Coonagh Cross

clubvinyl

www.coonaghcross.com

Looks like a class centre..badly needed out this side of town

Amazotheamazing

Badly needed alright, good to see they are also developing a park by the Clonmacken roundabout, on the way towards Ivans. That area could be a great addition to the city, so close to the city centre, with a very pleasant riverside walk to enjoy.

scuba steve

looks pretty good

scuba steve

Amazotheamazing wrote:

Badly needed alright, good to see they are also developing a park by the Clonmacken roundabout, on the way towards Ivans. That area could be a great addition to the city, so close to the city centre, with a very pleasant riverside walk to enjoy.

is that the big field across from Clun Dara? where the circus used to be years ago

Chong

Nope beside ashline motors.

mysterious

I also heard that a petrol station is been knocked near coonagh cross to be turned into a hotel complex! hope to see it built!

Chong

The movie on the site makes it look real class.

ricey

I live just up the road in Caherdavin so all i can say is yup cant blody wait!

this side of the town needs all this development BIG TIME.

mysterious

This is exciting! i browsed the site, but dissapointed that it dosent show plans of the buildings and structures , not just the field plans?? :mad:

there was some areas of interest to me , such as this willo be the largest shopping centre in the mid-west???
The cresent looks bigger not to mention the extenstion currently comming on now

rok

http://www.chieftain.ie/coonagh/

more from the Architects website
External http://www.bwarchitects.co.za/coonaghproj.htm
Site plan + layout http://www.bwarchitects.co.za/coonagh2proj.htm
Foodcourt http://www.bwarchitects.co.za/coonagh3proj.htm
Westmall http://www.bwarchitects.co.za/coonagh4proj.htm

Some plans/pictures in the pdf at http://www.coonaghcross.com/downloads.htm


Originally Posted by Amazotheamazing
Badly needed alright, good to see they are also developing a park by the Clonmacken roundabout, on the way towards Ivans. That area could be a great addition to the city, so close to the city centre, with a very pleasant riverside walk to enjoy.
Amazo - where abouts are they planning this park , on the link road from Barringtons Pier to Clonmacken? Limerick could do with a decent public park alright.

Any idea when this will be completed? Website just says "Project progress Update - 'Planning expected May 2005' "
a few months ago there was a billboard up beside Coonagh Roundabout, advertising the Coonagh Cross centre, with completion date of mid 2006, but billboard was only up for a few weeks

spinalsly

i think it will be completed in 2008 because it says it going to try and be completed at the same time of the phase 2 of the ring road which is 2008.

MINOGUE

The plans, sections and elevations are on file for public display in the County Hall ie Limerick County Council's Planning Department on the first floor in Dooradoyle.

gaf1983

Phase One is going to be completed and open in spring of 2007.

spinalsly

http://coonaghcross.com/Video/High.mov

theres a link to a video of it

reminds me alot of liffey vallley in dublin!

IrishMike

Holy crap yet another shopping center
Theres the
parkway
childers road
that homebase place across from the parkway
the new estate with b+q
cresent
jetland
Huge dunnes on henry street
arthurs quay
now the coonagh road
theres also talks of someone buying the entire of ellen street and making it into a huge shopping center
where the hell are all the shoppers coming from ?
every day each of these are packed
city is gone crazy

billy the squid

maybe they are staying at all the hotels being built

spinalsly

IrishMike wrote:

Holy crap yet another shopping center
Theres the
parkway
childers road
that homebase place across from the parkway
the new estate with b+q
cresent
jetland
Huge dunnes on henry street
arthurs quay
now the coonagh road
theres also talks of someone buying the entire of ellen street and making it into a huge shopping center
where the hell are all the shoppers coming from ?
every day each of these are packed
city is gone crazy

alot of what you mentioned are retail parks and just places like dunnes stores, i owuldnt even clasify them as shopping centres

mysterious

Well statistics shows Limerick people have the third most filled pockects after Dub and Kildare,

also Limerick is one the biggest commercial cores outside of Dublin and has a more advantagous location than Cork or Galway. By been situated between the 2, plus having a thriving and growing hinterland.
when considering it has Shannon airport and good road rail links that make it possible for the like's of waterford people going to Galway and visa versa
same with Cork-Galway they all have to pass through the city.
So Limerick also has a lot of passing traffic.

I don't think anyone know the real population of this city,
When the city had at one stage 80,000 within its original city boundary.
Isay its over 100,000, dooradoyle alone is just huge, with new ring road i'd say its approaching patrickswell??


