New World Order

trishw78

I've been looking at alot of these threads & one thing that I keep thinking off is The Masons/NWO... I've seen stuff on tv about the Skulls I've even seen the movies (both National Treasure & Skulls) and found them a bit unbelieveable... But when I read about Denver airport and saw the symbol of the masons I belive that this organisation is still as strong as ever...

I was wondering had anyone else had any opinions or info on either of these or organisations

OFDM

If I'm not mistaken there's a lot of masonry imagery in the CIA headquarters in Virginia.

DadaKopf

Search the politics or humanities forum. There was a big debate about it. DeVore's mates with someone in 'em. (Maybe.)

iregk

The NWO and illuminati base a lot of things on symbolism. Particularly the all seeing eye. Look a $1 note. The pyramie with the all seeing eye above it. This is a huge illuminati symble. Also the wording (latin) around it. Novus Orum Seclorum (may not be correct spelling). New World Order.

There are a lot of secret societies but pretty much they all stretch back to the illuminati. The Knights of Malta, Jesuit Order, Free Masons, Order of the Skull and Bones etc... The illuminati use a tier system. Each society is involved in it however different ranks and levels within the societies are not allowed to know nor ask what goes on in other ranks.

Walt Disney was a 32nd or 33rd not sure which degree Free Mason and as common knowledge is told he was the face of what was a plan and an object to keep people entertained and distract them from what was reallying going on. This was the reason Disney land was set up. There are lots more but basically we are moving into the Orwell Society. One world facist state.

bus77

iregk wrote:

Also the wording (latin) around it. Novus Orum Seclorum (may not be correct spelling). New World Order.

I've looked it up and apparently the correct translation is "New Order of the Ages".

dlofnep

I suggest you look for any of Alex Jone's work (the bohemian grove and police state documentaries). It will shed some light on the situation..

iregk

bus77 wrote:

I've looked it up and apparently the correct translation is "New Order of the Ages".

Yes it does mean new order of the ages when gramatically translated. Word for word its new world order. However there have been stories about for years that they screwed up and put the incorrect latin on the dollar. When someone pointed out that it did mean new order of the ages they refused to change it.

So while technically correct in what it means. The meaning that was ment shall we say is new world order.

bus77

dlofnep wrote:

I suggest you look for any of Alex Jone's work (the bohemian grove and police state documentaries). It will shed some light on the situation..

What situation?

Camalot

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Royalists

Jesus

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Cardinals

Senetors

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Generals

Mensheviks---Bolsheviks

Founding fathers

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This 'new situation' is a very old one....

billy the squid

Are you sure you are not mixing up the freemasons with the Illuminati? although there is a theory that the freemasons is riddled with illuminati members. which would explain why symbols associated with the freemasons, are also associated with the illuminati.

Kernel

bus77 wrote:

What situation?

The situation of a secret world government/elite pulling strings everyday to establish a 'new world order' to more easily further their own agenda (theories on what this agenda is differ however - from Satanic to benevolent) and form a powerbase and control over the downtrodden proletariat that will last forever, and do away with the inconvenience of giving people a real democratic choice by replacing it with the illusion of freedom and security.

Undergod

iregk wrote:

Yes it does mean new order of the ages when gramatically translated. Word for word its new world order. However there have been stories about for years that they screwed up and put the incorrect latin on the dollar. When someone pointed out that it did mean new order of the ages they refused to change it.

So while technically correct in what it means. The meaning that was ment shall we say is new world order.

I'm pretty sure it's not.

I find the idea of 'a' new world order ridiculous. Any group with the power to take control at so many levels would always create internal factions, as people look to their own interests and help those who can help them out. In any case, if these organiations are as powerful as people like to think, I'd imagine the world is being controlled by different groups trying to be the NWO.

Mac daddy

bus77 wrote:

I've looked it up and apparently the correct translation is "New Order of the Ages".

