Do you feel the same ?

Chong · 02-09-2005 8:23pm #1

Ok having seen the devastation that is occuring in NORL, what I want to gauge is what is everyones feelings towards the disaster. I feel ashamed to say it but I dont feel the same sympathy towards the country as whole like I did when the Tsunamis struck asia in January.

ANarcho-Munk · 02-09-2005 8:27pm

I sure as hell didn't like the rest of the countries tediously slow response to it.

I haven't been following to story too much tbh

Chong · 02-09-2005 8:29pm

Thats what I mean I was gripped when the Tsunamis hit but I just have been this disaster any attention. But Tbh the Americans are the own worst enemy with the looting and fires.

arbeitsscheuer · 02-09-2005 8:30pm

Tbh I feel worse because those who are suffering are predominantly poor Hispanics and African-Americans, and cos these are ppl who hav been shat on all their lives and now, when they really need help, their country continues to forsake them.

The response has been CRIMINALLY slow.

Shame on you Mr. Bush, Shame on you Mr Bush.

Zaph · 02-09-2005 8:34pm

I post on a couple of American boards and it's interesting that the biggest gripe people seem to have is that other countries have more or less ignored them, while many citizens of those same countries criticised the US for their initial "meagre" response to the tsunami aid effort. To be fair to them, they have a point. Just because the country is richer than everyone else doesn't mean they couldn't do with a hand and at least the offer of help from outside, be it financial or otherwise. Many of those worst affected are incredibly poor, apparently something like a third of all children in NO are below the poverty line. While there is plenty of time afterwards to criticise a country that rich for having so many so desperately poor, that won't help those people as they struggle to find food, water and sanitation.

On the flip side there are the idiot looters (I don't count taking food as looting) and those shooting at helicopters. I have no sympathy whatsoever for them.

Sparky · 02-09-2005 8:37pm

just goes to show how god works in strange ways, it takes a natural disaster to wake up america to what bush is like, and with all his freedom to the people crap, he doesnt even look at his own people.
i wonder how many votes he got down south last time round, id say the country is nearly broke, its a wonder they sent relief aid down to them, they've spent so much on the war on terrorism. He even needed bill clinton to lend a hand, and clintons responce was to take the politics out of this and just help them.
and the mayors responce was brilliant, get your asses down here, i dont care how many bus's you need to get, just do it.
I wonder if G.W will be planning a war on terror on mother nature soon.

Chong · 02-09-2005 8:38pm

Well things in the spiritual way have a way in coming back and biting on your ass.

IE : IRAQ

ANarcho-Munk · 02-09-2005 8:39pm

zaph wrote:

Many of those worst affected are incredibly poor, apparently something like a third of all children in NO are below the poverty line.

Yet another cock-up of the Bush administration....... :rolleyes:

Chong · 02-09-2005 8:40pm

The ppl of that country had their chance to oust GWB and they failed to answer the call to do this. Roll on Hilary Clinton 2008.

Anima · 02-09-2005 8:42pm

Its not the peoples fault that GW went to war in Iraq. You can't say they deserved this.

ANarcho-Munk · 02-09-2005 8:43pm

Diarmsquid wrote:

Anyone else feel that they kindadeserved it.?
Or am i just the worlds biggest sh!thead?
I mean, the whole war in Iraq, everyone there shooting everyone else.

You can hardly blame that on the american people though can you, yes they are pretty stupid to have voted G.W in for a second term, but come on, your comment is just being a tad bit ignorant.

Chong · 02-09-2005 8:44pm

Nope but someone said God works in mysterious ways.

Goodshape · 02-09-2005 8:46pm

WDK wrote:

Roll on Hilary Clinton 2008.

Jesus, is that the best we can hope for?

What's the story with aid anyway? Has the US asked for it (internationally), or has anyone offered any so far? It's school yard mentality maybe, but I'd personally be slightly inclined to take the "well your so great, deal with it yourself" stance on this one. But then there's still human life involved either way, so the ethics of that are highly questionable.

Messed up anyway... martial Law ffs. It'll be interesting to see how this develops.

(of course, the oil companys are still doing A-OK!)

Sparky · 02-09-2005 8:51pm

WDK wrote:

Nope but someone said God works in mysterious ways.

that was me:D

nesf · 02-09-2005 8:52pm

WDK wrote:

Nope but someone said God works in mysterious ways.

You have no idea... Take a look at this...

Chong · 02-09-2005 8:53pm

Soz big up Sparks Lmao

Chong · 02-09-2005 8:54pm

Jaysus I was thinking along the lines of Iraq.

