Kanye West gets very emotional...

Giblet · 03-09-2005 11:30am #1

http://rapidshare.de/files/4663690/kanye.avi.html

Maybe he should have thought it through first. The look on Mike Myers face is classic.

Gazza22 · 03-09-2005 11:33am

Link not working for me...do you have to sign up to that rapid share first?

Giblet · 03-09-2005 11:34am

gazza22 wrote:

Link not working for me...do you have to sign up to that rapid share first?

Click the "Free" button, then wait about 30 seconds for your "ticket" to be queued.

RE*AC*TOR · 03-09-2005 11:43am

Fair play to him. He's dead right.

0utshined · 03-09-2005 12:12pm

Did you see the look on the guy at the end ?

Here's another link if that one isn't working : http://media.putfile.com/Kanye79

chillywilly · 03-09-2005 12:19pm

Fookin Hell!!!!!!!!that Was Crazy

Ciaran500 · 03-09-2005 12:20pm

LOL @ the ending.

Wertz · 03-09-2005 12:29pm

When Bush was gov of TX he supposedly cared about all the races in that state be in hispanic or black or otherwise....but since he's hit Pensylvania avenue, what West said is apparently spot on, and we're seeing evidence of that the last week or so....if this was the "big one" in California we'd have seen a completely different response I'd bet..
Oh and the look on that last guy's face was classic

Dave! · 03-09-2005 12:32pm

lmao, that's hilarious

Triton · 03-09-2005 12:36pm

Very funny. I think its the last live feed that station will let Kanye West do.

zAbbo · 03-09-2005 12:40pm

not really 'hilarious', guys just speaking his mind, comes across more emotional than anything.

I doubt what he said will help, spose its funny in a detached sorta way.

Mike Myers looked a bit stunned, and id say west's feed was cut, after he said George Bush doesn't care about black people.

He was right though, when it shows black people it says looting, when it shows white people it says 'trying to feed family'

SoupyNorman · 03-09-2005 12:40pm

The show, simulcast from New York on NBC, MSNBC, CNBC and Pax, was aired live to the East Coast, enabling the Grammy-winning rapper's outburst to go out uncensored.

There was a several-second tape delay, but the person in charge "was instructed to listen for a curse word, and didn't realize (West) had gone off-script," said NBC spokeswoman Rebecca Marks.

yea, the face on myers and tucker is brilliant but its a shame kanye was on his own on the outburst. fair dues to him he is completely spot on and hopefully he will gain a huge backing from his fellow artists but i can imagine them not wanting to tarnish their glittering images by being anyway outspoken.

kanye should give mr geldof a buzz! some combination that would be!

Gazza22 · 03-09-2005 12:42pm

Can't believe he said that :eek:

Well it couldn't be ruled out, look at his apporach to the disaster, he probably doesn't care at all...

Giblet · 03-09-2005 12:48pm

He has balls though, you wouldn't hear most artists being as outspoken. It's all about careers and bling. I liked the way he admitted that he hadn't thought to donate right away, can't fault him for putting on a sympathetic front.

SoupyNorman · 03-09-2005 1:00pm

The comment is such a wake up call, its probably THE most controversial thing said on tv, because everyone knows there is severe amount of truth to it.

Watching Bush tour the stricken region yesterday he looked false and wooden, looked like all he wanted to do was rush home for a shower.

Doper Than U · 03-09-2005 1:33pm

It's brilliant, and what KW says is true.. but again, it's all about "black people". The truth is there are all races and colours stuck in New Orleans, and GWB isn't helping ANY of them.. But he's right, the media portrayal of blacks "looting" and whites "finding" was disgusting.

The looks on Mike Myers and Chris Tucker's faces was hilarious.

daveyjoe · 03-09-2005 2:11pm

Kayne West should get his facts straight before speaking out on national TV.

"George Bush doesn't care about Black people"... What??? That is a highly emotive but entirely groundless thing to say.

There is nothing more that George Bush could have done, he gave $10 Billion of relief immediately and there's more to come. It's very sad that this has turned into a matter of race, The majority of people living in New Orleans are black so it makes sense that the majority of casualties are going to be black. If you want to point blame on anyone one person then blame the mayor.
To quote Matt Drudge "WHY DIDN'T YOU DEPLOY THE BUSES DURING THE MANDATORY EVACUATION, MAYOR?...".