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Novus Ordo Seclorum => "New Order of the Ages."
info on Novus Ordo Seclorum
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The U.S. State Department translation of "novus ordo seclorum" is:

"A new order of the ages" :rolleyes: yeah right.....

But i still thinks it means new world order

Undergod

Right, I just asked a Latin scholar.

'Seclorum' is getive case plural... as far as I understand, this means 'something of the somethings'

Nous Ordo does indeed mean 'new order' and 'seclorum' means secular or earthly, and 'seclora seclorum' (I think) is somewhat similar to 'forever and ever' ie as long as the earth.

So all of the above translations are roughly correct, and I don't think anyone said 'New Secular Order' which is a translation I've seen and is apparently also correct.

Goodshape

DadaKopf wrote:

Search the politics or humanities forum. There was a big debate about it. DeVore's mates with someone in 'em. (Maybe.)

I've had that bookmarked for about a year now. Still haven't gotten around to reading it all.

--> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=71299

Ry

I read the thread and enjoyed it thoroughly following DeV's story up to and after meeting with and going to the lodge itself and consorting with fellow masons and tbh it dispelled a lot of my wonderings and suspicion about the Masons but I will say one thing that stuck out and that's that there are apparently 35 levels of masonry and there is were no words or representations of views or anything from a highest of levels mason. It's at the higher levels that I'd wonder why are they higher level and what is different about the lower ones? And is it in fact THOSE levels that are the ones doing the deeds that earn them the reputation they have or infact perhaps seperate houses/lodges of the masons that as in the thread the good lodges don't even deal with or have any relations with BECAUSE of their evil nature?

I don't think all mason lodges are a bunch of crazy world tyrants but perhaps there are a lot of lodges around the globe or maybe just america where they're just solely out for the benefit of helping eachother in business industry or politics etc."Evil" lodges if you will.

Ry

Undergod

Ry wrote:

where they're just solely out for the benefit of helping eachother in
business industry or politics etc..

Why is that evil?

DeVore

I've spent a lot of time now with Masons and looking into it. Here's a couple of answers.

Masons have 3 levels. Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craftsman, Master Mason.
Those are the ONLY LEVELS in Blue Lodge Freemasonry (what most people would refer to as Freemasonry).

The confusion about 33 levels comes from the fact that there are various awards and gongs that can be dished out in related, similar orders (like the Knights Templar etc) who are often associated with Freemasonry (for good reason, it tends to be the same guys).

While I have enjoyed the meetings I've had with them, the Masons I've met generally would have trouble organising a p****up in a brewery. Running the world, they aint.

Its MORE then possible that there are "bad" lodges out there. Its a fact. Look up P2 in Italy. But also note that the FM organisation was very quick to dissassociate that lodge, those men and infact all of Italy from Freemasonry. I dont believe you can judge an organisation by the actions of a few members. I do believe you can judge them by the actions of a lot of them.

You might want to follow that link and read the first two paragraphs before going around libeling peoples good name because of some conspiracy theories.


I know I sound like I'm being defensive and I am, I'm defending them because I think they are ok. But I have evidence to base that judgement on, thats the key point.

DeV.

Ry

DeVore wrote:

I've spent a lot of time now with Masons and looking into it. Here's a couple of answers.

Masons have 3 levels. Entered Apprentice, Fellow Craftsman, Master Mason.
Those are the ONLY LEVELS in Blue Lodge Freemasonry (what most people would refer to as Freemasonry).

The confusion about 33 levels comes from the fact that there are various awards and gongs that can be dished out in related, similar orders (like the Knights Templar etc) who are often associated with Freemasonry (for good reason, it tends to be the same guys).

While I have enjoyed the meetings I've had with them, the Masons I've met generally would have trouble organising a p****up in a brewery. Running the world, they aint.

Its MORE then possible that there are "bad" lodges out there. Its a fact. Look up P2 in Italy. But also note that the FM organisation was very quick to dissassociate that lodge, those men and infact all of Italy from Freemasonry. I dont believe you can judge an organisation by the actions of a few members. I do believe you can judge them by the actions of a lot of them.

