Would you be willing...

simu

... to accept a substantial government grant on condition that you and your family move to the moon and become founder members of "New Hibernia"? Remember that there might be considerable stress and dangers - both physical and mental - involved.

(This is a hypothetical question btw - don't PM me for details or anything).

qz

No.

grimloch

Nah, I doubt I'd much like the moon tbh. It'd be nice for a bit but there's not a whole lot to do up there what with the lack of 'proper' gravity and so forth.

Would this be a permanent fixture or merely a long holiday? If a holiday then yes.

jellie

what use would this "substantial grant" be on the moon?

angeldelight

Nope, I'm happier with my life at the moment than I have been for years so I'll stay here thanks all the same

nesf

Is there net access, alcohol and complimentary moon rock?

NotMe

Yeah I'd go... sure why not.

Mimikyu

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simu

Some questions answered:

Would this be a permanent fixture or merely a long holiday? If a holiday then yes.

Yes - the moon would now be your permanent home. You could take holidays on earth from time to time but it would be expensive so only possible every 2-5 years depending on your salary.

what use would this "substantial grant" be on the moon?

To pay for your lodgings, food etc there. You could also order consumer goods from earth.

Is there net access, alcohol and complimentary moon rock

Net access and alcohol - yes. Moon rock - well, if you go out for a moonwalk and collect some, why not.

Anything to do for this time?

There would be gyms, cinemas, the usual leisure activities you'd find in a reasonable earth city apart from those that could not, due to their nature, be carried out on the surface of the moon.

Guy:Incognito

do they take Euros on the moon? Otherwise a grant isnt much good to you.


oops just saw you answered that above.

lodgings would be free no? youd be the first person there.

Rb

Nope, definately wouldnt(unless it was for a fixed period of maybe a year and the grant was very very substantial)

simu

Stekelly wrote:

do they take Euros on the moon? Otherwise a grant isnt much good to you.

Yes - it would be part of the EU like French overseas territories.

Scraggs

what would it involve? reproducing?
how substantial is this grant?
i'd probably be interested depending on T&C's

Guy:Incognito

simu wrote:

Yes - it would be part of the EU like French overseas territories.

No local tesco tho. Shipping costs on goods from earth might be a bit restrictive.

qz

Nah I don't think I'd go. I'd only want to buy cars if I got the money from the government, and shipping them out to the moon might be a problem.

Guy:Incognito

Scraggs wrote:

what would it involve? reproducing?

I would imagine stuff thats cant be done here. We seem to manage to reproduce just fine down here

simu

Scraggs wrote:

what would it involve? reproducing?

Just eing a normal member of a community. Reproduction optional.

how substantial is this grant?
i'd probably be interested depending on T&C's

Varies depending on how skilled you are and how much in demand your skills are. But you would be earning at least double what you'd earn on Earth.

Shipping costs on goods from earth might be a bit restrictive.

Special arrangements would be made to keep cost affordable. No instant delivery, though. You might have to wait for a good few weeks.

bounty_hunter

Would the grant be in moon currency?

Scraggs

ok i'm satisfied sign me up....
i'd make a mint my skills are very much in demand :cool:

o one more q...can we come back to earth occasionally for a visit or hols like?

Flukey

I'll stay where I am, thanks.

Mimikyu

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Scraggs

thats not too bad.
this all sounds good to me whats the catch?

Son_of_Belial

Uh... Let me think... 123ºC during the day, -233ºC at night, 1/6th the gravity of the earth meaning bone density and muscle mass reduces drastically, plus that unneeded muscle turns to fat. Of course you could counter that by carrying the equivalent of five times your body mass aroiund with you but who wants that? There's the threat of meteorite bombardment all the time due to the lack of any kind of atmosphere, not to mention the danger of exposure to radiation, any trips home to earth won't be much fun because you'll be one sixth your former strength and will be tired and lethargic all the time... It'd better be a pretty "substantial" grant, with at least seven zeros in the sum (all tax-free of course), plus I'd want exclusive mining rights, a free trip earth-side at least once a month for a duration no shorter than one week (the money's no good to you on the moon as Sar84 rightly points out), a 5% of grant annual hazard gratuity(also tax-free) in European Union Treasury Bonds, free medical care, and a 50 foot yacht berthed in Dun Laoghaire harbour paid for, crewed and maintained by the State against my monthly visits home then I'd think about going. Other than that, not on your life.

Scraggs

ok maybe not such a great idea when ya put it like that....

simu

Son_of_Belial wrote:

Uh... Let me think... 123ºC during the day, -233ºC at night,

You'll have a constant temperature of 20 degrees celcius in the colony.

1/6th the gravity of the earth meaning bone density and muscle mass reduces drastically, plus that unneeded muscle turns to fat. Of course you could counter that by carrying the equivalent of five times your body mass aroiund with you but who wants that?

People will do exercise to keep bone density up and take trips to satellites with fake gravity for gravity baths from time to time.

There's the threat of meteorite bombardment all the time due to the lack of any kind of atmosphere,

Lasers and advanced tracking systems for protection plus most of the compound will be underground.

not to mention the danger of exposure to radiation,

Well, the materials the compound is made from will screen these.

any trips home to earth won't be much fun because you'll be one sixth your former strength and will be tired and lethargic all the time...

Well, if it works for Homer Simpson...

It'd better be a pretty "substantial" grant, with at least seven zeros in the sum (all tax-free of course), plus I'd want exclusive mining rights, a free trip earth-side at least once a month for a duration no shorter than one week (the money's no good to you on the moon as Sar84 rightly points out), a 5% of grant annual hazard gratuity(also tax-free) in European Union Treasury Bonds, free medical care, and a 50 foot yacht berthed in Dun Laoghaire harbour paid for, crewed and maintained by the State against my monthly visits home then I'd think about going. Other than that, not on your life.