I hope Kayne West realises how wreckless and incorrect his outburst was because he has turned the situation in New Orleans into something a lot more sinister than it really is, unforunately a lot of people will believe what he says without considering the facts, that is very sad.

zinc · 03-09-2005 2:39pm

Good god, I mean the guy is just sprouting an emotional response, nothing more and dosent deserve credit for it.

Like it or not there happens to be whites in New Orleans too, like it or not they seem to be doing most of the looting.

I mean sometimes, I wonder.

You're all missing the point, Bush dosent care about ANYONE.

zinc · 03-09-2005 2:40pm

daveyjoe wrote:

I hope Kayne West realises how wreckless and incorrect his outburst was because he has turned the situation in New Orleans into something a lot more sinister than it really is, unforunately a lot of people will believe what he says without considering the facts, that is very sad.

Very true, it is a childish outburst in my eyes.

Chong · 03-09-2005 2:56pm

Stupid more racist crap .

Hobbes · 03-09-2005 3:24pm

daveyjoe wrote:

There is nothing more that George Bush could have done, he gave $10 Billion of relief immediately and there's more to come.

After the fact. He should of been co-ordinating prior to the Hurricane coming. He didn't, he was on holiday and while people were watching others dying on TV he was playing guitar with some band photo-op.

Compare that to Clinton, who during his term cut his holiday short for a *pending* hurricane.

But lets not just blame Bush. Condi was catching in a broadway show followed by buying shoes while people were dying. A woman in the shop shouted at her "Wtf are you doing? People are dying" (sic) and Condi had the woman removed from the store instead of her doing her job. Cheny is MIA (on holiday but rumours he is sick).

Lets not forget that Bush actually refused aid from a number of countries. Russia and Germany are the ones I have seen reported. Plus cut the funds that may of stopped the flooding and moved the engineers working on it off to Iraq.

Now not only is New Orleans fuked but the US is in trouble now as well. Gas is low, oil may start dropping, foodstuffs/other goods are having problems getting into and out of the country. Despite Bush dropping border controls (after his anti-terrorist stance). This may very well be a serious turning point in the US.

Don't care about Black people? I get the impression Bush doesn't care about anyone except those corporations that put him into power.

Dave! · 03-09-2005 3:47pm

bravestarr082 wrote:

The comment is such a wake up call, its probably THE most controversial thing said on tv, because everyone knows there is severe amount of truth to it.

Watching Bush tour the stricken region yesterday he looked false and wooden, looked like all he wanted to do was rush home for a shower.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

I actually thought he looked kind of moved by the situation, to be honest, and I'm normally very critical of him. He was hugging people and everything, and he genuinely looked like he cared, as they sob in his arms.

Off topic: did anyone see after I think the Besland school siege, Putin visiting the hospital where the kids were? There's a nice shot of him putting his hand on a kid's head, then turning around and giving something of a "go on, get him out of my sight" gesture. It was gold, lol.

Sorry to digress..

Sparky · 03-09-2005 3:50pm

fair play to kanye west, true words, plus now hes said it in plan english
Bush hates black people
he also hates gays
and lesbians
and probably only loves the powerfull people with all the money.
but then again the question runs didnt these black people vote for him?
or was the votes faked because their electorial system is outdated.

zinc · 03-09-2005 4:06pm

WDK wrote:

Stupid more racist crap .

Yawn, more PC brigrade thought police crap.

daveyjoe · 03-09-2005 4:23pm

Hobbes wrote:

After the fact. He should of been co-ordinating prior to the Hurricane coming. He didn't, he was on holiday and while people were watching others dying on TV he was playing guitar with some band photo-op.

Compare that to Clinton, who during his term cut his holiday short for a *pending* hurricane.

But lets not just blame Bush. Condi was catching in a broadway show followed by buying shoes while people were dying. A woman in the shop shouted at her "Wtf are you doing? People are dying" (sic) and Condi had the woman removed from the store instead of her doing her job. Cheny is MIA (on holiday but rumours he is sick).

Lets not forget that Bush actually refused aid from a number of countries. Russia and Germany are the ones I have seen reported. Plus cut the funds that may of stopped the flooding and moved the engineers working on it off to Iraq.

Now not only is New Orleans fuked but the US is in trouble now as well. Gas is low, oil may start dropping, foodstuffs/other goods are having problems getting into and out of the country. Despite Bush dropping border controls (after his anti-terrorist stance). This may very well be a serious turning point in the US.

Don't care about Black people? I get the impression Bush doesn't care about anyone except those corporations that put him into power.