Sparky · 02-09-2005 8:57pm

nesf wrote:

You have no idea... Take a look at this...

thats wierd.

AndyWarhol · 02-09-2005 8:58pm

Terrible tragedy. Whilst people are getting caught up in the hysteria of western media, remember this: it's all relative, a similar number of people die EVERY DAY in Africa from hiv/aids. The US is a rich country with a massive military capability, let them deal with it.

I'm really tired of media hysteria.

nesf · 02-09-2005 9:00pm

Sparky_S wrote:

thats wierd.

I find the oddest things online.

Personally, I wasn't suprised. There's always some nutcase who'll try and get a natural disaster to support their moral cause.

Sparky · 02-09-2005 9:03pm

probably american.

Diarmsquid · 02-09-2005 9:07pm

Anima wrote:

Its not the peoples fault that GW went to war in Iraq. You can't say they deserved this.

Yeah, you're right. I suppose they didn't really deserve it. If it happen solely to GW maybe but I'm sorry i said that

.

Pink Bunny · 02-09-2005 10:56pm

Ummm...ok....wtf? I can't believe the reactions I've read here and other places about "karma" "god's punishment" and "they deserve" it. It blows my mind! :mad:
If anyone said this kind of thing regarding the other natural disasters that have happened in other countries they would be suject to public ridicule, and rightly so.

Guy:Incognito · 02-09-2005 11:33pm

Without meaning to call anyone stupid but it seems pretty easy to distinguish who had a bit of cop on. The vast majority of peole you see on the news caught up in this disaster seem to come from the low intelligence black community( im not saying that black people are low intelligence but that like any group there is a low intelligence section , the equivelant to the white trash on Gerry Springer if you will) All the white folks in New Orleans ( with the exception of the trailer trash section) got the hell out of dodge when the were told to evacuate. Im not saying they deserved it, but they should have had the cop on to leg it when told, I mean governments arent in the habbit of evacuating cities for the craic.

Pigman II · 02-09-2005 11:38pm

On average 150,000 people die in the world every single day so no I don't particularily care about what's going on in NewOrleans atm tbh.

AARRRGH · 02-09-2005 11:41pm

SebtheBum wrote:

Tbh I feel worse because those who are suffering are predominantly poor Hispanics and African-Americans, and cos these are ppl who hav been shat on all their lives and now, when they really need help, their country continues to forsake them.

Ethnic minorities are shat on/suffer from oppression...? Bull****. They have the same opportunities as everyone else. In some cases, they have MORE opportunites (universities let a large amount of ethnic minorities with poor grades into college ahead of "white people" with good grades.)

I really don't see how your comment has anything to do with this disaster.

WDK wrote:

The ppl of that country had their chance to oust GWB and they failed to answer the call to do this. Roll on Hilary Clinton 2008.

She'll win it alright. But what happens when she gets her period? There goes Iran!

qz · 02-09-2005 11:44pm

dublindude wrote:

She'll win it alright. But what happens when she gets her period? There goes Iran!

Aha. :rolleyes:

Sauron · 03-09-2005 12:01am

nesf wrote:

I find the oddest things online.

I read about that first quote in Al Franken's "Lies, and the lying liars that tell them"
(great book by the way)

some nut called Jerry falwell making all these wild claims on some tv show that 9/11 was "allowed to happen" by the feminists , abortionists etc. trying to secularize america .. he was widely criticized after it.. but these kind of people make up a huge proportion of Bush's voters. He makes himself seem like he's on their side by slashing the funding of any program that even mentions abortions or stem cell research etc..

one of my favourite moments in that book was when a huge story was run in newsweek magazine about bush attending some bible camp with one of his senior friends and secretaries.. when the author questions this man about his and Bush's studies, he completely gets his facts wrong and doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.. and according to the story in newsweek magazine it was an "intensive, year-long scriptural boot camp, a new chapter each week."

I personally think Bush is not half as religious as he makes himself out to be for his bible-belt supporters.. in providing them with all the image of an anti-abortion, anti-stem cell research, born-again christian, he can count on their votes.. and thus is elected.. and everybody (except the very rich) pays later... i.e: the people of New Orleans, Clinton would have handled it much better..

he proclaims that he can protect the country and fights terror.. but Clinton was the one who initiated a huge anti-terror policy and his staffs' warnings about an attack on america were ignored by the new bush admin.. thus, 9/11 happens..
apparently, a huge amount of the national guard that could be helping in NO are busy in his mess in Iraq right now...

rsynnott · 03-09-2005 12:22am

zaph wrote:

I post on a couple of American boards and it's interesting that the biggest gripe people seem to have is that other countries have more or less ignored them, while many citizens of those same countries criticised the US for their initial "meagre" response to the tsunami aid effort. To be fair to them, they have a point.