Anyway as for the coonagh cross, that side of the city needs a decent size shopping centre.
I just hope to god, its not another Dunnes if it is,
Limerick needs boycott them for taking our money and choices.

scuba steve

Limerick is turning into like America the way big centres are opening around the place eg. BnQ, Dunnes etc

mysterious

I somewhat dissagree, with your comment on turning into America,

the city council and county counicil have a plan for areas that have retail zones and suburban zones and other aoned areas

The underbounded city and high commericial rate are giving retailers no option but to move to greenfield sites around the city,

Cork and Galway are building retail parks like Limerick, whereas Limerick is under more pressure to do so.

There are four core retail areas


1.City centre CBD

mysterious

I somewhat dissagree, with your comment on Limerick turning into America,
Some of the retail parks are ugly and sprawling
But at least there is planning involved and not right next to your house etc..


the city council and county counicil have a plan for areas that have retail zones and suburban zones and other aoned areas

The underbounded city and high commericial rate are giving retailers no option but to move to greenfield sites around the city,

Cork and Galway are building retail parks like Limerick, whereas Limerick is under more pressure to do so.

There are four core retail areas


1. City centre CBD
2. Raheen Dooradoyle i.e (the Cresent)
3. Castletroy, Parkway retail area
4. Caherdavin, Jetland & Coonagh cross

This strategy makes sense as its planned in zones and serves the area rightly.


As for retail parks 80% of its is around the the Dublin road/Ballysimon area.

the Reasons why its planned well,
1. There is a huge market and residential area there
2. Major roads and easy access
3. competition
4. Zoned areas around there are for suburban retail/commerical use
5. to attract costumers from not just Limerick but nationally
And finally if Limerick didnt have them they would go to the other cities
rather than having one lets say near the city centre like the one in Galway at the headford road, which is like America!
They are planning mistakes, Limerick is least redeveloping and bring life back to the city centre. this is good planning sense.




4.

mr.sparkle

mysterious wrote:

I also heard that a petrol station is been knocked near coonagh cross to be turned into a hotel complex! hope to see it built!

Yes they are knocking it down.

Its a great development and I think its about time there was somesort of development put in the area, othewise it will become run down I mean people will loose interest unless they do put new developments there!:rolleyes:

Amazotheamazing

I heard the planning has come through for this project, anyone got more details? Is it still a good idea?

My only real fear from this project is that we will see the city grow further into Clare, do we really want Bunratty to be a suburb of the city in 10 years, in the way Annacotty has become, with less and less of a green belt surronding the city proper?

phonemonkey

If limerick shows that much growth in 10 years Ill be shocked. I think the more developments the better

Amazotheamazing

phonemonkey wrote:

If limerick shows that much growth in 10 years Ill be shocked. I think the more developments the better

I think Limerick will grow that way, especially with the new services being brought on line by these devlopments. Maybe out as far as Bunratty is unrealistic, but it's still somewhat inevitable.

All developments properly handled, should be welcomed.

Poxyshamrock

They Really would want update the coonagh cross hopping centre website now as it has been like that since spring '04 and a section says that it should have been updated in Autumn '05

D-A-V-E

that talk about limerick growing into clare and bunratty is a crock of sh*t. realistically looking at limerick, limerick will grow out, yes, but not into clare.limerick knows better than to grow blindly into other boundaries, with all the current problims on the clare limerick boundary issue its just more recipy for a fight between the two counties over who ownes the houses so it definately will not happen. Limerick will definately grow, there no doubt about that, but all the growth areas will be concentrated south of the shannon river, castletroy, raheen/dooradoyle, town, nd maybe coonagh. anyone else agree?

Amazotheamazing

You think developers care much about city boundaries etc? If the sewage and other facilities are upgraded (a la Mungret) things will be build out there, if not, they won't.

mysterious

D-A-V-E wrote:

that talk about limerick growing into clare and bunratty is a crock of sh*t. realistically looking at limerick, limerick will grow out, yes, but not into clare.limerick knows better than to grow blindly into other boundaries, with all the current problims on the clare limerick boundary issue its just more recipy for a fight between the two counties over who ownes the houses so it definately will not happen. Limerick will definately grow, there no doubt about that, but all the growth areas will be concentrated south of the shannon river, castletroy, raheen/dooradoyle, town, nd maybe coonagh. anyone else agree?

Somewhat, though there is some suburbs that are practically on the border of Clare which are regareded as part of the limerick concrete, Old cratloe road as an example much further out than LIT, which is a shambles Clare actually wants it to sprawl and take the monopoly as an advantage for all the new Limerick residents. Places like Parteen for example has roads that are worse than the roads in Zambia(exaggerating I know but still) Feck those clare greedy green men.