You might want to follow that link and read the first two paragraphs before going around libeling peoples good name because of some conspiracy theories.


I know I sound like I'm being defensive and I am, I'm defending them because I think they are ok. But I have evidence to base that judgement on, thats the key point.

DeV.

Don't get me wrong I was actually trying to say that they're not evildoers and are infact just a sort of old men's club that donate to charity and try to help out. I just wasn't clear on the 35 level thing and noticed a previous post had said his dad, who was a mason, had said there probably was stuff going on so I guess I just wondered about that possibility but I wouldn't have believed it really because the impression I got from reading through pages on the thread in humanities was "they're ok"

Ry

Kernel

Undergod wrote:

Why is that evil?

Nothing, in itself, but by carrying out those practices they imbue their organisation and members with a certain power and influence. Once this power and influence is attained, the problem lies in what way they use it.

The reason why people always throw the freemasons into the new world order conspiracy, is because the masons have had this power and influence, and it can be seen by looking at how many powerful and influential people were freemasons throughout history - particularly in regard to the United States. Of course, there are also the Skull & Bonesmen, Illuminati, Bohemia Grove and Bilderberg groups to take into consideration.

Lafortezza

Anyone read that Jon Ronsen (or was it Ron Jonson?) book about conspiracy theorists and NWO?
I think I remember a bit in it where he was in Portugal and he found a hotel where a large number of world leaders were meeting. The whole hotel was closed to general public and the funny thing is that there was absolutely zero media coverage. There wasn't a mention anywhere of a meeting between the world leaders (US pres, Uk PM, france PM etc) in any papers or news stories or anywhere.

But we all expect world leaders to meet up and have a chat every now and then don't we?

Ry

lafortezza wrote:

Anyone read that Jon Ronsen (or was it Ron Jonson?) book about conspiracy theorists and NWO?
I think I remember a bit in it where he was in Portugal and he found a hotel where a large number of world leaders were meeting. The whole hotel was closed to general public and the funny thing is that there was absolutely zero media coverage. There wasn't a mention anywhere of a meeting between the world leaders (US pres, Uk PM, france PM etc) in any papers or news stories or anywhere.

But we all expect world leaders to meet up and have a chat every now and then don't we?

Any Pictures or proof or anything of this? They may also have done this to keep public looneys from trying to get in the way by protest marching or causing trouble on the streets of Portugal or trying assassinations or any of it. There are a lot of reasons they'd make it private. Piece and Quiet being a good one.

Ry

Kernel

Ry wrote:

Any Pictures or proof or anything of this? They may also have done this to keep public looneys from trying to get in the way by protest marching or causing trouble on the streets of Portugal or trying assassinations or any of it. There are a lot of reasons they'd make it private. Piece and Quiet being a good one.

Ry

Plenty of proof, this isn't a theory, it's a fact. The group is called the Bilderberg Group, and is a collection of world leaders and powerful corporate CEOs who meet yearly in different locations around the world (usually with absolutely no press coverage, which is unheard of since there are so many powerful elite meeting). Ronson made a great documentary on it, and was followed by goons in cars. Eventually he made contact with the group, and even obtained a meeting agenda, detailing all kinds of topics to be discussed such as the middle east etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

Kernel

lafortezza wrote:

But we all expect world leaders to meet up and have a chat every now and then don't we?

The interesting thing about it is that it's not only world leaders who meet up, but also corporate CEOs and powerful businessmen.

I'm a big fan of Jon Ronson's work.

Fallschirmjager

DeVore...pops another conspiracy bubble..

this is the problem with a lot of conspiracy issues...a gentle application of a few facts...and boom it disappears...still i do love reading them....

and thats the best thing about secret organisations....well, they are secret, except everyone knows about them...go figure...

to be honest, if i was a leader of a secret world order (maybe i am? LOL) i think i would have the nutjob that put our secret on a ONE DOLLAR BILL buried somewhere....


but then again i could be just saying this to 'confuse' everyone...cue X Files music...stick in Mulders sister....

