School Vs. CTYI

02-09-2005 3:50pm #1

I know it's a little (a lot) unfair to compare them, but has anyone else noticed how being treated differently will allow you to flourish, as in CTYI

Examples

Petty Rules
My school is making me get my hair cut, no 2 ways around it, no hair cut, no school.
Teacher respect
In CTYI discussions are guided by the instructor, in school the teacher sets a path, anyone who deviates gets given out to.
Classroom etiquette
CTYI classroom's have room for a joke and a laugh, do it once in school and you get marked off a list.

I'm sure there's plenty more, feel free to add..

PurpleFistMixer · 02-09-2005 4:13pm

The two are so different I don't even try and think of them in the same sort of a category (or if one wanted to be psychological, 'schema', :rolleyes: ). It'd just highlight how horribly, horribly not ctyi school is. D=

There's a worrying number of smilies in that post. Being two.

Aoibheann · 02-09-2005 4:20pm

This has most definitely been discussed, oh, about a million times.

Anyway, if it's a public school, then they can't actually make you get your hair cut, freedom of expression and all that (but yeah, it'd still cause hassle), but if it's a private school, they can do whatever they want, really. Unfair, but c'est la vie.

I dunno about the second point, discussions in many of my classes have been known to deviate quite a lot...even by the teacher. Same with the third point, with the exception of a couple of teachers, most let us have a laugh or whatever, they just want us to settle down for the leaving cert. probably lucky to be in a school like that though.

Raphael · 02-09-2005 4:48pm

All three of those are just your specific school, different places have different standards.

Flashling · 02-09-2005 4:56pm

I know I was really surprised when I went back to school at how different it was from CTYI. Kind of a "once you've had the best.." type thing. The first day, there was a debate, and it was won with the point "no, but you're wrong". People are way more...better in CTYI. Imagine a CTYI school! Wouldn't it be magical?

Aoibheann · 02-09-2005 5:04pm

Raphael wrote:

All three of those are just your specific school, different places have different standards.

That being why I said "I'm probably lucky to be in a school like that though."
I'm well aware of the fact that different schools do have different standards, yes.

Aoibheann · 02-09-2005 5:06pm

Flashling wrote:

I know I was really surprised when I went back to school at how different it was from CTYI. Kind of a "once you've had the best.." type thing. The first day, there was a debate, and it was won with the point "no, but you're wrong". People are way more...better in CTYI. Imagine a CTYI school! Wouldn't it be magical?

We don't speak of that after last time it was brought up...

Mr.D.Leprachaun · 02-09-2005 5:19pm

The main problem with my school, as opposed to CTYI, is the people. Only after CTYI did I realise that the reason I'm different from them is not because I'm a freak, as I've been led to believe, but that they're all scangers! Seriously, about 98% of them are! I didn't know that wasn't he absolute norm until I heard CTYIzens talking about people who were what I thought was normal under the label scanger! Bah! I hate Monaghan! :mad:
Btw if any Monaghonians are reading this I apologise! Your CTYIness absolves you from any Monaghonianism in which you chose to indulge!

Mr.D.Leprachaun · 02-09-2005 5:22pm

P.S. let me apologise profusely if I have offended anyone!

rainbowkeruffle · 02-09-2005 5:54pm

It would rock if we could go to ctyi instead of school. Ctyiers just let everyone be themselves and appreciate diversity. It would be a lot more sensible if school would scrap all the stupid exams and just let students learn and flourish like in ctyi, but thats not very likely to happen soon. How hoopy would it be if we could go to ctyi ALL YEAR ROUND????? Hmm... at least one of us should make it our ambition to revolutionise the irish education system by making an all year round ctyi. For ctyiers only, of course.

