The Final Book

trishw78

I can't believe it'll be all over soon I wonder haw it will end will Harry die and Voldemort survive

Although I did hear something along the lines that book would end in the future after everyone that survived what they ended up doing.

Hang on that even confused me let me think about that one...

funky penguin

I don't know aboot Voldemort surviving, but the Potmeister certainly could die. Sniff.

She's very adamant about no more Harry. Probably a good thing, as too much of something yadda yadadmam.

flogen

Didn't she say she was thinking about going back and re-writing some of the first few books as she wasn't happy with parts of them?

What I'd be most interested (as I haven't followed the Potter) series, is her next project. Will she do a Tolkien and just expand on the Potter universe (more schools, worlds, blah blah) or take a totally new path? It's not unusual for a fantasy writer to stick within the one universe for their whole career, but then again she might just go for a totally new genre.

funky penguin

Re-writing? Thats......very odd.

Now that I've had a Ponder Stibbons on it, I think I remember her saying something about adult lit.

qz

I wouldn't be all that surprised if she just quit writing. She's set money-wise and probably achieved more than she originally set out to.

Sleepy

She's said in interviews that she won't be doing any more fantasy books in the same vein as Harry Potter and is considering writing some fiction for adults rather than children...

In a good interview on mugglenet.com recently, she said the only further Harry Potter related book she'd consider writing would be an encyclopedia-type guide to the HP world, and hinted that she'd only consider this as a charity book because she enjoyed doing the two schoolbooks for Comic Relief.

In the same interview, she also promised a prologue detailing what happens to everyone after the 7th book so you'll get to find out if Harry becomes an auror or a professional seeker and if Ron and Hermione get married and have lots of red-haired kids!

funky penguin

Sleepy wrote:

... and if Ron and Hermione get married and have lots of red-haired kids!

:eek:

That means they'll have to have.......sex!

Sleepy

funky penguin wrote:

:eek:

That means they'll have to have.......sex!

Haven't you seen the fan fic out there on the net? :eek:

Some *mental* stuff out there!

Flashling

Ah yes...slash...But about the final book, there are some very weird theories going on out there, Harry's a horcrux, Fawkes is a horcrux, Dumbledore was really James Potter under polyjuice...opinions?

funky penguin

James under polyjuice? Thats the first i heard of that.....but i am 50% sure Harry's a horcrux.

The drama! It'd mean harry must die for the evil lad to!!!!

funky penguin

Or.......Voldemort dies and possesses Harry?

bp

on the whole horoux thing, in the OOTP harry felt like their was a snake rising inside him when he looked at D, I know they explained it as being Lord V etc but he had a monster/ beast this time when it came to Ginny - maybe there is some connection there? only a thought

Sleepy

Flashling wrote:

But about the final book, there are some very weird theories going on out there

You can say that again, however, most are easily debunked

Harry's a horcrux,

He can't possibly be, it's been mentioned that the creation of a horcrux is incredibly complex, can only be performed after killing someone and that Voldemort seemed to save particularly important killings for the process. Ergo: Voldemort was planning to make a horcrux when he killed Harry but the spell rebounded, leaving him no chance to make one.

Fawkes is a horcrux

First time I've heard this one. There's no way anyone could possibly convince me of this one, there's no way Albus Dumbledore wouldn't have noticed an object of immense dark magic in his own study (which also slays the notion of the sorting hat). And again, the only opportunity he would have had to make one would have been during his visit to Dumbledore regarding the DADA teacher position. He never killed anyone during this trip and Dumbledore would certainly have noticed the spell being perfomed right in front of him.

Dumbledore was really James Potter under polyjuice...opinions?

JK Rowling has said time and time again that neither James nor Lily will be coming back from the dead.

Where do people come up with this stuff :rolleyes:

sceptre

Sleepy wrote:

First time I've heard this one. There's no way anyone could possibly convince me of this one, there's no way Albus Dumbledore wouldn't have noticed an object of immense dark magic in his own study (which also slays the notion of the sorting hat). And again, the only opportunity he would have had to make one would have been during his visit to Dumbledore regarding the DADA teacher position. He never killed anyone during this trip and Dumbledore would certainly have noticed the spell being perfomed right in front of him.

I haven't heard the theory bouncing around but I assume if people are proposing that Fawkes is a horcrux (or something similar) that it's something to do with Dumbledore (flying birds at funerals and so on as hints) rather than old red eyes.

