IRL: 1X20 - "Do No Harm" [**SPOILERS WITHIN**]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "DO NO HARM" -

Episode Title: "Do No Harm"
Airdate: September 5th 2005

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

Jack tends to a severely wounded Boone after Locke returns him to the caves. Sun gives Jack some much-needed medical assistance and Sayid presents Shannon with a grand romantic surprise when they're alone. Claire unexpectedly goes into labor in the forest, Jack is unable to deliver the baby, and Kate, Charlie and Jin go into panic mode when they must tend to Claire themselves. Having returned Boone to Jack, Locke disappears back into the forest amid the chaos.

Next New Episode: 1X19 - "The Greater Good" - 12th September 2005

Basq

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Sorry about the big block of spoiler as a synopsis but it really is quite heavy on plot information.

Was tempted and still am to omit the whole synopsis from the post!

I remember this episode being heavily criticised when it aired on the 'Lost' thread but personally, i really loved this episode. The definite strongpoint of the episode was not the storyline but all the cast's performances in this were probably some of the finest acting of the season.

Everyone of the castaways involved gave (in my opinion) truly phenomenal performances in this episode.. but especially excellent acting from Matthew Fox (Jack), Ian Somerhalder (Boone) and Yunjin Kim (Sun).

Will say more after the airing!

Matthewthebig

Terrible!

I did not like this episode. I don't exactly know why. It jst did not appeal to me

L5

Terrible!

didnt like this episode especially

thewools

Terrible!

L5 wrote:

didnt like this episode especially

ye likewise, just want up to the "lost" standard wasn't it!!!

OFDM

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Unfortunately <<serious

Boone's death

>> was spoiled for me a few weeks ago by bloody trektoday.com, with their having forum post titles on the front page - <<another serious

"Why did they have to kill Boone?"

>>.

B4stards.

A slow enough episode, but still good because of some interesting points:
Will the number 44 written on the back of the shirt of

Jack's wife

have any significance?
And then there's the all important <<another serious

light turning on inside the hatch

>> at the end.

It's also interesting to see Sun turn into a bit of nurse.

qz

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OFDM wrote:

A slow enough episode, but still good because of some interesting points:
Will the number 44 written on the back of the shirt of

Jack's wife

have any significance?

Yeah, did you not hear? Next season they bump into the entire cast of the 4400.

OFDM

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I also thought it was interesting to hear Jack using Locke's catchphrase "Don't tell me what I can't do"

What significance could this have?

tvnutz

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I agree with basquille,brilliant performances in this episode. And while I dont think Jack's backstory is great, I really

dislike Boone,so there was an added bonus in the ep lol

I also liked it since

claire finally gives birth and there is s feeling of since new life was born,it must take another life.

tvnutz

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L5 wrote:

didnt like this episode especially

what else is new? ^^

Basq

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L5 wrote:

didnt like this episode especially

tvnutz wrote:

what else is new? ^^

Ha... he got you there!

At least you commented this time.. although with no specific reason why you didn't like it! Ah well.. not getting into this discussion again!

digiman

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I really liked this episode, thought it was a very powerful episode. The acting was excellent and was never fully sure what the outcome was going to be.

kinda lost

Good

qz wrote:

Yeah, did you not hear? Next season they bump into the entire cast of the 4400.

LOL if that happened id never watch it again how stupid would that be.

scojones

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Kick his ass Jack!

Binomate

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Boone actually got through to someone on the radio! The two episodes were probably two of the best so far as far as I'm concerned. Especially episode 20. It was a real tear jerker.

qz

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sjones wrote:

Kick his ass Jack!

Lol, nicely put

sephirosis

neither were as good as "numbers" in my opinion but still good. sorry to see boone's fate, but at least jack didnt get to do the job on his leg i dont know if i could have watched. i cant wait to see what happens with jack and locke. i wonder was there more of a significance to what boone said in lockes dream, other than it revealed a bit about boone's past. and then there's the take life to give life thing. also that light in the hatch adds further intrigue.

biko

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Locke's back story was really good. He is by far my fav of the cast. I'm really psyched about what gonna happen to him next episode.

1huge1

everytime i think i get locke i find out something new
and everytime i think he can be trusted he does something bad though i suppose he cant really be blamed for what happened to boone
(my opinion)

sephirosis

"the island", as locke likes to call it must like him. no doubt if he had had the use of his legs at that time, it would have been him up in that plane, what with his "can do" attitude. his legs recovered straight away after boones fall though, so it seems like "the island" saved/spared him.

qz

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sephirosis wrote:

his legs recovered straight away after boones fall though, so it seems like "the island" saved/spared him.

Or, the island didn't want Boone to survive, perhaps?

Binomate

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Note how the plane fell just as Boone got through on the radio. Every time the have an opertunity to help them get off the Islans something bad happens. i.e. Boone's death.