Un-Big · 02-09-2005 6:03pm

The main difference for me is the people aswel. They suck. Really they do. They're all either profusely normal, complete bitches, or phonies. That said there are a handful of nice peoples but... *sigh* it's just so much easier and more fun to make friends in CTYI. I don't see why they couldn't/shouldn't make a CTYI school, it'd just be like, school for really really smart peoples. Then again, you'd get loads of people who wouldn't usually come to CTYI, like, the summer courses and stuff, ya know, smart people who arent CTYIers basically, so I doubt there'd be... err... harmony =\ (<--what a poorly structured sentence)

Mr.D.Leprachaun · 02-09-2005 6:08pm

On the basis of that suggestion I'm declaring rainbowkeruffle officially God!

StupidLikeAFox · 02-09-2005 6:19pm

Well schools need to get results, CTYI doesnt. Also if your causing trouble in CTYI you can be sent home, its a lot harder to throw you out of a school. In CTYI you feel privileged to attend, therefore your going in with a different mindset than school, as in your being made attend

PurpleFistMixer · 02-09-2005 6:23pm

Oh dear god people, Aoibheann already said it, we do NOT need to bring up the 'ZOMG CTYI SCHOOL!' thing again.

Just search the forum, find the last time it was brought up, read through however many different threads there are on it, then come back if there's something new or revolutionary to say on the matter.

Shellie13 · 02-09-2005 6:23pm

rainbowkeruffle wrote:

It would rock if we could go to ctyi instead of school. It would be a lot more sensible if school would scrap all the stupid exams and just let students learn and flourish like in ctyi.How hoopy would it be if we could go to ctyi ALL YEAR ROUND????? Hmm... at least one of us should make it our ambition to revolutionise the irish education system by making an all year round ctyi. For ctyiers only, of course.

Lets see the minister for education agreeing to that... Scrap the leaving we're too smart for it... Go down a treat! Would be heaven though...

Hugh Hefner · 02-09-2005 6:23pm

I had a really good, long post written about this but it was deleted when I clciked "submit reply" so I'll just summarise: I agree.

Shellie13 · 02-09-2005 6:24pm

Hugh Hefner wrote:

I had a really good, long post written about this but it was deleted when I clciked "submit reply" so I'll just summarise: I agree.

Dont be so lazy!!!!!

It wasn't me! · 02-09-2005 6:28pm

Sigh, believe me, you don't want to bring up the CYI "school" topic. Seriously, it's been done to death and it just isn't going to happen, face it. Also, were it to, it wouldn't be anything like CTYI, it'd be a school.

StupidLikeAFox · 02-09-2005 6:29pm

Hmmm, i wonder if it was CTYI all year round would we look forward to going back to school for 3 weeks in the summer.

Oh wait, im going to college, nevermind.

Mocha One Sugar · 02-09-2005 6:31pm

All i can say is:
In CTYI I'm treated with respect by my teachers.

rainbowkeruffle · 02-09-2005 6:42pm

On the basis of that suggestion I'm declaring rainbowkeruffle officially God!

Why thank you.

And we know its never going to happen, but wouldn't it be fun to have somewhere where your teachers could recommend you to good colleges or something like that instead of cramming years of education into a weeks worth of exams? i dont mean a ctyi school, i mean ctyi instead of school. i know it is never going to happen ever, but its a fun thing to fantasize about.

lemon_sherbert · 02-09-2005 6:48pm

I dunno (although I realise I created a post of similar nature this time last year) school doesn't seem all that bad. Maybe I'm just lucky in my school. Today my physics homework was to look at spoons and think about mirrors. and the people, though not near ctyiers, aren't all that bad.

And a CTYI school would never work.... Don't eat me. *cowers*

Outcast · 02-09-2005 6:58pm

Ok, has anyone else noticed that if you shout inneuendo in school it dosen't go down as well as in CTYI...or surprise sex for that matter!