I'm not saying that Bush is the best president ever or anything, I just think that there isn't a whole lot that he could have done about this. Of course they knew the hurricaine was coming, but so did all the people who live in New Orleans, it wasn't classified information or anything, there was time to get out of the city and many of the smarter people did.

Who does this Kayne West guy think he is anyway, the pure intellectual power of of these know-it-all rap artists is indeed inspiring. His only valid point was about the white person "trying to feed their family" while the black person is "looting" but everything else he said was pure crap.

Also, Remeber that Bush had more African Americans in high level positions in his cabinet than any other president.

BigEejit · 03-09-2005 4:28pm

Just looked like an emotional outburst ... Myers did well to stop his jaw from hitting the ground ...

Dunno about the black = looters, white = surviving .... look at the footage, a picture tells a thousand words ... and no you cannot digest electrical equipment, clothes or money

JackKelly · 03-09-2005 4:29pm

daveyjoe wrote:

I'm not saying that Bush is the best president ever or anything, I just think that there isn't a whole lot that he could have done about this. Of course they knew the hurricaine was coming, but so did all the people who live in New Orleans, it wasn't classified information or anything, there was time to get out of the city and many of the smarter people did.

wtf? It happened on Monday. He made a speach about it and visited on Friday. For one, he could have spoken out and visited about 3 days earlier. He even admitted this himself.

daveyjoe wrote:

Who does this Kayne West guy think he is anyway, the pure intellectual power of of these know-it-all rap artists is indeed inspiring. His only valid point was about the white person "trying to feed their family" while the black person is "looting" but everything else he said was pure crap.

um, all else he said was that the red cross were doing their best and that alot of the people that could help are away in Iraq. His comment about George Bush not caring has certain truth to it. At least he has the balls to say it.

daveyjoe wrote:

Also, Remeber that Bush had more African Americans in high level positions in his cabinet than any other president.

He must really have a genuine love for them than. You being able to recall that fact, proves that publicity works.

Endurance Man · 03-09-2005 4:54pm

What on earth was that all about :eek: . Seemed like Mike Myers was reading from a script, and that kanya chap just went off on a rant

. Needs to visit the 'get it off your chest' thread a bit more often, good lord

.

scojones · 03-09-2005 5:11pm

Fair play to him tbh. He's 100% correct.

daveyjoe · 03-09-2005 5:25pm

TimAy wrote:

He must really have a genuine love for them than. You being able to recall that fact, proves that publicity works.

I'm not gonna repeat what I just said, George Bush is a fool I get it and I agree. I just think that Kayne West is an even bigger fool and he made a farce out of a show to help raise funds for those in New Orleans, why the hell does politics even have to come into it.

But George Bush is not a fecking racist, just because most of the people in New Orleans are black and the situation is a bit of a mess at the moment doesn't mean that Bush doesn't care about black people. I'll say it once IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE OR SKIN COLOUR.

The "Is it cos I'm black" argument is brought up far too regularly nowerdays, there is no need to bring it up because it's not an issue in this case.

StupidLikeAFox · 03-09-2005 5:42pm

I just think george bush is pretty selfish, and a tad slow to react to ANYTHING. Wasnt it the same with the twin towers? He's a pretty crap president, dont see how that equates to hating black people

lostexpectation · 03-09-2005 7:01pm

its got to with money and greed and selfishness, i dunno bout kanye west though he makes powerful song about the violance associated with gold and diamnod mining but he still wears big gold chains etc... i hate hip-hops association with showing off that you've got more then anyone else and he just as bad as the rest for it

Sauron · 03-09-2005 7:36pm

Fair play to Kanye.. to me, he seemed somewhat shaken and what he said seemed genuine.. and it took balls to criticise Bush like that on Live TV

hobbes wrote:

Don't care about Black people? I get the impression Bush doesn't care about anyone except those corporations that put him into power.

Truer words were never spoken. he seems to have screwed everyone over, even a lot of his supporters, throughout his presidency, everyone except the extremely wealthy.. almost all his tax cuts have benefited those at the top and taken from those at the bottom of the spectrum..

Hobbes · 03-09-2005 9:07pm

daveyjoe wrote:

I'm not saying that Bush is the best president ever or anything,

I think hes made the record as the worst ever.

I just think that there isn't a whole lot that he could have done about this. Of course they knew the hurricaine was coming, but so did all the people who live in New Orleans, it wasn't classified information or anything, there was time to get out of the city and many of the smarter people did.