Kernel

Fallschirmjager wrote:

DeVore...pops another conspiracy bubble..

this is the problem with a lot of conspiracy issues...a gentle application of a few facts...and boom it disappears...still i do love reading them....

Eh, pardon my ignorance, but what conspiracy 'bubble' would you be talking about? Nothing has been 'popped' at all, Devore is speaking as a lower grade initiate in the freemasons, and has spoken of his experiences therein, I don't want to debate on the intentions of Freemasonry, suffice to say that the order has historically been secret and closed, and involved widely in many political situations (including the presidency of the United States, and indeed the founding of the United States).

It also doesn't mean there is no new world order agenda in the world, or that there are secret organisations behind it. I've already mentioned the Bilderberg group and Bohemia Grove, as well as the Skull and Bones group, all of which are factual but secret organisations which you or I cannot just join, and consist of very powerful people.

Undergod

DeVore wrote:

...the FM organisation was very quick to dissassociate that lodge, those men and infact all of Italy from Freemasonry.

Seems a bit extreme.

scorptech

Hi,

This is my first post, but I felt that I had to comment.

I have travelled around the world, and have been interested and studied this subject matter for the last five years and have tons of information relating to the New World Order and the Luminati. I have also met a large number of people from all religions and cultures who are aware of the "bigger Picture".

I cannot provide five years of material on this website, however, I approach this subject from a psychological point of view (I have trained and taught in psychology). My website is http://oym.scorpiontechnology.co.uk if anyone is interested in understanding how this can and is possible.

I have also been invited to be a mason and visited a masonic lodge. Most of the masons do not know what is going on and are generally good people who do good work for charity, however, there is a bigger picture.

For the narrow minded skeptics, I hope the penny drops soon. For the people who are beginning to realise that something is not right, I recommend you visit my website. This is a giant jigsaw which, after five years, I still only know a small part of.

I have done a couple of workshops for small groups of people and have seen the penny drop on numerous occasions when it is explained in layman's terms using a psychological approach. If you approach this subject like a bull in a china shop, people will be skeptic.

I am not trying to convert or convince anyone that this is happening. You can make your own judgement. I always say to people that if I, and many others around the world are wrong, than I will be the first up to the bar to get a round of drinks in and you can have a good laugh at my expense.

But what if I am right................

Scorptech

Ry

The Bang of Google Searcher off this :rolleyes:

One Generic search for "Freemasons" and from the results
Take one Irish based bulletin board website
Register account
Plug your website and your 100% PROOF that aliens exist and the world is in fact being controlled by humanoid reptiles in the guise of humans.
Successful forum troll complete.

Catchy Slogan. A slogan that might just MIGHT be put down to a form of manipulation of the mind even? YEH what if he IS right omg I better listen.

"But what if I am right................"
"But what if we're right................"


:rolleyes:

Ry

scorptech

I love these narrow minded sceptics who tar everyone with the same brush and assume that everyone is selfish and materialistic.

Has the though ever occurred to you that maybe there are people out there who just might know more about the subject than you, but hey, I forgot, from a psychological point of view, some people still have to be opinionated even if they no nothing about the subject. It's better to slang someone off then to admit that they no nothing about the subject (you might look stupid if you admitted that you knew nothing). General defence mechanism used by narrow minded sceptics who can't see 10 feet in front of them.

If advertising my site helps people to understand the subject matter and make them more aware of what is going on, then the job is done.

You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. You, my friend, are part of the problem.....

Gurgle

scorptech wrote:

some people still have to be opinionated even if they no nothing about the subject

Hey, welcome to boards!

.. and Ireland....

... earth for that matter!

Undergod

scorptech wrote:

I love these narrow minded sceptics who tar everyone with the same brush and assume that everyone is selfish and materialistic.

Well you are selling t-shirts on your site.