Pah - you're too fussy to make it on Luna!

(btw this thread supposes technology somewhat ahead of what is available atm).

RobertFoster

Have you not seen any sci-fi movie which involves off Earth colonies, Son_of_Belial? There would be "domes" set up (generally see-through) which would maintain human-friendly conditions such as gravity, heating etc. You would also be able to grow things like we can back on earth, and live normal, earth-like lives with no side effects.

Scraggs

ok with all these arrangments i'm back on board...
when do we leave

andrew163

I wouldn't. Imagine the pings to the nearest CS servers. :eek:

DonkeyStyle \o/

No beer and no TV make Homer something something...

impr0v

I would consider it, depending on whether property rights were included and the positions available in administering 'New Hibernia'.

In other words I want access to power and wealth in my new life.

ziggy

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Gazza22

Nah, i don't like that much isolation

Think i'll stay here

Dizzyblabla

hummm.... it's not an easy one, will there be cute men?
I think I'd love it though, as long as there were solariums or something, living underground, I'd suffer from SAD something awful...

Pigman II

Hmmm, get paid money to leave this country ..... I dunno. Will there be any black africans there?

Santa Claus

Hmm, thr north pole is getting a bit cold these days and I'm a bit sick of all the tourists trying to find my workshop.
Would there be a native race of moon creatures that I could train up to replace my elves ??

simu

I would consider it, depending on whether property rights were included and the positions available in administering 'New Hibernia'.

Yes - you will be able to own some property and some people will be working as administrators.

hummm.... it's not an easy one, will there be cute men?
I think I'd love it though, as long as there were solariums or something, living underground, I'd suffer from SAD something awful...

Well, there should be a good number of eligible young men there and some are bound to be cute. Yes, there will be solariums and so on - people need some comforts in life!

Will there be any black africans there?

Well, it will be an Irish, EU-backed project open to EU citizens so there probably will be some black Africans with EU nationality there.

Would there be a native race of moon creatures that I could train up to replace my elves ??

I'm afraid not, Santa dear. But make sure you don't forget the moon kids on Christmas Eve!

Pigman II

simu wrote:

Well, it will be an Irish, EU-backed project open to EU citizens so there probably will be some black Africans with EU nationality there.

Oh go on then! Just as long as you can get them to promise to keep their hands of my wimmen whilst I'm piloting the rocket or taking a dump in zero gravity.

pickarooney

I think the question everyone wants answered is "will there be scangers".

I'm out - if I wanted to live somewhere flat, boring with no atmosphere and a strong likelihood of getting stoned I'd move to Holland.

Sleepy

Nyeh, count me in, the ark concept has always fascinated me!

simu

pickarooney wrote:

I think the question everyone wants answered is "will there be scangers".

Well, probably not as everyone will have to have usefull skills and be willing to work reasonably hard.

Zapho

i'm gonna take my grant (couldn't be more than 2 grand if its the Irish gov) and head over to the Sea of Tranquility to pick up some power converters!

ambro25

I *might* be interested... but in addition to Son_of_Belial quite reasonable demands (minus the yacht, that's just wasteful and so nouveau riche), I'll also want (non-negotiable):

(i) short-term, something to drive around for fun, with motricity and power plant tuned to account for the gravity/no atmosphere environment, a bit better than the 'ole Rover.

(ii) longer-term, transmissible exclusive mining and property rights for an area of my choosing and of no less than a thousand square kms, in which I may domicile anyone and in respect of which I may legislate and issue passports at will

(iv) I know you've mentioned artificial grav', but I'm not going if there isn't an 'anti-grav' facility where one can sh*g in zero-G

Naturally, I ask much as I have such a breadth of skills to offer

Son_of_Belial

pickarooney wrote:

if I wanted to live somewhere flat, boring with no atmosphere and a strong likelihood of getting stoned I'd move to Holland.

LMAO!! Fvcking genius, dude! Btw Ambro, the yacht is non-negotiable. I even have the plans below:

Sleepy

ambro25 wrote:

(iv) I know you've mentioned artificial grav', but I'm not going if there isn't an 'anti-grav' facility where one can sh*g in zero-G

You might be glad of the artificial gravity... they've done research on this in NASA and apparently the only position possible in zero-G is the 69

Franky Boy

I'm pretty sure i'm good where I am.

murphaph

simu wrote:

Yes - it would be part of the EU like French overseas territories.

So there'd be a pic of the moon inset on the Euro notes , the same as French Guyana and those islands (they're on there-take a look at the bottom LH corner of the map of europe on any euro banknote!) By the way-Malta will never be shown on new prints of the Euro (current series) cos it's too small, bless 'em

Da Bounca

How large a community?

ambro25

Sleepy wrote:

You might be glad of the artificial gravity... they've done research on this in NASA and apparently the only position possible in zero-G is the 69

Where there's a will...

simu

Ambro25, you could try negotiating for all that stuff but there are others who would be willing to make the move for less, i'd imagine.

murphaph wrote:

So there'd be a pic of the moon inset on the Euro notes , the same as French Guyana and those islands

Oh yeah!

Da Bounca wrote:

How large a community?

2,000 to start off with.

CrazySka

id agree, then run off with the grant money, build a fortress on the aran islands and declare myself an independant nation.

Son_of_Belial

john_dub wrote:

id agree, then run off with the grant money, build a fortress on the aran islands and declare myself an independant nation.

Lol, then I'd happily come over with my RDF Inf Platoon and kick seven shades of shít out of you. Amphibious invasion, helicopter insertion, we'd mess you up good. What good is your fortress without air superiority or even decent anti-air defences? Ever seen the business end of a GPMG MAG or an 81mm mortar? I'ma kill you boy!