No, they don't. Most of the world offered aid; they generally turned it down. (I think they accepted some from Canada)

Pigman II wrote:

On average 150,000 people die in the world every single day so no I don't particularily care about what's going on in NewOrleans atm tbh.

New Orleans is worrying because it's a glimpse into what'll happen all over the developed world as water levels rise and weather patterns change. I wonder will the Americans be more willing to be sensible about global warming, now that they've had a sneak preview?

OfflerCrocGod · 03-09-2005 1:13am

dublindude wrote:

She'll win it alright. But what happens when she gets her period? There goes Iran!

A bit old for that sort of thing she is.

Dave! · 03-09-2005 1:21am

I'm in shock reading reports like this...
http://s95150067.onlinehome.us/zs/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6210&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

It's anarchy there...

jrey1981 · 03-09-2005 1:23am

rsynnott wrote:

New Orleans is worrying because it's a glimpse into what'll happen all over the developed world as water levels rise and weather patterns change. I wonder will the Americans be more willing to be sensible about global warming, now that they've had a sneak preview?

It should be a wake-up call but we all know that it will not. One of the ironic things is that one of the most sought after commodities people are queueing for in New Orleans is petrol...people are doomed to carry on spewing out the very gases that may have exacerbated extreme climate change in the first place...and so it will carry on...one day we all may be victims of environmental devastation. Then, as now in New Orleans it will be every man for himself, run for the hills and the government will not do **** for you

Pigman II · 03-09-2005 1:28am

DaveMcG wrote:

I'm in shock reading reports like this...
http://s95150067.onlinehome.us/zs/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=6210&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

It's anarchy there...

Judging by the number of guns, gasmasks and pickup trucks featuring in avatars on that thread I think I'll take anything written there purely at a 'ya don't say?' level..

Gazza22 · 03-09-2005 1:45am

I just can't believe how much of a lazy approach was taken to deal with this disaster...

People have died, it doesn't matter what nationality they are so to all the people who don't feel the same or don't care because they're Americans, you should be ashamed

miss_gonzo · 03-09-2005 4:24am

I can't beleive that some are saying that the people in new orleans deserved this. they deserved to have their houses destroyed? to be without water, food or proper shelter for 5 days?

how did they even have any say in the war in iraq?? these are innocent ****en people and some have the balls to say they DESERVED this!!

and, i dont see the point in comparing the tsunami with katrina. both have caused devestation and destruction, leave it at that. whats the point in sayin which was worse??
i disagree completely with the american government but have nothing against their people at all. its such a shame what has happened to so many in new orleans, how they're government was so slow to react and what they allowed to happen.

hate bush all you want, but what an ignorant mindframe to imply that these innocent people deserved this tragedy

Macka · 03-09-2005 8:53am

Well if you take into account that New Orleans is bordered by a lake on one side and a river on the other with many canals joining both the lake and river together, then factor in the fact that New Orleans is below sea level to begin with and was protected by levees that many experts thought were too weak this was a disaster waiting to happen.

BigEejit · 03-09-2005 10:56am

Reading through that Zombie Squad forum, scary stuff indeed ... there is a link in there somewhere from some guys in a datacentre that are running on generators, have loads of pictures of people looting ... not a single foodstore, just robbing anything ...

The question in my mind is would this type of social breakdown happen in a city that did not have a large quantity of social welfare recipients ....?

Goodshape · 03-09-2005 12:18pm

BigEejit wrote:

The question in my mind is would this type of social breakdown happen in a city that did not have a large quantity of social welfare recipients ....?

Are you trying to suggest that the social welfare system is to blame?

Blisterman · 03-09-2005 12:25pm

How woulld everyone here feel if a similar thing happened in Ireland, and 10s of thousands of people died, and people said "Serves them Right for supporting the IRA"?

arbeitsscheuer · 03-09-2005 12:59pm

Blisterman wrote:

How woulld everyone here feel if a similar thing happened in Ireland, and 10s of thousands of people died, and people said "Serves them Right for supporting the IRA"?

Spot on.

Also, to the ppl saying "served them right" and all that utter sh*te, just f**king THINK for once in your lives:

1. Most ppl caught up in this disaster live below the poverty line, and are ethnic minorities.

2. These ppl, blatantly obviously, did not support the war in Iraq, and in all probability did not vote for Bush in either election or indeed at all.