Un-Big · 02-09-2005 7:08pm

yeah, neither does the idea of selling customised spoon bracelets =\

Outcast · 02-09-2005 7:11pm

But school authorities are meant to encourage creative enterprise

Un-Big · 02-09-2005 8:18pm

Not much use if you're trying to speak for 3 other people while trying to figure out what to do for a mini-company. That said, when I mentioned it to the teacher he was like:.....wtf?? *sigh* I hate weirdophobics

invisibleghost · 02-09-2005 8:23pm

Well I definately agree, school sucks major ass compared to CTYI socially and academically. (Though at CTYI, since everyone is so fantabulously weird you can't have fun creeping people out like you can at school

)

And a CTYI school thing would rock :cool:

Undergod · 02-09-2005 8:52pm

Deleted User wrote:

I know it's a little (a lot) unfair to compare them, but has anyone else noticed how being treated differently will allow you to flourish, as in CTYI

Examples

Petty Rules
My school is making me get my hair cut, no 2 ways around it, no hair cut, no school.
Teacher respect
In CTYI discussions are guided by the instructor, in school the teacher sets a path, anyone who deviates gets given out to.
Classroom etiquette
CTYI classroom's have room for a joke and a laugh, do it once in school and you get marked off a list.

I'm sure there's plenty more, feel free to add..

1. The bastards!
2. 2nd year Geography- Weather to fascism in 0.5 seconds. I do not exaggerate. Best ranting teacher ever.
3. Absolutely. It's a rare teacher that will allow you to have fun and still get work done, and now I'm in fifth year.

lemon_sherbert wrote:

Today my physics homework was to look at spoons and think about mirrors.

Likewise! Sheer brilliance.

Jade Chihuahua · 02-09-2005 9:00pm

School is basically just pressure to do well in exams and teachers trying to force everyone to conform to the exact same appearance, personality( ie, none) and tryig to crush all individualism..........so I dont considder myself to be a lazy, unstudious weirdo.......no, Im fighting against the system!!

CTYI may not be its own school, but when the revolution comes and the Republic of CTY is formed, we shall inherit the world, stupid/weirdophobe/ boring people will be shot out of cannons and we will control the school systems......until then, keep thy heads down and wait for the revolution!!!

CTYI is a truly amazing place and the people there are unlike any others Ive met, in the best possible way, but a lot of that comes from the fact that we're away from school and we can compare them, if CTYI became our school, it would be the definite standard that we'd measure everywhere else by............and they would all suck major ass in comparison!!

Viva la revolution!!

Chowburger · 02-09-2005 9:33pm

Ack, this is like that section on the back of the final evaluation thingy, where you're basically giving CTYI promotional material - '97% of CTYI students say they're treated with more respect on the summer programme than at school yadda yadda yadda...' (Not that I object. I'd sing CTYI's praises if it wouldn't scare people away.)

But what I mean is they're like chalk and cheese, nothing alike, [strike]one is infinitely superior to the other[/strike], and I don't like to associate the two in my mind in any way.

Mr.D.Leprachaun · 02-09-2005 9:34pm

Oo! Can I be the dude who fires a pistol into the ceiling of whatever building we complete our glorious revolution by capturing? Please!

Piste · 02-09-2005 10:02pm

A CTYI school wouldn't work. For for information on this topic go search another thread we had here last year.

rainbow kirby · 03-09-2005 12:16am

And every year since I was still a young'un.

elephamt king · 03-09-2005 12:34am

Aoibheann Brady wrote:

This has most definitely been discussed, oh, about a million times.

Anyway, if it's a public school, then they can't actually make you get your hair cut, freedom of expression and all that (but yeah, it'd still cause hassle), but if it's a private school, they can do whatever they want, really. Unfair, but c'est la vie.

I dunno about the second point, discussions in many of my classes have been known to deviate quite a lot...even by the teacher. Same with the third point, with the exception of a couple of teachers, most let us have a laugh or whatever, they just want us to settle down for the leaving cert. probably lucky to be in a school like that though.

my irish teacher said that i must be a bit to the side, i.e gay, for having long hair and also made my friend(whos atheist and at a public school) say the "our father" because its non-denominational.