From what I have seen. The majority could not leave. They didn't have cars, buses were not running fully. Airlines were cancelled (Also quite a few people died in their cars trying to get out). A lot bought rations and prepared but its a bit hard to eat your food while your under 20 feet of water. If he was a proper president he should of said "Lets Roll" to the national guard the second the hurricane was listed as a cat4. He should of been on the Majors ass making sure everyone was evacuated. He could of listened to numerous reports of this "accident waiting to happen" and ensured they were covered.

Bare in mind some countries were offering aid the second they heard it had been upgraded.

No instead all the money, resources and people are going to Iraq.

The majority of the poor in New Orleans are black. I've been watching it daily, those that were rescued were dumped off at the dome and told buses would come. They came and drove by. It took 5 days before there was any kind of response from Bush and even then it was half assed for the first day (eg. dropping medical supplies from height so they were all destroyed).

How anyone can defend Bush is beyond me. This is what the man did while people were dying

0utshined · 03-09-2005 9:58pm

Damn, he's even fingering that chord wrong!

I'm not going to defend the US goverment's reaction to this disaster. It was woefully inadequate and to refuse assistance from other countries like Canada and Russia seems short sighted at best. They were ill prepared and don't seem to have had any plan as to how to assist the people who were stuck there.

However I don't think that this poor reaction was due to the majority of NOLA residents being black. I'm sure if the majority were White\Asian\Hispanic the response would have been equally poor. Kanye got caught up in the situation and while I don't doubt his heart was in the right place, to try and turn this into a race issue is going to do no-one any good.

mang87 · 03-09-2005 10:09pm

Fair f'ing play to him.

I'd take the first chance I got to denounce George "Dubya" Bush on live television. I woulda said more, tbqfh.

D-Generate · 03-09-2005 11:38pm

I think Kanye West has a few screws loose to begin with.
He has pubicly said that the US government developed and adminstered AIDS to the African populace and that Crack was invented to halt the civil rights movement and to destroy African American communities. To be honest that says that he is pretty much a nutcase to begin with.

He is however correct about the media bias in regards to white people "finding" and black people "looting".
In regards to the allegation that Bush doesn't care about black people is that I don't really know. Perhaps Bush hates them or perhaps he loves them but either way whatever he was doing before the 2004 election made them and all the southern states vote him in. He only lost one country electoral registrar vote in Louisiana in the most recent election. Also as has already been stated, his administration has more African Americans in high office than any previous administration has.

To be honest, I don't like Bush's policies either but what I do dislike is peoples hatred of Bush letting their ability to come to an informed decision be clouded, e.g taking Kanye West's soapbox speech as being Gospel truth.

bush · 04-09-2005 12:18am

D-Generate wrote:

He has pubicly said that the US government developed and adminstered AIDS to the African populace and that Crack was invented to halt the civil rights movement and to destroy African American communities. To be honest that says that he is pretty much a nutcase to begin with.
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Rappers have been saying that for years though, hes not the first to have said it. I think hes just going with the flow.

evad_lhorg · 04-09-2005 12:39am

hahahha brilliant!!!

that was hilarious. just when he said "george bush doesnt care about black people" the face on mike myers was brilliant and then just as it cuts to the next guy he is clearly thinkin "oh shít"!

MrJoeSoap · 04-09-2005 12:40am

Thats a great piece of footage, as mang87 said above, Kanye saw a chance to criticise the most powerful and evil man on this earth and he took it.

The racism aspect doesn't really come into the flood reilef argument though.

As a complete aside, I went to New Orleans last year, and myself and 2 mates went for a ramble around the city hall district late one night, and met a homeless guy who told us that we were walking in a dangerous neighbourhood and walked us somewhere safer. He asked us for some money if we had any spare and I gave him a 20.

He was black, not that it matters at all, but I can't help thinking about the guy and how he got through it. He had nothing to lose, except his life.

*Back on point* - Fair play Kanye West.

EL_Loco · 04-09-2005 1:53am

I think Kanye could have been a little more accurate if he said "black or poor people" but fair play to him for saying it regardless. I would have loved if the video ran a bit longer to show how chris tucker actually handled it after cutting over to him so abruptly.

here's an email that got sent to me

Friday, September 2nd, 2005

Dear Mr. Bush:

Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.

Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?

Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!

I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?

And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!

On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.

There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.

No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!

You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.

Yours,

Michael Moore

nesf · 04-09-2005 2:03am

Micheal Moore, America's answer to Eddie Hobbes. i.e. dumber and louder.

dahamsta · 04-09-2005 3:03am

daveyjoe wrote:

There is nothing more that George Bush could have done, he gave $10 Billion of relief immediately and there's more to come.

