and took the lead.