I haven't had the time to check out your whole site yet, but it seems pretty good. The fact you have links to David Icke's website put me off somewhat. But there is definitely something to using a psychological approach to conspiracy theories.

Jury's out.

scorptech

Yes, I am selling T-shirts. This is only because I have not found a website that sells them.

History has proven that any secret society i.e. the Illuminati, can not survive if they are brought to the attention of the general public, and as I have worked in the advertising business, I know advertising works (see my website to understanding overt and covert manipulation).

The t-shirts are not about making money (I actually break even on the cost), the t-shirts are for people to wear and to make people aware.

David Icke is one of the people that has brought this subject to the general public along with Alex Jones, Michael Moore, Jim Marr etc. I do not rely on one person for my information. David Icke is just one of many who I have studied. This is a hugh jigsaw that all these people contribute to. I just keep adding the pieces one at a time. My approach is psychological which is not the approach that David Icke uses.

Unfortunately conspiracy theories do not hurt or kill anyone, so to call it a conspiracy theory is a bit naïve, but it's where most people start. Disbelief being their first reaction.

billy the squid

right lets all take a chill pill here

a few points

1)

scorptech wrote:

I cannot provide five years of material on this website,

There is nothing stopping you, if you think the members of the forums will find your experiences interesting then you are free to post all about them here.

2) From his original post scorptech did NOT pimp his t-shirts. and having looked at the site, the link for buying the t-shirts is in a place where you would find links for merchandise for any website including boards.ie. Hosting and running websites costs money, and if this is how he chooses to raise money to keep his site on the web then that is his own business. as long as he doesnt try to sell anything on this forum.

It is no different than someone posting a link to their blog on the Blogs forum as far as I can see.

3) This is the only forum where scorptech has posted therefore he can not be accused of advertising.

4) He has replied to your posts which shows that he is interested in your responses, unlike normal spammers.

Now I will ask other members not to be jumping down peoples throats they minute they see a new member of the forum.

there is a "report bad post" button on each post, i would prefer if people used this rather than get into a flame war.

let that be the end of this little tiff, now get back on topic or i will ban every offending poster in this thread.

Ry wrote:

he Bang of Google Searcher off this

One Generic search for "Freemasons" and from the results
Take one Irish based bulletin board website
Register account

Replace "freemasons" with any other term and you will find that this is how some of boards.ie's longest running members found the site, try to remember that.

Ry

scorptech wrote:

I love these narrow minded sceptics who tar everyone with the same brush and assume that everyone is selfish and materialistic.

You said it yourself it's human instinct and has been since a long time ago that it is underlying in all our actions so perhaps putting that t-shirt link was subconciously you wanting to make money? Just a thought,

but what if I'm right...?

scorptech wrote:

Has the thought ever occurred to you that maybe there are people out there who just might know more about the subject than you,

I don't remember saying otherwise. I'm more than aware of and I've never have claimed to be an authority on the subject. It's clear that you've done a lot more research into it than myself, I never questioned that.

scorptech wrote:

but hey, I forgot, from a psychological point of view, some people still have to be opinionated even if they no nothing about the subject.

I don't recall saying I did have a greater knowledge of the subject?

scorptech wrote:

It's better to slag someone off then to admit that they no nothing about the subject (you might look stupid if you admitted that you knew nothing).

Again WHERE did I state I was an authority on it in the first place? I'm not pretending to know more than you about it, I'm merely pointing out your zealousy of it and therefore PERHAPS fanatically warped view of it bringing freemasonry down by insinuating their actual involvement in secret world orders.
Simply throwing a website link about such organisations into a thread while stating

scorptech wrote:

"Most of the masons do not know what is going on"

is ignorantly pious and flawed if it is intended to be a point worth paying attention to and taking seriously.

I ask you this: the basis that statement is made on is what? Have you an inside track to the apparent "evildoers" within the masons that you so clearly know there are? I think not.