3. These ppl were the ones who either could not get out of the city, or were ppl that were not an *ahem* priority for the security and rescue services to evacuate. That is to say the police and evacuating forces were more concerned with rescuing wealthy, Bush-supporting whitefolk than either ethnic minorities or indeed white trailer-park ppl.

Ergo, Bush couldn't a cr*p about those ppl. F**k it, they wouldn't be voting for him anyway, right?

The People of New Orleans DID NOT deserve this, and they have been BETRAYED by their own state and federal governments.

Tragedy and Travesty.

Amazotheamazing · 03-09-2005 1:14pm

I thought New Orleans is mostly a "black" city anyway, and isn't their Mayor black? Race really isn't that much of an issue, though poverty is.

Also I don't think social welfare had anything to do with it, unless people who work and are middleclass have found a way to go without food and water for more than 3 days? I don't think I'd let a glass window stop me if I was starving, thirsty and afraid for my life. Didn't some Dubliners loot Dublin during the 1916 rising?

Blisterman · 03-09-2005 2:10pm

Theres a difference between looting for food and looting for stereos. The minority of people in new orleans who are doing that are scum.

BigEejit · 03-09-2005 3:12pm

Goodshape wrote:

Are you trying to suggest that the social welfare system is to blame?

argh ... let people add 2 and 2 and some will come up with 1.5 ...

I'll put it another way, young unemployed (possibly unemployable?) people who put their daily activities as 'chillin' would have a predeliction to looting (designer / big name clothes - cars - electrical equipment etc ... non food items) in a situation where there was little chance of them being caught

I am specifically not going on about people stealing groceries in the current New Orleans situation, believe me, if I was in NO now and hungry/thirsty with no hope of supplies being delivered anywhere near me I'd be the first to ramraid the local walmart

Amazotheamazing · 03-09-2005 3:38pm

Well if that's the case didn't the army say it would not shoot people looking for food.

Zildjian Ryan · 03-09-2005 3:43pm

Diarmsquid wrote:

Anyone else feel that they kindadeserved it.?
Or am i just the worlds biggest sh!thead?
I mean, the whole war in Iraq, everyone there shooting everyone else.

You're a completele tool and I've lost all respect for you. You racist sonofabitch. People dying and you say this ****? I'd pound you into the ground if I ever meet you in Ireland.

AndyWarhol · 03-09-2005 3:50pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

You're a completele tool and I've lost all respect for you. You racist sonofabitch. People dying and you say this ****? I'd pound you into the ground if I ever meet you in Ireland.

Do you not see the irony in what you have just said?

Zildjian Ryan · 03-09-2005 3:52pm

AndyWarhol wrote:

Do you not see the irony in what you have just said?

Slightly, but I stand by what I just said. It was pure rage and my true feelings. Simple as that.

AndyWarhol · 03-09-2005 3:55pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

Slightly, but I stand by what I just said. It was pure rage and my true feelings. Simple as that.

Oh so if you're enraged, it's ok to pound someone into the ground?

rsynnott · 03-09-2005 3:59pm

AndyWarhol wrote:

Oh so if you're enraged, it's ok to pound someone into the ground?

A worryingly large section of humanity seems to believe this.

Sauron · 03-09-2005 4:01pm

I see absolutley no logical explanation for thinking that ordinary people deserve to loose their entire city, family, friends and way of life because of their countires actions.... other than a seriously warped and indifferent attitude..

I say ordinary people, because they are ordinary like us... they have done bad things, they have done good things, they have poor people, they have rich people, Democrats, republicans, people of Varying beliefs.
it is imposible to place blame for the actions of a country on one city...
while there are people looting.. there are many people who aren't looting-taking refuge in the superdome.. you get assholes in every city..

If Manchester had been flooded in such a way.. would they have deserved it for their countrie's part in Iraq? would you feel the same? or is it just an anti american attitude you have?

Boston · 03-09-2005 4:04pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

You're a completele tool and I've lost all respect for you. You racist sonofabitch. People dying and you say this ****? I'd pound you into the ground if I ever meet you in Ireland.

Isn't it cool to threaten people over the internet. If it had of hit some nice rich area of america full of republican voters who had been screwed over to pay for an illegal war, I'd be the first to say they deserve it. But then again thats hardly likely. I've read blogs that say their only stoping the luthing in rich areas of the city. Personally i say let them steal whatever they want, what few cops they have shouldn't be protecting the well off.

Do you feel the same ?

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