Basq

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sephirosis wrote:

"the island", as locke likes to call it must like him. no doubt if he had had the use of his legs at that time, it would have been him up in that plane, what with his "can do" attitude. his legs recovered straight away after boones fall though, so it seems like "the island" saved/spared him.

Now you're using the noggin!

sephirosis

qz wrote:

Or, the island didn't want Boone to survive, perhaps?

lol, possible.

Vokes

Great episode, Sun is fast becoming a favourite character of mine. Now that shes 'outted' and speaking english, i can see what a great actress she is.

basquille wrote:

Next New Episode: 1X19 - "The Greater Good" - 12th September 2005

Episode 21 surely!

Basq

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SofaKing wrote:

Episode 21 surely!

Whoops!

Yeah, OK.. that's why pencils have erasers and all that!

We're actually both wrong - episode 21 is 'The Journey' (a recap of Season 1) but RTE won't be showing that, i presume!

sephirosis

anyone notice any other characters in the back stories or anything hideen like that? i was on the look out, but caught nothing

Basq

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sephirosis wrote:

anyone notice any other characters in the back stories or anything hideen like that? i was on the look out, but caught nothing

Nope - none in Jack's or Locke's..

No more until much, much, much later in the season!

sephirosis

basquille wrote:

Nope - none in Jack's or Locke's..

No more until much, much, much later in the season!

bah
i do like those little cameos

OFDM

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basquille wrote:

We're actually both wrong - episode 21 is 'The Journey' (a recap of Season 1) but RTE won't be showing that, i presume!

The garbled response is also cleared up in that recap so you hear "Hello, but* we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815"

* The "but" may not be "but" as another sound is heard at the same time.

I'll mp3 the two different versions and post them up.

Average

i thought the two episodes weere brilliant tonight especially"do no harm"

Basq

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OFDM wrote:

The garbled response is also cleared up in that recap so you hear "Hello, but* we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815"

* The "but" may not be "but" as another sound is heard at the same time.

I'll mp3 the two different versions and post them up.

Yeah.. it's also in a recap promo that they did for the episode on the ABC website. Posted the address in the Lost thread when it was still going!

I'll see if i can dig it up!

RonanC

sephirosis wrote:

anyone notice any other characters in the back stories or anything hideen like that? i was on the look out, but caught nothing

Wasn't that Locke's mother we saw getting out of the car when Jack is by the pool and looks up hoping to see his father?

sephirosis

RonanC wrote:

Wasn't that Locke's mother we saw getting out of the car when Jack is by the pool and looks up hoping to see his father?

i dont THINK so, though i could easily be wrong tbh

OFDM

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OFDM wrote:

I'll mp3 the two different versions and post them up.

Here's the two versions zipped:

http://www.ofdm.utvinternet.com/Lost/We'reTheSurvivors.zip

They actually turn out to sound fairly similar.

Having listened to them again it sounds like:
"Hello we're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815"

Looks like people from the tail section might have survived after all. Which reminds of what Rose said to Jack in an early episode about "feeling" that her husband was still alive.

sephirosis

wowzers, well spotted. i'd be almost sure it is "WE'RE the survivors......" after listening to it again. the respondent even seems to strongly emphasis the "we're". thats quite the revelation and we nearly missed it. well done

Basq

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sephirosis wrote:

..the respondent even seems to strongly emphasis the "we're". thats quite the revelation and we nearly missed it. well done ..

Yeah, the reason the respondant emphasized the "WE'RE" is because they fecked it up the first time.

Even JJ mentioned this recently in an interview. And he also brought something quite interesting up. He said the only question is if was just the mic echoing Boone or if he was actually talking to someone else.

Quite a revelation for all those people who thinks the person on the other side of the radio conversation sounds like Boone.

sephirosis

basquille wrote:

Quite a revelation for all those people who thinks the person on the other side of the radio conversation sounds like Boone.

maybe.....the person on the other side of the conversation WAS boone <<i plays twilight zone music>>

gandalf

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Another excellent double header of lost. My favourite character Locke is getting weirder and weirder excellent.

Lads and Lassies you may want to review some of your posts above and use spoiler tags. I know I would be pissed if I read some of details above and hadn't seen the episode.

tvnutz

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gandalf wrote:

Another excellent double header of lost. My favourite character Locke is getting weirder and weirder excellent.

Lads and Lassies you may want to review some of your posts above and use spoiler tags. I know I would be pissed if I read some of details above and hadn't seen the episode.

The episode has aired,has IRL in the title as well as "spoilers within". If someone ventures in without having seen it,I think that would be their own fault!

Basq

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gandalf wrote:

Lads and Lassies you may want to review some of your posts above and use spoiler tags. I know I would be pissed if I read some of details above and hadn't seen the episode.

