MS to charge even more for X360 in Ireland

LookingFor

€309.99 and €409.99 for the two different models, respectively (vs €299 and €399 elsewhere in Europe). There's a nasty rumour doing the rounds that games will be up to €65 too.

Lovely, eh? I believe this may make us the most expensive country in the world for it, unless MS screw over Japan extra hard.

Bluehair

Are we really surprised?

Frankly I thought they'd put it up more (and I wouldn't be surprised if quanatities are limited and Game and co add on a premium anyway).

I'll be bringing mine over from the states.

Ciaran500

I doubt MS would decide to have it more expensive over here. Shops on the other hand might decide to slap an extra €10 on it.

LookingFor

It's the official MS RRP:

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single5240

I hope to good God retailers don't try and pump things up even more, though I expect bundles.

I'm more concerned about peripheral pricing to be honest.

KdjaCL

EA been touting €70 upwards to develop games for it at a profit.So Epic doing the unreal 3 and 4 engine , Ea own Criterion and Id selling D3 engine to anyone. The prices touted will really justify hard working game design :rolleyes:

It has a hard drive....hmmmmm


kdjac

segadreamcast

Yep, twas in the Irish Times this morning as well - MS decided to write to them for featuring the wrong (lower) price in a recent article...

Well done MS - way to keep the Irish in your pocket.

I was already unlikely to buy one, but the extra €10 has annoyed me enough to make me certain that I won't.

LookingFor

KdjaC wrote:

It has a hard drive....hmmmmm

For €410, yeah (or €100 seperately), but since it's not standard, it's really just a glorified memory card now - games can't depend on it like they could with the Xbox hard disk. The only reason I'd consider it initially is because the mem cards are so expensive - €40 for 64MB! - they make it look like good value (and it's pretty damn hard to make a €100 20GB hard drive look like good value, but they managed it!).

I was ready to put down €300 or even €350 for the 360 with a standard hard disk, but I think I might save my pennies toward a better TV for now.

flogen

€65? Back to the old old pricing when the Ps2 was first out!
Well, if I don't import my machine I'll certainly be going online for my games.

FranchisePlayer

Who do microsoft think they are charging 409.99 for a games console all it does is play games. I am going to have stick with my ds now and maybe get a revolution.

MrPinK

FranchisePlayer wrote:

all it does is play games

It does a bit more than that

evad_lhorg

thats a bit odd caus in GAME we started taking 20 euro preorders today and we have prices sayin the original price.

grimloch

Are they taking the urine?

Well that removes one console from my ever increasing "to buy" list.

Gummy Panda

could it be that tax on electrical goods now that the makers are passing onto the consumer?

testicle

No, that's Europe wide.

Deadwing

Ireland in being more expensive than everywhere else shocker
F*cks sake, i know its only a tenner but its still taking the piss, why single us out?? I was considering getting one at launch but now i may have to rethink it...i know its only a tenner but its the principle dammit!

rabbitinlights

testicle wrote:

No, that's Europe wide.

Not yet..... alot of European country's wont be starting that tax till Feb next year like England.

entropi

flogen wrote:

€65? Back to the old old pricing when the Ps2 was first out!
Well, if I don't import my machine I'll certainly be going online for my games.

Remember though, if you import you more than likely WON'T be using X-box live if they will continue using it on the new system.


Plus, anyone familiar with the £60+ people shelled out for SNES games years ago...?? and thats when people had alot less money .

TweekeewT

Or could it be that the €299 & €399 Europe-wide prices are based on, say, Germany, whose VAT rate is 16%, rather than our own 21%? MS might just not be willing to soak up the total amount of the loss they'd make on the pre-tax value.

monument

Ciaran500 wrote:

I doubt MS would decide to have it more expensive over here. Shops on the other hand might decide to slap an extra €10 on it.

Games Toaster and other Irish sites have been given a press release with €309.99/€409.99, while Eurogamer are reporting €299/€399. I've just emailed MS about this.

Deadwing

monument wrote:

I've just emailed MS about this.