Un-Big · 03-09-2005 11:31am

elephamt king wrote:

and also made my friend(whos atheist and at a public school) say the "our father" because its non-denominational.

I wudve thrown a f*cking fit. *twitch* seriously, it would have been in the news O.o *violent twitch*

Jade Chihuahua · 03-09-2005 7:06pm

Mr.D.Leprachaun wrote:

Oo! Can I be the dude who fires a pistol into the ceiling of whatever building we complete our glorious revolution by capturing? Please!

Pistol? no. Baby loaded laser cannon, yes!

(Since its a laser cannon, the bebies aren't actually fired from it, they're just loaded into it anyway.......)

Mr.D.Leprachaun · 03-09-2005 8:59pm

Damn kids and your new-fangled high-tech weaponry! But if it kills frogs...

KieranusTyranus · 03-09-2005 10:54pm

My school made me cut the peroxide streak out of my hair. Ive also got in trouble for disagreeing with my Religion teacher for criticising the Church and with another for refusing to say a prayer. I could be easily expelled because I live outside the catchment area. We all have to wear the same jacket as well.

KieranusTyranus · 03-09-2005 11:03pm

Jade Chihuahua wrote:

School is basically just pressure to do well in exams and teachers trying to force everyone to conform to the exact same appearance, personality( ie, none) and tryig to crush all individualism..........so I dont considder myself to be a lazy, unstudious weirdo.......no, Im fighting against the system!!

CTYI may not be its own school, but when the revolution comes and the Republic of CTY is formed, we shall inherit the world, stupid/weirdophobe/ boring people will be shot out of cannons and we will control the school systems......until then, keep thy heads down and wait for the revolution!!!

CTYI is a truly amazing place and the people there are unlike any others Ive met, in the best possible way, but a lot of that comes from the fact that we're away from school and we can compare them, if CTYI became our school, it would be the definite standard that we'd measure everywhere else by............and they would all suck major ass in comparison!!

Viva la revolution!!

The Army of Invernia will help!!! We appeal to sholinia to aid us in this glorious battle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-09-2005 11:04pm

My hair is now cut, if i had a nice liberal, free-love school this would not be the case, Damn it!

Check my journal for before and after pics, it's pretty shocking

Crash · 04-09-2005 3:41am

If i can point out one thing - the idea of school is to keep a regiment of learning towards attaining a college entry point or a reasonable job after finishing - whereas the point of CTYI is "learning and fun".

the two dont exactly mix.

also, in fairness, teachers are trying to do their job. they're dealing with kids who, for the most part, dont necessarily want to be there, who give cheek, give hassle, dont give respect and expect it back.

I know from working as a TA the only thing that actually got to me and really annoyed me was when i felt i wasnt actually getting any respect, which i was giving to the students anyway. Getting up in front of a class for even a short time is really, really hard (i taught computer programming to the class, before my voice went, and was nervous as hell, and i think if the TP class hadnt been as sound as they were, it would've been hell) - basically its a very different work environment in school - personally in retrospect, i'd have no issue with clamping down as much as some of my teachers did, as you did have to follow a set curriculum and get that work done.

and, with nearly everyone in the world, you give them a hand and they take an arm :P

the evil lime · 05-09-2005 9:46pm

Yeah.... I'm gonna chime in on the side of the authorities here.

I actually had a great time in school (don't shoot me). I'm just done now, and off to college. I really enjoyed my last three years. Don't get me wrong, ther was no fun to be had in the first three, but after transition year I started getting involved with stuff and had a great time. We made films, had tallent shows, ran a fully student directed and funded play, did debate contests and such.

I'm just wondering, was it just me, or did anyone else out there enjoy school?

Oh, for those of you who haven't finnished the Junior Cycle yet, I say this:
The way the courses are constructed makes them as dull as they are. The room for discussion and debate comes into the Senior Cycle (eg. history, english etc.).