Sorry, but no. Congress authorised relief aid, and even then it wasn't "immediately". GWB != Congress.

nesf, you do realise that the "Michael Moore is loud and dumb" is about as far from an original post you could get, yes?

adam

steviec · 04-09-2005 3:18am

Have to say fair play to Kanye for saying what he believed, even if it was completely misinformed, he was obviously being sincere and not just trying to get publicity out of the death of innocents like Michael Moore etc. are.

The fact is, it was a natural disaster. Sure the city could have been better prepared, but it's survived for decades with its current defenses. People make out that GW dismantled the levies or something, he didn't, he simply didn't improve them, just like every President before him. Not because he thought 'yea I wanna see all those civilians die', it was because the assumption was a disaster of that magnitude would never happen. Scientists predicted it would, eventually, just like they predict lots of disasters, but we'll never be fully prepared for everything nature throws at us. If protection was beefed up for every single worst case scenario scientists come up with it would be all we ever did.

The big issue was the response. Which was an absolute disgrace. I think its very very naive to suggest that Bush was personally in charge of everything that happened on the ground and the tactical rescue operation. If it went well the police and local authorities would have got all the praise. But it went badly so it's automatically Bush's fault. There's a chain of command, and something somewhere went very wrong and communication was obviously a failure, and it's something they'll have to look at in future.

A city that happened to have a largely black population got hit by a tragic natural disaster, and the aftermath was confusion and chaos and the authorities weren't able to deal with it efficiently. That's basically what happened. No racism involved. If it was primarily white the situation would be exactly the same. To honestly think some decision maker in the rescue operation decided 'their only black people, lets not bother' is delusional.

steviec · 04-09-2005 3:20am

dahamsta wrote:

Sorry, but no. Congress authorised relief aid, and even then it wasn't "immediately". GWB != Congress.

There's my point. Government does something good - that was congress. Government does something bad - that was Bush.

dahamsta · 04-09-2005 3:23am

Your point. Not mine.

OfflerCrocGod · 04-09-2005 5:55am

Lol the face on the other two guys as Mr West makes his statement I'll be laughing for weeks because of them. It was like this --> :eek: :eek: :eek: <-- lol ROFLMAO :eek: :eek:

Hobbes · 04-09-2005 8:41am

steviec wrote:

There's my point. Government does something good - that was congress. Government does something bad - that was Bush.

Or to put it another way. Government does something good Bush goes on photo ops on how it was all his idea. Fact of the matter is he should of been co-ordinating before the Hurricance struck to ensure that Americans were safe.

Niave to think that the President is safe to do nothing???

http://www.nandotimes.com/nt/images/floyd/floyd40.html

Notice the word "PENDING".

Or...
http://www.jimbovard.com/American%20Spectator%20Nov%201999%20FEMA%20Fiasco%20Hurricane%20Floyd.htm
In an unusual act that may now become standard operating procedure, President
Clinton pre-emptively declared federal emergencies in several states even before
the hurricane touched the continental U.S.--and, according to a FEMA employee,
"before the governors asked for assistance. This isn't permitted by the law, but
when was the last time Clinton obeyed the law?" With FEMA's encouragement,
Southern states issued mandatory evacuation orders to nearly three million
residents of coastal areas.

Now compare Clintons actions to Bush. Which one was acting more like a president to you?

he didn't, he simply didn't improve them, just like every President before him.

Unlike presidents before him he drastically slashed the budget for the levees every year (80% this year) and cut funding to flood control projects (50% cut this year). He also shipped the engineers off to Iraq. One of the congressmen in charge who complained was "let go".

You can't blame people for act of god, but you can blame them for criminal negligence.

Its not a racist issue. However the majority of the poor are black in NO. when the buses came to evacuate people they went by the convention center (where all the poor were) to pick up others for a good 2-3 days before someone took notice.

WellyJ · 04-09-2005 10:49am

His new album is great by the way

Cianos · 04-09-2005 10:56am

The way I see it is that if in one sentence he helped stop GWB getting into office next time round, then its a very good thing no matter what way you look at it.

dahamsta · 04-09-2005 10:59am

Cianos wrote:

The way I see it is that if in one sentence he helped stop GWB getting into office next time round, then its a very good thing no matter what way you look at it.

He can't become president again, he's on his second and final term. If you mean governor/senator/representative, that's just not going to happen. He'll be busy with his memoirs. He certainly won't be able to do the elder statesman thing, since he's never been a statesman.

adam

Kanye West gets very emotional...

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