/monument gets rolled up in a carpet and thrown off a bridge by bill gates hired goons

thejovialhost

Deadwing wrote:

/monument gets rolled up in a carpet and thrown off a bridge by bill gates hired goons

LOL shot too just in case..

BloodBath

Who do microsoft think they are charging 409.99 for a games console all it does is play games. I am going to have stick with my ds now and maybe get a revolution.

I think 400 is more than a reasonable price for a machine with the graphics potential of a top spec pc that would cost 2000.

I don't know why people bitch and moan about new console prices when it's always been like this. Your paying for some high spec gear, that the companies are losing money on. And 65e isn't that bad for a game considering the amount of work that goes into games these days, especially all the next gen ones. The console developer, the games publiser, the games makers and the shop selling the game all have to make a profit. It's not like it goes right into their pockets. Tbh I can't beleive games don't cost more these days considering old snes games used to be 50-60 pounds and most of those games were made by a team of 3 or 4 compared to the huge teams that make todays games.

Stop moaning and get over it. You are getting value for your money.

LookingFor

BloodBath wrote:

I think 400 is more than a reasonable price for a machine with the graphics potential of a top spec pc that would cost 2000.

Consoles always initially outpace PCs, X360 isn't unique in that.

BloodBath wrote:

Stop moaning and get over it. You are getting value for your money.

Very very arguable when you consider systems coming out next year and what they're likely to cost - yes PS3 may be a little more expensive (although I don't know vs the premium pack), but you're getting a lot more for your money. That's what value is all about.

Also, for anyone wondering if it's official for sure or not:



The 'Note' dashes my hopes for using a usb key or network storage for games stuff

Vyse

GAME are taking pre-orders at €399 so I don't know what the problem is.

sharper

According to here it'll cost €320/€420 in Finland.

I had been thinking of buying the 360 on launch but the price is really turning me off - I'd really want the version with the HD, wireless controller and wireless network connection. It's ridiculous when you consider that you need to pay €200 above the base price for these things. Plus I get to pay an extra €11 because I live in Ireland? No thanks.

Microsoft have obviously decided to maximise the profitability of the system between now and the PS3 launch.

grimloch

sharper wrote:

According to here it'll cost €320/€420 in Finland.

I had been thinking of buying the 360 on launch but the price is really turning me off - I'd really want the version with the HD, wireless controller and wireless network connection. It's ridiculous when you consider that you need to pay €200 above the base price for these things. Plus I get to pay an extra €11 because I live in Ireland? No thanks.

Microsoft have obviously decided to maximise the profitability of the system between now and the PS3 launch.

The 400 euro isn't annoying me, ffs I payed 380 pounds for the PS2 at its launch. It's this little 10 euro surcharge thats annoying most people I'd say.

RobertFoster

grimloch wrote:

ffs I payed 380 pounds for the PS2 at its launch.

Me too. I certainly wont be an early adopter of any of this generations consoles. I'll be waiting for a price drop of the Xbox 360 around the time of the PS3 launch before I consider getting it tbh.

We're all talking about the prices and what comes with each package - any news on "killer apps" yet?

Kazaanova

grimloch wrote:

Are they taking the urine?

You're taking the urine; asking that. Of course its going to be more expensive here.

Creamy Goodness

i was in the new revovated game today and they have the prices as follows.

360 with hd - 399.99
360 w/o hd - 299.99

grimloch

Kazaanova wrote:

You're taking the urine; asking that. Of course its going to be more expensive here.

I cannot see how the tenner extra can be justified.

Although it appears it was maybe a mistake as GAME are charging 400.

monument

It’s apparently for VAT reasons according to the local Xbox/MS press office, who kindly [not sarcasm] gave a prompt reply to the question... full story

sharper

monument wrote:

It’s apparently for VAT reasons according to the local Xbox/MS press office, who kindly [not sarcasm] gave a prompt reply to the question... full story

I don't really believe that story. Assuming this wikkipedia table is accurate then Portugal has the same rate as us but they're paying less for the Xbox 360. Finland is 1% higher but they're paying more than us.

Of course this is the great thing about the Euro, you can easily compare the prices between countries.