Sleepy

Hmmm, I can see why someone might think it but they'd be forgetting that horcruxes are dark magic and involve killing someone...

funky penguin

Sleepy wrote:

He can't possibly be, it's been mentioned that the creation of a horcrux is incredibly complex, can only be performed after killing someone and that Voldemort seemed to save particularly important killings for the process. Ergo: Voldemort was planning to make a horcrux when he killed Harry but the spell rebounded, leaving him no chance to make one.

Maybe Lily was the killing.

supersheep

But why would Voldemort make a Horcrux out of someone he tried to kill about seven seconds later?

funky penguin

Ah! But what if he didn't intend to kill Harry?

*me grasps nearby straws*

supersheep

So he accidentally cast Avada Kedavra on Harry, then?

funky penguin

Or was it the Avada Kedavra curse...? :eek:

supersheep

Well, everyone seems to think it is - Dumbledore, Barty Crouch Jr, everyone... Also, if you look back to one of the books, I think Voldemort asks Harry how he managed to prevent him killing him...

funky penguin

Cover story!

Nobody actually saw him perform the curse.

Man I'm really clutching those straws now.

curliq

all this speculatin' makes good readin! when's the next book due out? all this talk makes me want it NOW!

dudara

She's left an awful lot of stuff to be dealt with in the last book, and I am very curious to see how she will wrap it all up.

LoneGunM@n

I really enjoyed the HBP, but then I've really enjoyed them all!

I think she had to write a book like the HBP [which gave so much back story] & putting it into the penultimate book so the information is fresher in the memory when reading the final book!

bonkey

Sleepy wrote:

In the same interview, she also promised a prologue detailing what happens to everyone after the 7th book so you'll get to find out if Harry becomes an auror or a professional seeker and if Ron and Hermione get married and have lots of red-haired kids!

<pedant>
That would be an epilogue, not a prologue.
</pedant>

I'm trying to figure out how she'll introduce Dumbledore's brother into the last book, and what his role will be....cause I'm almost certain that he'll be there. He's one of the only characters mentioned by name who hasn't yet played a part...so I've a strong suspicion he'll figure into things in the next book.

bp

bonkey wrote:

<pedant>
That would be an epilogue, not a prologue.
</pedant>

I'm trying to figure out how she'll introduce Dumbledore's brother into the last book, and what his role will be....cause I'm almost certain that he'll be there. He's one of the only characters mentioned by name who hasn't yet played a part...so I've a strong suspicion he'll figure into things in the next book.

when did he mention D's brother? i dont remember that one!

bp

funky penguin wrote:

Cover story!

Nobody actually saw him perform the curse.

Man I'm really clutching those straws now.

yeah you are.....but that is all we will have for the next two years so clutch away....i will!

supersheep

Wasn't his name Aberforth? Ohmigod, maybe he's RAB - after all he has an A in his name, and Dumbledore has about seven zillion names. Maybe he only used three... OK, sorry, I'm taking the piss, but still, he could be. It's one way of getting him into the book... As for him being the only named character not in the book, what about Davey Gudgeon?

supersheep

bp wrote:

when did he mention D's brother? i dont remember that one!

Can't exactly remember, but it was something about keeping your head up... Possibly when everyone hated Harry? I don't know... He practiced inappropriate charms on a goat, anyways...

funky penguin

Perhaps he helped Regulus drink the liquid? Come on!

supersheep

Or perhaps Aberforce enchanted the goat to drink it! This is my new theory now!

funky penguin

Lucky I just wrote up that Grasping at Straws Rule.

bp

yes....there is a magical goat somewhere wandering around....maybe its the puca (is that the right term?) in kerry? the king of goats!

bonkey

bp wrote:

when did he mention D's brother? i dont remember that one!

In OOTP, Moody is showing harry a picture of the original order, and naming who's who. Aberforth gets a mention.

jc

Sleepy

Actually bonkey, JKR did mention that there'd be plenty of action from a member of the order we haven't seen much of in the next book so I think you've hit the nail on the head there...

How'm I gonna last 2 years until the next one's out?

sceptre

bonkey wrote:

In OOTP, Moody is showing harry a picture of the original order, and naming who's who. Aberforth gets a mention.

Indeed. Moody said it was the only time he'd met him and that he was a strange bloke. Not that the existing Dumbledore was exactly un-crackers at times.

I suppose using the City Slickers 2: The Legend of Curly's Gold method isn't necessarily an illegal method of bringing in another Dumbledore. I've been wondering if an appearance was on the cards myself. Apart from the notion that he's been running the Hog's Head while fulfilling whatever his goat fetish was (bezoars I'll guess as it's a family forum).