So no I do not claim to be an authority on the subject but I do expect one who does to at least be able to back it up with more than just a flail of his tongue leaving us with nothing more than an obtuse view of things.

scorptech wrote:

General defence mechanism used by narrow minded sceptics who can't see 10 feet in front of them.

Says the zealot with a single statement and a website HE wrote to back it up.

I'm open to your views but the thing is you've failed to explain how you came to all this knowledge and it's somewhat necessary if you're to be taken seriously as one who DOES know about the subject. I'm not trying to shoo you off boards. The more the merrier in my eyes but I've just seen one too many people tornado themselves into a topic with no regard for facts or actual knowledge. If I know nothing concrete I'll only post an opinion based on what I've learnt or have observed (if I even post at all) but I won't state THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. That approach bothers me and especially from a newcomer with so little in the way of evidence.

scorptech wrote:

If advertising my site helps people to understand the subject matter and make them more aware of what is going on, then the job is done.

Based on nothing more than your own opinions from what I read. There isn't enough on where you yourself got this information.

scorptech wrote:

You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. You, my friend, are part of the problem.....

I'm part of the problem for questioning what you base your views on? I'm part of the problem for keeping an open mind and not just listening to one persons view on it but questioning their reasons and policies first? I'm part of the problem for doing exactly what you say should be done in looking outside the bubble by not just taking what you say for granted as truth?

I've nothing against you and to be honest I welcome you to the boards. My previous post was merely a point on being as useful as your post was. Bottom line is, it wasn't. If you claim to be knowledgable then expect to be questioned. That's all I'll say.

This is NOT and nor do I want to start a flame either it's just clarification of my previous post.

On with the show.

Ry

Kintarō Hattori

Wow

scorptech

I appreciate your point of view and, I also, initially questioned the subject matter. As an IT professional, I am trained to think logically. As I said, the first reaction is disbelief, so my thought process was to research the subject to see if it was complete nonsense.

What I did find out by talking to a wide range of people (from all walks of life and nationalities), reading numerous books, video footage, documentaries and cross referencing information, that this was possible. I have no interest in getting on my soap box and trying to convince people otherwise. I’m also happy to admit that I only know a small part of this global jigsaw, hence why I setup the site and intend to add to it as more and more information becomes available. I do not, and never have, claimed to be an authority on the subject, however, I have been interested in it for the last five years, so that has to stand for something.

People throughout history have always been ridiculed for thinking outside the box, so I am more than happy for people to question my beliefs. If you feel that a “New World Order” is not possible, then do what I did, research it yourself.

A few hundred years ago they said that the world was flat. We all know now that the world has always been round. It was only till science proved that the world was round that it changed our thinking. So, just because people disbelieve, does not mean that it does not exist.

Undergod

billy the squid wrote:

2) From his original post scorptech did NOT pimp his t-shirts.

I never said that, I was using it as a criticism of his 'materialiastic comment'. But I apologise if that's how it came across. And I had quite a high opinion of his website, and he justified the parts that I referred to. No flaming needed, wanted, implied or involved.

Kernel

Scorptech, I read the material on your website yesterday in work, and I happen to agree with most of your views, I have also long sensed something was unfair with the world, and spent much time trying to research and figure out the problem.

To people who disbelieve the notion of a New World Order seeking to control the masses; you must understand that capitalism itself is a system of control over the masses, a system which when threatened by Socialism or Communism, actively went to war (economically, politically and literally) for the latter half of the 20th century to protect their own interests and powerbase. If you accept that you are already a cog in the machine of capitalist control, then you will understand that the people who have always benefitted from the pyramid scheme of capitalism, are (mostly) the people at the top of the pyramid, who have been there for generations in many cases.