Corben Dallas

Exactly Grimloch its not teh 10 euros, its teh fact that Ireland gets a special price exempt from the rest of Europe. (when Europe was priced as 310 /400)We need the EU office in Ireland to start fining MS for these tricks, Ireland is in Europe, Ireland gets Euro price, end of story.

This is VRT thing over again, Ireland is part of Europe but when it comes to transparent pricing compared to teh rest of Europe, Official Importers and Distributors still treat us as a Euro free zone.
:mad:

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Plus if anyone is getting this DO NOT get the core system, u will have to buy a memory card to save anything/use MS live which will cost 40/50 euros min.

So (320 + 50) 370 for X360 Core or 410 total includes Hard Drive AND wireless controller. the 310/320 deal is just a marketing ploy from MS so it can advertise it as XBox 360 from 310 Euros.

jesus_thats_gre

LookingFor wrote:

Consoles always initially outpace PCs, X360 isn't unique in that.



Very very arguable when you consider systems coming out next year and what they're likely to cost - yes PS3 may be a little more expensive (although I don't know vs the premium pack), but you're getting a lot more for your money. That's what value is all about.

Also, for anyone wondering if it's official for sure or not:



The 'Note' dashes my hopes for using a usb key or network storage for games stuff

209.00 GBP
United Kingdom Pounds =308.663 EUR
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279.00 GBP
United Kingdom Pounds =412.043 EUR
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Now what the **** is the problem? Our price works out the exact same as the UK and they have lower VAT rates...

Anyway, its only a fecking tenner.. Comparing it to VRT and disparities of 5000 in car prices is thick.

CiDeRmAn

Its probably got something to do with what distributor you are getting them through.
One would guess that retailers here will be getting their stock from one particular warehouse while Game, even here, will be sourcing them from the same people as their shops back in the UK, hence the price differential.
Seeing as most Euro countries are on the "mainland", the lower shipping costs may contribute to the slightly lower rrp.
As the goods have to be shipped by sea or air to the UK, this would explain why they are paying the same as us for the new console.

Really though, paying €410 for a new console is pretty good, anyone work out how much it is in '90, '95 and 2000 money so we can see how the cost compares to the Megadrive, PS1, PS2 and Xbox launch prices.

Stoichkov

IGN has a good feature where they compare prices taking in to account inflation and the likes. Its pretty interesting.

The funny point they make is that the 360 and saturn had the same launch price, maybe an omen?!

The saturn would cost almost $500 in todays money while the NeoGeo would cost over a $1000!

So for everyone crying over the price of the next gen, try and remember what the previous gens cost. (crying over the extra 10 on the 360 is allowed though cuz its a joke)

daveirl

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iregk

LookingFor wrote:

Consoles always initially outpace PCs, X360 isn't unique in that.


Very very arguable when you consider systems coming out next year and what they're likely to cost - yes PS3 may be a little more expensive (although I don't know vs the premium pack), but you're getting a lot more for your money. That's what value is all about.

For a start this is the first time a console has ever outpaced a pc. The graphics card in the dreamcast was over a year old in pc circulation by the time the dc came out and that console was ahead of its time.

Also what are you basing your comments about the ps3 on? How are you getting a lot more for your money? Are you getting a Sony Plazma screen thrown in? No...

I really dont know what all the fuss is about. Its the same price as the UK. Its only a tenner, if you let 10 quid bother you after shelling out 400 then you've really nothing better to do with life than to moan.

Look at it on past consoles. N64, €85 a game on release. Saturn €506 on release... It is getting cheaper. If you dont like the price wait until the PS3 comes out and get it for the knock down price? Do you have to have it straight away?