Oh, and may I re-itterate.... don't shoot me....

doonothing · 05-09-2005 10:11pm

english and history can be more lively depending onthe teacher...
it all depends on the teacher really, my maths teacher has made it such a fun class, i actually look forward to maths! even the doubles!

then td and irish. i used to really like these subjects, now they couldnt be more terrible, all because pf the teachers. yes, they have to get a curriculum taught, but my teachers seem like they dont even want to be there. and there's no respect at all, it insane.

and the religion teachers, my god do they put on a class! they treat you like such an equal, and are so great, and wow.. they're fantastic teachers.

its all down to the teachers, is what im getting at..

Mr.D.Leprachaun · 05-09-2005 10:48pm

the evil lime wrote:

Yeah.... I'm gonna chime in on the side of the authorities here.

I actually had a great time in school (don't shoot me). I'm just done now, and off to college. I really enjoyed my last three years. Don't get me wrong, ther was no fun to be had in the first three, but after transition year I started getting involved with stuff and had a great time. We made films, had tallent shows, ran a fully student directed and funded play, did debate contests and such.

I'm just wondering, was it just me, or did anyone else out there enjoy school?

Oh, for those of you who haven't finnished the Junior Cycle yet, I say this:
The way the courses are constructed makes them as dull as they are. The room for discussion and debate comes into the Senior Cycle (eg. history, english etc.).

Oh, and may I re-itterate.... don't shoot me....

*BANG!*

slasher_65 · 06-09-2005 5:56pm

Mr.D.Leprachaun wrote:

The main problem with my school, as opposed to CTYI, is the people. Only after CTYI did I realise that the reason I'm different from them is not because I'm a freak, as I've been led to believe, but that they're all scangers! Seriously, about 98% of them are! I didn't know that wasn't he absolute norm until I heard CTYIzens talking about people who were what I thought was normal under the label scanger! Bah! I hate Monaghan! :mad:
Btw if any Monaghonians are reading this I apologise! Your CTYIness absolves you from any Monaghonianism in which you chose to indulge!

that person deserves a award! (in ctyi standerds, a hug.) so true!

slasher_65 · 06-09-2005 6:09pm

KieranusTyranus wrote:

My school made me cut the peroxide streak out of my hair. Ive also got in trouble for disagreeing with my Religion teacher for criticising the Church and with another for refusing to say a prayer. I could be easily expelled because I live outside the catchment area. We all have to wear the same jacket as well.

terrible. as evil crazy warlord of invernia, i say we burn the place down an feed the ashes to fire crazed dogs. last time i tried t do my thing 9puttting all the bibles into the fiction section of the libry)i got in truble. a discrase if u ask me!

Outcast · 06-09-2005 7:17pm

It is a disgrace, but that was a pretty good way to express yourself

Mr.D.Leprachaun · 06-09-2005 8:32pm

slasher_65 wrote:

that person deserves a award! (in ctyi standerds, a hug.) so true!

Why thank you!

Unless you're being sarcastic! :mad: In any case the thing with the Bibles earns you an imeasureably big award! (i.e. multiple hugs from the persons of your own choosing!)

Crash · 06-09-2005 11:36pm

Ah yes, disrespecting someones religion, Kudos, Kudos.

ChocolateTurtle · 07-09-2005 1:26pm

As far as school goes, are needs are not being catered for. Technically we're special needs but nowhere has facilities for us. Ok, I know no-one is going to want to go to a nerd class on their own but it would be nice to have the option.

Outcast · 07-09-2005 2:21pm

Well it would never be allowed in my school. They constantly tell everyone to strive for excellence academically but still hate to acknowledge excellence in case it makes those who don't get it feel bad. Of course they'll have try outs for sports teams where people don't get in and the same for music, they'll have awards for both of these and it won't be a problem. The only thing they're not willing to reward is academic achievment, which is the reason we go to school in the first place.

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