BlitzKrieg

the brother is also mentioned in Goblet of Fire...but only as a joke.

bp

If it was Dum's brother, I'm sure Dum would have known.....maybe he wanted harry to see him drink the liquid for some reason.....like why he made harry watch snape perform the curse....Dum is a strange but brilliant man! i'd say there isnt much he doesnt know about

Flashling

Ooh, going back to the last page, BUT fawkes could be dumbledores horcrux, because we know for sure that Dumbledore killed someone (First book, chocolate frog card, he defeated the dark lord Grindlewald) (Defeated would usually mean kill, because he hasn't come back, plus there was a war, so he must have killed SOMEONE, and he was going on about the powers of a full soul wistfully, some might say? I don't really believe all this but it is possible...)

sceptre

Well, leaving aside the idea of the phoenix being a horcrux just for a moment (mostly because horcruxes have been sold quite negatively so far), there's something of an unusual connection between Dumbledore and Fawkes. The examples are scattered through the books but the one I find significant is the occasion when young Potter tells Dumbledore that he'd said he was his man through and through where Fawkes lets out a cry at the same time Dumbledore lets out a tear.

Of course there's just the possibility that the pet bird is a sensitive type but Rowling is reasonably consistently subtle (almost mechanically subtle unfortunately) in having these little things become significant later in a Monday-morning quarterbacking way. Phoenixes tend to rise from the dead, it's what they're known for. I suppose Rowling could being back Dumbledore as a ghost - it's not as though his work was finished but I suspect she's got other plans. She's also left the door open for a Sirius Black return (or something) through the use of the mysterious veil in the department of mysteries. I just hope it isn't in some sort of end-of-Return of The Jedi-type group fireside wave as that would bore the hell out of me.

BlitzKrieg

i was just rereading the OOTP and the bit where the locket they couldnt open is found They threw it out in the book and there is no mention of what became of it. So i'm guessing Kreacher will have it. thats if it is Regalus Black. (also it could be a painting of regalus that was the unseen person in the portrait in harry's room.)

funky penguin

I thought that was the previous headmaster from Dumbledores room?

BlitzKrieg

meh i cant remember...havnt finished reading it again (havnt read it since it came out) how many times have you read em funky?

funky penguin

About 7 times each.

I'm a fREAk!!!!!!!!! I'm sure there are people who have read them more times than I.

Seriously though, it's research for my childrens book....I'm reading the Lemony Snicket series at the moment. Good stuff.

BlitzKrieg

you write childrens books? cool.

funky penguin

Well I'm trying at least.

Its a blueprint on how to lure children into your candy house......

BlitzKrieg

i'm thinking of making children's films (not something like elmo in grouchland, more like the goonies) but thats a far way off (got to be a grunt for a few years)

funky penguin

the goonies rock!

Jade Chihuahua

I have to agree with Funky Penguin on the whole Harry is a Horcrux front. Dont dismiss it straight away, let me say why first; The prophecy said that Dumbledore would mark the person he would face as his equal, if they both have the same amount of his soul, that could be it. No-one besides Harry has ever received a scar from the Avada Kedavra curse, and I doubt that any other person has been used as a Horcrux before (because that person would eventually die, making them a pretty useless horcrux, unless thay had other objects as horcruxes as well, which no-one else ever has.), so that could be a side effect of it, without anyone knowing. Voldemort originally told Lily that if she stood aside, he would spare her, why? Because he'd already killed James, he had made the one necessary killing, he wasnt out to kill them, he thought he was supposed to make Harry a horcrux. Nobody knows that Voldemort was trying to kill Harry that night, the only survivors who were there are Harry and Lord V. All Harry can remember is a flash of green light, and Voldemort wouldnt reveal to Harry that he was a Horcrux, that would would give away one of his biggest weaknesses. Voldemort was so weakened that night because not because a death curse had rebounded, but because he had split his soul into yet another piece, more than anyone had ever attempted, and it left him barely human. Harry has gained Parseltongue, a natural flare for leadership, a diregard for the rules, he was able to see through Voldemorts eyes for a time, he's gained a loose temper, the sorting hat said he could go very far in Slytherin. Voldemort wanted to use Harry to return him to power in the fourth book, not because of Harry's hatred for him, but because Harry contained the essence of his soul. Harry's wand being the brother of Voldemorts wand points towards them being linked on a very deep level. Harrys constant ability to thwart the minions of Voldemort, because, like Voldemort, he is above them. Voldemort made Harry a horcrux because the prophecy said that one of them would have to die....if Harry is his horcrux, Voldemort can't die whhile Harry lives, so he was ensuring his own survival.
....And I'll probably think of more points later.

Lamia

You make a valid point...I am converted anyways!