These people have devised the perfect system for maintaining their power and control over others, and it is called capitalism. This is not NWO theory or fiction, but economic truth. You are a worker (or will be) in a capitalist machine which is designed (through banking, interest rates, inflation etc.) to keep you as a worker, selling your labour to the capitalist who has the means of production (eg. factory, corporation etc.). In return for your labour, if you are lucky, you get some tokens (money) to feed your consumerist appetite to buy useless junk you don't really need from other corporations, and provide the basics of housing, food and clothing (transport is also a factor, but transport is only really a means of getting the workers to the factories).

The NWO is simply a theory of a collection of these (top of pyramid - all seeing eye?) rich and powerful capitalists, who further their own agenda of power and control, because all throughout human history, power is the only thing that many have hungered for, and the illusion of someday obtaining enough wealth for you to have some freedom (freedom being a power in itself) before you die, is the only thing that forces you into work like a bullwhip to a slave, or a carrot to a donkey.

scorptech

I totally agree with your sentiments, but where do you draw the line between capitalism and fascism??

This goes way beyond capitalism. I personally agree with capitalism, but when people around the world have their lives manipulated, controlled and are killed so the few can profit, this is too much. Whistle blowers conveniently silenced or killed, people losing their livelihoods, do you call this capitalism? The list goes on and on, and this does not account for a large number of facts that we have not touch on.

This is what you call a fascist police state and things are getting worse.

Using a mixture of psychological techniques mastered over the last 100 years, we are being manipulated without us even knowing it.

My advice is simple, stay positive and get out of debt. Try and be self sufficient as much as possible, and if you have a few spare quid, buy a bundle of solid silver coins, your going to need them.

From a finanical point of view, I recommend one of the many documentaries I have "Money Masters". Type this into Google and you will find the website.

parsi

iregk wrote:

Walt Disney was a 32nd or 33rd not sure which degree Free Mason and as common knowledge is told he was the face of what was a plan and an object to keep people entertained and distract them from what was reallying going on. This was the reason Disney land was set up.

Well with all due respects he could have made the place a darn site cheaper if the plan was to distract the masses....

Undergod

parsi wrote:

Well with all due respects he could have made the place a darn site cheaper if the plan was to distract the masses....

Now this guy is making sense!

where do you draw the line between capitalism and fascism?

Anarcho-capitalism, the only pure form of capitalism that can exist.

scorptech

Anarcho-capitalism is a possibility and seems to a better alternative to pure capitalism.

Wouldn't it be a better world if success was based on the amount you gave to others rather than what you possessed.......

Mind you, materialism will be irrelevant if the predictions for 2012 are anything to go by.

Beer is Life

Whats this 2012 thing you are talking about? Where did you get this date? Why will paper money become worthless?

Laguna

Now I'm an IT Professional myself and also like to think of myself as a logical thinker AND having an open mind.

It's not really news when someone declares an existence of an NWO, I mean come on, anyone with half a brain can ascertain that there is a showbusiness Government (i.e. front end) who talk **** to the masses, appear to to x y z etc., there is also a background Government who control the world (i.e. the NSA, the real CIA etc.). What my point is, whilst I think the whole situation is sickening, the way we're all living a life of work to bed, living to pay off debts, what can we REALLY do about it?

People have been bringing the Illuminati to the public light for years, telling us about what they do, who they are etc. All these people end up defamed as either crazy/mental and are disregarded by the general public as the sad fact is, the majority of people are sheep like and want to be told what to do, what to wear, what to eat....

I think capitalism is a load of hypocritical toss. I think how countries like the U.K. and the U.S. call themselves free societies when laws are in place (because theoretically, in a free society you could do ANYTHING you like) is a joke. I see the Western world's concept of society as shallow and lacking, why do I want the SUV?, do I really need a 5 bedroom house?, must I wear an Armani suit to be taken seriously?.



It's childish to think we can change this centuries old caste system, this goes beyond the Illuminati in the 17th century, this goes back to Egypt and prehistoric civilization with the idea of Kings/Pharoh's (i.e. someone is literally better than you from birth, tough ****/deal with it, now go work in his field). It's human nature for one/groups of individuals to dominate a group (in our case, due to 6billion humans, a planet).