psychooys

i think MS is sorta missing the point... they really arn't the #1 console out there, and asking for this much $$$ is sorta a joke

flogen

So far, from working on the front line (tee hee), no one is bothered with the "Core System". Customers who have come in to preorder the machine have all gone for the full package, when I put the question "which model are you going for" to one customer, they replied "the proper one". Nuff Said.
It also says to me, given that I personally have taken more 360 deposits in 3 days than I have PSP deposits in the entire preorder campaign that people are happy to pay the €399 for the machine, of course this could just be the rush of hardcore xbox gamers and we have yet to see if the average gamer gives a crap.
(seriously, that's no lie. Now, to be fair I haven't taken a whole load of PSP deposits, but still)

evad_lhorg

yea but tbh most people dont bother with handhelds. the majority of psp owners will be kids getti them as presents and stuff from what I 've seen in our shop.

the xbox is different. im actually gona put down a deposit cause I can see the allocation being very small.

steviec

Nobody's pre-ordering PSPs because anyone who wants one already has one. Why pay more so you can wait longer for the European version with more limited firmware?

The X-Box 360 is very reasonably priced though I'd have said. Hasn't the release price of consoles always been roughly 400? And thats pounds not euros. It'll drop fairly quickly I'd say. And the 300 option, as much as I hate the fact that they've made the hard-drive 'optional'(read useless), I can see people going for that version for their kids. It's not being pre-ordered much yet because its not aimed at the hardcore gamers who are pre-ordering at the moment but the parents who probably aren't even aware the X-Box 360 exists yet. And €300 isn't a whole lot more than the 250 or so current gen consoles were selling for last Christmas(I think), the fact it has a wired controller and no memory card just seems gimped next to the other model, but wired controllers and memory cards are what we've been dealing with from new consoles for the last decade without too much difficulty.

Having said that I still don't know if I'll be buying one. It all depends on if I see a game I want, and can't just get for the PC. So far there's not much there.

skywalker

iregk wrote:

I really dont know what all the fuss is about. Its the same price as the UK. Its only a tenner, if you let 10 quid bother you after shelling out 400 then you've really nothing better to do with life than to moan.

Its that attitude that allows us to be constantly ripped off in this country. Its not the tenner, its the principle. When would it bother you? €20, €50, €100?

iregk

Nobody allows you to be ripped off in this country other than you? Dont like the price dont pay it!!! Simple as that. I have no intention of paying 400 for it as thats way to much. I will wait 6 months, get the 2nd or 3rd gen with the bugs fixed and for about 100 or so less.

jesus_thats_gre

I will be getting the 1st gen with all its wonderful bugs and will gladly take advantage of all the exploits


400 euro is a very reasonable price for a new console launch..

BluE-WinG

skywalker wrote:

Its that attitude that allows us to be constantly ripped off in this country. Its not the tenner, its the principle. When would it bother you? €20, €50, €100?

V A T Rate

Our vat rate is higher by on average 5% over our european/uk counterparts. Thereby the tenner is completely justified.

Deadwing

When you consider how powerful the console is, that its basically a high end pc in a small box, with wireless controller, dvd playback, wireless remote, hard disk, for 400 quid isnt bad at all. Think about how much the ps2 went for on its release, with 1 controller and no memory card!

skywalker

BluE-WinG wrote:

V A T Rate

Our vat rate is higher by on average 5% over our european/uk counterparts. Thereby the tenner is completely justified.

I understand. My point was about the Irish "sure its only a tenner mentality".

CiDeRmAn

Actually, regarding the psp, the pre-orders in Gamestop have exceeded to initial stock allocation, so one would reckon there are quite a number of people out there who want one on release, you must realise that we are the exception, we are those who take a keen interest in gaming and are well informed, most are not and rely on the press and tv for their info, that is why Fifa sells so much!

Infini

Anyone remember when the original Xbox came out? They had to lower the price about 2 weeks after launch or so because they had priced themselves out of the market. I certainly am reluctant to buy a new games console on launch but prices like that are IMO enough to put ppl off altogether from buying these things until the games lineup improves and the price of the console becomes more reasonable. Also if MS are going to charge an extra 10 quid more here than in the rest of europe wouldnt they get into trouble with the EU for price rigging like Nintendo did a while back?

BluE-WinG

Infini wrote:

Also if MS are going to charge an extra 10 quid more here than in the rest of europe wouldnt they get into trouble with the EU for price rigging like Nintendo did a while back?

Value Added Tax

No seriously VAT.