Limerick is actually taking very little of Clare for starters, so it's all over hyped bull on Clare's behalf.I can understand some views of Clare people not wanting to be apart of Limerick but at the same time, if it were that the boundary ext. got the go ahead the quality of life and schools,taxes, roads will greatly improve, as Limerick city will boom even further as Limerick will be known as a city that is truely developing. Plus the fact will be bolded on Atlas as "over a 100,000 to 250,000" category:D Also I'm impressed that Cork work together with their county and city councils to expand the city into the future. Galway is also there at least anything better than Limerick. Take a hideous bus lane built through Raheen and stopped at ballykeefe, focking laughable, mind you it's still in the same bloody county. ffs. it's just petty. all these people under the city and county council should be SACKED for this ridiculous mess there are causing.

Anyway the majority of the people that we are talking about Live and breath air in limerick most of the day, so what ARE THEY REALLY SAYING THEN. question is to Clare and Limerick county council

Clare will benifet in the long run as the whole of the midwest would be a focus of foriengn investment since the city of Limerick will rightfully take third city status once again.

As for Cratloe is a dormitory town, and always will be. It's not part of the agglomeration of this city at least not this century( or maybe) but definatly not Bunratty. I can say it will be like Killny(spelling) in Dublin. It will be a haven for big mansions along the hills for the Wealthy limerick dwellers or Clare dwellors to locate too.


The biggest agglomeration at the moment is Castletroy and more noticeably singland, where i believe thousands of houses are going to be built. I Think the Childers road needs to widened, and stop fiddling with a few pot holes and a cycle lane ffs.......:mad: put 2lanes each way and bus from Parkway to Roxboro.

phonemonkey

A colleague of mine who's father is an architect told him that the only qualification you need to work in the city planning dept is leaving cert geography. Says it all really

D-A-V-E

really? lc geog? thats intresting coz i want to do town planning when im older! deacent!
anyway back to the limerick clare thing, if you go to limerick city council website and click on the boundary issue you will see debates etc. some of them are brillient, one of them just summed it up for me, it said under many lines of arguements...... if it wasent for limerick city, clare people would die. clare needs limerick for everything they have, they use our schools, shops, recreation facilities,busses,hospitals,roads, and if they are complaning about limerick moving theyre boundary the equivilent to a few field sizes, then they can fu*k of somewhere else, its the least they can allow us to do.... i thought it was brillient! what does everyone else think?

Limerick Dude

Amen to that Dave

Poxyshamrock

You want to do Town Planning when your older?:eek: how old are you now?

youthacademy

just came accross this thread, i've been involved in this debate for a few years now(the boundary extention), i'm not sure if your aware but limerick university have already extended their campus on to clare. its should be known as the univ. of limerick AND clare now!! transprot,facilities etc. would obviouly improve for these clare people yes, but they have been living in rural areas all their lives, that is what they are used to. mostly farmers, how are they going to survive if the city boundary is extended, also the local hurling clubs, i'm sure you can appreciatethey are dedicated to the county of clare, some intercounty hurlers come from this location.......dont make decisions for them, who are ye to comment....

D-A-V-E

im 18, just finished the leaving, ya i want to do town planning when i finish college (construction management,fingers crossed).
but to the above statement, just because the rural people will be concidered in the city, that dosent mean their lives are going to change like. the only diffrence it will make on their lives is that the area they come from will be changed from a local district to a city councel, with maybe the exception of a few houses going up. you have to realise that just because it will be a city area doesn't mean sudden construction, stuff like the EPA (environmental protection agency) and other schemes would prevent the steriotypical "urban sprawl" characterised by these "clare ruralers"! so to these clare people who live and educate in limerick anyway, just grow up.

ricey

The thing youthacademy said about the hurling clubs and
all that he has a god point there.

Amazotheamazing

youthacademy wrote:

just came accross this thread, i've been involved in this debate for a few years now(the boundary extention), i'm not sure if your aware but limerick university have already extended their campus on to clare. its should be known as the univ. of limerick AND clare now!! transprot,facilities etc. would obviouly improve for these clare people yes, but they have been living in rural areas all their lives, that is what they are used to. mostly farmers, how are they going to survive if the city boundary is extended, also the local hurling clubs, i'm sure you can appreciatethey are dedicated to the county of clare, some intercounty hurlers come from this location.......dont make decisions for them, who are ye to comment....

Nonsense. UCC use hospitals in Limerick to train medical students, but you don't see a move to call UCC UCC with some students in Limerick do you?
NUIG Galway has some students based in Ennis, but there's no plan to change NUIG into NUIG with a handful of classrooms in Clare is there?