Nah.. the bottom line is this thread is for discussion of the episode and in every one of these i've made, i've clearly outlined "** SPOILERS WITHIN **" in the topic title and "- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN ?? -" in the body of that first post.

So people really shouldn't come go any further than that top-post if you haven't seen the episode, in my opinion!

PS - love the 'Dial V For Vendetta' avatar!

PPS - tvnutz got my back!

OFDM

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tvnutz wrote:

The episode has aired,has IRL in the title as well as "spoilers within". If someone ventures in without having seen it,I think that would be their own fault!

A necessary cruelty required to make the board readable.

basquille wrote:

Even JJ mentioned this recently in an interview. And he also brought something quite interesting up. He said the only question is if was just the mic echoing Boone or if he was actually talking to someone else.

The problem with that theory is that it doesn't echo exactly what Boone says:

Boone: Hello. Hello. Anybody out there? Mayday mayday.
Radio voice: Is someone there?
Boone Hello. Hello! Can you hear me?
Radio voice: Repeat the transmission please.
Boone. Hello. We're survivors of the crash of Oceanic Flight 815. Please copy.
Radio voice. Hello. We're the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815.

Other possibilities include the "Frequency" theory where Boone is talking to someone using a radio on the island in the future or the tail-section theory where it's the tail-section survivors responding.

The fact that the radio voice emphasises that they're the survivors is interesting. Why say that and not "we're also survivors of Oceanic Flight 815".

Perhaps the tail-section survivors hadn't contemplated the idea of there being front section survivors? Is their part of the island having a pessimistic effect on them whereas the front section survivors part of the island has a positive effect (Locke having faith in the island, Michael building the raft, etc).

Earthhorse

OFDM are both of those flight numbers meant to be the same?

Anyway, I thought this was a really good episode of ER...I mean Lost. Surprised how many people are expressing disappointment at it.

What I like about these episodes that revisit certain characters is how they change your opinion of them. I empathised with Jack up until this episode but now I think I'm beginning to like him too.

Though I dislike Boone I felt sorry for what happened.

Dades

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Cool episode. Best in a while for me.

When listening to the radio talk last night I thought the person on the other end said

"There were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815".
Listening to the thing again it still sounds like it to me.

(Good job with the MP3s BTW)

But I'm probably wrong as I think this was too important a scene for it to be something less than a weird connection with the past, future, or another bunch of castaways...

fightin irish

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WOW the mp3's seem to say ''hello'' ....... ''there were no survivors of oceanic flight 815''

Khannie

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The Atheist wrote:

When listening to the radio talk last night I thought the person on the other end said

"There were no survivors of Oceanic Flight 815".
Listening to the thing again it still sounds like it to me.

I thought that last night too, but I used an investigative technique I got off the TV where you repeatedly listen to just a little snippet (the bit that could be "we're the survivors" or "there were no survivors") over and over and over and over.

Seems clear to me now that it says "we're the survivors".

REVELATION!

OFDM

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Earthhorse wrote:

OFDM are both of those flight numbers meant to be the same?

Yes, I messed up. That post's edited now.

fightin irish wrote:

WOW the mp3's seem to say ''hello'' ....... ''there were no survivors of oceanic flight 815''

It's definately "we're the" not "there were no".

Dades

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OFDM wrote:

It's definately "we're the" not "there were no".

Hmmm

I've just come back and had a few (like 20) more listens and I think you're right. :eek:

How the hell anyone was supposed to gather that from watching on TV I'll never know.
Let's hear it for nerds and Da Net.

Lemlin

I'd be very wary of Locke after last night's episodes. Surely he knew that Boone was going to get hurt, as was shown in his dream, but he let him go into the plane anyway.

Binomate

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It was locke that told him to get out of the plane. Boone didn't listen to him. If he had have done what Locke said he'd still be alive.

Fridge

It's mad to see Locke so weak in these two episodes (19 and 20). He usually seems to be so calm, but he really didn't seem to know what to do half of the time.

From the way he was talking, I think he sent Boone up to the plane because he believed that was supposed to happen, even if Boone got hurt. I don't think he knew Boone was going to die though , because he wasn't dead inthe vision. However, maybe because Theresa, Boone's Nanny, fell and died, that was a clue Locke should have picked up on.
Any other thoughts on why Boone was saying that about Theresa in Locke's dream? Other than to show that it was supposed to happen?

What's up with Locke's legs anyway?
I had a bad reception so couldn't see - because a lot of the time the shots are reaaally really dark - I hate that, but was Locke trying to test his skin to see if he would bleed or something? Did he or what?

And how did he lose the use of his legs from the Kidney transplant?
If they really were his parents, why couldn't they just blow him off later, rather than just immediately ditch him?
And did the guy that told him about his father know what he was like?