I'd really like to be able to change things, but I'm a realist, these people haven't kept their power for so long for no reason...

scorptech

On my website, I have a few steps on how to make the changes http://oym.scorpiontechnology.co.uk. The whole idea with our materialist world is to make people selfish, greedy, angry etc, “I want it now” society.

We CAN make a change and I have already started by changing myself. The Tibetan culture believe in the following karma i.e. what goes around comes around, what you give out you receive, like attracts like, you live by the sword you die by the sword etc. Anyway I’m sure you get my point.

So, I’ve stopped wanting all the materialist goods i.e. bigger house, new computer, new car, expensive holiday etc. I have also managed to clear all my debt’s, which, in itself, has taken a burden off my shoulders. So, as far as I am concerned, it's better to give than receive. I feel happier and more positive, this in itself, makes me feel better.

At the end of the day, you do what you want to do. As for freedom, well, do sheep in a field surrounded by bushes have freedom?? No, but it can be changed. Unfortunately we have this thing called “society” which keeps us in line i.e. friends, family etc. So, to do something outside the norm is classed as weird. Decide for yourself, because nobody is going to decide for you.

As for the 2012 date, go to Google and type “photon belt”. This celestial change has also been predicted by the Aztec’s (amongst other cultures).

Kernel

First comes awareness, then comes anger, then comes revolution. Dont throw in the towel yet Laguna, apathy is the tool of the controlling few. The more people that are aware of something, the more difficult it will be for the leaders to enforce their agenda. It can even be seen in Ireland - when people become aware of Government rip-offs and issues.

But, I agree, we have an uphill struggle, because we have surrendered many of our powers and freedoms already.

billy the squid

scorptech, can you link to the exact page on your site that you are referring to rather than the front page. linking to the front page over and over is of little use to people, and does begin to look like pimping.

thanks.

scorptech

Thanks, but the last thing I want to do is pimp my site. It’s just better for people to get a complete overview of the subject rather than trying to cover it in sound bites. So, sorry if it seems that I am pimping my site.

I have to agree with Kernel, secret societies throughout history, that have been exposed, have not lasted. So, the more people that are aware, the more we can do something about it.

For example, what do you think would happen if 5 million people (I’m in the UK remember) went to their bank and paid off all their credit cards and loans and then cut up their credit cards. The banks would lose a fortune!! So, this should be the first step for everyone. As I was told a long time ago, “Out of debt, out of trouble”.

I was in Dublin last week and found out about a guy called Eddie Hobbs (I never heard of him before). The look on peoples faces when Eddie told them what was happening. People knew about it, but when it is explained to them in layman’s terms, the penny drops and realisation kicks in.

By the way, I don't know whether the Irish people were made aware of this but the Irish governement have just signed a treaty with America allowing the CIA, FBI etc access to your home. They can arrest you, interrogate you (even if what you do is legal in Ireland) and basically do anything they want.

If you want to check this out, goto Google and search for the article that the Irish Examiner Newspaper reported on. Type "CIA+Ireland".

fatherdougalmag

Just a note on the Bilderberg Group. I downloaded a video clip of shots taken from one of the meetings and our own Dermot Gleeson (AIB) is one of the attendees! Chin-wagging with Peter Sutherland.

billy the squid

fatherdougalmag wrote:

Just a note on the Bilderberg Group. I downloaded a video clip of shots taken from one of the meetings and our own Dermot Gleeson (AIB) is one of the attendees! Chin-wagging with Peter Sutherland.

did he identify himself on this video, how can you be sure it is him?

Undergod

fatherdougalmag wrote:

Just a note on the Bilderberg Group. I downloaded a video clip of shots taken from one of the meetings and our own Dermot Gleeson (AIB) is one of the attendees! Chin-wagging with Peter Sutherland.

I have a list of attendees somewhere, I'll post themtomorrow if I find it, but there's three Irish representatives, including Dermot Gleeson if memory serves.