Typical Clare insecurity, most places would welcome the local University expanding and bringing people into the area, Clare people are so paranoid about Limerick.

Amazotheamazing

ricey wrote:

The thing youthacademy said about the hurling clubs and
all that he has a god point there.

Very true, it is why Limerick City Co. asking about setting up a new urban authourity, Clare county wouldn't be changed so GAA clubs would be unaffected but rates etc would go to Limerick and Limerick would take resp for running the place. Anyone who drives out past Moyross or into Parteen can easily see how badly Clare Co. Co. currently maintain the place.

Personally I've no major issue with Clare anyway, its the suburbs like Raheen and Castletroy I want, Clare can keep itself and it's bad roads to itself.

D-A-V-E

to be honest, those clare gaa clubs probibly think they are in limerick anyway! there was a thing on the post a couple of weeks back and there was a surveytaken.
they were asked if they thought they lived in limerick city or not. it was undertaken in over 500 houses in Raheen/Dorradoyle, Caherdavin, Moyross, Clonmacken and Castletroy. the results showed


96% of people in raheen thought they were in the city
75% for castletroy
99% for caherdavin
98% for moyross
89% for clonmacken, so whey thought they were all in the city but they are actually in county limerick, paying a cheaper tax rate to all of us in the city boundary, and they wonder why the city population is droppong and suburb population is the fastest growing outside of dublin! hmm. what does everyone else think?

ricey

I live in Caherdavin and people here know they are in the county
but im sure there are some who say ya this is the city but 99%
i doubt that.

D-A-V-E

well maybe not that figure but it was a very high figure for all of them, anyway it was 500 houses each so it was only a small minority.

youthacademy

well the university comment i had was sarcastic just in case ye didn't pick up on that. the fact is limerick want to extand there city not there county, for various reasons, but it means building, however long down the line it is. as a member of the GAA from the the region who is involved at county level (along with many others from the region might i add) your telling me i'l have to uproot and play for limerick.....doesn't happen like that.
and to "amazingtheamazing" your complaining about that state of parteen, what about the state of moyross? spend money sorting out ye're own problems before ye try to sort ours......

sioda

This whole college naming thing is all GMIT's fault strange connaught people and there strange ideas

D-A-V-E

im not one to criticize but this goes to "youthacadamy". by any chance did you read that about sorting out moyross before other matters from an artical maybe half a year ago in the limerick post? the clare councellers were saying that how can limerick sort something out if they have problims in moyross? it all sounds too familier to me. but even if you didnt get that from the paper listen to this... two thirds of moyross is in county clare. hmm by the sounds of things it seems to me that the clare side of moyross is the neglected site of moyross, afterall, coming out of parteen on your right you see about 20 burned out houses, all that row and behind them is in co clare. so your information is a farce, untrue.

youthacademy

are you actually serious?? moyross is 100% limerick, i've no problems with the place, obviously you have certain pregidous towards it. but get your facts right before you shoot your mouth off kid.....

D-A-V-E

no neither do i. i know a few people from there and they are generally nice people but they say that theres a county clare sign around somewhere. a few people i know have been saying that too. its a known fact that some of it is in clare, sorry if i come accross as argumentitive about it but im shure you will find somewhere people saying that places are in fact in co clare. does anyone else agree?

youthacademy

well the resaon i'm so sure is because i live the area

D-A-V-E

ask around man

Amazotheamazing

D-A-V-E, are you sure Moyross isn't in County Limerick?

YouthAcademy, I find you're views bizarre to be frank, you'd allow a sports club, which may not even be affected by any changes, hold up the progress of a city of 85,000 people? At no point is there any suggestion Clare hurlers, footballers, rugby or soccer players would be forced to play for Limerick, it's just typical scaremongering. For example, Roscrea Rugby Club has always played in the Leinster divisions (as has the school), despite nominally being in Munster. There's ways around all these problems, surely, even if the extension did happen, the GAA could and would give a dispensation to club players (and the club itself) to remain within Clare for GAA purposes?

To be honest, Limerick gains very little from taking any land of Clare, a few hundred malcontents and more roads to maintain. It is county Limerick that Limerick city badly needs land off.

D-A-V-E

ok this is what i have always known, two thirds of moyross is in county limerick and an area of it in the city. but as far as i know it most definately is (maybe only a little bit) in county clare, but it definately has some parts in clare

Limerick Dude

D-A-V-E wrote:

ok this is what i have always known, two thirds of moyross is in county limerick and an area of it in the city. but as far as i know it most definately is (maybe only a little bit) in county clare, but it definately has some parts in clare

yeah i think some of it is in clare. remember hearing that somewhere. not sure though.